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Authorized Personnel Only - How to Start and Sync a 400,000 Watt Turbine Hydroelectric Generator 

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@swimspud
@swimspud 2 года назад
I work for a very large utility on the west coast in their hydro electric division. We're not allowed to show anyone the insides of the powerhouses and how they work (no public photography), so this is so cool that you are able to make these videos and show people how amazing Hydropower is!
@equisetuminc
@equisetuminc Год назад
I was invited to tour one built in 1903 and it was one of the most exciting days of my lifetime. Waiting to hear if I can fly over it; one of the reasons I got my FAA sUAS license and registered my drone with the FAA.
@NickM20985
@NickM20985 11 месяцев назад
Back in 1996, me dad and I literally knocked on the power house entrance door to the Hetch Hetchy Dam in Moccasin, Dude answered very confused as to who we were. My dad explained we were just fishing at Don Pedro and drove by the powerhouse and wondered if they did tours. The guy readily let us in and showed us the control room, went down below the generator, saw the commutator. Was pretty awesome, they also let us take pictures. 90's was a very different time though. Today, the power house we walked up to and knocked on the door, now access is blocked off from several hundred feet away with barbwire fencing.
@VitoVeccia
@VitoVeccia 11 месяцев назад
​@@NickM20985one more reason why I miss the 80's/90's.
@procactus9109
@procactus9109 11 месяцев назад
Just make the recordings, you can release the videos many years later. This one has almost 500,000 views... Think about it, I'll thankyou later :)
@TymexComputing
@TymexComputing 11 месяцев назад
You have just "somehow" admitted that your West Coast hydro-power plant looks alike ;) without showing pictures of that one ;)
@principals16842
@principals16842 9 месяцев назад
I think this finally explains a story my grandfather told me many years ago about his time working in the power plant of a cement factory in the middle of the last century. He was bringing up a generator off a weir on the river and described a dial which I now understand to be a synchroscope. Grandpa messed up very badly while trying to get it in sync with PP&L and said the whole plant shook as for a few seconds the generator looked like it was trying to rip itself out of the ground. He saw some of the big bosses running down from the front office with what he was sure would be his pink slip. Grandpa managed to spin the generator back up and get it synchronized just before they arrived and then made a big show of playing dumb, walking around and inspecting all the gauges. With everything humming along perfectly, the bosses just shrugged and went back to the front office, leaving him to, and with, his job.
@beekeeper6109
@beekeeper6109 5 месяцев назад
Must be from the Lehigh Valley!
@richardbell7678
@richardbell7678 4 месяца назад
It is the load angle. The load angle between generator and the grid determines the direction and magnitude of the power transfer between the grid and the generator. At the top of the synchro scope is zero, which transfers no power. Going clockwise, 3:00 is maximum power from the generator to the grid. The power drops to zero, at 6:00. past 6:00, the grid drives the generator like a motor, with the maximum power at 9:00. As the angle goes back to the top, the power driving the generator drops to zero. The goal is to close the relay as the synchro scope needle passes 12:00, while the generator is rotating slightly faster than the grid frequency. At zero, the grid puts no load on the generator, so the generator continues ahead, until the power to the grid counteracts the accelerating power applied to the turbine (but only if the load angle does not pass 3:00, before the generator matches the grid frequency). What can go wrong? If the excitation is too low, the grid will not draw enough power slow the generator into synchronism. The load angle passes 3:00 and even passes 6:00, where the generator flips to being a motor and the torque on drive shaft flips. This can produce vibrations. if you have a brain fart and close the relay when the pointer is at zero, but the generator frequency and grid frequency are not even close, the torque reversals happen at twice the beat frequency and things will shake violently. Even just missing the zero angle can produce large current transients, which could cause vibrations.
@hanslepoeter5167
@hanslepoeter5167 4 месяца назад
Well, if you close the switch it will sync one way or another. It will just be a violent event if not pre synced.
@kipngenovincent5970
@kipngenovincent5970 4 месяца назад
​@@richardbell7678Richard I like your understanding of synchronization.
@johntu7484
@johntu7484 3 месяца назад
That's an incredible story! It sounds like your grandfather had quite the close call at the power plant. The synchroscope definitely played a crucial role in preventing a disaster. It's amazing to hear about these firsthand experiences and how critical proper synchronization is to keep everything running smoothly. Your grandpa's quick thinking and ability to get the generator back in sync just in time must have been a real lifesaver. Thanks for sharing this fascinating piece of history! It adds a whole new layer of appreciation for the challenges faced by those who keep our power systems running. #PowerPlantStories #EngineeringHeroes #SynchroscopeSavesTheDay
@Whatsinanameanyway13
@Whatsinanameanyway13 3 года назад
"Somewhere there's a bass fisherman half a mile up the river, wondering just what the hell is going on, as some idiot is learning how to bring a power plant online"
@dkeithtag
@dkeithtag 3 года назад
You just saved that fish’s life.
@brustdiesel
@brustdiesel 7 месяцев назад
Idiot? Really? Have you ever done it?
@ChiliBass
@ChiliBass 3 года назад
Thanks so much for making this video! I'm an electrical engineer and I've always been fascinated with the power grid and I really appreciate the opportunity to look behind the scenes. I almost went the "Power" route out of school but chose control systems and signal processing. No regrets, but I still get a thrill seeing big systems do their thing. Thanks again!
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for being an Engineer! You're making the world a better place and I appreciate it!
@kimmer6
@kimmer6 2 года назад
ChiliBass..... I have AGM and lithium battery banks and inverters. Starting about 5 years ago, our power would go out 4-5 times a year from a few minutes to 47 hours. Being a smarty pants during power outages, at night I would turn on every light, open my windows, and play Innagaddadavida on my bass guitar with the amp cranked up. Sometimes I would run the vacuum, other times I played War of the Worlds with the sound cranked up. It made the neighbors down the valley wonder why I had power and didn't hear a generator running. In 2019 I cooked our Thanksgiving turkey on batteries when a truck hit a power pole in the rain at night. Now I lay low and don't show off as things are getting pretty serious these days and I don't want uninvited guests ripping me off.
@sootikins
@sootikins 2 года назад
Another controls guy here... loved the video. I know a little about generation but not enough to even think of starting up a unit - lol. I enjoy it when I get chances to play with big stuff, e.g. doing controls for a 1,000 ton refrigeration plant. There's something kinda exciting about hitting a key on the laptop and hearing/feeling 4500HP worth of compressors spinning up!
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 2 года назад
Can you imagine what it takes to start up a nuclear power plant.
@allahsnackbar9915
@allahsnackbar9915 2 года назад
@@kimmer6 now i aint asking about your batteries, but rather why the fuck your power went out 47 hours at a time. also wondering how you get by, cause up here we be compensated by the power company for anything over seven hours and i barely get by
@askomiko
@askomiko 2 года назад
I kid you not: here in Finland, in 2016 a drunken guy broke into a hydroelectric power plant and started pressing all and any buttons he could find. The end result was one blown up 1.5 megawatt generator. I'd love to have seen that. He should have taken a time machine and watch this video I guess!
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 2 года назад
Now that's a security video I'd like to see. :)
@JukoYT
@JukoYT 2 года назад
Hmm Finlad? 2016? Was tgat by chance the guy from the game called Infra?
@jbdbean242
@jbdbean242 2 года назад
Dang. Hope security has been greatly improved since then, especially now.
@alouisschafer7212
@alouisschafer7212 Год назад
Why is there always a drunk guy involved any time some crazy stuff happens in Finland?
@TheLukasDirector
@TheLukasDirector 11 месяцев назад
​@@alouisschafer7212Because most guys in Finland are drunk most of the time. So any time it involves a guy, he's most likely also drunk.
