My fear is a potential superiority of the URC over the Premiership and Top 14 because the last 2 are structured in a very different way. However i am delighted to witness this change for the spectacle aspect of the Champions Cup even if i dread it at the same time, if i make sense. We enter a new competition, a new area. Cheers. ( i would also like to know how the trips to South Africa will be organised)
@@paulbismuth10 Is the travel for the Champions Cup that big of a problem? In Super Rugby teams traveled every season and travel was fine in the first season of the URC
Through Supersport and Vodacom, South Africa brought 65% of the revenue with SARU taking home 33% while Australia and NZ brought in 12% respectively and both unions took 33% home. The thanks SA got was having the door shut on their faces by both NZ and the Aussies at their most desperate time. We should have left this abusive relationship much much earlier in my opinion. The fact that we stayed this long is just beyond me.
The percentages are wrong since Japan and Argentina joined. We produced approximately 43% of the total revenue, but then we only got about 20%. Everything else you say about the abusive partnership etc.... yeah, spot on!
Australia would be making a mistake by walking away but NZ would be short sighted in trying to grab all the cash... let's work together to build the game..
As an Aussie, particularly as one who's lived an played in the Pacific, I would be gutted if we were to leave Super Rugby. It would be true to form for the ARU to completely shit the bed though. We are not being short changed. ARU old firm should just toddle off. This competition is exactly what I want to see. Excellent round of the issues as usual mate. Cheers
@@TwoCentsRugby It just reaks of old firm thinking, the 'world fuking revolves around me' mentality of the ARU. The growth potential is there, it's an excellent product, both PI teams far exceeded expectations as far as I'm concerned. It's maddening being a Aussie Rugby supporter, even with out 'congested sporting landscape' we still manage to put out good teams an play interesting an exciting rugby, but every foundational improvement in the administration of the game almost inevitably leads to 3 steps back, with a half pike and self Immolation a regular highlight. The ARU are a pack of fuckwitts.
I just see the Rugby dying here in Australia. The crowds are getting smaller and smaller every year, this year was terrible. It is still quite expensive to get tickets to a game. Seeing the crowds at NRL vs Rugby is just heartbreaking. You have to think why they don't just drop the ticket prices and fill the stadiums. I hated having to get Stan just for the Rugby. I was okay with Fox as I have that anyway. Not even going to start on the wokeness of the ARU
the problem here in Aus is as you said the wokeness and political meddling of and within the ARU. They just killing their own game. Remember the whole Raelene Castle fiasco? Qantas is not helping as they are epitome of wokeness that led to the whole Israel Folau saga. As you said, ticket prices are too high. When you make decisions like that, wow you know the organisation is in serious trouble. Unless they start their managment from scratch, the game will die in Australia.
I’m a South African living in Australia and one thing I can understand about Australians is no-one wants to see their teams lose to kiwis week in and week out. During super rugby AU the guys at work were talking rugby and the games were supported. Then came the trans tasman and everyone lost interest. I reckon if they go alone and persevere through the initial lean years, union in aus will be bigger than league. In the end the better product will win.
As a wallaby fan I think us leaving is a terrible idea, a domestic competition would be an economic nightmare (see A league) and the wallabies we already can’t hold on to would just leave in droves.
From a Scottish person looking in on the situation I 100% agree. I would not be interested in watching it if The Australians went it alone. To be fair it would be the same if Glasgow & Edinburgh went it alone & departed from The U.R.C & The S.R.U brought back The Caledonian Reds ( North of Scotland) & The Border Reviers ( South of Scotland ) I would find that dull to watch in comparison to The U.R.C. dont get me wrong it's difficult for Glasgow & Edinburgh to be competitive in The U.R.C financially but Glasgow have certainly punished above our weight getting to two finals when it was The Pro 12 & Pro 14 winning one & losing the other & Edinburgh have improved this season & had relative success in Europe. I honestly dont see Glasgow getting to another final as a Glasgow fan but it's far better to be in The U.R.C than not in it gives us something to strive for where if we where not in it we would have relatively nothing to strive to achieve it would be pointless. Keep Safe.
