Australian Trucks Make More Sense 

You know Charles, I was up late tossing and turning last night thinking the same thing and let me just be the first to say that thank GOD somebody put those horrific thoughts I was having into words.

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can't argue with that

Someone’s been working on one for a while i think.

If that exists, you can pick American, European and Japanese trucks there.

yeah it’s called truck world australia or something

I wanna do that! I am Victorian.

I think there is a mod for that in ATS and ETS2

I've seen quite a few four dog trains and once near Winton I saw two by five doggers, one behind the other. Never seen one since but I believe they are common round mining sites.

Actually it is widely recognised that Kurt Johansson who first pioneered road trains in the Northern Territory around Alice Springs. His truck "Big Bertha" is in the Road Transport Hall of Fame in Alice Spring and Noel Buntine iis another Pioneer who revolutionised the Road Train in the 1960's making it what it is today. My Father worked for Mr Buntine and they were mates and he treated us like family as he treated all his drivers. "In 1983, with the Australian Road Research Board, Melbourne, considerable research work was undertaken with Parnell equipment to provide information on which the requirements of operation of triple roadtrains were developed. With Dr. Peter Sweatman and others from ARRB assisting, the first triple roadtrain running from Pt. Augusta to the SA/NT border commenced operations under strict supervision." Quote taken from the Road Transport Hall of Fame. Triple road trains were already in use in NT at the time and the . I remember my fist ride in a Tanami Cattle truck with my Uncle Bruce "Pissy" Pepperill about 1983 and Road Trains were every where. Sherwins, Buntines (later to become Road Trains Australia or RTA), Co-Ord where all running trains across the NT from Mt Isa Qld to Derby WA and Clan Contracting (Derby WA) and Gulf Transport (Jim Cooper is a legendary pioneer of the Road Train industry, he later bought RTA forming GulfRTA) from 60's and 70's. In the 1979 the Federal and SA Government undertook to seal the Stuart highway completing it in 1987, just in time for the Bicentennial Celebrations'. Massive road building project required massive amounts of machines and fuel. And there wasn't just one camp. There were road work camps North of the SA/NT Border, The Alice to SA Border Section was being sealed at the same time. Your Grand Dad would have nailed it with the contract to cart fuel to the road work crews! How ever in the late 70's and early 80's there were several cases of Fuel Tankers catching fire or rolling over about 30km South of Alice Springs on the old dirt Stuart Highway. My Father caught one incident on his brand new Super 8 movie camera in the very early 80's or maybe '79 that was used in a court case in Alice Springs where a car cut of and dusted a Road Train carrying fuel causing it to crash and catch fire. The entire train burned. If your Grand Dad is still alive, ask him about that one. It might have been one of his trucks.

@@InTheDarknessWhereIDwell Ok thanks for the correction! I couldnt help myself from laughing someone being called pissy. I never thought someone could be called that. And yes John Parnell is still alive and I enjoy his company. Hes an idol to me and I'll ask him about it.

@@Hayden_TGM He was called Pissy because he was a big piss head. Always drunk, got sacked from Sherwin Transport a few times for being piss wrecked but Peter Sherwin would always re-employ him hahahaha. John Parnell was probably, just guessing, a huge contributor to how safe fuel tankers are today.

@@Hayden_TGM Tell him Richard Kay is also bright and Healthy in Darwin was talking with him just the other day! Spent many an hour chatting about outback trucking, I am an Indentured Tradesman Diesel mechanic. who did my Apprenticeship in the late 70s in Darwin, if he knew pissy he knows Richard Kay.

