That cash is being used to subsidise local students... They would have built those hostels by now if they had the cash. It's a no brainer decision for any university to invest extra cash into the housing market.
@@ianvandermey9815 it used to be that they’re subsidized by the government. But with austerity policies in place, universities need to look for alternatives to keep up their costs, and thus where international students come in.
@@blazingfire_0712 they spend way too much on non core spending like teaching or research. Very large salaries to administrators and shiny campuses that look like a multi billionaire was trying to go broke. Meanwhile destroying their reputations by making up sham courses to tailor to students who just want a work visa.
Why isn’t there a rule that all these universities are bound to provide housing to these students. May seem draconian but it would automatically limit the number of students they can host and the international student atm would slow down.
@@Sam-d8o6q also students should be encouraged or even required to live only on student units or shared units(even the rich ones) within a specific area, that will help them to mobilize easier to their uni, distress the transit for other people and also maybe control the rent prices for them on that area. But I'm guessing housing is more about that real estate investment funds that are also over buying properties only for investment reasons
@@chavaraujo in the UK they're building lots of PBSA in the centres in big tower so students stay and live in the centre and the suburbs stay local/family friendly also brings in money for city
They actually are . Most of the courses taught in universities can be learnt for free or at very low cost online these days. Students no longer come to universities to learn and research, have got anything useful to humanity in that last decade out of Australian universities ? There are only two categories of students now :- 1)Rich families in some non english speaking countries consider it as a prestige to say their children did degree in Australia. They could do US too but standards of admission in top US universities are still pretty high and quite hard to get into. For Australian universities you just need money. These kids don't necessarily stay here after education, they may buy up properties though since they don't want to go through struddle of rental application etc 2)Children from Middle class families in developing nations. The number of job opportunities are very less there and young generation don't have much emotional freedom there too. Families sell all their assets and take loans to send children to countries like AUstralia . The kids come here and do all kind of job and stay in shared houses where 20+ people stay in a room. They do everything to make it work and never return to their home country . Also money from them flow back to home country to pay off the loans . The second category is in higher percentage and very much count as immigration
@@rjclue2630yeah, but you have these things called visas. Enforce your student visas. But they don’t and just hand out citizenship like candy it seems.
If international students brought in 32bln/year in Australia, how much of income did Australia govt spend to invest in housing for its local people (citizens) who needs housing? Are we stating that 32bln/year is NOT enough to build affordable housing for native Australians?
As an Australian limiting International students is ridiculous. Australia has so many projects that require Highly skilled individuals and Aussies aren't able to fill those gaps. It's a key Export and if that drops what will take it's place economically?
What about reducing the numbers of students and rubbishy courses which the research show are abundant. Charge a premium on more limited and desired spots, simples.
@@johns1600 Not simples... higher cost to students means less students taking up higher education. You'll end up like the UK.... with a huge wealth gap and most people in low skilled labour market.
@@gbrown9694 just because someone didn’t go to university that doesn’t mean they are low skilled, in fact I would say that the opposite is true in many cases. Raygun has a PHD 🤭
@@gbrown9694 the uk already has a low wage economy and high student fees to citizens, maybe you need to review that, because more foreign students doesn't equate to higher university access to locals. This presentation is on foreign students didn't you see? Chop the foreign students and improve access to nationals. Ireland, France, Germany and many more European nations have low price university places for their citizens and surprisingly they have high tertiary university uptake my locals, probably a priority no? Actually Ireland has low fee to free university and the highest uptake of uni places by young ppl in Europe. Oh and it's a high wage economy with budget surpluses. Please don't sell misinformation as a reason why great limits on too many foreign students can't and shouldn't be limited, cheers
@@johns1600 you don’t get it do you? Too far up your own a*rse to read between the lines. Foreign students are a huge revenue source for universities. Here in the UK foreign students pay 2-3 times more than British students and are a huge source of revenue.