@@alanfox691 yes mate it’s important for you guys to get a taste of Wales\Ireland\Italy and then France\England so when your boys step up to the six nations it’s not as daunting, the rest of the world would not be interested in an Aus only competition. Hopefully you guys with a new coach will find yourself in a final sooner or later, there’s some exciting players coming through in both the franchises and Edinburgh didn’t disgrace themselves at all in the quarter (away to the eventual champions the Stormers IIRC). You take care and stay safe as well buddy, good luck in Arg 👍
My understanding is that Sky NZ bought the rights to show all rugby played in NZ. It includes SRP, RC, NPC, Schoolboy, 7's and Women's games. So, it makes sense that the NZR deal would be bigger and that it would not be shared with Australia. If Australia do leave (personally, I don't care) I am confident NZR will come up with something great to replace it. NPC used to be amazing before SR was introduced - especially with all the ABs playing for their provinces. NZR will have the opportunity of creating our own NRL-esque type of competition that could really grow over time along with MP and Drua (if they want in). New teams may need to be created and they need to be given assurances and security that the tournament will continue. Therefore, if Australia decide to take their ball and go home, the message should be - you won't be able to come back.
Stan includes the NPC, sevens and women's rugby (Super W, sevens and tests), not a dig just genuinely curious, what Aussie rugby does Sky show outside of SRP and RC?
@@D4N1CU5 NZ NPC has two divisions made of 14 teams in total. The third division which is called the Heartland Competition has 12. The Ranfurly Shield is a challenger competition that runs across and within the Heartland and NPC where the holder at the start of the year is obliged to accept at least 7 challenges. Any home game by the holder (whether NPC or Heartland is an automatic challenge). These games have a strong following in the provinces. Secondary school games (Div 1 = 16 Premiere Teams, Div 2 = 7 teams) and then there is Grassroots - where weekly highlights of club matches around the country are shown. Maori rugby is also broadcast although this is generally just the Maori ABs. Womens rugby at secondary and provincial (NPC) is being shown more regularly as are one off competitions such as Provincial and Club 7's tournaments. So, although Sky does not show every game that falls under the NZRU, they have bought the right to broadcast it if a game/tournament is deemed to be of interest to viewers. This includes Touch Rugby competions at National and international levels. Sky shows very little Australian Rugby below SR in NZ. I'm not sure if we got the NRC games.
@@oneday458 Kind of weird how NZRU is making money off Stan but RA isn't getting any money from Sky. We get Maori ABs, NPC, Kiwi women's tests and 7s but you guys aren't getting, for example, the Aussie club competitions (Shute Shield, Hospital cup etc.) that we do. I wonder how much Stan had to pay for the rights to the kiwi stuff?
@@oneday458 Huh? I don't think Stan has to pay Sky to show NPC and stuff, they'd get the rights off the NZRU to show it in Australia. I wonder if that 90 million figure includes what they got from Stan or if it's just Sky
Union will always struggle in Australia simply because they only like games they can win in like league where there's only 3 countries that can win the world cup and AFL a game no one outside of Australia care about being dominated in a sport by their little brother is too much for most Australians to handle and for that reason union will always struggle there.
@@MasterSmurfRace,de facto,?,but the US have one big advantage over NZ and most other countries and that's their population if NZ had Americas population they would win everything lol
rugby is dying in australia. its just too boring to watch compared with afl and nrl. its too much of a forwards arm wrestle and not enough razzel dazzel in the backs for the aus public..... the only way for it to survive is a in a competition with at least new zealand and maybe japan.... and also that the australian national team is successful. maybe changes in the rules to encourage backline play. to make rugby more viewable... exciting to watch....? to stop rugby dying in australia requires decent revenue to promote the game and get young talent into the game. the aru has a history of shooting themselves in the foot..... kicking out the western force, kicking out isreal folau (being political in favouring the gay lobby over the christian lobby), stopping australians playing overesas from playing in the national side. again.... the aru has a history of shooting themselves in the foot..... they will go about this in the wrong way and not get this right.
quite honestly super rugby is stale and more recently rugby has degenerated as a sport. Sky is also dreadful and I would love to see it dissolve. Hoping that the future will bring back a rejuvenated game
For me the format of super rugby got supper annoying with teams playing in the finals only because they topped their conference not necessarily because they should have been in the finals Super rugby as it was when South Africa was still in it
All I can say is, at least you get all your rugby with just sky in NZ. In Ireland you need to have UK (terrestrial) and Ireland (terrestrial) and 4 (FOUR!) different behind paywall subscriptions, to see all the provices and international matches.