@sb.sb.sb.
@sb.sb.sb. 3 года назад
as a PhD student in power systems, your videos keep me alive as i write my thesis
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Awesome! :) I'm sincerely glad you're watching. Send me a copy when you finish it and GOOD LUCK!
@sb.sb.sb.
@sb.sb.sb. 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck yes, and I will use your videos to teach students about synchronizing. much better than reading textbooks! details
@randacnam7321
@randacnam7321 3 года назад
@@sb.sb.sb. Having taught in and ran an EE college power lab for over 2 years, can confirm that these are better than any textbook. Even Earl and Traister.
@ronaldwoofer5024
@ronaldwoofer5024 2 года назад
yea on how a simple system on a raspberry pi can do all of this without human error.
@Max-bm5xj
@Max-bm5xj 2 года назад
To Synchronize: Same Voltage Same Frequency In fase Fase order had to be right (L1-L1, L2-L2, L3-L3)
@kls2020
@kls2020 3 года назад
Typically when you initiate a "Start" on a hydro unit the governor will open the gate servo to a preset "Speed no load " position to roll the generator off close to synchronous speed . Excitation to the generator field can then be applied either manually or initiated automatically by a speed switch (now you will see generator AC voltage slowly building up on the volt meters) . Generator output frequency and voltage can now be matched to the bus frequency and voltage by slowly increasing the water flow applied to the turbine to adjust the frequency and the field current applied to increase or decrease generator output voltage being compared to the bus AC values . With a properly tuned governor you should be able to adjust the generator speed so the sync scope is slowly moving in a clockwise (gen freq faster than bus freq) and every time the pointer passes through 12 O'clock on the meter the generator is momentarily in sync with the bus and the generator breaker can be closed just before 12 O'clock (allowing for Generator breaker closing speed and slip frequency )synchronizing the generator to the grid . After synchronizing you can load the generator by increasing the governor speed setpoint and putting more water on the turbine . The generator speed cannot increase now as it is held at 60 hertz by the grid you will see watts increase out of the generator now with the water increase . If you were to adjust the speed setpoint down now to the point where you are not producing generator watts output you are then "Motoring " the generator but generator frequency will remain at 60 Hz. held by the grid . Increasing or decreasing the generator field current will result in Vars out , unity power factor . or Vars in condition but that is a lesson for another day. Hope this helps people who expressed interest.
@JimLahey21
@JimLahey21 2 года назад
My old friend reverse power
@WarpFactor999
@WarpFactor999 2 года назад
Excellent description! I never sync'd a hydro unit, but routinely synced 2MW generators on a nuke sub to shore power, and each to each other. (Many years ago.) Same technique. However, with 4MW of power tying to the grid, you have to be careful you don't blow up shore power breakers and feeder lines. (I've seen this happen and it's pretty spectacular.) Subs back in the day also had a pair of 10 ton motor / generator sets to go between the ships battery and the big steam driven generators. These MG sets could either charge the battery or take power from the battery and supply the ship's AC loads when the steam driven generators were off line. On one sub, along side the pier, went to sync the MG set to the generator on that side. The electricians mate had the MG set going way way to fast to sync and closed the breaker almost exactly 180 degrees out of phase. The MG set was ripped off of its mounts and bounced around the lower machinery space causing considerable damage. Blew up the shore power breaker as well. They were in dry dock for quite a while to fix that boo boo. No, because the MG speed control was out of whack causing the MG speed to go up and down like a yo-yo. The engineer and CO were getting impatient and told the EM to close the breaker on the next time it crossed sync, not realizing that it takes time for the big MG set breaker to close. By the time it closed, the the MG had already jumped to the 180 degree out position. So, it was the CO's fault.
@isettech
@isettech 2 года назад
I know a later reply, but to prevent motoring of the generator, most protection circuits have a reverse power protection relay that drops the breaker if the power in exceeds about 5% of the system capacity. This is why instead of matching speed, then phase, then closing the breaker, most sets are run slightly fast so when the phase passes 12:00 the breaker is closed and there is forward power generation. Otherwise a bounce against the grid will trip the protection when the power reversed on the bounce.
@shadwenemo1798
@shadwenemo1798 2 года назад
yes thx
@leskobrandon538
@leskobrandon538 2 года назад
Agreed...
@julioczar6470
@julioczar6470 2 года назад
Exactly what I needed to know! :) I was struggling to start my 400,000 watt turbine hydroelectric generator after a reboot. I should mail it back for a refund.
@johnr5252
@johnr5252 3 месяца назад
You must be stupid. Everyone knows this. LOL!
@beefgoat80
@beefgoat80 4 месяца назад
I always enjoy watching people love what they do. My wife catalogs art for an auction house, and she loves it. I am a watchmaker, and I love it. We were both 40 when we started on these respective paths. Don't give up on a dream kids! It's never too late to start something new.
@bobdhitman
@bobdhitman 4 месяца назад
I started late as an apprentice and became a heavy duty journeyman mechanic at 36. I’m now considering going to university in engineering but it seems incredibly daunting and almost impossible. Your message gives me hope! Thank
@thermionic1234567
@thermionic1234567 3 месяца назад
I agree. I love watching watch-making videos for content as well as for the enthusiasm of guys like the Nekkid Watchmaker.
@lmiddleman
@lmiddleman 2 года назад
Always amazed to realize, that as a plant like this connects and ramps up its power output, _all the other plants on the grid back off by the same amount_ , keeping everything in balance.
@ef2718
@ef2718 2 года назад
Correct, however this just a 400kW turbine-generator.
@Dutch3DMaster
@Dutch3DMaster 2 года назад
And that (at least in Europe) other plants will be informed prior to the startup to avoid causing a voltage spike and causing a cascade failure because security systems would otherwise see it as a serious problem and switch off. Which could case other plants to notice a drop, consider it a possible short in the high voltage grid and to prevent damage, switch off plant output.
@exi
@exi 2 года назад
@@Dutch3DMaster I doubt anyone was informed of that 350kw startup. When we get a fault in our induction smelting we instantly offline about 1-4MW of load without any consequences for the grid. The grid provider once also dropped our whole plant to save an overloading connection on their part. This is why you want a big synchronized power grid as it can absorb more fluctuations.
@jonsen2k
@jonsen2k 2 года назад
@@exi I'm guessing the threshold for when planning needs to be done is dependent on the size and capacity of the other units nearby. But, yeah. Did measurements on a 25MW turbine for a full day once and had to have full local control of the thing, ramping up and down, starting and stopping as we needed. Apart from a phone call to the grid controller basically letting them know that we were assuming full control of the plant for the day, there were no requirements of us to actually keep them posted on what we were doing and when. Though obviously the start-stop procedure was taken care of by the governor. We were the ones changed the wicket gate opening manually after it was hooked on.
@HarrisonFrith-cr4ie
@HarrisonFrith-cr4ie 11 месяцев назад
@@Dutch3DMaster It wouldn't raise voltage on the grid? It would increase the grid frequency but the other generators will back off to maintain grid frequency
@trevorhansen1940
@trevorhansen1940 3 года назад
"My butthole is doing an impression of a rabbit's nose." You sir have gained a new subscriber off that line.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
LMFAO, thank you! It's always good to have a man of culture join the fray.
@trevorhansen1940
@trevorhansen1940 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck Happy to be here. Hope you like some SALT in your comments, cause I'm here to laugh. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
he he he, live show starts in 5 minutes. You're welcome to hop in the discord and see just how deep the rabbit hole goes. discord.gg/KhTKWE3gCC I'm on every night at 10pm Eastern on the live channel.