Probably because rural australia has literally nothing in it, while rural america and canada still have paved roads and communities every couple dozen kilometers/miles. That means people will complain, and police will pull you over. Road trains don't have many external factors to worry about

It is a bigger safety concern in America since almost all roads have a specific lane width. In Australia it seems you have hundreds of miles of open land with hardly any traffic and wider roads but over here in America there will always be some traffic and the risks involved in having a trailer train of that length means the whole train can shift many feet to the left or right due to bumps, wind, and unlevel roads. The longest trailer you can tow with a pickup truck (Ford F350 and the like) is 53 feet long. The longest trailer train you can have is a triple which maxes out at 105 feet long and they are exclusive to semi trucks. This is the highest maximum length I know of, there are almost certainly different laws on this depending on the state. Had to research if it was possible to tow a 24 foot enclosed trailer while towing a camper behind that at one point. The laws have too much legalese talk to them but from what I understood it is also possible to tow multiple trailers behind a pickup as long as the towed items when attached to each other do not exceed 53 feet total.

I've seen small road trains in the US. Two small trailers instead of the typical long one. But we get cabovers and bonneteds. Not too many japanese semis though

In the USA it's mostly bonneted trucks. Cabovers are mostly a leftover and not being sold here at all to my understanding, while In my opinion being superior for many tasks

In England everything 18th metres long class as road train 😂🚂.

Must be the pits being 150km from the next place with a shower and shitter when you have only 30 mins wheel-time left, and the owner can't be arsed paying for AFM certification because 'BFM is just fine... and cheaper.'

American here! We were in a conventional truck and all we had was a mini fridge and a microwave. The problem with the shower/toilet setups is that they add weight and length- utterly impractical if you have to be anywhere near a city. I don’t know what your DOT equivalent is like but ours will absolutely slam you on weight. Funny thing is that we were never more than about 2 hours from a gas station (usually with showers) so that kind of a setup would be way more practical for a trip to Alice Springs or wherever than it would be anywhere in the US!

@@Axqu7227 they also add cost. Only trucks I've seen with that kind of setup were show-grade trucks. Not necessarily purely for show, but they had that kind of money poured into them.

I'm american trucker looking to drive in australia. comment if you can help me

I'm now imagining a road train where the "caboose" is a camper trailer. 😂

double road trains in Melbourne metro ,ceva b triple used to run Geelong Broadmeadows daily .

That will change. We now have road trains in Victoria

@@JohnCacic Are doubles not classed as 'long vehicle'? I always thought road trains were 3 or more carriages.

@@htejjke2228 b doubles are not road trains.

@@rawnature8148 But A-doubles are.

My dream is to be a truck driver like my dad He has been driving since he was 18. This year he will be 60 and still driving

@@alpharaptor7510 They are making those old trucks easier to live and work in all the time. Back when I was young in the 1950's, those poor old drivers looked like they were beat to death by the time they were sixty. I retired at seventy, and was in far better shape than those okd guys a generation before. The truck itself as well as available services have made the job far easier. It still remains a high stress and often difficult occupation.

And, until the liberal government killed it, we had a local car industry making Utes which were great for hauling without the unpleasant verticality of american trucks.

@@superchroma Actually it was GM recording Subsidiaries and Assistance Loans as Income then sending the cash to the US, they then said the market was Unsustainable and Unprofitable, further Holden was preventing the growth of US Brands around the Pacific rim, Indian Ocean and such, so they shut down GMH so GM's American brands could take over. the closure of GMH was going to force up Parts Manufacturing costs so Ford followed, Toyota held on as long as they could but they had to go as well.

@@superchroma anime profile pic. Your opinion is invalid.

@@redhammer9910 ahahaha what a bastard! Glad you survived your ordeal. I think the scariest one we came across was one carrying a massive bulldozer from the mines. The blade on the bulldozer stuck out from either side of the trailer and all you saw was a shiny steel blade fly past the window :S

Rural NSW here (Riverina exact), and it's not uncommon seeing B-Doubs hauling grains or a truck running pair of livestock trailers or fuel tankers, or a flatbed hauling a tractor from a farm with the "Wide Load" warning, mixed with hatches, sedans, utes, 4-ton rigids and SUV's along the A20/Sturt Highway or on the winding 2-lane blacktop between towns. Sometimes even encounter roadwork teams prepping for jobs to start, during job, or after a job is done.

