i wanted to take a break from serious topics but this was way too serious to ignore btw join the next stream tomorrow, last week's was Lord Farquaad as you can see but tomorrow i'll be debuting the new one 🃏 twitch.tv/dangelno
I'll be honest simple videos are possibly my favourites dramas and serious topics are not my thing, but this is more than serious. Im simple, you call shrek bad i will find you
I would argue it's the closest thing to an objective flaw that Shrewk has - others, including Disney eventually, saw that deconstructing fairytales and poking fun at their tropes and archetypes was lucrative and have been trying to replicate its success for years. More like a humblebrag tho
"Shoddy animation" Okay, I was THERE when these movies were being made and talked about. I was also very present before that, when Toy Story first kicked off the rise of 3D animated films. From Day 1, sneak peaks from the production of Shrek were blowing our tiny little minds with its animation. Even today, it still stands up surprisingly well. Dreamworks did amazing work with fur and skin textures, realistic movements (sans motion capture!), lighting, expressions... they completely blew it out of the water. Completely. It took ages to render because the technology was less advanced and they didn't cut corners. You can put Shrek 2--actually, the first 2 movies--side by side with animated movies made over a decade later and it STILL impresses. Sure, maybe you can make arguments about animation quality from an animator's standpoint. But as a viewer? It's fantastic. Have you SEEN the texture of the velvet on her dress? It was 2001! Two-thousand freaking one! Bioware's pre-rendered ME: Andromeda cutscenes from 2017 couldn't even touch the realism of Shrek's expressions and movements. This journalist has NO EYES. That is the only explanation I can muster.
i went to college for animation and I personally think the animation is amazing. is it dated? sure, it came out 20 years ago when 3D animation was only just getting started. but it by no means “bad” animation.
Fun fact: there’s this term called “Shrek’s law” where, for every Shrek sequel that comes out, each movie has two times more rendering hours than the previous one.
@@cc.varnis it also gave the strong message of loving yourself, even when the world sees you as a monster, and that you don't need a man to fix you (in Fiona's case, which also flips fairy tales on their head). Shrek, like onions, has LAYERS and they are GOOD
This seems personal. Like maybe his parents announced that they were getting divorced while he was watching shrek. or maybe he got bullied over liking the movie and this is an over correction.
I think if he phrased it “I don’t like this movie, here’s why” instead of “this movie sucks and everyone should hate it, here’s why” it would be fine. But they didn’t so get the torches.
Exactly. I personally can’t stand Shrek, but all of his points are ridiculous and nit picky. Less of a review and more of a hit piece. Did a green, Scottish swamp monster steal his toys, kill his parents, and suck away his lifetime supply of joy?
Did you know that Shrek “was fuelled by anti-Disney sentiments” and Lord Farquaad (whose name is supposed to sound like f*ckwad) was modelled to look like the Disney CEO at the time Michael Eisner? Apparently the producer of Shrek used to work for him and hated him. It’s pretty funny to read about
It's one thing to hate on Shrek but Dreamworks as an entire company??? Hello??? Prince of Egypt??? Kung Fu Panda??? How to Train Your Dragon??? Literally some of the best animation I've ever seen of all time. Prince of Egypt is honestly such a work of art, it belongs in a museum.
he sounds like a disney adult whos mad about people poking fun at him and his obsession with fairy tales and thinks the root problem is the ripple affect of shrek in the way the it changed the cultural perspective many people have on fairy tales and particularly disney rather than him just being a lil weird.
Fun fact: I went to a small courthouse wedding (5 guests) and for the reception, we went to the house and watched Shrek 2 because it’s a great story about marriage and the importance of communication and unconditional love.
this article feels like it was written by a Disney adult who’s mad that one of the most iconic children’s movie of all time that people still love was done by Dreamworks
Fiona and Shrek have PORES. The fire is AMAZING for the time period. The animation was ahead of its time by a large margin. Look at 3D films from the same time and the animation for most of them is plastic-y and flat at the same time. The textures of the clothing, hair, and the lighting for Shrek is exquisite in comparison.