@BacklTrack
@BacklTrack 7 месяцев назад
That caught my attention so quick
@Nthsey
@Nthsey 3 месяца назад
Had to make sure someone in the comments caught this.
@erikk77
@erikk77 2 года назад
This takes me back to my Navy days onboard an Oliver Hazard Perry (FFG-7) frigate. As an Electric Plant Control Console operator, I got really good at synchronizing to "shore power" and picking up or removing the grid power. Four Stewart Stevenson V16 diesel engines capable of generaterating about 750 kW each.
@kevincrosby1760
@kevincrosby1760 Год назад
Pretty much same here, but with 4 600-PSI steam turbine generators. Around 900 Kw each. There was a sign above the control console which said "Double-check! The National Power Grid WILL win the argument".
@miketaggart3803
@miketaggart3803 8 месяцев назад
I used to help overhaul those v16 engines at SIMA mayport on those FFGs. At my first command in Newfoundland, we had 900KW diesel generators. I got to sync them up to “shore power”, and take over the load for the building that absolutely could not lose power. Then sync up shore power to the genny and secure the diesel when the power from the island had stabilized. I remember being nervous has bell when I had to do alone before my petty officer came in,
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 2 года назад
During 1960s when U.K. was building big coal fired plants they had a few synchronising accidents. One unit was grid connected 180 degrees out of phase (probably an instrument fault we don’t know) the rotor was spat out of the stator and thrown out of the building. Your 100 tons of rotating mass will always fail when hit by the grid. Thankfully nobody was hurt.
@Chironex_Fleckeri
@Chironex_Fleckeri 2 года назад
Holy sh*t 😳. I would've pooed myself
@erikk77
@erikk77 2 года назад
Holy Crap!
@desthomas8970
@desthomas8970 2 года назад
I was told by my father it also happened in Newport. The rotor climbed out of the building and ended up in the river.
@fjs1111
@fjs1111 2 года назад
180 degrees is quite a large miss!! wow, it essentially created a giant electromagnetic brake, or motor?
@philipoakley5498
@philipoakley5498 2 года назад
There's a lot of energy in the rotating mass. For some it was 35,000ft of m.g.h energy. I heard a number of those stories as I worked for 18 months at NEI Parson Turbine Generators (UK). The best claim to fame was an overspeed generator that had a piece of lead shot stuck in the steam pilot valve - Impressively none of the broken turbine exited the casing!
@andyfeimsternfei8408
@andyfeimsternfei8408 2 года назад
I've been doing hydro for 42 years and my biggest advise is to buy a multifunction generator protection relay. My favorite these days is the SEL 700G relay. The $3-4k cost is the best money you will ever spend on your hydro plant. It will protect your generator from any fault and give you the capability of full autosync . Good luck, small hydro isn't easy!
@andyxox4168
@andyxox4168 2 года назад
It’s a lot easier than big thermal!
@wesley1983
@wesley1983 2 года назад
I recommend a SEL-300G, it also has differential protection.
@buckhorncortez
@buckhorncortez 2 года назад
Heck...buy two you never know when you might need one for a friend...
@wow1022
@wow1022 2 года назад
$3-4k before you get engineering support to put together a design to connect it and and calculate settings for it
@Jeremy_Moro
@Jeremy_Moro Год назад
@@andyxox4168 I agree with your opinion because generators in thermal power plants are not only built different but they also need a lot of work before it's safe to roll the turbine like casing preheating, oils (lube and hydraulic) heating and pressurization, leaks checking, and probably many more things that I'd have to learn about power plants
@tekvax01
@tekvax01 3 года назад
​ @Chris Boden, I had a friend of the family that has since passed on, who was on the beaches of Normandy running and synching the electric generators on the beach after the invasion. He told of how it took a bunch of times to get the gennies to all sync up, and how they kept crashing out of lock; all while all the brass sat there waiting for the power to come one! I never really appreciated the story, until watching you start up this one... It must have been a crazy scary time! His memories live on in me, and now you, my friend!
@commenter8360
@commenter8360 2 года назад
What you want when you close the breaker is for the synchroscope to be going slowly in the fast direction (spinning clockwise). Then close the breaker at about 10 degrees from the top. This way it closes right at the top. You want it slow in the fast direction because then when the breaker is closed, the machine will take on some load immediately. If it's moving in the slow direction (like it was in the video), the machine becomes a load on the grid at first (until he started loading it by opening the valves a bit more).
@bwhog
@bwhog Год назад
And as it takes load, the counter force generated by that slows the turbine down a bit because current flowing through the wires causes an opposing magnetic field. The more current you have, the stronger that field.
@DoYouLikeMyNameDude
@DoYouLikeMyNameDude 11 месяцев назад
as a power engineer in concur that this is correct
@grumpywurzel1973
@grumpywurzel1973 10 месяцев назад
Agree with you on the clockwise rotation, it's what we did on RN ships to bring the generators online and as you said it's because you want the oncoming gen to snatch a bit of load to prevent the engine being forced backwards. However we were trained to close the breaker at the 12 oclock position (later ships allowed you to hold the breaker over at 5 to the hour). We only had the sync going backwards if we were trying to parallel with the shore side power, i.e. shed the load off our generators. Will admit I wanted to break one of his arms as at one point he had both on the switchboard! Big no no
@JohnSmith-qi9qs
@JohnSmith-qi9qs 9 месяцев назад
That first attempt was the worst sync job I’ve ever seen in 33 years running power generation! The 2nd was lucky. Your instructor taught you to do that?
@JohnSmith-qi9qs
@JohnSmith-qi9qs 9 месяцев назад
The first attempt had the sync scope going much too quickly in the wrong direction (slow). You should have adjusted the speed to spin slowly (about the speed of a clock second hand) in the fast direction and waited until it was stable. Then you close the breaker about 3 minutes to 12 o’clock. The consequences of closing the breaker in the wrong position is devastating to the generator. The second attempt was better but still rushed.
@barahng
@barahng 11 месяцев назад
I love how you talk to the machine like you're a Techpriest from 40k. The Machine Spirit must be appeased!
@spicywolf6718
@spicywolf6718 5 месяцев назад
I work with 7x 1065kW gas combustion engines, and I can assure that there is a lot of talking done to these engines and their controllers. Granted there's generally a lot more expletives used, they can be very, very temperamental things. Each has its own personality/quirks and there is of course a problem child
@TheSteakStyles
@TheSteakStyles Месяц назад
"come on babyyyyy....."
@ShackCoreContingency
@ShackCoreContingency 3 месяца назад
This is absolutely amazing. I have a very difficult time showing young PLC programmers who still don't understand the process control about peaking. This is a very fine example. Thank you.
@Kulvinder1974
@Kulvinder1974 3 года назад
Love these videos Chris, keep them coming. The sounds, the commentary, everything really. As a blind viewer, I love how you describe things and how the videos are produced. Can’t praise it enough. Brilliant! Keep it coming. 👍😁
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Thank you sir! I'd never thought about blind viewers enjoying my content. I'll try and do better with my audio and descriptions!
@Kulvinder1974
@Kulvinder1974 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck i’ve always loved your channel, right back from the days when you used to take things apart and explain how they worked and even spin up some old hard drives and the like. Brilliant. 😂👍
@MrMikedejeuner
@MrMikedejeuner 2 года назад
but how do you type ? just curious
@potrzebieneuman4702
@potrzebieneuman4702 2 года назад
This brings back memories of my electrical apprenticeship, the class was split into 4 groups and each made, from a kit, a motor with a generator stacked on top. Most of the day was spent trying to sync the 4 sets together using the old Siemans Halsky method with lightbulbs, two bright and one dim. Eventually the room was synced and the teacher was congratulating everyone and he then leaned back on the wall...right onto the emergency power cutoff switch for the room, you can imagine what we said.