I lived in Alice Springs for 40 years. Triples are everywhere there. Then they added the extra 1/2 trailer to the triple. They drive through town as its the only way from Darwin to Adelaide. I learnt as a young kid to respect trucks.

I lived in the western suburbs seen plenty of wide loads coming me going well over a 100k's

Australian truck Sim might have a settlement problem though, with an unusual solution that may elevate the late game. You have a lot of empty space for vast mines, cattle runs and forestry areas. They need to be developed in order to create logistic demand. If the player can invest in the industry, and then have drivers servicing logistical supply chains, you get more sensible routes (instead of everyone running Turkey/Scotland or Finland/Portugal routes), and you make money have meaning beyond the phase of $100K a week. All this isn't easy, but it would be amazing if it were possible.

Truck world Australia is upcoming, popped up randomly for me on steam the other day

I'd want to see Truck Simulator New Zealand actually. Not only would you still get the vast selection of trucks just like in Australia, but you'd also get a vast selection of terrain as well!

Australian Truck Simulator would be a lot of sand, mostly.

@@dallasfrost1996 I never knew I wanted this but now I do

Crazy! Only ever seen a similarly lengthy roadtrain like that down the road past coober pedy while 4x4 touring a couple years ago, the sheer intimidating massiveness of those things is hard to put into words hey

I live in kal I see quads daly

I bet that was a thrill on two wheels! I am a retired USA trucker, and yet have enjoyed biking my whole life. I have always said, "Share the road". But less people go out of their way to be considerate to another driver. So sad!

Sounds like every road in the UK near enough

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same with europe i guess then

Hey! 2-4 extra pallets is 10 extra dollars per load, how as a capitalist am I to feed my family for the sake of your comfort??

@@nakoda1610 no. Europe is fine. We don’t have this problem.

@@digiornopizzadelivery8062 yeah but it’s incredibly dangerous

@@bamron265 yea. yea we do have this problem

Worse with a cab over.

Can get pretty interesting to drive too, especially when you pass another road train and your trailers are empty!

Saw that 1st hand on the Stewart Hwy north of Alice Springs following a triple trailer. 3rd only was all over the place .the 2nd was dead straight

so in theory you"d want more rolling resistance on the wheels of the further back trailers, so they stay straight under tension?

@@AnarchistMetalhead The whip comes from the chassis flex in the prime mover mostly. Or cheap, poorly built trailer/dolly. Longer and stiffer prime mover chassis as well as longer drawbars on the dolly help immensely.

The American style trucks are always better suited to long haul. Plus conventional trucks are sexy. As far a a truck can be anyway

American trucks have better fuel efficiency in general due to their better aerodynamics.

The K200 clawed back a lot of market share once it was shown to be competitive alongside the European trucks for efficiency. I know a couple of companies that cancelled Volvo orders in favour of them.

@@Anon.G More bull 💩! Don’t comment if you’re not 100% sure. Fool.

Not sure what you are saying Joel, American trucks are more fuel efficient

Right on

It felt like a 15 minute video wtf

i think our perception is getting warped from tiktok and short speed clip forms of information blasting our brains have gotten use to. God help us.

If he knew his stuff and showed Aussie trucks it would have been better! FFS 🤦🏻‍♂️

Here I am wanting to see more trucks and lorries and thinking the video is way too short

A Big Truck goes as fast as it can....a Large Car goes just as fast as it wants to.

So slower…

bro semi trucks to americans are medium-sized cars

@@lakesnake2005 I hear a similar saying, a Big Truck changes gears, a Large Car changes lanes! Hmm does an 800 horse Cat, 18 speed and 3.36 gears on tall rubber mean my fld 120 is a large car? Lol

@@rickcorey5908 are those 18 gears in multiple groups, or just one stick?

In Australia, we call them kangaroo bars, or roo bars. Kangaroos are really stupid and have no understanding of how roads work. I've been on remote highways where there is a dead kangaroo at least every 100 meters, for many, many kilometers.