My partner didn't like Shrek prior to me meeting him due to a dislike of Mike Meyers. The gateway drug to liking him was Austin Powers and then I threw on Shrek and he actually liked it. He didn't LOVE it but he did buy me the 20th anniversary steel book copy which is good enough to me 😂💕
I thought you said “ I know there are people who like Jeffree star James Charles and Shane Dawson” and I was like “yeah of course they don’t like them for a good reason” but reading it again this is super funny lmao
The phrase "high brow" refers to the racist idea that white people's skulls were bigger and had better browlines than black people's, thus making them inherently smarter than black people, whose small, low-browed minds could not think as well. Please get your racism out of a black man's comment section, thanks.
@@junjunjamore7735 only a six year difference, and in the grand scheme of film history, that wasn’t a lot. I think it was the ... 5th(?) completely cgi animated movie after the first two toy stories, antz, and a bugs life.
I still believe either animation is pretty amazing when it’s a kids film, weird looking animals and creatures and what I picture animated princess look like! Remember what our computer and video games looked like 🤷🏾♀️
It's even funnier that this salty "writer" misses the message of it satirizing Disney rather than just fairytales in general. It's like he read the summary of Shrek and then got pissed off at that and shit out an article. Shrek is unironically an amazing film and I will not take this slander
Yeah, it's funny because Disney itself skewered Fairy Tales and made them into jokes. Fairy tales are usually not happy. I mean, look at The Little Mermaid. She's turns into sea foam because she couldn't kill the prince (the same prince that chose someone else over her). But yeah, Shrek totally ruined fairy tales.
@@khatunamezvrishvili6211 hell, Farquaad is literally a reference to someone at Disney that Katzenberg had beef with, hence the constant 'haha he short' jokes and the name sounding like 'fuckwad'
This movie was wayyyyyy ahead of its time especially in terms of themes like not judging people from the outside and Fiona being a strong female character. Revolutionary movie and so much better than the mindless trash Disney produced
And it's sequels also hold true to the morals that the first movie is based on... And also they didn't suck.. Unlike other movies whose sequels end up being disappointing
Literally 90% of this guy’s complaints is “but they made a lot of movies INSPIRED by Shrek later :( :( :(“ ..... a lot of studios tried to be Disney, too. Including Dreamworks lol
@@alkaidc9862 Instead of blaming the copycats for missing the point or nuances of the original, this guy blamed the original for inspiring the copycats. What?
Yeah @Booty Crusader (to some degree you're right about DreamWorks in that vain, I credit you there), but hopefully that comment's not aimed at stuff like "Don Bluth Films" and "Don Bluth Productions". (Don Bluth made FOX's Anastasia). People went after it saying "Trying to be Disney". Weird response! Wanna know why it's a weird response? - Don Bluth had been a Disney employee and collaborator; for crying out loud! (And a lot of his staff were also Disney Alumni) It was thanks to him that Disney's Sleeping Beauty was a thing for example. So I agree with the sentiment but it also annoys me when you can tell people haven't done their homework before running their mouths; thinking they know what they're talking about when they don't. It's 'consistency' and 'loyalty' and 'homage' to perform any skill whether it be drawing/art/animation/illustration or writing or whatever like the place you got your training and experience; not 'copying', 'laziness' and 'wannabe-like'. That'd be my first point. The other question I'd pose is why is it a 'sin' for a Disney artist of Disney quality - clearly - to still draw and write at Disney-level when he's working on his own (at the 'helm', I guess) projects? That makes no sense. It's basically saying "Unless you're calling stuff 'Disney', you Disney guys need to turn it down a notch and wrestle below your weight-bracket - even though it'll make your film less than what it could be - so that those of us who don't have Disney-level skills ourselves don't feel bad or get upset because of our own insecurities". It both doesn't make any sense and shows just how far people's jealousy will go. I swear - some people's brains have 75% of the cells not working sometimes (that comments at people who don't do their research; not necessarily you or anybody else commenting). So yeah, that's my 2 (thousand) cents worth on that particular issue. Fun fact: And this proves that it takes 'big' individuals to 'not' get upset and jealous and envious and selfish/self-serving; even before Disney owned the rights to some of Don Bluth's personally-made stuff, his whole production team were quite happy to have Disney to play his "All Dogs Do To Heaven: The Series" (a tv show that follows All Dogs Go To Heaven 2 and precedes An All Dogs Christmas Carol) on their platforms/channels at the time it came out and Disney were quite happy to play it. So it went both ways. There was no "you can suck it" attitude from either side.