@JCarey1988
@JCarey1988 10 месяцев назад
...a lot of words my 2 year old shouldn't learn?
@taabod
@taabod 5 месяцев назад
7:56 minutes of awesome! I forgot about everything at work and was glued to that gauge! Even I felt relief when it synced!
@justintime5375
@justintime5375 3 года назад
I've heard although never seen anything old enough to verify that the first generators were synchronized with a light bulb prior to even antique instruments. When the light bulbs are off there is no difference in potential between the generator and bus / load. When there is it is out of sync and at fully lit would be 180 out. When it was in sync some poor sap would manually close the gear. I build and maintain engine driven generators that produce more than this little hydro plant does but everything is automated now. They all have very fast smart protection relays on them and it all works great. I can't imagine being the person 100 years ago manually closing that gear while manually syncing a large generator. Definitely would make my butt pucker up every time. I'm sure Many a person was injured or killed by accidentally synching out of phase. Less an issue if it's just an induction generator but a synchronous will not be happy at all.
@randacnam7321
@randacnam7321 3 года назад
I've seen it in OLD books. Like 1880s old.
@retiredjan4714
@retiredjan4714 3 года назад
At school (1973) we had such a system as a practicum. The panel had 3 lights in a triangle configuration with ,only, the upper lamp on when the system was in sync. ...but as scholars we did change the wires so that it was on at 180 degree out of phase so when connecting to the grid the whole system shutdown with a enormous bang (and that was only a 3 kW system). So a 'not' happy generator is big understatement.
@cletusmcroofus704
@cletusmcroofus704 2 года назад
"I've heard although never seen anything old enough to verify that the first generators were synchronized with a light bulb prior to even antique instruments. " This is true. I've synced generators that had the syncroscope and the old school lights as a secondary indication.
@wyattroncin941
@wyattroncin941 2 года назад
i'm in the canadian navy, and if all else fails and we need to bring generators online, the ships have 2 little blinking lights and a whole lot of courage.
@cameronlusk809
@cameronlusk809 2 года назад
@@wyattroncin941 weve got them in the USAF as well always a liiittttle sketchy
@rhanify
@rhanify 3 года назад
All the best decisions are made in manual mode. Also love the button nameplates just being sharpie.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
I love how the SYNC switch is labelled "IN" and "OFF". I smile every time I see it.
@Currawong
@Currawong 2 года назад
Things that I didn't even know that I didn't know: That powering up a hydroelectric power plant could be exciting and nerve-wracking. Thank you for sharing your job with us.
@stevenormandin2059
@stevenormandin2059 3 года назад
SWEET I love it when the synchroscope meter needle goes lines up with the top mark, the sync lights are out than SNAP the contactor gear close and goes online AWESOME :)
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Thank you sir! :) I'm glad you enjoyed it! There's a lot more coming.
@markgriffiths409
@markgriffiths409 2 года назад
I used to synchronise 500MW coal fired units in the UK using a synch trolley. 50hz over here, - the unit operators used to hand over to the engineer to excite the rotor and take control of the governor! 🙂. Synch was across a 400KV CB onto the grid 😁. Now work with CCGT’s and total auto synch! Not sure if any of the operators would have the courage to do a manual synch! 😆. We also synchronised them with the synch scope going clockwise - pushing out on the grid to avoid reverse power trips! 😎👍
@johnrhodez6829
@johnrhodez6829 11 месяцев назад
When I was an apprentis sperky an old timer told me of an ancient power plant where you stood at the end of a row of generators each flywheel had one spoke painted white, when they were all in line you pressed the switch.....and yes that was a long time ago....
@JanJansen_
@JanJansen_ 2 месяца назад
I know the feeling. At my work we used to have a 20KW UPS and a 75KW diesel generator. The UPS ouput was feeding the most important servers and uplink equipment at all times, while the UPS itself was fed by the grid under normal operation. In case the grid went down, the grid was automatically disconnected from not only the UPS, but from the entire buidling. Then the diesel generator started, and after it ran at 50Hz, it automatically switched to/fed the UPS input. So all important equipment was never left in darkness in case of a power outage. Great design. But there also was a switching panel that would allow you to connect the rest of the building to the diesel generator as well. This was a manual operation without risk (as the grid was switched off from the building). The scary part: in case the grid would come back online (while the diesel generator was feeding the entire office building), there was a LED on the switching panel that had the same job as the synchroscope meter in this video. If the grid and diesel generator were in sync, you were allowed to manually switch from diesel to grid. I never dared to do so. The two times this happend I have chosen the safe way. That is: disconnect the diesel generator before connecting the entire building to the grid again.
@Orgakoyd
@Orgakoyd 24 дня назад
Sounds like a great system! So is there some storage to power the UPS before the generator kicks in?
@lillian8589
@lillian8589 20 часов назад
A 20 kw UPS ????
@Jeremy_Moro
@Jeremy_Moro 2 года назад
All INFRA players know that feeling when you activate that piece of engineering! Great job! 🤩👍
@serge933
@serge933 11 месяцев назад
I was thinking about that when I was watching this!!
@wilsjane
@wilsjane 8 месяцев назад
My friend was in Nigeria, for the commissioning of a water pumping station. When he realised that the gigantic Russian motor was starting under the pump load and DOL start, he warned that only 2 things could happen. Either the pump would start, or the alternators at the power station would stop. Unfortunately, the later happened, killing more than 20 people at the power station. Their attitude was just, Oh Well.
@joepeach997
@joepeach997 2 месяца назад
I was stationed on Forbidden Planet and was one of two that could get the Krell power station online. As I joke one day I fed the output back into the input.No one ever spoke to me again. Loved your video.
@fredlotte5897
@fredlotte5897 15 дней назад
About 20 years ago I wrote a long description about starting a coal fired power plant. This was the synchronization of a 3600RPM 250MW steam turbine. Synching the machine, big or little, is always a high pucker factor moment. Hydro can be tougher because the machine is less responsive to control inputs. Bring the turbine to match the system frequency and the voltage to match the system voltage and you're were we started this discussion. Match the generator phase angle to the system phase angle with not too great of a slip frequency. (I liked about 1 rev of the synchroscope in maybe 30-45 seconds meaning that the turbine speed differed from synchronous by about 1/2 RPM or less. Most of the regular operators weren't as patient to fiddle with the control valve and the boiler conditions would change so that the turbine would speed up or slow down.) The speed governor wasn't used for startup/run-up so that full arc admission could be used to heat the inlet of the turbine uniformly. This meant that the turbine speed was controlled by hand. Not too hard as long as the boiler is under control. When the hand on the 'scope approaches the little mark at 12 o'clock put your hand on the main breaker control switch (BE sure to look at which way closes the breaker). You are now on the spot. Everybody in the control room and maybe throughout the plant will know if you screw up because the lights will dim, the floor will jump and the generator will make a noise like it just lifted a world record weight in the heavyweight class if you don't turn that handle at just the right time. People at other power plants may know it too if your machine is big enough and you screw up bad enough. At the magic moment, turn the control. The 'scope pointer should come *gently* to a stop at the little mark, the lights should not blink nor the floor jump and no giant grunting noises should be heard. Goose the turbine valve just a little to pick up some load, check that all 3 phases are carrying current and that the voltage is OK. Start breathing. The smallest machine I've synched was about 50MW, the largest was 650MW.