@@Starfireaw11 In Sweden we call them "Älgstaket" which translates to "Moose Fence".

Yep, just Roo Bar in Australia

@@tbone2646 Might be regional.... They're bullbars here in northern NSW. To me, a roo bar is the softer, lighter type often used on family size sedans, 8 seater vans and some smaller SUVs.

As an Australian I will go out of my way for amusing bullshit any day of the week.

@@OTSomewhere Australian from Victoria here, couldn't agree more

The government is the exception.

@@satya.anandakrishnan Unfortunately, Nobody get to choose weather or not their government is full of shit, they just are.

@@theafro I mean, we live in a representative democracy. That’s kinda the point of choosing members who aren’t full of $hit.

Mate, you're not wrong. I was talking to a bloke that had an injector fail outside Ceduna. Trucks computer said "no". He said a mechanic had to come from Melbourne to fix the thing! For those outside Oz thats about 1500kms (950 miles). With an old truck, he could keep going on 7!

@@cme2cau Yeah I heard there are no truck mechanics in Adelaide or any of SA for that matter! Nice story John FFS 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@SpatialGuy77 It would not be impossible that it was a BS story. This was a few years ago, and computer controlled diesels weren't exactly thick on the ground. Yes, there are diesel mechanics everywhere (on every farm, for one) but it's a bit different in a modern engine than putting a new injector in a mechanically injected diesel. Without the right software (sometimes dealer only), you've got Buckleys.

@@cme2cau OK. So no computers in Adelaide then, my mistake.

'halfway between dingo piss creek and bum fuck nowhere' I love you

It's definitely not, Brazil has all sorts of different trucks being used to haul shit around.

Exactly, we have both cabovers and front engined trucks. Cabovers are mostly seen near urban areas and front engined in the country side

@@MrCrazypb That's cool. Here in Germany you simply it simply doesn't make sense to operate a bonneted Truck because Europe overall simply lacks the space.The only companies operating these kind of Trucks merely use them as an eyecatcher.

@@fidel_manuwa1827 that makes sense considering most truck routes are fairly short in Europe compared to Brazil or Australia. The longer routes and lack of infrastructure require us to use both types depending on the job. We even have Road Trains here but they are mostly seen in highly agricultural areas where it is more economical to overload a single truck between short routes (say from harvest to mills)

Brazil has all sorts. Even older long nose scania's i wouldn't be suprised if they got bedfords and leylands...

You dont have roadtrains they are called B doubles

@@aussiedrone1511 that and their infrastructure is better than ours

I'm a truck driver; I see triples frequently, but usually only West of the Mississippi.

Yup. True. Triples aren't legal in all states. No US states allow more than 3.

A double or a triple is not a road train, son

likewise, It makes watching truck spotting videos pretty interesting since it's never the same thing after the other

I would love too be able to drive a k200 in the states

@@WillBilly. Australian fleet tech here, we have a mixed fleet of k200s, k909s, Volvo, Daimler etc All our kenworths are X15 with 18 speed ultra shift road ranger setups. As much as older guys complain, we have never had any internal transmission faults, only clutches. These things are great for scooting around with the shorter wheel base, however the ride quality compared to the euro cabs is shite, the drivers seat is air ride and that's about it, the cab just sits on big round cased bushes. Main advantage to the k200s are shorter wheel base and cost, they are allegedly* significantly cheaper than buying a comparable performance euro cab over. Vs the K909s with longer wheel base, air ride cab etc, for pulling long distance trains, drivers prefer either the 909s or the euro trucks. Hence we are apparently cutting back on the k200s and acquiring some more k909s and Volvo's I think.

It's a pretty rough truck

@@jordanbrolsma2724 I find it odd why American truck manufacturers all use the same blueprints for trucks in general, and they barely change from generation to generation. Cabovers don't have air suspension for the cab itself, that's why the ride quality is absolute shit. And they're not ergonomical whatsoever cuz they put the steps behind the front wheel. It doesn't improve handling and it's a hazard for the driver to make it that way since the risk for slipping and falling is greatly increased.

