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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Brockwood Park 1975 - 6: Perceiving without the perceiver
Series: Truth, actuality, and the limits of thought
Summary:
Can thought naturally cease?
Perceiving without the perceiver
Facing the truth of death
Krishnamurti’s ‘process’ and early years.
Kundalini
If you can understand suffering, face it and not escape from it, that has quite a different energy.
Truth is a pathless land.
There is something really tremendously mysterious.
Knowledge is becoming the curse.
When the mind, with all the confusion, is nothing, not a thing, then perhaps there is the other.
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@adilneves6527 3 года назад

this recording is the most impactful of all his teaching and recording, this stuff here is next level. Get the book " Years of awakening by lutyens" Read the back story, come back and listen to this again. Imagine how important this talk is and what significant role DB played in this part. K said " HE NEVER TALKED ABOUT THIS" he even had to take a break because he was getting tense... A man who talked for over 60 Years!!! And here you have two extremes, coming together. A person who is able to ask the right enough questions to get to this. This is just as amazing as a the chances are that you are reading this comment in good health...

@DemoniacLL 3 года назад

I strongly believe K. was trying to plant seeds in Dr. David Bohm's consciousness, what he always did in public talks and private dialogues like these with others. This is why he says, that from now on, only he and Dr. Bohm can/should talk. K. was doing this out of compassion. All of this is out of compassion. All of this. Because the real story about that "boy" is meaningless. But by shattering most of its illusions, what K. thought it could happen by itself in that book "years of awakening", he shows, in reality, with actual facts, that the 'path to discover America by Colombus doesn't need to be re-followed for you to find America ' (very loosely transcribed, meaning, the content is important not the form), you just realize "there is America, now you can go there, find your own way." I sensed a lot of fear in Dr. Bohm's talk, specially about suffering. It is a little sad to realize that after K. died, some years after, maybe 4 or 5, Dr. Bohm would face a lot of suffering, due to his depression, and that was the beginning of his end. Amazing human being, so intelligent and insightful, he did wonders for the work of K. I am speaking for myself, Dr. Bohm helped me to dissolve many fantasies about K's teachings, things that I had created, he just planted the right questions and one can find the truth in the false. But this is very serious business and in a way, due to my conditioning, very hard, but interesting and in many ways, pardon me the poetic contradiction, suffering can have a beautiful perfume.

@julianwahlers5655 2 года назад

I do not agree, but I understand where you are coming from with your statement.

@psychologicalsuccess3476 2 года назад

@@s.muller8688 People realise and drop off and realise and drop off and realise and drop off, this world makes it easy to forget what we are and be confused again, no matter the intensity of it there must still be some continuity in our realisation, it's why discipline is for those who have realised not the foolish seeker

@jimmybolton8473 2 года назад

Thanks

@E______ 2 года назад

@@DemoniacLL beautifully worded.

@SHINJUKAN_SPIRAL Год назад

I never heard Krishnamurti laugh so much going into stuff really appreciate David bohms questions. So much love and gratitude

@renukatandon7463 7 месяцев назад

The depths of the content of this video is food for my thoughts. just great. SINCE there is variety of people, many will certainly benefit . CARRY ON UPLOADING SUCH WISDOM.THANKS OFFICIAL CHANNEL

@deepthivedantam8064 2 года назад

Brilliant!!! Thank you for sharing.

@nobodyreally 3 года назад

Planting seeds of truth the be watered by self questioning. 🙂🌻

@princekhan6026 Год назад

DB, Such a perfect candidate to sit and discuss the most related and meaningful topic, I mean Truth is in action all the time in field of reality. Hope we see it for ourselves

@poetonsong7412 2 года назад

really happy for this!

@noone00000 Год назад

Sad it went so long but I sort of love David and glad to see it all to gain a better idea of what I already know or not know bless you both xxx

@ranjitdas835 3 года назад

JK tried his best with his sharp intelligence to explain the 'unexplainable' , just out of his love and compassion , such that his body trembled at one point of time. I am not sure if any other enlightened Master attempted to do so.