Yeah everything but URC on Sky.... and they didn't get the last RWC or the Women's RWC this year... but yeah... I feel they give me a lot of rugby for what I pay... but the day they don't have rugby I'm gone
@@TOTN17 in NZ it was worse than that! SA teams on Spark Sport (rival provider to Sky NZ) and non-SA teams on URC streaming.... so to watch them all you'd have to get BOTH!
Japan is generating enough with the competition they have up and running. With nice tight matches. They would be stupid to enter into a competition with NZ. Would do more damage than good to there growing rugby game.
Thanks for the breakdown TCR from an Aussie Rugby fan. This is all so disheartening after an encouraging season for the Brumbies. I sooo wanna beat the Blues next year
This really says a lot doesn't it? For over 100 or so odd years, these 3 nations were the powerhouses of international test rugby. They were the benchmark that teams up north always struggled to follow. And now here we are. The roles are all but certainly reversing. Now we have a case of a Southern country moving North, another thinking they didn't need everybody else and another who can't stop moaning and groaning because they don't seem to realize rugby league is far more popular than rugby union. It's incredible isnt it, how much these teams DOMINATED the international scene and then you see where they are today. No-one fears them anymore. And now as of today, it's a complete shambles. Because 3 nations decided they didn't need each other to get where they wanted. Says a lot when you've the Big 3 playing together. It never goes well......
All but 1 world cup? Um... not exactly accurate, close, but not entirely. As for SA in that 'not needing' others nonsense. Its more a case of not being a truly viable option to continue with SR with the need to expand to Japan and Pacific and grow the game. The sort of travel required for SA teams just was viable, period, lets be real. SA moving to Europe, matching timezones, and let Pacific region focus on its own growth and not have to compromise for South Africa is actually good for the international growth.
At risk of sounding hipster-ish, Aussie fans spoiled on league just don't get Union anymore. My mates just dismiss the sport as a game that rewards penalties and not exciting try scoring. The thing is, Union is much more of a game of 'moments'. A big scrum here or a stolen line out there are mini 'tries' that are exciting to the trained eye but not to your average fan.
Both sports have their strengths and weaknesses. The basic skill level in rugby league is very poor compared to years gone by, it's just all about size now. The skill level at union is a little bit higher, but the stoppages and the rules drive me insane.
If the Aussie teams weren't there (sadly all too often making the Kiwi's look good) how much would the Kiwi competition be worth (to Sky) as a spectacle? I think the Championship Cup idea sounds pretty good - at least if the Japanese top league were involved. That would also potentially be of benefit if expat players in Japan could be eligible for their National sides. That way they can still access the big bucks on offer without being drawn away to Europe. Don't blame them for doing it - they need to optimize their earnings from a relatively short career span.
Yeah man Aussie Chairman trying to get more money for the Aussie teams going forward isn't startling stuff... bit crazy it's in the media.... again....
I recall Brad Weber complaining about having to play kiwi team after kiwi team taking its toll (during Covid times). Yet then they complain if Aussie competition isnt up to their liking. Geez, are the kiwis ever happy?
We need to remember we survived by ourselves and won the very first WC, the problem the Aussies have is that rugby is played by a select few most play league and AFL so they would be the bigger losers out of this...
League in Australia is a lot weaker now than it used to be, it's rapidly becoming a niche sport for pi/Kiwi players. Australian boys are playing other sports.
Honestly I just don't think either of us have enough for a split, it's kind of a shame we never went the route of 5 Australian teams, 5 Argentinian teams, 5 New Zealand teams and 5 South African teams... a proper super rugby comp like that would have been crazy but could never see that happening anymore. Super rugby and the franchises would likely no longer exist if the comps split, New Zealand maybe has room for 1 more side in Hawkesbay and the Australians just dont have a fan base for anymore sides... i hope they get over this problem and sort something out.
Five teams from 4 countries is too much. Super Rugby was at its peak for me when it was a log. 5 Aus 5 SA 4 NZ (or 5) in log format would’ve been amazing. Sadly, based on the success of the URC SA being in Super Rugby is dead. However, may not be bad having the Cheetas in SR as a visitor team
Australia and especially Argentina don’t have enough player personnel to support 5 teams …. Never mind the travel involved for all! That’s probably the worst idea. 5 Argentinian teams? Flying from and to where?