​@@cruize55 what? why would I?! pff, no?... ..ugh.. fuck it, I'm breaking radio silence COMMAND THEY ARE ONTO US, THE HUMANS FIGURED OUT THE INFILTRATION, GET ME OUTTA HERE

I’m a kiwi who thinks he’s Australian and I do drive trucks and I enjoyed it too

Such a great philosophy from this guy

Cabovers offer superior driver comfort, visability, manovability and versatility. Look at Volvo Australia's XXL cab. Designed, tested and manufactured in Australia for our unique extreme conditions. 👍👍🇭🇲

Well I mean, Scania and Volvo's insane horsepower wars might be slightly to blame here.

@@HrHaakon I'm waiting to see who will release the first 1000hp engine in a commercial vehicle. Both Volvo and Scania produce 2000hp + industrial engines but these monsters are not a commercially viable option due to size.👍👍🇭🇲

Asian trucks focus more on efficiency and cost effectiveness. The largest Australian Isuzu engine is only 540hp out of a 15.7L 6 cylinder 6WG1. They often run at max GVM, which is 54 tonnes for the larger models. They aren't made to drive up and down mountain ranges fully loaded or do cross country trips, they were made by a small island nation for inter-city commerce. Asian trucks dominate the market of small to medium trucks, as there are models that can be driven on a car licence, and they're cheap and efficient for light and medium rigid trucks. They're also like Lego, in that they are fully customisable from cab, engine, gearbox, driveline, axles, body type and GVM. american and European trucks are only any good for B-doubles or bigger.

@@CantBeFucked69420 Not necessarily accurate. Take note of the increasing numbers of Volvo, Scania and MAN vehicles in heavy rigid configurations that have infinite modification options. Volvo are growing the light rigid market with UD.👍👍🇭🇲

Missed the part about there being a huge amount of older American trucks still on the road. Aus is a US truck enthusiasts dream

Your approval isn't needed for this video to exist though

@@RileyWhitts virgin?

bull bars mate roo bars go on you mums corolla

Also called Bull bars

Yeah me too, since I'm also playing ETS2 recently that leads me into this trucking world

@@spidergoblin. for me, ive never touched a trucking simulator but now im considering getting one. which one do you recommend?

@@Sixtixx Depends on what you like. If you like American trucking, then get American Truck Simulator. But if u like European trucking which I do, they get the Europe Truck Simulator. It is best with a wheel if U have one

If you're interested in the industry you can get yourself in almost any part of it right now from how understaffed it is, be it driver, dispatcher, mechanic, salesman at the dealership, gate guard at the drop yard, there's a lot of desk jobs even, for every driver and mechanic out there there's usually 1 person behind a desk helping them out

🤣🤣🤣😂 I did it from 1991 to 2018. Drove my first truck in the US Army and have driven in 3 countries. If you count my Army experience I have over 30 years trucking. After having a heart attack, bypass surgery, being put on insulin after surgery the Government I can't drive anymore. Since being retired 2022 has been my best year.

Yeah it is lol I’ve seen it

not really it is going downhill due to new regulations and companies pushing drivers to their boundaries and crap pay. i am an australian and a truckie. we have lots of imported drivers( immigrant ) that can only go forward and dont know how to reverse a semi.

@@biteme0973 People don't respect truckers who can maneuver their vehicle backwards into tight spots. They do love their groceries though

@@biteme0973 We are seeing that here in the States also. And they are getting a CDL without knowledge of the equipment and the rules. Some even cannot speak or read English. Unfortunately many newer drivers do not possess backing or maneuvering skills when they start. All of this is making it interesting here. Also made it easy for me to retire when I hit my seventieth birthday. It is getting crazier on our roads all the time here.

@@ronfullerton3162 sounds like I'm on for a treat. Learning and training to get my CDL currently through a company and a school. Were learning loads about backing and they're making us practice it every day for hours.