In this article: "Shrek is bad because I ignored everything that has been said about its artistic merits. Also you can't write a story if someone else has already written something like this before. Also you can't make fun of fairy tales because they're good and I like it."
"Shrek is bad because in a movie about fairy tales, dragons, and a giant ogre, a toilet flushing is anachronistic" - the author of this failed hit piece on our beloved classic.
The phenomenon of using big name actors in animated movies to draw audiences wasn't even started by Shrek. This guy should know it was Disney's Aladdin using Robin Williams that made that popular.
@@zuzukram Actually (not talking about Shrek, I love Shrek, but in general) this phenomenon has been really bad for people in the voice acting industry. It used to be that people who dedicated themselves to the craft of voice acting, which is pretty different from regular acting, and had no celebrity status, could potentially make it into any big project. But when studios realized they could get people to come to theaters with a big name regardless of that celebrity's experience with or talent for voice acting, it became virtually impossible for actual voice actors to get the big gigs. This might not sound like much, but consider the random pop stars who get shoved into a movie who might not even care about the project and are there for the big check the studio is writing to them.
@@k-popbiased1058 thankfully the anime and indie industries have been shifting that dynamic. There are only so many big name artists they can hire before a voice production gets too expensive to produce. Viewers can do a lot to shift the dynamic too.
When someone says the animation on an old film was shit because it doesn't hold up to animated films made 20 years later, you know they dont have any merit.
i could get saying it didn't age well (like the laser special effects in rocky horror absolutely did not age well) but shrek aged fine so i don't see the issue
@@the-postal-dudeTHIS OMG. like HOW is it that moana and elsa AND anna ANND that new movie they’re coming out with all have main characters with the exact same face 😑
I mean I agree that the author is probably just a pretentious Disney fan with an individuality complex, but popular, widely loved things can be pretty shit. It is an opinion article, after all
D'Angelo: "Grimm is not the bible..." Germans: "NoW LiSTeN HerE yOu liTtle..." Edit:Now this is obviously a joke but come to think of it Disney has been changing original fairytale for a long time. Why is it suddenly so bad when DreamWorks does it...
the chat in the end asking for help while he was promising nobody was being held hostage shows the chemistry he was able to create with his audience, that was wholesome
There are arguments to be made out of cheap or unnecessary potty humor, but clearly shrek is a smarter use of potty humor so he didn’t know how to make that argument
@@itslapisnotbob8368 I can understand criticizing Shrek the third for its usage of potty humor, but the original two both use it much better, and have more to offer than just that.
@@directorforplastic7929 Exactly! Plus, it’s a story starring an *ogre* . Of course it’d have toilet humor! And it doesn’t come off as gratuitous the way the dude was arguing. 🙄
Bro the moment Fiona realized she was still worthy of love in her ogre form taught girls everywhere that fairytale like the Little Mermaid that require you to fundamentally change yourself or hide a huge part of yourself is NOT true love
The saddest part about The Little Mermaid is that she isn't even in love with her prince, she just has a kink for humans. Any human would do, she's like a weeaboo encountering a Japanese person - she's just earning for an idealized Other, she's not even sacrificing part of herself out of actual love.
@@morganqorishchi8181 whoa, id never thought about it that way, youre right. that adds a whole extra layer of dysfunction to the classic disney princess marriage-at-first-sight romance
“That’s a nice boulder. I like that boulder.” Proves it’s a 10/10 Iconic film. My Mother and I have been saying that to eachother for well over a decade.
Journalism IS dead when your hate-clickbait article can't even hate on something properly. Guy may as well have written "shrek is bad: I was paid to say it but I don't agree"
Once he said "know-it-all attitude towards classics" I knew this was some veiled Disney propaganda piece sponsored by Michael Eisner who's still salty that they made him Lord Farquaad
WTF? It sounds like his editor assigned him this story and then said, "We need it to be edgy and controversial". He was like, "How tf do you make an article about the Shrek anniversary controversial?!" So he just took all the good points about the film and twisted it up to sound like bad things. Done!
"I'm told that my argument here is so persuasive that SHREK has been removed from the National Film Registry..." Oh really, ScOtT?! Guess who just checked the registry and guess what's still on there?