@@blizzard6741 nah the Cheetahs plays in another European legue . And yes i agree super rugby should have only kept teams from Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. Super ruined their own franchise
SA boytjie here and it always seems to me that RA are never happy. Literally, current Super Rugby format is much more conducive for tightly contested competition as all teams are close geographically. Either way, why this has to be a media blowhorn is stupid. All I can say is the majority of NZ rugby is much more enjoyable to watch that AUS, so not sure what they think a competition on their own will be appealing to international market? Keep up good coverage Mark, always fun check the channel!
So you’re saying it would be best if Australia do leave that way you would get better games because it’s NZ vs NZ? I think Australian rugby need to do something because Rugby in Australia is on life support. It’s propped up by NZ expats who go to games when an NZ team is playing.
As a South African with large rugby friend group, we really really struggle to watch SuperRugby and get into it already. If Australia pulls out of current SuperRugby set up (Pasific) promise you now, we will not watch a NZ solo competition. We will not be interested at all.
True i barely watched any super rugby this season. I watched the semis... And final thats it. Id definitely not watch an all Australian or nz competition. The viewership for super rugby via super sport south africa is dying i dont know how long our network will want to fork out money if south africans have moved on to Urc. No disrespect to the super rugby product but with no skin in the game in that competition its life span on safa networks is sadly not going to last.
I just feel sorry for the Argentina guys, hope South africa can include them next years currie cup so we can keep the relationship going cause the pacific is still restructuring
This year's super pacific rugby was really good. It would of been great if they kept this all behind closed doors. Cause I'm pretty sure they would of come up with at great format and something that would been commercially viable. Super rugby has big potential but admins are screwing it up hard. Last year 2021 au format was really good for Australia Rugby. Crowds and interest in the competition was good. Same as Aotearoa Comp. My opinion is they should of built from there. And introduce a champions and challenges style series. Where top 3 or 4 from each comp plays home and away matches based upon aggregate points except for the champions finals. And the bottom half play in the challenges series. With a possible invitation to Japan or MLR side Just my thoughts but I don't get paid the big money to make these ideas lol
I would like to merge with Japan. Tier one would be the current Super Rugby teams. Tier two the Japanese comp. At the end of the season two teams go down, two teams go up. This would intern mean bigger TV deals which would benefit Aus and NZ rugby. What would be other peoples thoughts on this?
During covid SA teams had sooo many local derbies, It got boring and this would be the same for the Aussie`s. Us verses them, then them v us, then them v the other lot, then the other lot v us, then us v them again...... snooze
I'm not trying to say I want us to leave the comp ( I don't) but McLennan isn't exactly stupid. Guy has made millions by managing some of the largest corporations in the world. I don't think he's doing this without having a fair idea of what the outcome would be. Having said that ain't no way it'll ever happen, we need NZ for Union to survive in Aus.
No country needs another country to survive. SA was isolated for many years and we just got stronger. Don't underestimate yourselves. Also trust your rugby managers.
@@robertjohnston5915 Correct. They want to make you think that you need them to survive. Australia is economically and otherwise strong to stand on own feet. SA also trusted our managers. We are happy now.
A strong domestics championship is vital for Rugby in all playing nation's, the Curry cup is vital for Springbok rugby, the traditions and rivalries has been showcasing talent since 1889. Australia will benefit greatly on nationsl level with a stronger more wide spread and better funded domestic series.
I think the fact it’s in the news is a bit of sabre rattling from either side, to try create pressure on the deal, which is a common tactic in negotiating nowadays. Doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I could see NZR turning into a Super Rugby Pacifica type league with the 5 Kiwis, Moana Pacifica & the Fijian Drua, for like a Super 7 team. I think with how much more popular SR: Aotearoa you’d get a more stable ticket income but the impact on players playing that intensity of grudge matches as the players Union said, would be a lot for the players. I think RA will struggle without the NZR, but if they could create their own way like how good the NRL is, then that could be good for them, especially if it was competitive and got more funding, they could keep more players AU based. But that’s a big if. I think it would be a shame if the whole of SANZAAR broke up as it’s been such a cool thing to see teams across the souther hemisphere play off against each other like in Europe, but I’m not sure how they’d reconcile a functional deal that works well for both.
if it does happen, make NPC the Super Rugby competition, and make the current super rugby teams intertwine with the respective regions such as Hurricanes with Wellington, Crusaders with Canterbury etc,.