About 70% of these international students end up doing odd jobs even after finishing the uni degree. Education is just a bussiness & every bussiness has it own cycle. These unis needs to understand that.
if universities want to keep students they should build student accommodation!!!! Universities rely on foreign students to keep their ranking? what a ludicrous logic! universities in china and japan have fewer foreign students but they rank higher than australian unis because of their QUALITY education, not because of funding!
@@worldmedia1476 international students live mostly in CBD which does not have impact on housing shortage. Government can't touch property developers hence they blame it on international students.
Australia is a lucky country and has attracted foreign students paying international school fees despite not having the top 3 universities in world ranking. Many foreign students who could not get into universities with stringent requirements are turning to Australia, limiting them into Australia will not only hurt Australia universities but all businesses down to retail, F&B etc. Such policy is myopic and will hurt Australian cities, especially when many world class sporting events and concerts are paid by States budgets, now you are choosing to kill your golden goose that laid golden eggs.
It doesnt seem to matter to these people. They see people who look different and just immediately despise them. They will shoot themselves in the foot out of primitive instincts
No students in their right mind will remain in Australia if there are no good paying jobs and ongoing policies are discriminatory towards foreigners. There are more successful economies which will be a magnet for talents and skills to congregate.
@@danlin8310 golden goose are you sure? Everyone came here to get PR and citizenship and to send billions overseas. Australia is making 0 dollars out of this ponzi scheme
There's nothing more pathetic than natives and the government blaming international students for a problem they created. The sentiment that "visa's are being handed out easily" "Housing shortages are being driven up by international students" "Indian students are coming to study for PR" are maladjusted and a way to not call to question the real problem. In general, The fact that international students are coming to your country is nothing but a good thing. If they didnt, You'd have exactly the same issues just you'd be bickering about it for another reason. The issue is poor mishandling by the government. There is a way to solve everything, They just dont have the incentive to. Its a hard economy right now, Not just for you but for everyone- Including international students. Just international students are paying more and working harder because they have more at stake. In turn, natives will have to work hard too. But the only one who's getting richer from both of these is your own economy.
@@hyounie1457 good take on the issue. But everything has a limit, or at least a secure rate of operation. Last year they took a bite they could now chew. Of course it is the only reason why everything is so messy, but definitely contributes to the outcome.
@@everythingisfine9988 Across NSW, there was an average of 11.1 applicants per vacancy of whom an average of only 0.4 applicants were considered suitable by employers. In metropolitan regions, there was an average of 11.9 applicants per vacancy and 2 per cent were considered suitable by employers while in regional areas, there was an average of 10.1 applicants per vacancy and 5 per cent were considered suitable for the job. The Civil Engineering profession is, out of all the engineering fields, hardest hit by vacancies as it attracted fewer qualifying applicants than the positions which are available. The Australian Department for Small Business and Jobs’ findings are that this occupation is now in shortage for the first time since 2012. And hence we arrive at why they want immigrants and international students. Fact is, Its the uni's exploiting them. People blame the students and immigrants but if anything they're the ones being exploited the most.
@@everythingisfine9988 Across NSW, there was an average of 11.1 applicants per vacancy of whom an average of only 0.4 applicants were considered suitable by employers. In metropolitan regions, there was an average of 11.9 applicants per vacancy and 2 per cent were considered suitable by employers while in regional areas, there was an average of 10.1 applicants per vacancy and 5 per cent were considered suitable for the job. The Civil Engineering profession is, out of all the engineering fields, hardest hit by vacancies as it attracted fewer qualifying applicants than the positions which are available. The Australian Department for Small Business and Jobs’ findings are that this occupation is now in shortage for the first time since 2012. Who do you suppose will plan the building of your houses if you have no civil engineers? and hence we arrive at the reason why they want immigrants and international students, If anything students and immigrants get exploited the most with the extra charges. And now they're gonna get fucked over more.
@@hyounie1457 you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. Indian students are being used and abused by loan companies in their country and are being used as cash cows by Australian universities. They arrive here thinking that they'll be able to study and live, and are then forced into finding places to live with sky high rents when they only are allowed to work 20 hour weeks. They then take cash-paying jobs under the radar to supplement their income, propping up business owners who are skirting the law and taking away jobs from native individuals. Universities prioritise international students because they make lots of money but don't give them any level of support while they're here. Then, when those students have managed to land a job (if they do) they try to stay and then bring their families here. The whole thing is a complete shitshow and needs a huge overhaul. No one is blaming the students themselves.
