Audi's Worst Nightmare 

you and me both lol

I own a peugeot and it’s all time audi nightmare to me

I own a Renault and it is its own nightmare.

My s4 hasn’t let me down once 150k miles still does exactly what it’s meant for

My A3 s-line has never let me down and just gone over 100k miles, still as tight as your mums pumpum 🫢

They won twice in the 205, twice in a 405 bodied version and then switched marques to run an evolution of the same car as a Citroen ZX and pick up 4 more wins. I remember renting the Duke films VHS of the event each year!

Actually, not sure when, but they updated the car and gave it an extended wheelbase. It looked really weird, since they added a bit between the doors and the rear side windows! The 405 which replaced it was a superior car, famously being beaten by the 205 when Ari Vatanen's leading 405 car was stolen overnight one year! Both the 205 and the 405 also competed in the Pikes Peak Hillclimb, with the 405 winning it twice.

@@ondraspendlik9759 That's 1988 iirc. The year they extended the wheelbase by abit for the 205 was in 1988 where it competed together with the 405.

⁠it was the same car just with different bodywork on. Then it has Citroen Xsara bodywork and continued to win. The Audi Quattro although spectacular in its S1 short version guise only lasted for 3 years as it didn’t have the performance to compete with the 205. At least Peugeot build the full quantity of homologation specials and lined them all up for inspection. Unlike Ford that had less than 20 cars all with multiple number plates.

The 205 T16 for Paris-Dakar wasn't exactly the same as the one for rally: the rally version (white livery) was 4WD, the Paris-Dakar/rally-raid version (yellow livery) was RWD, needless to say RWD on a car with such a short wheelbase is a total mess to pilot.

And? Peugeot made cars since 1896. Porsche made cars since 1938 (thank you the nazis...). Lamborghini made cars since 1963. Learn your history uneducated noob...

Peugeot used to make incredible vehicles, if you're a bit younger you'd be used to the trash they sold in recent years but in the past they were bulletproof, ultra reliable vehicles

@@bzilla-d4i Yeah my friend's granddad refuses to buy anything but Peugeot. Even though his 2000's Peugeot cars keep having issues at a more regular pace than is acceptable. For gods sakes my 2002 BMW 3 series has been more reliable for 6 years. Only ever suffering one 100€ coolant leak, and having braking lines corrode so they had to be replaced for 400€. That's all non-oil change maintenance a 20 year old BMW took for 6 years of me going near 200km/h on the highway regularly, and constantly having the car sideways and redlining during winters. I have given the poor thing hell, and it refuses to die or break.

Yeah and I daily drive a 205 xs only had a rubber hose from the heater matrix gone bad, other than that 0 problems. Bmw is shitee​@samisuhonen9815

Omg reply

205 was the most succesful....... ,but it wasn't the fastest........

​@@jansedlak8505Then how did it win so much?

@@sandromartins20 It was faster than Audi, but it wasn't faster than Lancia Delta S4. Lancia would probably win both manufacturer's and driver's Titles in 1986 if not that crash in Corsica. Interesting fact: Peugeot used special wind tunnels under the car that kept the car planted to the ground, that were banned after Henri Toivonen's crash, but Peugeot still used it. They weren't able to create new floor beacuse homologation of new parts wasn't allowed anymore. They were banned from participating in Rally San Marino(I think that's the one). Peugeot won the manufacturer's title, but driver's title was still unfinished. In the last rally of the season, Lancia's Marku Allen and Peugeot's Juha Kankkunen were fighting for the title and Marku Allen managed to get more points that Juha and won the Title, but some days later, it was decides that banning Peugeot from Rally San Marino was illegal, so they cancelled points from that rally. Eventually Juha Kankkunen won the title.

yes, the numbers are what they are. but im sure audi and lancia arent that much aggrieved they didnt scoop up the wins. they were in contenion and they blazed through group b with so much panache that they certainly built a reputation as the crem de la crem of racing competitors and car manufacturers.

May be your uncle André De Cortanze, Jean Claude Vaucard or even Jean Pierre Boudy?

@@carlosmagnus717 Bernard Bouhier from Bouhier engineering

@@ltcars27 thats so cool!

Sure he was😂

@@whcwcjecjecuecuw6654 Yeah, he sure was!

Fins are THE BEST rally racers to me

That's because the Marlboro Peugeot team only won Le Mans just once in their five year tenure.

What's worse, the Peugeots weren't looking like they were going to win the 1986 San Remo rally in the first place. The steward's "intervention" was unnecessary as Lancia would have almost certainly won the rally anyway.

Before the Sanremo Rally Peugeot was already the Constructors' champion in that year 86, specifically in the 1000 Lakes rally, after Salonen overtook Alén, pushing him to roll over and winning the rally, Alén being 3rd behind Kankkunen. The same thing happened in the British RAC rally but without overturn. Some here believe that Lancia was going to win the Sanremo easily without the disqualification of the Peugeot team. It is not at all clear. In 3rd Leg Biasion was 11 seconds ahead of Kankkunen with a gravel stage ahead, where the roads were cleared favoring those behind, with Biasion starting first. The last leg was on the asphalt of the 1st leg where the Peugeots were better. Peugeot's disqualification was once again due to a trick by Mr. Fiorio that demonstrated the fear he had of losing at home since they had already lost the Brands Championship in Finland. The Peugeot did have illegal lateral flaps, they were in the pre-rally checks, never in the middle of the test when they were disqualified (typical Italian plot). That was the reason that Markku Alén wasn't World Champion, something that Fiorio didn't care about at all. Regarding the Pike's Peak of '87, Vatanen would have easily won it if it had not been for the breakage of an intake flange 3 kilometers from the finish line at more than 4,000 meters above sea level where his engine lost 70% of its power, and only lost by 7 seconds. Already in training it was seen that the Peugeot was doing much better times.