@joebro8715
@joebro8715 2 года назад
I have no idea how I came across your videos on RU-vid, but I find it amazing because I worked at the self same dams you are showing in your videos. I was there in mid 2010's era. This video brought back a bunch of memories. I've operated that very panel to get that generator in sync with the grid. That generator was the most reliable of the three plants I worked at on that river at the time. Messing with the Kaplan Turbine blade angles on that generator was interesting and could make for a good video if you're up to it. Finding the angle was fun because you had to utilize a stroboscope and match the flashes per minute to the RPM. However, if you jammed them into a limit, it was not fun to unjam. The process was shut down the generator, wait for the generator to completely stop, get the ratcheting socket wrench, jam the step stool into the angle switch on the panel (you can see the angle switch in the video) to engage the direction opposite of what it is jammed into, then you pray as you ratchet on that welded nut on top of the motor that's embedded into the generator shaft because once you set that thing free, the motor for the blade angle starts spinning at some gnarly RPM with your ratchet in tow, you need to dislodge the ratchet and then make a run to the panel to disengage the angle switch before it jams into its other limit. Things were all sorts of janky working there, but I enjoyed what I did. It was a learning experience. Good video though. Nice to see this equipment still in use.
@MrMalthusMusic
@MrMalthusMusic 2 года назад
This is similar to how I feel when trying to sync an isolated 1500KVA generator back into the grid when it is struggling to hold sync long enough to close the switch. Such excitement and and the mild fear that sync drops before you close that switch by hand. I’ve only been there once or twice when it was wrong, and luckily I wasn’t the one closing the switch in these instances; it’s still pretty damn exciting to see those sparks and molten copper fly haha. Great video mate, I got exactly what I came for.
@nerdgarage
@nerdgarage 3 года назад
"That turbine behind me WILL sync to the grid ..." -- Now that sounds like an AWSOME video. =) (perhaps better done from some distance however)
@randacnam7321
@randacnam7321 3 года назад
That is called 'generator tries its damnedest to go into low earth orbit.' Every case I have ever heard of resulted in Very Big Expensive Things going through some combination of the roof and walls of the building.
@gravelydon7072
@gravelydon7072 3 года назад
@@randacnam7321 A Georgia power plant did it about a decade ago because someone wired the unit wrong after an overhaul. It did hit the roof when it broke free of the floor. The Detroits we had a work could be synced to each other but not to the grid under most conditions. We had auto and manual settings but never had the spinning meter like he had. Ours you just watched the dials and the lights. Second time they go out and stay off was when you closed the breaker. Lot of fun if you have to do it by hand as they were spring operated and motor driven normally. IF the motor failed, you had a jacking lever to charge the spring, and the you tripped it closed. Another rod was used to trip it open. All of which made sounds like it was going to explode. As we really didn't need it, normal operation was on one generator only. If we needed to change generators, we'd just shut one down after starting the other. Then put the new unit on line.
@benedienst
@benedienst 2 года назад
I once saw a 5MW auxiliary Generator syncing it’s Motor to the grid. I’ll tell ya: Cotton can indeed rust! Boy, I shit my pants as this beast atomized itself in the process. The engineer doing the syncing had a face paler than a dead afterwards, worst day of his career I guess. Me and my coworkers could pull out all of our wires again few days later as the whole station needed a renovation after the accident .
@wesleyhurd3574
@wesleyhurd3574 7 месяцев назад
I think you mean the (turbine driven) generator WILL CONNECT to the grid. Being in sync when it connects is the preferred, less expensive scenario.
@For_What_It-s_Worth
@For_What_It-s_Worth 6 месяцев назад
@@wesleyhurd3574 His point is that once the operator connects it, it will of course be connected but it (the generator) WILL there upon sync or die trying. The turbine or other powering mechanism, and shaft or gearbox, etc. tend to be left to their own devices….
@CAUM75
@CAUM75 2 месяца назад
Awesome job! Didn't even need to touch the switch for the hydrocoptic marzel vanes! What skill!!!
@geoffreywheatley7711
@geoffreywheatley7711 2 года назад
I worked for many years in the construction industry building power stations and dams, I had never seen the process of starting up a turbine that was a very interesting video.
@vlehr2903
@vlehr2903 2 года назад
I worked as assistant operator at Bull Run Hydro plant in Oregon back in the 1980s.The governors and controls were all hand operated .We were told to never overspeed at start up!The plant was built in 1913 what an experiance!
@spiralout112
@spiralout112 3 года назад
I always wondered how you go from running at no load to generating power, that's pretty sweet that you just let er rip!
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Once you get in sync you just give her hell and get things moving before it falls off. This one really doesn't like running at low. I'm glad you got to learn something new :)
@nate0031
@nate0031 2 года назад
Yup, once you're locked into grid frequency, you just throttle up. The grid restrains you, so RPM's won't increase, but the harder you push on the grid frequency, the more power you push out.
@jackkreighbaum783
@jackkreighbaum783 2 года назад
Many years ago (circa 1950) I spent several hours over a couple of years watching my dad operate a power plant (Horse Mesa Dam) on the Salt River, AZ. Memory is fading, but it took longer than this power plant to start up the 25 HZ turbines. Now, of course, they are remotely operated from another location in Phoenix, AZ, vicinity.
@For_What_It-s_Worth
@For_What_It-s_Worth 26 дней назад
25 Hz (the US grid is 60 Hz), or 25 kW?
@marklatimer7333
@marklatimer7333 2 года назад
I used to work with a guy who's job in the Navy was to supervise the connection of his Battleship to the Shore supply, this required close monitoring of the phase or major fireworks were the result .
@kevincrosby1760
@kevincrosby1760 Год назад
Your co-worker was exaggerating his importance a bit. Bringing up and taking down generators while at sea is one of the FIRST watch qualifications that a Newbie Electrician's Mate will learn. Ditto for paralleling the Ship's generators with Shore Power, as this is something which is done whenever the ship enters port for more than a day or two. In other words, routine. However, he is correct that screwing it up is really hard on the equipment. The turbine generators make a really horrible sound when they get into an argument with the Grid and just about stall. It's not really difficult to get everything in synch, just requires adherence to procedures and watching what you are doing.
@solarfinder
@solarfinder 11 месяцев назад
I seriously love the genuine excitement. I'm a cloud architect and you had me on the edge of my seat. Just awesome!!
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 11 месяцев назад
Wow, thanks! As a computer guy, you're really going to appreciate the next season. We're dragging these old plants into the 21st century! Let me know if you're interested in being a part of an open source project to help these old places do better.
@maxwellbutler4184
@maxwellbutler4184 2 года назад
This is easily my favorite video on all of RU-vid. Bless ya, Chris.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 2 года назад
Thank you! :)
@LeoStarrenburg
@LeoStarrenburg 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for letting us watch ! Made me think back of a visit we (a bunch of control engineers and technicians) made to a large coal fired powerstation. A visit to the control room was included and while we were listening to the chief engineer one of our buddies made a bee line to the console were the turbines rpm were controlled. And wow did that chief move quickly ! Don't know if it was his years on the high seas (most of them came from a merchant navy engine room job) speaking, but I've never heard someone cursing so eloquently. Mind you, all in good fun, we wouldn't dream of messing with the GigaWatts they were handling there. That was way before all the modern windturbines were put up, and even then the grid was a big 'cat-and-mouse' game so to speak, hate to think what it must be now, even with the aid of powerful computers etc.