Rugby is broken in Australia. The idiom “cannot see the forest for the trees” means that a person or organization cannot see the big picture because the focus is too much on the details. This best explains the current ARU and Wallabies problems. How has it come to this? The future of Australian rugby hinged on a 2023 World Cup pool game between Fiji and Portugal? How has Australian rugby reached this unbelievable low after 163 years of history? The real problem is that we just do not have the high quality players we once had in previous Wallaby teams. How is it possible that not one current Wallaby would make a World 15 team or even a second World 15 team or third World 15 team? No “independent” ARU review will report this because it is to confronting. WE JUST DO NOT HAVE GENUINE TIER ONE QUALITY PLAYERS IN ANY POSITION. The current Australian Wallabies, by their results, are now a genuine Tier 2 international team. So tragic for all those Wallabies who have proudly worn the green and gold jersey…. So sad for all the Wallaby supporters who have devoted their lives to supporting the Wallabies. Only time will reveal how this unbelievable situation is resolved.
That is the thing with successful families (SANZAAR)....always a bloody issue bru. Without pointing any fingers, a genuinely good thing has been ruined here. I just hope the Rugby Championship keeps going for many years to come.
Suthafrican super ruigby teams left the super ruigby competition to join the URC and the Heineken cup as well the lower tear Suthafrican teams joined the EPCR but things work out as well the travel times is more resonbel
Yes - Kiwis are good at marketing and branding - All Blacks, Kiwi Fruit, Hakka and they embrace the Maori symbology and wording. Greed has now entered into the Kiwi mentality and in the old days they just showed up and played, barefoot to boot. The same thing has happened to the America’s Cup as money is driving the event even to the detriment of the Nation. Now, they are going to Spain to defend and just ignoring the Nation that sponsored the team. Soon everybody will be playing in the 12 nations cup in Europe 🤨 and the Kiwis playing on their own - Crusaders A vs Crusaders B vs Northland A vs Countries Manukau C and Chiefs D vs Waiuku A vs Stephen Donald B 😁 Aussie need to go and get more money and I see that they are starting to embrace the Aboriginal Culture which is great. In a few years Global Rugby will change and Touring will be no more. So things are changing fast.
NZ rugby just need to make the NPC the premier competition. 14 teams, play each other twice, semi’s then final. Time to make it a similar product to the top 14 or NRL.
Rugby needs to return to the suburbs and avoid the bigger stadiums. Look at Leichhardt Oval with 10,000+ supporters. Better atmosphere than in a bigger stadium. Also, kids get in free. Cheaper tickets to entice more people to attend. If the ticket is cheaper I'll spend more on food and drinks. Let everyone on the field afterwards to mingle with the players and kick a footy around. The players shouldn't be held on a pedestal and untouchable. Rugby is a social sport
As an Aussie as much as I loved super rugby pacific, Id rather Super Rugby just become our version of the Heineken Cup, every year here more and more people flick off super rugby, most of them are diehard club rugby fans at the local level and just don't even care about super rugby.
Yeah I do feel like there is a place for some kind of Champions Cup - that way there can be a focus on the local game/rivalries while still having the Trans-Tasman connection... but yeah I'm not sure how the nuts and bolts of it would look
I actually like that idea. It will help grass roots team grow and while it might have a few teething problems it will feed on that tribalism locally leading into a champions league style comp. Japanese teams will defo want to get involved with a prestige style comp which can be timed and require teams to qualify (top 3 plus the previous years champ - the union that has the champ gets the extra slot). You can have two pools of five for a top 4 shoot out
Well Australia and New Zealand need each other. I suggest a pool system, each super team gets 5 million and the rest goes to other teams like all blacks, and local teams in other copetions all square up including Fiji Tonga and Samoa. Yes be fair. Otherwise bad blood will cause a split. Like SA leaving the SANZar super rugby.
