I had already purchased and initially tested this MixRoom plugin before watching your video. All I've done so far is to put it as the last plugin on every individual track of a project where I had just finished treating each individual track, and selected the most appropriate preset I could find and let it do its thing. Largely what it did was to add 12 dB of air beyond the range of my 63-year-old ears. It also added around 3 dB in the mud range and other than that it made very slight adjustments that I had difficulty hearing. I bounced down this project with MixRoom on every track and also without MixRoom. The main difference to my ears was about 2% better clarity which I value a great deal. So I'm seeing it as a good thing, and also as a learning tool to see where it decides to add or subtract something both on individual tracks and on groups and the 2-bus. The user interface is going to take some getting used to but overall this is being added to my toolkit.
Load a reference track similar to the one you are working on, and it'll do wonders. It removed mud from almost all my mixes and balanced the mix remarkably well. Best plugin I've tried for a long time.
You are completely missing the point of this plugin. You need to watch the videos and read the manual. It is brilliant. When using it along with BassRoom and Reference, you have a set of tools that are incomparable in the mixing and mastering world. Mastering the Mix is ahead of the curve.
Not sure about incomparable. (There are obviously other plug-ins that appeal to users). I agree that they are a very good integrated collection of tools for monitoring and reference matching your main mix output channel. Having played with this (Mixroom) and understood how the interface works I can see that it's a more feature rich and complementary version of Bassroom for the mid -> high EQ range. IMO there are three types of EQ. The ones for passively or actively shaping the EQ curves: the ones for dynamically shaping EQ curves: and the ones for matching EQ curves. (and hybrids) ... I'll be using this primarily for matching. I like the interface because it matches my internal audio-visualisation of the stereo sound-stage. That won't be the same for everyone.
I attended a masterclass with Tom Frampton and he s an amazing guy and great mastering engineer. I believe Mastering the mix plugins are actually very good
He could have roasted this one based on the obscure UI. I think if they added some type of FFT at the bottom it would help. I have BassRoom and I'd rather just use a couple of Pultec's and hit those EQ bands that way with some nice modelling. (UAD!)
I just bought it (not yet installed…been wanting it for years). Mind if I ask what your main use with it tends to be? Single-tracks? Mixbus only? How often “matching curves” vs straight manual corrections? Is the matching feature similar to (plugin alliance) DSM V3? (Sorry for long list…these comments make me re-convinced I’ve slept on it)
In my opinion, this GUI is amazing! Louder - closer - this is what i feel!.. About plagin itself - i think is more for mastering, then mixing. You can change your curves under reference tracks. It learn you to be a mastering ingeneer! awesome..
I appreciate the learning proccess he has with each plugin. Is natural and honest. It helps the common joe.For perfect use of plugins you have commercials
Do you want good advice? Make a detailed study about this plugin, learn how to work with it and make a new video. You should do this with every video you make.
This really is an unfair review. Well, it's hardly a real review at all. He clearly misused the plugin and made a decent product look bad in the process. He didn't even showcase the best feature of this plugin which is the ability to load your own reference mix to set the target curves to. Hopefully MTM doesn't reach out for more product reviews in the future if this how he handles they're products.
@@eightsevenhiphop Yes! I kept saying...load something YOU love the sound of! You need a reference folder of songs etc... to work with if you are not a beginner,
While your idea of a curve preview might be nice while perusing the targets, please note that the green dotted lines on the "sidelines" of the interface are intended to do something similar, which is to show you the "target EQ" for lack of a better word, against which you can make your adjustments.
dude, a good idea would be to actually read the manual before using any piece of gear. it helps . i am testing it right now. this thing is like proq3 on steroids. does the same thing and more at half the time and freq bands
@@johnromanos6957 Its not really the same as Pro-Q3 but I see what you mean. Pro-Q has dynamic Eqing and is more powerful at correcting. BOTH work really well together. I bought MIXROOM and love it! I do agree with you, would be good that he reads the manual and would be nice he acts a bit less cocky.
You have missed this thing isn´t just about eq, it´s also tackles phase correction which normal eq´s don´t. So the result is, or could be, cleaner than with a normal eq.
I got the demo version of all the Mastering the Mix plugins and I think they are absolutely essential. I have been sceptical with plugins because lately I have bought plugins that turned out to be underwhelming.
This looks like someone took David Gibson’s visual representation of mix room and applied it to a plugin. Seriously up and down is your frequency space, left and right is your stereo space, and front and back is your volume. I can tell just from watching this for 5 seconds. You can also adjust how wide the frequency band is too from the looks of it. Seems like a decent plugin to me. Maybe I’m seeing this wrong.
I think I will take a look at Toms tutorial on his channel for this plugin and then go and try it on a mix. Maybe it has a slight learning curve which you gotta get used to before being able to use it in a valuable way.
I just downloaded the demo, before seeing that you had just reviewed it. (I'll be trying it out tomorrow, so can't comment on ease of use of interface). Glad I watched the 'how to use' video on the MTM web-site as that shows where the manual work takes place in the EQ matching. There's no need to use their presets as you can import your own. (I was thinking of testing on three tracks I'm mixing for someone that I want to have a similar sound using my preferred mix of the three as a target) White Sea: Perhaps you could do a follow up video, [ ? maybe using an alternative version of Sandstorm by Darude as the target ? ;) ], and demonstrate / review the EQ matching function of the plug-in, as that is the feature that interests me.