@codelicious6590 2 года назад

feel like what truly sets K apart from other teachers or beings who to different degrees of success and different degrees of authenticity, attempt to lead others to Truth is that he seems to have always gone to extremes to avoid actually admitting that he himself was enlightened and that real Truth {thereby the falseness of all else} was clear to him. I believe he thought more beings would be able to find their Own way to that Truth without getting locked or yolked into any system or procedure. This way of his, that is Krishnamurti I think in itself shows and proves the very actuality of his enlightenment and therefor we should all follow his guidance and resist structured procedural ways to find our own way to unity and Truth. Just a thought. I love you thank you.

@RamSamudrala Год назад

@@codelicious6590 At one point, it's exactly unclear what he's talking about, but something special, he says Mozart, Beethoven, Einstein... perhaps you (in another video). Bohm quickly moves on but he was saying Bohm was there or was capable in a sense more easily than others.

@hun7008 Год назад

@@codelicious6590 Do not give him authority but I understand what you mean of "follow" his guidance. Thank you for your comment, I agree especially because he was talking to people for more than 50 years just to help, maybe to only one people make him understand and see the truth, the truth he was living in.

@Viral_Catalyst Год назад

Mr. B is by far the best person to discuss with him but it's kind of ironic no matter how deep K takes him, his first tendency is to state the steps and kind of make a method. Like towards the end K drops a nuke of opening the door and B just explains the steps away. Order in reality, silence, negate the silence. 3 steps. it's not logic , it's just out there. But to feel it, taste it. Is beyond most. Immediately next is how to taste it, how to feel it etc etc and eventually a cyclic dependency creating more suffering, more torment. NOt trying to over simplify but eventually it comes down to eating the pizza and knowing how it tastes like and describing it's taste in most sophisticated terms. I disagree on many views of K. If there is a mystery thn mystics may have more natural ability to taste it. One can't block it and generalize it.

@Sunshine-ny1qx 4 года назад

Thanks for sharing JK teachings ,the word Mystery maybe culturally condition, JK process is a natural process in human evolution ........... that we too are going through ......... we may consider that our subtle perceptive organism that screen reality includes our electromagnetic field or the so call being etc....... of course when the heavy matter of the collective memories , emotions etc....conditioning have dissolved this subtle infinite electromagnetic being or intelligent organism is the one that penetrates actual everyday or cosmic information field shifting its perception of things , or seen with pure clarity moment to moment .............. thanksssssss ☀️🌈🙏

@lokeshparihar7672 Год назад

6:30 Mistake out of two kinds of ignorance one is due to normal lack of information but another due to confusion in thought caused due to lack of awareness. 24:20 distinction between truth of nature of thought that it is fragmnetry &therefore false(truth in the false) And the truth. Thought is consciously aware of incorrectness of it's mode of operation. 38:50 disappear into the world 49:18 kundalini , it is not necessary for transformation you talk about 58:30 energy comes about through right attitude toward suffering which is its perception , non-perception is sorrow then. 1:06:45 reality ,actuality and truth 1:09:10 truth has no direct connection with reality but through actuality 1:20:23 truth takes direct action in actuality 1:25:37 on awareness 1:29:34 kundalini and truth , nobody need to go through all this business 1:34:20 Mystery

@guitarcrax127 2 года назад

This is such an intimate conversation, K admitting that one of Besant’s suffering was that this boy who was groomed to be the “one” of the theosophical society was at 33 still not interested in anything. Such a powerful fact he admitted and puts even more into context that truth is out of time.

@mss4056 Год назад

One of the few who speaks the absolute truth in a fake 2nd hand world ♥️💯

@julsius 8 месяцев назад

*two* of the few who *spoke* truth

@SudhirDudeja 3 года назад

I never thought he talk about all this. @31:00 reminder for self

@codelicious6590 2 года назад

I KNOW right/! I save this vid it is very special to me. Then I listened to the next six or so and they are very full of treasure as well! This series of talks almost feels to me like a very intimate journey is being taken by K and B and anyone listening is invited to join! Love

@OfCourseICan 2 года назад

I'm only 15 min, in, and I am not sure if I can endure the whole 2 plus hours. However what I have got from K's previous talks: is ; we can go into NO MIND; a most blissful feeling can be experienced. Something I am going to work on on extending.