I am a migrant myself. Done the right way, International students help to boost GDP and subsidize education for locals. But I have observed the rot in the system. Some students come primarily to work, not to study, and change course often to extend their stay. I think the problem can be solved: 1) Cheap tertiary education should not be allowed to accept international students, or at least accept very limited numbers. 2) Limit number of times course can be changed and student visa can be extended. 3) State authorities must inspect institutes yearly for them to remain eligible for inviting international students. 4) Institutions whose international student composition is higher than 20%, must be mandated to build hostels. 5) International students who are eligible for permanent residency must be considered in the overall immigration intake planning so that High Skill migration and student transitioning to permanent residency are taken together in the yearly quota. Increasing cost of courses is not the solution. That will discourage international students all together.
Time the Australian government start funding the Universities and start focusing on educating its own citizens for the future. Not worrying about foreign students just because they pay more. They are a burden to the housing market and public services, and it will only become worse. The more reliant Australia becomes on foreign students the lower the quality of student and Universities will inevitably be the outcome.
@alanccvoo Extra money can be gained from royalties from Australian resources sold. But what did Australian politicians do? Give it away for free. Now I dunno about you but I think Norway and Qatar are having a big laugh about it and the punters in Alaska, U.S think we're dumb. As they have access to their oil royalties but Aussies have none.
The international students are basically funding the local kids their opportunity to university. Most advance countries fund their universities their mining, we don’t
Blaming International students for a problem successive governments created but defunding universities and encouraging them to semi-privatise by taking in International students? And blaming International students for contributing to a housing affordability crisis created by a governments’ failure to build enough houses?
@@manonamission2000which problem? Scapegoating International students-and migrants generally-for government failures? What about skilled migrants, who are also apparently contributing to the housing crisis, skilled migrants we need, eg Census data shows over 40% of Registered Nurses and Aged and Disabled Carers were born overseas, with almost 40,000 arriving since 2016-and there is predicted to be a nurse shortfall 85,000 by 2025. The problem with countries like Australia is that it’s politically easier to identify false cause which means you come up with false solutions to problems.
@C.J.M. don't need to build houses all over the country. That's not a Australian thing.not even china do that , western part of the country is way less populated. India , Bangladesh,... Do that btw
@unknown2723 There's an actual housing supply problem, though, back then (before 2019) it wasn't as bad. Construction agencies have slowed down significantly for some reason.
There is a huge misconception regarding foreign students. When a government wants to limit them, they are not targeting top or even average student that are enrolled in a good program. They are targeting those that use it as an opportunity to work and settle in the country.
All western countries need to prioritize their citizens education first. It’s great foreigners want to try and get an education in another country but the issue is that those slots get taken up by the citizens of that country. Then that bleeds into the job market. I once worked at Amazon and the team consisted of roughly 108 people, of those 108, only 3 people were from the US. Meanwhile I know many US citizens looking for a job in tech but those jobs again were given mainly to foreigners. That does not seem fair to me
Companies go recruiting the best talent out the there regardless of their nationality and that's how free market capitalism has thrived. Best talent from europe over the centuries have migrated to north america to contribute to the economy and it still continues. Don't cry because some low IQ american can't compete with brilliance.😂
I can only speak for the UK, but it is just used as a route in to gaining a visa. I have multiple scenarios of gaining employment and a right to stay after coming in on a student visa.
Australia is huge... How many international students they welcome for them to really affect housing prices? If a city has 2 million residents, how many more people you need to add to affect housing prices?
Because there are structural issues with low supply the government to has not addressed over ma years years, a quick fix is to reduce immigration to appease citizens.