Proobably one of the best WRC ever built

Truth is Audi was only ever succesful because FIA changed regulations like if for Audi. Everybody knew in rallying it was illegal to have 4-wheel drive or turbocharge. Then Audi developed the car and FIA let it in. Once other manufacturers caught up with rules change, they destroyed the Audi.

@@piotrmalewski8178 Audi bent the rules as Lancia with the 037 did

@@altergreenhorn Imho, ban of 4WD and turbocharge, and then suddenly having it homologated by FIA was bigger.

​@@piotrmalewski8178 audi knew from the get go that it wasn't perfect. But they were champions for 3 years and two pikes peaks with what they had. Their group S project was interesting..... Without Audi group B wouldn't be what it would turn out to be. Its racing succes and its sound(best sounding rally car ever) is why its the poster boy of Group B even if its not the "best" outright. Hope you can sleep at night.......

@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo I'm not saying they couldn't do it, I'm saying they were in favorable position.

Agreed

She is so underrated, almost unknown outside France and Europe

@@skippylegrandgourou2069 she's so cool. I know she didn't win any world championship titles, but she was a bloody fast driver. Unsafe at any speed is one of my favourite documentaries on group b, the helicopter footage of a 205 doing piles peak and another in Corsica have the car flying along the side of the mountain/s it's absolutely breathtaking, I had a few 205s they were fun!

@@faeskruff1772 AFAIK she didint won 1982 season not becuase of her driving, but her AUDI was always broke - she doesnt even end lot of events (4 out of 12, in Kenya she didnt even attended)...... She was genius driver

Delta S4 was more insane

@@posniknelb6114 They were all absolutely insane to be honest. Delta S4 was truly the pinnacle but it was also the last of all the Group B cars. The stuff from Group S was going to be even crazier.

@@posniknelb6114 it’s definitely cool too but still like the t16 more

Delta S4 was the better machine. Won the last two rallies of 85 which were the last it entered. And then of course 86 happened.

Understood, so it isn't a Peugeot 205, it is a racing car with 205 body panels arranged around it

Good decision because you can buy them and use them.... When they're all tubular frame with the engine where people need to sit and nowhere to put shopping and stuff and therefore not at all like the car you will get if you go and buy one....? What does that rally car tell you about the car you go and buy? Not a lot I reckon. Also car means carriage... A carry, transport vehicle. These things are not cars they are racing buggies. If all manufacturers do this then of course all the 'cars' will end up the same almost and end up like F1.... An utter load of bullshit irrelevant to the manufacturer.... You'd have to be nuts to think after say Mercedes win the F1 then as a result people go out and buy Mercedes cars.... Madness; there isn't a single nut ir bolt on the F1 racing buggy that will appear in your car that you buy. You have the same shared components between the Mercedes car and Mercedes F1 as you do between the Mercedes car and the Renault F1.... Zero

Audi wisely stopped and put their winning car components into the cars they then went on to successfully sell for years. They stopped and capitalised while they were ahead therefore remained ahead in everyone's minds for decades after.... The most famous rally car, that you can buy (of course in a more useful comfy, fuel efficient form)

LOVED the 505,still beautiful in my eyes :)

@@HenrySimple Never seen a 505 in real life. From my childhood, it's Renault 5, Golf GTI, and Peugeot 205 mostly. Oh, almost forgot, my old man used to have a Jeep. Maybe it was too expensive? After that we got the amazing 406 coupé. The 500 series seems to be discontinued. Nevermind, there is a 508... 😆

Definitely should of put the Oxia into Production and the 308 R hybrid

Mouton only competed in 2 events for Peugeot in WRC Group B, and she unfortunately didn't get on the podium. Don't worry though, when I cover Audi, where she really did piss of Rohrl, I'll be sure to tell the story!

@@automobilistic didn't know I thought she had more wins I'd love for you to do a video about Michèle and Walters rivalry and she rly did piss him off man 👌

And JMB's weapon of choice.

After Toivonen's crash Lancia still competed and lost against Peugeot, so 205 T16 is far from being Lancia's punching bag.

@@arekb5951 But Peugeot bagged a lot of points with Saby’s victory at 86 Corsica, where Lancia’s were firmly in the lead but withdrew from event due to tragedy. Also when you compare events where Lancia didn’t suffer technical issues it was a faster car than Peugeot.

@@drazenbudis7881 but reliability, ease of driving and crew safety are a huge part of what makes rally cars "good", not only sheer speed. And the term "punching bag" would at least suggest that when Lancia didn't break or crash they would win with a huge margin, which was not the case because the difference in speed of both cars boiled down to a couple of seconds over the whole rally, sometimes in favour of Lancia, sometimes in favour of Peugeot, hence why I believe such term describing 205 T16 is strongly exaggerated. Punching bags don't punch back, 205 T16 did.

People often forget one big thing. Peugeot won two driver and manufacturer titles with there number 2 drivers. We hear about how fast Lancia was and Toivonen, but what about the fact the Peugeot virtually won without Vatanen who was clearly the best driver Peugeot ever hired in those days. Enough said really. Peugeot is and always will be, the greatest and fastest group b rally car.

Peugeot did win the 86 Tour de Corse Bruno Saby was driving. Jean Ragnotti won in 85

@@DZeus83 You are correct, I got '85 and '86 confused. Cheers

I'm amazed. My codriver wife and I campaigned❤ an open class car 4 years in SCCA Pro Rally (in the USA) and I can't imagine driving without a hand brake.

I don't know how that heart got in there. Not part of my intended reply.