@MrWaalkman
@MrWaalkman 11 месяцев назад
This triggered a couple of old memories. The first is when Ed Laxson (owner of Laxson Electric) told us about the time when he as an apprentice helped re-wire a generator after the city's engineer came in drunk and flipped the switch when it wasn't synced properly (back in the "three light bulb" days of synchronization). It ruined the generator and they had to "re-wind" it. Except that the windings were copper bars and he had to climb into the generator and bend the bars using a torch. This had to have happened sometime in the late '40s. The other thing was a friend of mine who bought the powerplant on the Duck River in Columbia, Tennessee back in the '90s or early '00s, and spent a year trying to get Duck River Electric to agree to buy his power. He finally got approval the day before the Duck River had (yet another) massive flood which completely overtopped the powerplant. I did get to tour the control room before this happened. It was pretty cool. The flood convinced him to get rid of the powerplant.
@starwolf621
@starwolf621 6 месяцев назад
This is the video that got me instantly addicted to your channel.
@casesully50
@casesully50 11 месяцев назад
As a guy that started out doing pipeline construction. Moved to building and renovating fresh water and sewer pump stations, along with water treatment plants. This was exciting as fuck to watch. So interesting. I've always wanted to build a dam. Hopefully one day!
@herbertzausenhaim246
@herbertzausenhaim246 2 года назад
In general it is a good idea to get close to synchronisation and to add some frequency to the generator before trying to sync. Make sure the synchroscope is going only clockwise. This ensures, that the generator won't fall into reverse power right after synchronisation. Reverse power will trip the protective relay quickly if there is one.
@AerialReconnaissance
@AerialReconnaissance 2 года назад
I was wondering about that. I've always seen "slow in the fast direction" as one of the prereqs for syncing for that exact reason.
@MrJhenderson
@MrJhenderson 11 месяцев назад
Slow in the fast direction. Don't turn on the synchroscope bl until you're close to 60Hz,
@TechBuild
@TechBuild 11 месяцев назад
Yes, our professor told us about the same thing, when the generator is connectded to the grid, the sudden load induced on it causes it ti slow a bit and reduce the output frequency of AC.
@falsemcnuggethope
@falsemcnuggethope 5 месяцев назад
Otherwise the fisherman who stayed at home is wondering why the lights are blinking
@lennygemar1021
@lennygemar1021 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for posting this. I've been in power control centers where they had the synchronous indicator, though the ones I saw were more like a cats-eye indicator than a meter. But I never happened to be there when they were phasing and connecting power. Very cool.
@CamTarn
@CamTarn 2 года назад
Incredibly cool! I work with semiconductor active front end units that sync to the grid the easy way, by just generating an AC wave at the correct frequency. It's fascinating to see the old way of doing things. Certainly much more exciting :D
@Kitteh.B
@Kitteh.B 2 года назад
This video autoplayed while I'm multitasking at work, because I couldn't hit stop in time to continue my playlist of short circuiting power lines (they fascinate me) but man I'm so glad it did! Your commentary and enthusiastic energy is infectious, I love it!
@uploadJ
@uploadJ 2 года назад
Love it! Have never seen a hydro plant come up and sync to the grid before!!
@drcovell
@drcovell 11 месяцев назад
Love it. I had a 12-71 Detroit generator that was rated for 350KW, 3-phase 240 and it was LOUD too! 😂 Like all Detroits it leaked oil everywhere, but that Dry-Sleeve made rebuilds easy!
@Kimdino1
@Kimdino1 2 года назад
Wow, this takes me back. A long time ago I was a Merchant Navy Engineer. I loved bringing a ships alternator online. Having started the engine (750hp diesel) I would then tweak the governor to match the revs to the already online alternator(s) as indicated by the frequency gauges. Having got the revs (frequency) very close I would then start nudging the governor to very gently match the phase. This was done by watching the phase clockdial. This guage showed the phase angle between the two supplies, When the pointer was at the top the phase angle was zero. But the rotational inertia of the diesel was an issue, so I only closed the connection if the pointer was moving very slowly through zero. A lovely sense of achievement would then be had through knowing that I had successfully manipulated many hundreds of kilowatts that needing very gentle finessing. I suppose the only, but very big, difference is that I only had to worry about the very predictable rotational inertia of a diesel engine. I didn't have to worry about thousands of tons of water slopping about. Thanks for sharing the experience.
@billjames3148
@billjames3148 2 года назад
Always laughed at the DROOP setting , parallel gen sets Chief would say You tighten the droop she snaps the shaft..... Watching is fun, to go to work in the hole is long gone.
@Play_fare
@Play_fare 3 месяца назад
This is a great video. I’ve heard of this process, but actually seeing it makes it more real. I have an interest in understanding the whole story of what happened at Chornobyl NPP. Part of that story has to do with understanding not just reactor side of the equation but also electricity generation side, specifically the turbines. One of the issues that a specialized crew was brought in for was to measure the vibration of the turbines.
@JimmyNewCakes
@JimmyNewCakes 2 года назад
Really cool seeing how this is done. Also surprising to me how accurate the game "Infra" was at simulating this process. The game missed out on the water surging issues, but seems to have gotten the rest right. Infrastructure is cool.
@EPICRANDOMGUY02
@EPICRANDOMGUY02 11 месяцев назад
One of my favourite games
@cola98765
@cola98765 11 месяцев назад
Same
@transientvoltage
@transientvoltage 11 месяцев назад
Just found this vid, I've heard about the syncroscope before but it's fun actually seeing one in action at a power plant.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 11 месяцев назад
I'm glad you enjoyed it. There's a lot more powerplant videos on this channel that go into technical details of operations.
@hazymidi6352
@hazymidi6352 2 года назад
As a power plant operator my self this was pretty exiting even tho this is a much simpler setup than ours. 👍
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 2 года назад
Thank you! I'm glad you're liking it, there's a whole series of these videos. :)
@BrhatLee
@BrhatLee 2 месяца назад
Good catch of the null, I've paralleled 1500KW Onan diesel generators to the grid at just a few degrees out of phase... major pucker factor! Well done Chris.
@blinky2k2
@blinky2k2 28 дней назад
I like the guy's enthusiasm for his job. It made me smile.
@opera5714
@opera5714 2 года назад
I just watched the startup of a 100MW gas turbine generator last week and it had the same meter and two lights. Funny how things don't change. This is possibly the oldest gas turbine generator still in operation, late 50's. It made a lot more noise than yours.
@somethingsomething404
@somethingsomething404 2 года назад
It makes sense that any power plant would have a similar meter, need to be at 60hz to go online no matter what type of power source
@BluesyBor
@BluesyBor 2 года назад
Modern synchroscopes are different, but those are about 20-30 years old at most. For something like a century this kind of synchroscope was pretty much all you got for this task.
@DalmaTon-Records
@DalmaTon-Records 2 года назад
@@somethingsomething404 Yes. With addition that in US its 60Hz and here in Europe its 50Hz... Cheers!
@fitybux4664
@fitybux4664 2 года назад
Ew. That seems like a gross device. Are there really giant diesel turbines running parts of the power grid? That seems incredibly inefficient and dirty.
@ericherm88
@ericherm88 3 месяца назад
I'm no electrical engineer. Electricity is pretty much just magic to me. I have never once thought about what a power plant operator might be *doing* at work. And I've gotten by so far, thank you very much, without knowing that power plants had to sync with the grid like this. And yet... this was one of the most dramatic scenes I've ever seen play out. Amazing. It's probably no coincidence that RU-vid showed me this random video while I was going down a filmmaking-and-drama video rabbit hole
@notmuch_23
@notmuch_23 2 года назад
I used this video as a reference for my roleplay character bringing a coal-fired steam generator online for the first time. Great stuff, and thank you for making this video!
@__Man__
@__Man__ 2 года назад
Love to hear the tone of the hum changes everytime the frequency increases. Actually in 1:36, you already get the European frequency
@Nthsey
@Nthsey 3 месяца назад
6:54 this really felt like the equivalent of two trains passing each other at speed and you managed to hop from one to the other.