In Australia rugby is the poorer cousin. With the better performance in the super rugby maybe a blediso win should be in a better position for fox to give Moore cash
As a South African my worry is the obvious dropp in quality. If Aus and NZ go it alone, what exposure would they have to foreign contests. The game would evolve without them. SA is fine, we are in Europe, but where would NZ and Aus isolating themselvea will drop the quality of their games as they would only have themselves to benchmark against. And bringing in other teams like Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, etc. would not help the cause, because it wont increase the level or quality of their game nearly as much as during the SANZAAR times.
@@Trajan2401 Strongly disagree. They are of the best in the world, but that is because they played against the best in the world. Take that away, even only to a certain extend, and the quality will drop. Iron sharpens iron...
@@Whayden21 er... we are not the best in the world,inf we are dropping down the rankings all the time. We are now isolated down here in time we will become tier 2 - that should make everyone outside NZ very happy.
@@richardscanlan3167 I get why you would think such a notion can make us happy, but it really doesn't NZ is one of those teams you love to hate. I can't imagine a world without NZ rugby. Every victory without a proper NZ outfit competing would be a hollow victory... I need NZ rugby in my life, even if it is as a "enamy".
@@Whayden21 well said. I've had my differences with SA rugby,but i wouldn't wish this on them,or anyone else.In reference to NZ rugby - and even the aussies,I think its too late. We're shot.
the good thing is super rugby is locked in until 2030 but is also kinda sad cause i want sun wolves and jaguars to come back like jaguars were a good team the sun wolves eh but still 14 will be better than 12
Being a Kiwi who has lived in Australia since 1974, Rugby here is a very poor cousin to AFL and League. Current Wallaby coach Dave Rennie has come out against the Aussies going it alone and also the QLD Reds coach Brad Thorne has said they must keep playing New Zealand sides to improve Australian rugby standards. Really Australian Rules or AFL as it is known has the most participation and coverage. League comes in at a very distant second and is concentrated in Queensland and New South Wales. Rugby is played in all states but with very limited participation and coverage.
The participation rates for Rugby have been wildly inflated over the years to bluff the public into believing the game is bigger, so it will attract corporate and media support, but in fact the numbers are tiny, smaller than Ireland.
@@CptRumcan I thought it would be self explanatory. You say,you would like Aus to leave SR - presumably to completely isolate NZ.That doesn't need to happen - NZ is already neutralised. Which only leaves the home unions and France as a threat to SA.And I'm not sure SA will get its own way v those sides. Can't make it any clearer than that:)
Absolutely agree about Japan. I really don't think it makes sense from their point of view. They are trying to build up the game in the country and getting smashed by NZ and OZ isn't going to help their viewership. They dipped their toes in the water with the Sunwolves experiment.
Japan were actually building towards quality, as were the Jaguars. Yet both teams scrapped because not competitive enough. Geez, instant success doesn't happen. Kiwis never happy. I say if Aussies want to link up with Japan, then they should do it. Leave the kiwis to continue smashing the Pacific Islander teams to bolster their own reputation
@@elscruffomcscruffy8371 Actually you are right. Maybe a partnership between oz and japan is a better fit for them. So what if there has been a trans tasmin tradition, the ozzies might be right in thinking that its not to their benefit anymore.
South Africa gave up their own revenue to NZ and Aus … as a partnership for all three. Now these two, after kicking out their golden goose, are bumbling between themselves after having proclaimed themselves partners and “let’s get the jaapies!” And now SA in far more lucrative situation and quickly negotiated relationship with Europe. Did Aus and NZ sign (by not signing) their own rugby death sentence? We’ll see …
Whats the progress on this now? I reckon NZ needs to try get into the European league, they're always going on about how they would thrash the crusaders. Go on then give it a go. We'll have a shorter series earlier in the year and then send our top two, maybe 3 teams north.
Just when I was finally getting over RA cutting the Force all those years ago! 🙄Seriously RA this is so unprofessional sort it out behind closed doors!
Just like NZRU going behind RAs back trying to take two or three teams from Aus for their own comp leaving RA high and dry. I think there is more to this. I hope they sort it out but there is a lot of mistrust between the two
@@ISB021 Yeah there’s a lot more to this than people think. Putting all the blame on RA is a bit disingenuous even though they are everyone’s favourite punching bag mine included.