It’s not just about housing. Lots of foreign being admitted can barely read or write English at an elementary level. Uni’s put pressure on teachers to pass them only because they pay a lot of money. Over time it will destroy the reputation of uni’s. Either maintain standards by capping places so only good students are admitted, or keep accepting anyone and in future no one will care about students educated in from an Australian university
@@bk1507 but the houses the students occupy are not real houses. They usually rent a studio or at best a 1 bedroom, and if they do rent a 2-3 bedroom, it's usually a group of 4-6 people which should significantly reduce the demand
Canada is totally dependent on new wave of immigrants (students or not) just to avoid recession. Although GDP per capita is already falling. The only reason total GDP is not yet negative is new people coming in who needs to spend. Without these new immigrants the government will face a recession.
The university’s here in Australia have been treating overseas foreign students as nothing more than cash cows. During the pandemic they tried to get them to come into Australia but that was shut down. After the pandemic they tried to get the government to organise flights to bring them back into the country. Never mind the fact that there thousands of Australians still trying to get home. A lot of the students weren’t even doing the actual study but were paying someone else to do the work for them, with the universities turning a blind eye. Until the media started kicking up a fuss, the chancellor of one major university was earning over a million dollars a year. The universities lost the focus of what their core focus was and even now they still have not got it.
Australia literally boasts the highest number of universities in the global top 100 rankings relative to its population. INSEAD's latest Talent Competitiveness Index also lists Australian talent as the 8th most attractive in the world (ahead of the UK and Canada). Are some universities degree mills? Absolutely. But you can't get these statistics without having internationally reputable institutions in place.
Good on them for pursuing university education really (I've given up), but I'm a uni student and in literally all of my classes (for an arts degree so not the stereotypical IT class demographic), 50% to 90% of the students can't even speak English. Nothing morally wrong with that, just demonstrates where our universities are actually placing their priorities. A massive amount of Australian uni students have been priced out of university (because boomers went to uni for free then made everyone after them pay for it) because universities can just turn to international students instead. Instead of forcing Australians out of universities, universities should be expanded to be able to accommodate both Australian and international students, and we shouldn't be charged money for seeking a higher education. For the record, I'm not saying foreign student limits will fix the Housing Crisis. WAY more needs to be done on that and neither Liberal nor Labour can be bothered to do the bare minimum on that front. But limits on foreign students IS one of the many necessary steps. Because the amount we have is ridiculous. What's the point in immigration if we don't have the space in our universities or the amount of necessary homes to accommodate Australians and immigrants together?
The well to do students go to USA for university level studies. 90% here are to work and send money home. It’s a legalized to work industry supported by universities
As someone who's been living in Australia for over 18 years, I can certainly say, Australia only needs cheap labour! Immigration policy is mainly to keep rent and housing prices high to benefit banks and developers.😅
@@charleskurniawan2950 the issue there is that the tuition only goes to the universities. So even if we raise prices for tuition what makes you think it will make anyone else have a better life expect for those managing universities.
international students is not an export. only Chinese students are exports.All others are imports they have no money and works in Australia.they're aim is to get visa and not to study
The US will never cap foreign students. They enjoy the international tuition and fees too much. Plus, many International students work. The Government gets taxes from that. It's a BIG business in the US. A US university will reject a US citizen with the same brilliance as a foreign student. Simply because the foreign student is charged a higher tuition than a local US student.
According to UBS' annual Globak Wealth Databook, the median Australian is twice as wealthy as the median American. I'd say Australia's doing just fine.
My wife works for a tertiary institution and they like some others in NZ are struggling financial. Sad fact is international students are super valuable and needed to sustain education institutions. Send them here, we'll take em.
Never mind international students, what about supporting young citizens in NZ? If you bring alot of international students there, you will see a lot of housing and rental issues. Youth crime will go up.
International students have wealthy parents usually. These students are driving the SKY HIGH housing costs in Australia. Australians are fed up losing housing opportunities whether is a rental or first time home purchase to these international students whose parents have unlimited resources and offer property owners 10, 20% higher rent or purchse price CASH. How can a typical Australian compete? They can't, so now the government rightfully is doing something about it.