The one scene from ‘Shrek 2’ that really engraved itself in my brain was when the big giant gingerbread cookie attacked the Far Far Away town, Godzilla-style, and the Starbucks customers ran for their lives to the other Starbucks across the street. That’s when I knew, ‘Shrek’ is really self-aware and relevant with the pop culture 👌👌🤣🤣 Gingy and Puss are also LEGENDARY characters so, this ‘Too-biased’ person needs a moviecation 😝
Shrek is one of the movies that made a sequel and everyone loved it cough cough Disney cough cough Mulan two cough cough Mulan live action cough cough stop making sequels Disney oh wow don’t know why am coughing so much maybe take my advice Disney 😷
Everyone is talking about cancel culture, mass shootings and how the US is turning into the flashback scenes in Handmaid’s Tale before it became Gilead (it is) but I just wanna crawl back into the womb and listen to the Shrek soundtrack on 🔁
This is grotesque. Shrek teaches girls you can be yourself. It also humanizes the others and I like that. He had so many film options to criticize but chose one of the only ones I feel comfortable showing my younger family members.
I just really appreciate that D’Angelo always highlights the text he’s reading. I get so stressed out when I am shown a wall of text and the person reading it starts in the middle of the text! Good job D’Angelo!
Shrek is a Masterpiece in the concept of self love and a goddamn princess who doesn't have a 9 inch waist (glares at Disney). Also like tbh one of the true jumping off points of the obscureness of internet meme culture is Shrek.
yea like not to get emotional on main but fiona was one of the only female characters that made me as a little girl feel like being pretty wasnt the most important thing in my life. shrek was..... geniunely a very feminist movie lol
I once wrote and directed a 15 minute play in high school called “how the shrek are ya?” About how shrek is a representation of our emotions and our interpersonal thoughts, feeling and relationships. It was pretty lit.
Loved it as a kid and now that I'm an adult, I love it even more. Honestly, it's the closest thing that has gotten to Mel-Brooks-style humor/comedy that's not from the man himself. Shrek is love, Shrek is life.
It’s nuts that this writer is blaming Shrek for modern cynicism towards fairy tales. I mean, I also find that kind of nitpicking and cynicism irritating but I really don’t think Shrek is an example of that. It makes fun of fairy tales, but it still engages with them in a way that’s genuine. We can’t exactly blame Shrek for its shitty knockoffs who didn’t get it
This writer really said “ animation can’t progress as a medium and the programs used can’t get better, anything made in 2000 must have had the same tools and experience behind it as something made in 2020”
This whole article almost seems like bait like the person writing it keeps referencing how good it is and then overtly smashing it on really insignificant things it just feels like bait for people to come out and talk about and defend shrek almost making this article good publicity for the anniversary
seriously im watching this video for the second time and maybe its just cause i got dumb brain but the whole FREAKING ARTICLE compliments shrek. if the articles goal was to bash shrek and prove it was only funny because of its time it did not achieve it. like i read this article and i get "shrek is a really good movie heres some dumb nitpicks happy anniversary"
Imagine a mainstream publication ripping apart The Exorcism for "poor effects" and being "overrated". Bro, for the time period it was a phenomenon, and as such remains iconic to this day.
Apparently, this reviewer missed the underlying message behind the movie regarding the tendency of human beings to marginalize other groups of human beings for random, made up reasons. I can see how the humor at the surface might not be to everyone's taste, but Shrek was definitely unique in making fun of fairytales, which is humorous on it's own.
okay, but I was today years old when it finally clicked that there was a WORKING TOILET in an OUTHOUSE in Shrek. like, I really was out here thinking that was normal
I’m genuinely shocked Shrek 1-3 isn’t a requirement in all film classes. It is an absolutely cinematic masterpiece, can’t believe people would prefer citizen kane instead 🤢
I literally HAVE to take offense to this article because I acted in Shrek the Musical and this was the final play before the BEST (unanimous) theater teacher retired. I wasn't Shrek himself but I was Papa Bear, so it was legendary. This article not only goes against the movie, but also one of the biggest achievements that my theater teacher ever did, which was to somehow still have a live stage play of Shrek while keeping it safe for everyone involved, from the main cast to the audience.