@bubblebobo-zs2hd Год назад

Thanks

@ishaartworks Год назад

Is Living with integrity means living life of truth 22:30 note to self

@TheBbz2010 6 месяцев назад

Dear World, Up to that "certain" level of silence,by Mind observation is really possible.

@user-qu1jz8wl7z Год назад

When thoght tries to capture the unlimited ( potential) it becomes limited.

@codelicious6590 2 года назад

The Truth is at odds with this world and it causes more confusion. The battle between illusion and Truth is the battle between comfort-seeking self-interest and empathetic compassion.

@pietro13 2 года назад

They start with the premise that Reality is not ( necessarily) Truth. Mind is thoughts, and if the field of reality is sourced in thoughts, then Truth must lie beyond 'reality' engineered by thoughts and beyond Time ( postulate 2). So it would follow that trying to look at Truth is like shining the torch of thoughts upon an object and trying to see what it looks like in the dark.

@Zara-um1nx 3 года назад

Love from penda

@lanamisiuc8031 2 года назад

Only the one who’s seen the Truth can understand what K. describe,because really you cannot describe it..It is immense and the words are not enough …but if one tries 🌸it’s all the beauty of Compassion Love Peace Harmony Security Tenderness Warmth Happiness Joy Light …but still the words are little so anyone can describe It

@sachinskanth9280 2 года назад

Please add subtitles.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

@user-qs8cn5gz3c 2 месяца назад

At last we are getting it ya ya we are getting it😂😂🤣

@jimmybolton8473 2 года назад

I understand now why a good man says nothing.

@julsius 8 месяцев назад

a good man doesnt say nothing imo, a good man says something when theres something needing/worth/good-for to be said. Bohm even pushed back against saying/doing nothing with respect to when they were talking about dictators, because Bohm was a good man. and if they both said nothing, this talk wouldnt have been good. all thats required for evil to occur is for good men to do nothing and communication (saying things) is a good method for communicating/dialogue/teaching.

@Sunshine-ny1qx 4 года назад

Thanks for sharing JK teachings ☀️🙏 JK asked What is the point ? Maybe simplifying the understanding of this nature natural evolutionary process..... Expanding JK ,action = pure perception etc......expanding the filter of the perceptive organism has many layers one of them is our electromagnetic field , the mystery interpretation maybe was base in JK own cultural conditioning ? Human being ....... Galactic Evolution etc....not understood can be seen as a mystery, , cosmic DNA is not a mystery is actual etc............

@silfawai1535 Год назад

'Truth has no story'

@SjoerdMentens 2 года назад

Ttuth in the sctual could be a combinaition of knowledge coming from the observation by the senses and the spiritual.

@silfawai1535 Год назад

Presence is' being' truth'in being presence..in total moment.. in the now..

@mick6812 8 месяцев назад

And words are not action

@sylviagung1007 3 года назад

"Truth is pathless land that no organization nor a guru can help," K says. This is a statement no one can argue over, since spirituality is one to one personal business with Truth. I am sure all know this fact. If the word "individuality" is to work, this area is only truthful for the person is to be individual. No authority is allowed ... even banned! Even K nor his teachings have been able to convert anyone, so far I have seen .... So ... I am left alone ... I must find out my own "way" ... around or straight ... for the workable silence, to "magnify my intention" without being trapped in the realm of the language that makes reality more and more complex and depletes energy to deal with ... the impact

@vineethsfly 3 года назад

Your words includes time and desire to become

@E______ 2 года назад

Isn't it invigorating in a sense.

@Enavor Год назад

@@vineethsfly and you're answer creates the same effect as the question.