If they didn't like "the Deal" why sign-up in the 1st place?...........And I would imagine the Aussie Franchises could only get what Stan thought for they were worth, which is a case of "market forces" at work!........ Unfortunately for the Aussies, they aren't worth as much as they think they are!
The Aussies are bluffing. It’s in the best interest of both Nations to work together. They must meet and sort something out that is fair and equatable.
Are we witnessing the collapse of professional rugby in the pacific 😐 New Zealand needs teams to beat up, and Australia needs teams that push them to a higher standard of play.
Are you not on the media electronic media. I do not blame the Australians come on it is a no brainier. both should have the same deal, so you are where you are one gaining more than the other!
Aussie may want to try going it alone for a few years, though it's hard to see them not trying to tweak the game to make it more appealing to league fans... If the above scenario happened, I think a cool idea would be to have the national teams of Fiji, Samoa and Tonga compete in Super Rugby. You could throw in Argentina and the USA Eagles too!
The worst thing that Aussie Rugby was signing a broadcast deal with Foxtel and it will take a good decade with good management moving forward to build Australian Rugby back to a healthy level for all involved.🇦🇺
When has it ever been healthy? It's always punched well above it's weight. It's a relatively small sport. It just doesn't have the numbers or support to ever be healthy.
I'm more interested in how this little "bluff ultimatum" will play out since it's just a threat at the moment, especially when union is second fiddle to league in Aussie land.
I think new zealand needs the ausies in the competition. I just feel bad for the Fijian teams who just joined the super rugby pacific. This definitely doesn't bode well for Australian rugby long term and a bit worrying for the kiwis as well. Do you agree @two cents
Unless I’m missing something I can’t see how it is NZRU fault that ARU got less money from STAN. It was a great competition this year. Would be a shame to see it go in 2024.
They want a profit sharing model ( Australia) but why should The N.Z.R.U. do so how is it beneficial to them in any shape or form. It's not N.Z.R.U's fault Australia rugby union is not as valuable. I think Stan have got the value correct max would be 40 but 30 is more realistic in my view.
@@alanfox691 you miss the point - the aussies are well aware they will get the backing of the saffers,poms - pretty much anyone outside NZ.And McClennan is banking on NZRU folding under the pressure.
A few thoughts, firstly Australia leaving might have a lot to do with generating more Australian interest in Australian rugby ahead of the Australian hosted 2027 Rugby World cup. Right or wrong they probably feel that getting beaten by NZ sides for the next 5 years won't help them build support and won't give them much of a shot of winning it. Secondly as a NZ rugby fan it seems to me that the NZRU can't get anything what so ever right anymore, can NZ sustain its own Super rugby competition? Probably not indefinitely. Which is a problem as SANZAAR has long since killed the goose that laid the golden egg in terms of super rugby. So that potentially means that they may need to get more of a premium product out of NPC, only they have mucked with that to the point that it's a non sensical farce. I feel that a 12 team NPC professional "premiership" with one single round robin leading to semi finals and a final is a clear way to go. Leaving an amateur Heartland "championship" probably played in north and south "conferences" in a double round robin with a interisland finals series. I also think the NZRU probably has the most to gain of anyone by helping to organise a proper international "champions" club competition and they they sold a percentage of they're commercial revenue far to cheaply when you think about other deals going on in the sports world. While I'm at it, if they muck up this Irish series then Foster should fall on his sword so they can install Robertson and start sorting out all the other messes that have been made.
As an Aussie fan I can afford to pay $240 a year for Stan, I can't afford to pay $720 a year for Foxtel. Part of the Stan deal also meant a certain number of SR games on free to air, so without Stan I wouldn't be watching SR. Since then Fox has been the one to break 'drama' within RA multiple times. Make of that what you will. One thing I'd like to know is how much financial responsibility RA has shouldered for the Drua, I could be wrong and am happy to be corrected because I'm genuinely curious but I believe that RA has supported them pretty heavily. I could see an argument for some of that NZRU deal being used to support both expansion teams more than they currently do. I can't see them go it alone either. I feel like this is a storm in a teacup.
Yeah man I meant to mention the free to air factor. And I have heard about Fox's troubles as well.. they seem to be spearheading a fair bit of anti-union stuff which is why I was initially skeptical when the story broke from Fox
Also, interesting that these conversations are happening considering there's a lot of conversation in Wales about getting rid of the regions in Wales and going back to the old club system.