@b43xoit
@b43xoit 2 месяца назад
More like lock the two together.
@isettech
@isettech 2 года назад
Not hydro, but have done that for a bank of 4 400 KW diesel sets, so don't quite have the same bounce. To get the power pickup and prevent the reverse power drop, I was taught to run the generator a little fast by about 1/2 hertz. This way you get the slow 2 second rotation clockwise, and close about the 55 minute mark, so the phase pulls in, then as it was fast, will produce power upon closing, then open up the power. Learned this while in the Navy for going off shore power. Going back to shore power, the input to the syncroscope is reversed so the rotation is still clockwise by reducing the speed until shore power is about 1/2 HZ fast in relation to the diesels, then running parallel, so the shore power picks up some load, then throttles are set lower until the power off diesel drops to nearly zero, then the breaker opened for a no glitch transfer to shore power. Great video. Check with the manufacture about the sync process and if you can run slightly fast (clockwise) and close on the approach to 12:00 for a good sync with some pick up of load and prevent drop out from reverse power. Some newer equipment has protection to prevent closing out of phase in addition to reverse power, and over current drops.
@For_What_It-s_Worth
@For_What_It-s_Worth 6 месяцев назад
Note that at 4:20 the frequency is at 58 hertz vs. the necessary 60, a difference of 2 hertz, I.e. the beat frequency. In conjunction, the sync gauge is rotating ‘slow’ at 2 rounds per second. This is a marvelously done narrative! It well bears rewatching.
@thafff
@thafff 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing that content and your enthusiasm with us.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Thank you for watching! I'm sincerely glad you enjoy it. :) There's thousands of other videos on here of pretty much the same thing. I'm here to Educate, Inspire, and Entertain. Welcome to the weird! :)
@thafff
@thafff 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck If I've understood correctly, the role of the PLC is to trip the turbine, should the voltage/frequency deviate from preset bounds for a certain amount of time, right? What else does it do, if applicable? Also, is this a Francis or a Kaplan turbine on that setup?
@kevinamundsen7646
@kevinamundsen7646 2 года назад
Awesome Job! That final kiss of the valve actuator did the trick. The MAGIC moment when the the synchroscope sat on zero . . . NOW ! I shouted outloud. Ha ha, I couldn't help myself. Terrific video. Congratulations! Next, valve full open, and you're online! The most honest excitement I've had in quite a while. Many thanks!
@The_DuMont_Network
@The_DuMont_Network 2 года назад
That's great fun! I used to synchronize my rompin' stompin' 30 KW gas burning 240/120 1phase genset using a couple of light bulbs and a bulldog switch. Doggone that thing made the most horrible sounds if I didn't catch it just right.
@kevincrosby1760
@kevincrosby1760 Год назад
You should hear what 2 900 kW Turbine Generators sound like when you miss...followed by what a 500 kW Emergency Diesel Generator sounds like on Auto-Start after the TGs drop out. Thankfully, it was NOT me on the board that day.
@JROrg2009
@JROrg2009 3 года назад
As an electrical engineer and general scientist, I have just learned more from this 7:56 video and the audible enthusiasm than I might have learned from trying to be a hydro engineer via schooling. Than you sir, for a explanatory and working job well done.
@littlesquirtthefireengine5478
@littlesquirtthefireengine5478 11 месяцев назад
Every 6 months or so I come back to watch how excited this guy gets when he synchronizes the generators :)
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 11 месяцев назад
Wait until you see Season 4 :) It gets better.
@aiyabanana2849
@aiyabanana2849 6 месяцев назад
I've seen lots of technical and theoretical side of this on RU-vid this is the first time I see someone who actually do it live! Thanks for the video! By the way I'm a software engineer not related to this field just curious about it 😁
@DuluthMachineWorks
@DuluthMachineWorks 3 года назад
That’s a nice little plant- there’s definitely something special about old hydro equipment. Would that plant happen to be associated with an old mill or factory by chance? I’ve worked on a couple small ones about that size that were a similar configuration.
@vinquinn
@vinquinn 2 года назад
A big diesel electric generator in a trailer truck gets put on line for the first time. Somewhere there was a mix-up in wiring the phases or the synchro scope. When the breaker was closed, the whole trailer rolled over onto it's side.
@jaysmith1408
@jaysmith1408 10 месяцев назад
I hauled a couple of those to grocery stores, they were stored at the DC, and we were dispatched like the regular store runs. Had to send a technician to connect them and start them. Could run the store and most of the neighbourhood.
@JamesRandomHobbies
@JamesRandomHobbies 6 месяцев назад
This really puts into perspective how much power an EV needs. The newest DC faster chargers are 350kw (350,000w)
@Ohhelmno
@Ohhelmno 5 месяцев назад
I love how excited every person who does this gets when they nail it even though you basically have to nail it every time.
@TheDrew2022
@TheDrew2022 2 года назад
My grampa was an electrical engineer working on hydro plants in Canada during the 70's and 80's during the height of the building related to the Columbia River Treaty. Back before they had automatic systems that could do this startup and sync, it was done the same way as you show, except the generators were 500MW units. He experienced what happens when an operator connects a turbine to the grid while the frequency is off by 1-2Hz. The bang as the unit is forced into sync could be heard and felt throughout the entire dam structure.
@OVER-bENGINEERED
@OVER-bENGINEERED 3 года назад
Really enjoyed this! When you close the generator breaker you have seconds to bring up the power so you don’t fall off the grid... is this because of a reverse power trip on your protection relay? I was gonna ask why no synchronizer but I see the complexity that the river hydrodynamics adds to this operation.
@SuperUltimateLP
@SuperUltimateLP 2 года назад
the grid would try to drive the generator as a motor against a non compressible fluid (water in this instance)
@ddogg14
@ddogg14 2 года назад
I have never seen anything like this before, and it got me so HYPE when he synced it to the grid! Infectious energy and a really clear demonstration of great engineering
@patracy
@patracy 3 года назад
Nice video Chris. Have you explained to the viewers how the amber lights work? Might be interesting to explain how two "different" AC circuits can work together and how we "don't" want them to.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
I haven't covered it yet because I plan on doing a whole video on just the lights and teaching the phase relationship with nulls and nodes. :) It's already in preproduction and coming soon!
@bigbirdearnest6752
@bigbirdearnest6752 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck Thanks I'm impressed very interesting video watching it again. Also could You show US what a black start consist of and why did Texas loose power.
@asmqb7222
@asmqb7222 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck I just found these videos and am extremely fascinated. What I'm extremely curious about is how sync works and how you have to GRAB the sync at the exact right point... but once you've done that, even before you engage the autopilot, you're all good. Sounds to me like some sort of electrical phenomena is keeping the generator locked to the grid, and the PLC just controls the wicket(s)(?) as needed.
@NoTraceOfSense
@NoTraceOfSense 3 года назад
@@asmqb7222 I think it probably has something to do with that fact that motors and generators are basically the same thing.
@samuellourenco1050
@samuellourenco1050 2 года назад
Basically, those lights are connected between the generator and the grid. To simplify, if the grid was the load, they would be in series with the load. But, the grid is also generating power. So, when the lights are off, it means that no current is flowing from or to the generator, which means that the instant voltages between both are equal. So, the generator is in sync. In that condition, you can then connect the breakers, and only then push the generator to be "faster". It won't be faster because the grid will slow it down to 60Hz, but it will generate power in sync.
@steelblue8
@steelblue8 2 года назад
I have absolutely no idea how like, 90% of the power grid but this? Well, it explains things well for starters, but also REALLY cool to watch. Brilliant stuff! The technology that humans can achieve is truly magnificent.