@krox477 9 месяцев назад

He said truth is pathless land because at that time there were lot of people offering enlightenment . Today you can learn from everyone and there was very less freedom

@nameless-face Год назад

30:50 Bohm talking about K's book was great lol 😋

@sadiemoeit3809 3 года назад

💌

@tohar3732 2 года назад

There are no words to describe what is happening here

@richashrivastava3762 2 года назад

absolutely

@orlando8869 2 года назад

Este es el único video de la serie que no está subtitulado en inglés. ¿Podrían subtitularlo para poder completar la serie?. Gracias

@TheMonacarol Год назад

❤️❤️

@robertopuccianti8498 Год назад

🧡🌻

@leilamobasserii Год назад

❤️

@kgaborachabedi8690 Месяц назад

❤😊

@davidegramuglia5344 3 года назад

Is there a transcript? I dont undestand much of the words and i want to enquire more about the discussion thank you

@KFoundation 3 года назад

Please contact our archivist at archives@kfoundation.org mentioning this audio, they might be able to provide you with a transcript.

@davidegramuglia5344 3 года назад

@@KFoundation yes thanks

@ernestorodriguez7397 10 месяцев назад

Can someone please tell me the name of the book that K and Bohm are speaking about? I would like to purchase. Thank You.

@Deso958 2 года назад

and this is how the mind confuses itself in analysis.

@mick6812 3 месяца назад

It’s not analysis it is pure perception.

@bharathbhushan916 3 года назад

1:59:15 mystery

@cheri238 3 месяца назад

🙏❤️🌎🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵

@bayramtounsi2982 2 года назад

this is frightening to listen to.

@kevziro 2 года назад

How?

@nickidaisydandelion4044 5 месяцев назад

Why?

@sachinpawar4853 Год назад

Fancy idea truth speaking with truth

@mowsie2k492 Год назад

part 6 1:35:00

@williamcallahan5218 6 месяцев назад

Krishnamurti to David Bohm: "Would you accept the word 'mystery'? DB: "Well yes, I should say so." JK: "There is something which you cannot talk about. Which doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Truth is that. Every religion has talked about that mystery. Judaism said it is the nameless, Hindu's have called it Brahman, Christians haven't gone very deeply into that matter called it God. But there is something tremendously mysterious. And we are trying to articulate it in terms, words."

@KINGJUNAID555 Год назад

1:42:02 ● 1:57:21 ●

@Rohit-oz1or 2 года назад

Bohm is suspicious that K's training under established masters led him to become enlightened especially the Kundalini part. K acknowledges it but inexplicably brushes aside as unimportant. However, to me, those experiences seem to be an integral part of what K is. Bohm's doubt regarding capability of a common person to become enlightened is not unfounded. Frustratingly, K doesn't have any recollection of what all he underwent - could it be repression due to being too traumatic or inconvenient? So is there a gap in the process that K explains in his discussions? Could the processes in that gap be essential for any seeker who is starting from scratch. These are few unanswered questions

@codelicious6590 2 года назад

I believe K intentionally leaves things out in order to avoid giving anyone any type of "roadmap" or a plan or procedure anyone could follow, for in the following of a procedure one is chasing a desire which is just more of the same. Just a thought, I love you.

@spider161 Год назад

Everyone's process would be different. The light of awareness tends to burn away the thought process that lead up to it. It's possible K forgot a lot of details, and what he does now is just trying to explain what he see's, not why he see's as he does.

@gabrielr8642 Год назад

@@spider161 True. What K or some others went through is quite irrelevant. It may not happen the same way for you. Although it is suffering but everyone goes through it in their own personal way. Just like suffering, Awareness is also common for us human beings and the core of K's teachings is about choiceless awareness. This is very difficult for most of us because there many things we are not consciously aware of about ourselves and we need to have a great sense of honesty to see who we actually are in the field of reality of thought - This can be soo hard & painful at times lol. In my opinion I feel understanding ourselves (at least doing it to your best ability) is much more important than all these "otherworldly" stuff.