During the Super Rugby this year, you were lucky to see a single article in the papers about Rugby Union in Australia. Hidden away between netball and the horses.
Season 1 "...Deal..." outcome, ARU = 11M, NZRU = 63M. That is what they earned this year 22 Season 2 "...Deal..." outcome, ARU = ??M, NZRU = ??M. That is what they can earn year 23 Season 3 "...Deal..." outcome, ARU = ??M, NZRU = ???M. That is what they may earn year 24 ARU can not survive on this...
Ive being here almost 13 years, I can say hand on heart, here in Melbourne and even Sydney they dont care about Rugby THAT much. Its AFL and NRL that dominate. So I mean, the deal makes sense then doesnt it. Aussies will find ANYTHING to complain about. If they leave, we will never see them leave the pool stages of a rugby world cup again as their seasonal games wont be anywhere near as competitive.
…food for thought - may it be carefully considered in the very best interest of the Game rather than mula only, hey? After all - R E L A T I O N S H I P S count heavily, Two Cents!? Thank you.
I personally think Australia should form their own league and try to have a champions cup like competition with New Zealand, Japan and maybe Argentina if they can get a professional rugby competition sorted.
Australia is going to suffer from Australia is going to leave Super Rugby TBH; Australia won't get experience playing vs New Zealand teams.. Rugby Austrlia should look why their deal is not that huge; Rugby Union in Australia face competition vs Rugby League and also Aussie Rule while New Zealand Rugby don't have much other competition other then Rugby League only...
Well in australia rugby union has a stigma of being the private school boys game. And maybe a domestic league would help change that. Could be great for Australian rugby union to have more than just state teams. Maybe get some state schools to start playing union.
What happens if we sign on and don’t perform as well as NZ wishes us to and they kick us out like they were about to? Where does that leave RA? I guarantee Australian rugby would be dead at that point as it’s already on life support.
I don't think this will work for New Zealand or Australia I'm guessing you're going to have to add more teams the NRL 16 teams and the AFL have 18 teams that's a lot of content for TV broadcast Australia with the starter competition ill have to increase the numbers of teams and New Zealand will probably have to do to say 5 teams constantly repeating playing each other will get very boring and broadcast it'll want to have lots of games. I think they have to work together and have the format for the next 10 years stabiliser competition the chopping and changing of super rugby every couple of years in good for the competition I agree this conducting the business in the media is stupid.
I reckon it's pretty poor to negotiate, and by definition as the game is ongoing, agree on a contract. And then whine about the terms later on. If we Aussies had an issue with this, it should have been resolved as part of the negotiation. Fox, lost their rights to the Super Rugby by being outbid by Stan/Nine for it. Fox, has a vested interest in making it so their bid can be lower - and still get the Rugby. This change would make it so they get exactly what they always shoot for in the Aussie media, someone else paying for them to get a monopoly over something. First they got the Australian people to pay for them to have a special deal to have exclusive access to Aussie sport (which they then have to pay for). Now they want the Kiwi people to pay them more to do the same thing. Total bullshit. Their business model is cactus, so instead of fixing that, they just screw everyone over they can. They're completely toxic to competition and this just proves it.
I think this is def a money driven issue for the two unions and I suspect they will end figuring something out tbh... my issue is the competitiveness of the comp... As an Aussie I feel the nz franchises are to strong and, while better this year, our teams struggle to compete consistently.... As result the interest in oz has significantly dropped over past decade hence the low ball tv deal... yes, we could go back to 3 stronger teams but that worsens the huge issue we have of player drain to cashed up european clubs and league. I would prefer to see more nz teams to spread the talent around around your country. I think 8-10 nz teams (inc Pasifika) with 5 ozi + drua would be ideal in terms of a more competitive comp... nz rugby given full authority to choose 7-9 franchises as they see fit... would prob involve a provincial re-alignment... question is will a cashed up nz rugby do it? prob not as 7-9 super teams may not be in the best interest of the AB’s 🤔🤷♂️🤔... but if they don’t I fear Super Rugby’s day are numbered... maybe not in 2024 but probably in the next 5 years tbh
The only guys I feel sorry for is the Argentinians. Left high and dry because of the break up. I hope World Rugby helps them there to adjust to one or other pro competition.