@transistorbaluba
@transistorbaluba 3 года назад
"oh mom.. i got intenet again... :-) " i was going like "carful now.." and im on the other side of the planet LOL!
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
LMFAO, well I appreciate your support. :)
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 2 года назад
Great! I used to work for Scottish Hydro-Electric as their telecoms manager. We had 50 hydro stations across the country, all but one remote controlled via ‘my’ network of microwave, fiber and leased lines! They ranged from small low head plants like yours through to around 10 MW. Only the biggest - a pumped storage 300 MW plant was manned, the others were dispatched from a central generation control room (and backup)
@generatorjohn4537
@generatorjohn4537 3 года назад
You need to wait until you get a slowly moving sync scope in the fast direction! You better not close the circuit breaker until that scope is just 5 degrees before 12 o'clock synchronization on that sync scope. I couldn't tell if this unit has an automatic synchronizor and all you did was control the speed of the generator. If the generator circuit breaker closed out of synchronization it would be detrimental to the generator's whole end turn windings and spider (rotor).
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
That was my first time. I promise I'll get better. There's a lot to learn, and this is just as much an artform as it is engineering. I'm working to share this artform with the next generation.
@generatorjohn4537
@generatorjohn4537 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck I didn't see you physically take the pistol grip of the generator circuit breaker and close it when the needle of the sync scope was at "12 o'clock ". I worked in the electrical utility indusrty and observed generators placed on line many times. Most generators had auto synchronization relays that would prevent the generators from inadvertently closing in out of synchronization. The calibration of those sync relays were tight, 0.05 hertz, etc. Can't remember most of the parameters, been over 20 years since I worked on one. Looked like you had that type of control scheme with this one. Thanks for your reply.
@jrmcferren
@jrmcferren 3 года назад
​@@Physicsduck In the old days it the sync lights (the orange ones between the synchroscope and amp meter) would have been used prior to synchroscopes. You had to be aware of how they are wired, in this case we can tell they are sync dark, but sometimes they are wired sync light. If you get that backwards, you would close close to 180 degrees out of phase.
@kuhljager2429
@kuhljager2429 3 года назад
@@jrmcferren TIL. Didnt know they had sync when lit bulbs.
@GuillermoFrontera
@GuillermoFrontera 3 года назад
I'm not shure about small generators, they may be so lightweight than may tolerate more inacuracies. The 200 MW ones we have here are really picky, but are 500 ton francis.
@random13627
@random13627 2 года назад
honestly, this was beautiful. Down to the explanation, to the noise the machines make, also insane to think it can all fail within one switch.
@kellouishak3331
@kellouishak3331 3 года назад
this video is a demonstration of what am I studying right now as an electrical engineering student, thank you
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Thank you for watching! YOU are exactly why I'm making these videos. As an EE you're going to really love a lot of the stuff I do on here and on the main channel as well. LOTS of high voltage fun. :)
@Name-vu1kn
@Name-vu1kn 2 года назад
As a ship’s engineer we do this a lot. Sometimes once or twice a watch (a watch is normally 4 hours) instead of matching the speed of the water in a River you are dialing in the speed of a Diesel engine. Same principle though. Though most ships have automated syncing and buss ties now, almost everybody learns to do it manually as you have done in the video. Cool video.
@Fleischmann773
@Fleischmann773 3 года назад
Watching this only for the purpose of beeing able to start one of these up if the shit hits the fan and im a zombie-outbreak survivor.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Well you'll have to watch the whole series, and then you can be a RU-vid Certified Hydro Plant Operator.
@bjornwegener3233
@bjornwegener3233 3 года назад
yeah when the zombie corpse of your wife tries to rip your head-off that is exactly what you gonna think of "Darn those teeth, but do not worry, I am a gonna fire up that hydro dam".
@Mike-kr5dn
@Mike-kr5dn 3 года назад
wow this could be completely automatic with a simple computer.
@philipoakley5498
@philipoakley5498 2 года назад
Magic! Had a friend who was doing early automatic valve control for Hydro, and there was a fault in the compiled software code and caused a full open on the valves and some 'panic'. What had been forgotten was that he'd only been allowed on plant because the hydro frow is self limiting, unlike steam plant. So throwing the emergency stop wasn't the right answer;-)
@rickbiskit
@rickbiskit 5 месяцев назад
No matter the industry, we all talk to our control panels like we are trying to get our date into the back seat of our Dad’s sedan at the drive in.
@FokkerBoombass
@FokkerBoombass 2 года назад
I'm a marine engineer and it's funny how this is exactly like starting up and syncing our generators, even this panel looks exactly the same. The only differences being instead of a diesel engine there are tons of water flowing through a turbine, and instead of a governor controlling a fuel rack - a huge valve. Damn...
@DaHoodedBandit
@DaHoodedBandit 11 месяцев назад
Im not an authorized person and im here.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 11 месяцев назад
Well don't tell anyone, just enjoy the show. We were never here, and none of this ever happened.
@norbert099
@norbert099 11 месяцев назад
And I'm also here, unauthorized. And trust me, I would play with this Turbine plus testing it till it Trips.
@ChopterMan
@ChopterMan 6 месяцев назад
In high school I visited a huge hydroelectric power plant. I went down beneath the river on the same level of the turbine shaft. Nice to see all those old school controls.
@justjoe7313
@justjoe7313 3 года назад
This is AWSOME!!! Thank you for letting us into the powerplant with you!
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Thank you for watching! :) I'm glad there's people like you out there who enjoy this stuff and can learn some things from it.
@button-puncher
@button-puncher Год назад
That was fun. Thanks for the video. At first I was thinking, why is the freq wandering like that, but than like you explained, you are dealing with a pulsing wave of water. Fun with the physics involved there. At lease with an engine driven generator, it'll groan in to phase. When you're dealing with literal TONS of moving water...OOF, that could get real ugly and expensive if something goes wrong.
@GrooveQuest
@GrooveQuest 3 года назад
How much do you have to pay to get to do that? Cool video, great explanation about having to wait on the wave. I can only imagine what it is like to be flipping to those switches while the water rushes behind you... But you definitely brought the experience to 2d. Going back to watch it again.
@Astrophysikus
@Astrophysikus 2 года назад
I work in the energy sector, but in IT. Once, a technician told me that back in the old days, they would manually sync our large hydro plants to the grid, and these have a power output many times the mere 400 kW = 0.4 MW of the comparatively tiny generator in the video. If not done at the exact moment, a huge rumble would go through the whole building, and of course it would also cause a lot of wear & tear on the machines.
@mathieuk119
@mathieuk119 7 месяцев назад
Yeah we still sync our 50 MW gas turbine manually. That's even a small plant in today's standards
@bobthedog123456
@bobthedog123456 3 года назад
Man that was kind of terrifying.
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
Yes, yes it was. I love this job. :)
@sixft7in
@sixft7in Год назад
Reminds me of bringing a SSTG (Ships Service Turbine Generator) on an aircraft carrier online with the other SSTG or syncing with shore power. Connect them when not synced and the SSTG does some bouncing around.
@JessicaKStark
@JessicaKStark 3 года назад
...So I gotta know. Who do you know that lets you run rampant in their power plant? XP
@Physicsduck
@Physicsduck 3 года назад
I know right? If you become an Engineer it turns out that people will actually PAY you to play with giant machines and amazing toys. :)
@BenCos2018
@BenCos2018 3 года назад
@@Physicsduck xD I guess it just classes as "testing" the shutdown and startup equipment lol
@Bristoll170
@Bristoll170 2 года назад
Well that's the BEST light hearted commentary of a serious action I've seen for quite a while. Magic stuff 👍
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