Not totally. If anything the Australians themselves speculated heavily for 20+ years in the housing market due to weak interest rates for savings offered by their banks, who also extended large loans to lenders at very low interest rates. Their tv are full of popular property speculation and renovation reality tv programmes such as ''Buy to Build", ''Selling Houses Australia'', ''The Block'' , "'Million Dollar Listing'', ''Grand Designs Australia'' where your average Aussie Mom and Pop quit their day job to become home renovators in order to flip properties. All these programmes were a dummies guide to teach the average Aussie how to play in the property speculation game. That was also the same case repeated in other countries like Canada, US and UK.
Most are not here to study but for the PR. Universities know it and allow the students to bunk classes and sit for exams. They work illegally for long hours. Most I know work multiple jobs and just want the degree. Has nothing to do with actually get any skills.
@@gauravaws20 most people "just" want the degree obviously.... but don't worry, so many people have western degrees they're becoming nearly useless anyways.
it's been so many years so many foreigners came to australia using student visas, enrolling in "ghost colleges", and then working long hours in all kind of jobs. if you are BONAFIDE students, really want to study and finish your degrees here, you should not worry. but, i think it has been government's own intention to use student visa to satisfy business demand to import cheap labour into australia.
Problem is the govt haven’t been efficient in improving infrastructure and creating more housing, planning , govt had done nothing. Why cutting your legs and income ? It will hurt Aus edu and universities, when you mess it up, you might not get it back
Australia is planning to Reduce Chinese students But increase ones from India and Japan. Australia also planning to adopt US sanctions banning Chinese student Studying High Tech Subjects like engineering and AI.
@@GogonYero Indian students worked very well for Canada. Over running low wage jobs and living 5 per house. Making the beaches nice and smelly. It will be good for Australia too. I think the more Uber drivers the better.
It is a myth that foreign students are bringing foreign currency to Australia. I know personally foreign students show little bit of money enough to get the visa and come here and work everywhere and make money in Australia to pay tuition. so what investment universities are talking about making money from foreign students. Instead universities are restricting entrance to local students in favour of foreign students. universities should get funding from the government not from influx of foreign students that Australia cannot sustain. Or ask foreign students to pay for the studies from money brought infrom overseas. Not by working in Australia. All the opposition comes from immigration lawyers and universities begging for foreign student money because they have no plan to fund their research on their own.
Yes, Indians are 2nd largest group at 17%. The others are mostly South East Asian countries like Vietnam 5%, Indonesia 3%, Malaysia 2%. Singapore only 1%.
@@mujur9101 china india nepal is the highest 3 dumbo, with those combined to almost 50% of the international students. Indonesia is only 3% malaysia is only 2%. So yeah, 25% is of indian descent (nepal and india) and most of them are definitely not indonesian chinese/malaysian chinese. Lmfao. Those countries too poor my guy.
@@manonamission2000 If all Indian will go back to their native India where they belong, India, as a state, will collapse...And they keep voting for Modi, who wants to send them to the Moon instead of making their lives decent here in their own India so they don't flee the country in millions...shameful Modi and his Government.
Too many international students in Australia. Overseas students should be financially self-sufficient when they study in Australia but instead they abuse their student visas and start making money to send it back to their home countries?! These students are taking entry level jobs that should be reserved for young Aussies and seniors who wants to boost their bank accounts. Allowing international students to work here with terrible customer service skills and occupying jobs for the younger generations - so wrong!!!
They don't come here with the specific purpose of sending money home. Immigration consultants lie to these students and their parents about the whole process. They come here believing there are plenty of high paying part time jobs here only to realise that they were told a lie. They also realise quickly that there is no guarantee of permanent residency, so instead of studying they start to overwork to earn back some of the money they spent for university. Believe me the money they send back barely covers the student fees which their parents probably paid by selling off their generational assets. These students are fighting a losing battle so of course they arent going to fight fair because its a matter of survival. Most of them should have never been allowed here, but our greedy universities don't give a f@ck. The real people we should be blaming are immigration consultants, the universities and our politicians. This is one big scam and they are all in on it...Trust me.
Bill Gates said to the US Congress when there was talk of limiting student and work visas: putting a cap on these visas is like putting a cap on intelligence.