Well, they're both usefull

I think we have different ideas of what 'Great distances between cities' is

@@devo3243 3,000 mile drives are common

I seen a newer cab over in Ohio/WV once, and I was so confused. But I was amazed by the cab over. It took me a while to assume that it was imported from Australia.

@@DraxTrac I seen them in newark

I seen European cab overs in the US, they were all Scanias. And even one Scania was driving with European trailer and license plates.

I believe what folks are seeing on US roads are the Freightliner Argosy. The last cabover Freightliner built in the US for over-the-road use. Still available new as a “Glider Kit” which is about an 80% complete truck.

It's very rare to see a euro trucks but I've seen 2 Scanias and a few Man trucks in the USA and there's a Foden that drives regularly on i49 in Louisiana

And apparently only moved a meter or so.

@@jimzeleny7213 I can imagine after a solid gust of wind or a flood pushing it along lol!

Lol

Shhhhhhh

I wish I was real as well.

True mate. I reckon I'm unreal.

When things are too good to be true....

Oh no you're not... Let's go!

Cab under style is the best as the engine shades from the sun.

So the same reason why they were so common here in the states until it was deregulated. You still see them, but if it's a cabover combination vehicle, it was most likely made in the 70's or early 80's.

hello "STAROBEX"

They're much easier to live in that's for sure. I spend a month or more in my truck at a time and it even gets a little small at times, couldn't imagine living in a cabover long term. Yikes

Truck world Australia is in development but currently there isn't much footage of the game

MA rating for language ;)

We all do

My dad used to own a 1980s V8 bonetted Scania in the 90s

@@alpharaptor7510 I love the sound of the six cylinder Scania cab overs from that era, but the V8 your described is a powerhouse.

Lady drivers are getting more common here in the States also. Some are very good drivers! Plus many of them look better to me than their male counterparts.

😅🤣

proper truck**

*"Nice to see American looking trucks pulling "European looking trailers" and vice versa"* Well, trailers in Australia has different requirements. Just like Europe, all trailers in Australia require amber turn signals and reverse lights. Most American trailer come with red turn signals and no reverse lights at all.

@@automation7295 Also america really don't like curtainsiders. Meanwhile here in europe we LOVE them to the point it's impossible not to see one.

The fridge van trailers are thicker than European or American trailers

@@automation7295 The fridge van trailers are thicker than European or American trailers

It's not harsh when it's the only thing we've known. It's normal.

Ausie ausie ausie

@@lachlanarbuckle8539 OI OI OI

@@Str8UpL4zy that’s the one

Great country, despotic govt

the country would be a lot better off without the people running it

Kenworth is king here in Australia

Kenworths parent company paccar might be American, but Australian kenworths are design and built in Australia

Lol

Actually Australia has heaps of camels... just not the trucks 🤣

We certainly do. They run wild in the NT.

Iveco occupies the former International truck manufacturing plant in Dandenong, Melbourne. I used to deliver Road Ranger gearboxes and clutches to there.

Iveco Trakker is very popular and effective as off-road truck for quarries and construction sites in Italy, mewnwhile Iveco S-way/Stralis for long haul is not much used compared to volvo or Scania

The former manager of Iveco Australia once told me that the name stands for "It Vibrates, Everything Comes Off"

@@davidbest7859 LOL Drivers have always kidded about truck names. The first one I heard was aimed at the American brand GMC that use to make heavy duty trucks. I was told it stood for "General Mess of Crap"! The International Trucks were referred to as "Binders" while they were still a part of the International Harvester ag-equipment company. That was because the foundation of the company was from the McCormick binder, the predecessor of the combine. Drove both makes, and they were solid trucks. But still called them the same as every other driver did back then.

With its electronic dash? Lol that thing will be a bitch to maintain in the Outback.

give it some time

@@jaumegenaro7673 2 years

@@mrn8032 2 days more

I came here to learn why Australia has some cool ass trucks...and I learned nothing of importance, nothing joyful...and am now somehow irritated. I guess it worked.