Lol good. Decrease the cost of living and increase wages. The entire Anglosphere is dealing with the consequences of the international student, university grift.
The critics are lobbyists who don't wanna see their pay cuts. We pay all this money to uni's and they do jack with it so it's fair game that they lose profits
too many students hurt those who dont work for education industry most of them don't want to go back and applying for residencies by taking courses they are not really interested in
It’s not long ago. Everyone were talking labour shortage and city is a ghost town. So everyone were pushing to open the border quickly and have student back in town. Well guess what they’re now back in town and now you’re blaming them for housing shortage. The biggest problem Australia has is the politicians, they are doing things for the vote and no long term visions or planning but very shortsighted actions. That is the issue
Higher education big 8 no problem, problems are low end so called education, these are just another way of labour hiring for the labour shortage as these people are not here for study, they are often appearing at the back kitchen of restaurants washing dishes mountain and get under paid
Australia have limited economy diversity and mining, real estate and education being the top 3. Can they even afford to remove education as their source of economy?
I agree with the notion that goverment is not building enough public housing to support people and the market is one of the most expensive in the world for no obvious reason. Ok cut the student numbers but its not a long term solution.
When a foreign student pays international tuition fees, naturally he chooses top universities, only when he cannot get admission then he looks for 2nd tier and 3rd tier universities. Australia has more universities than many countries with population of less than 27 million residents, this explains why international students is one of the key drivers of economic growth. Unfortunately, this has been politicized and become an issue of xenophobia, which is going to divide people and contribute to woke culture that has brought down United States and some countries in Europe. Australia is an immigrant country, please ask your fore fathers, keep this social fabric and aspire to be the best cosmopolitan nation in the world.
As a domestic student Australia doesn't have have enough space for both foreign & domestic students to live at the same time. Its getting so bad that many dodgy homeowners with second or third properties are taking advantage over students and people living under the poverty line by making the rental costs too high to afford accommodation even just for a room in a share house. I would like to see a tax on universities profits for each foreign university student they allow to enrol, with proceeds going towards building more public housing and not paying off public housing debt.
Those figures of income from international students are now considered considerably inflated by research. Most students extract with loans etc their income from Australia and most need to work and earn money in Australia.
United States or United States Universities not depending on international students for money or cover budget like Canada and Australia. First the best and wealthier students to go to Universities in United states. Second all of them go to Australia and Canada which are highly depend on international students to cover the budgets.
In nutshell, everyone is doing their assignment. Politician looks after citizen access to accommodation, services, etc (it takes time to build up the capacity) vs University looks after their budget, salary?
This is very bad idea. Lesser students means lesser staff members. Australia also has an aging workforce. Not too many locals wanting to go to uni or do an apprenticeship. This will actually slow down the economy. Might as well takeaway working holiday visa's as they also compete will locals for jobs and housing.
The problem is on western eduction countries, think they provide quality education and provide jobs but in reality there are more diverse countries in options right now in future students looking on such as Germany, Netherlands. In Latin America, Brazil, Argentina. In Middle East, UAE, Qatar. In Asia, South Korea, japan, china, Singapore.
Its been a pathway to residency, its screwed up living conditions for everyone. During the pandemic, everything was cheaper. They cost more for everyone than they are worth.
There should be clear policies in place to clearly separate University Education from Immigration. Students should be made toreturn to their countries after graduation or after a few years. Then, any immigration application can be made by students from their original countries and processed. Many people come into the country with intention to stay on, creating problems in control and problems for Australians' lives. Just look at what happened to UK, Canada, ... to see how devastating poor control over immigrants, legal and illegal, cab be.
This suggests that even in 2024, the countries these students come from are still incapable of properly educating their own people. Simply mind-boggling.
The issue unis are not in line with the skill demand, the degree they provide is useless. Foreign students who come here don't have any work experience. How could aus benefit our of this..
From indonesia, agree the impact of housing is not the international students but the influx of golden visa of ultra wealth from china and other country. But for this, I dont think aus will limit it, isnt it? 😅