I appreciate the learning proccess he has with each plugin. Is natural and honest(even if o don't like his style). It helps the common joe. For perfect use of plugins you have commercials
You're an amazing mixer - you can make every mix you do of Darude's "Sandstorm" sound like a completely different song. Thanks for the videos - I find them both informative and entertaining!
I really like how honest and helpful your videos are. I think this plugin work as a matching EQ like the ones in pro q3 and ozone9 but in stead of giving it a target the target build up with these presets. I also test it and you can set your own target to it to match it. So in the end I think this is more like a matching EQ rather than a normal EQ and as you said. I would EQ quickly with a normal EQ like pro q3.
I'd be interested what would happen in a whole mix together if you did all the presets. It seems like it is going for a certain sound but needs context, like a mid heavy slightly lofi for some elements pop sound which is quite popular.
As usual gold video thank you! Helped me realise i don't need this plugin for mixing. Neutron though.. is helping a little in terms of suggestions and direction
It seems interesting for understanding the space in the mix (sort of helps with visualization of 3d space in the mix), but same time it feels a bit confusing. I think I agree, a nice thing to play with & experiment, but I'm pretty sure it would not be my "go to" for a real project.
My thing is. Does it sound good? The acoustic actually had a character after that eq. It either works for the track or it doesn’t. Doesn’t matter about minus 12 dB.
It's nice to see a company trying something different UI wise. I can't say it's something I'd use myself - I'll stick with FabFilter Pro Q3 - but I like that such products exist and the approach is innovative, and dare I say quite cool... That female vocal, though... Urhh, makes me want to smack my head against a wall.
The best mix I'm getting is from the following plugins from top to bottom - Satson CS / AR TG Mastering / smart EQ3 / Gullfoss / Bassroom / SonEQ Pro / Boz Manic Compressor. With the right settings, hardly anything can touch it, when listening to the whole mix at once. It works!
Looks OK for a hobbiest like me. Although the naming of presets is a bit arbitrary, I mean the Female R&B vocal could be range from high pitched Mariah Carey thru Jocelyn Browns "POWER VOCALS!" The interface looks like a logic puzzle from an Assassin's Creed game. It looks confusing and weird, the developers better make games instead.
You are always so kind to MTM products? Not sure why? If it were branded Waves you'd maybe not be so forgiving. MTM interfaces are usually grotesque and sound like...errr..Waves 😁
Tested it and had nice results, would like a gain scale and a mix knob to make it more subtle. Somehow I feel like I lose creativity when it does the job for me, and gives me less satisfaction feeling.
This plugin is bugged in FL studio. Rendering adds latency to anything it is added to, upon rendering. Real-time playback is fine inside of FL but the render is always off sync (on the instrument it is used). Also if it's used on the master bus the track will not fall in the tempo grid anymore because of the added rendering lag introduced by this plugin.
The interface is one of the better ideas behind this plug. Just think 3D while looking at it. It’s brilliant. Instead of working in 2D, like most EQ’s, which work side to side and up and down, This plug also offers front to back for volume control, up and down for freq and side to side for width. It’s incomparable and extremely clean sounding, on par with FabFilter Q3.
I still prefer to learn how to properly use a normal EQ, I don't like these plugin that make mixing/mastering like a "colorful" and easy task, but in reality you don't really know what you're doing. Fabfilter EQ is still unbeatable, sorry.
This method of EQing is actually not just some scammy “cool looking” Eq. It’s actually a pretty cool and straightforward concept once you wrap you head around it. Closer = louder, longer up and down = wider Q? (I don’t own this plug-in, just commenting on the concept) but the nifty thing is, since it’s 3D, it’s really simple to display mid-side EQ, which is displayed horizontally. This is less intuitive on a traditional EQ. These people actually seem to know what they are doing, you can tell at least by the fact that they offer AI powered presets rather than traditional ones (which often are useless). Of course, there are some features you can’t access with this plugin over fabfilter pro Q.
I feel like this would be perfect for the beginning mixer if they just changed the name of these presets...like Female Pop to Female Clean Vox or Deep Male Vox.
I understand the plugin, but what I don't understand is how hard it can be to just think I want more high and add some highs in an EQ, maybe to much mid bass? take some out. It's not rocketscience imo, trust your ears :)
I feel like these companies are trying to re-invent the wheel, making simple tools far more time consuming and complicated than they need to be. Not for me.. Good video as usual. Keep well and safe man!
It would be interesting if MTM will do some plugins designed more towards the advanced/pro users or better saying with a bit differend marketing approach... with less weird GUIs so without going the flashy way but going a way that is straight towards workflow... because they show they have the knowledge to do realy good plugins from an audio point of view... I got interessted in them since I used the animate thing.. were I got a free module because of the focusrite plugin thing... the first days or so I could use the other modules as demo .. and first I thought when I saw it .. well looks a bit like those fency flashy bling bling plugins for beginners... but then when I tried it I was possitively surprised by the sound of it... here comes the marketing point of it... they tend to mark it as problem solvers or getting better mixes and so... however the animate thing is more like a straight on FX unit then anything else... and if you use it like that it's pretty good... and I am very sensible to filtering and phaseshift issues.. at least if it is coloring in a way I don't like... and there was the big positive surprise with it... the coloring was in a way I realy liked.. not muddening the sound.. just get some interesting twist into it... so it was doing stuff I would usually do by myself but with alot more work before to arange and tune all the filters and so on... this is why I would be super interested in plugins from them where they actually design a plugin with their strengths in mind.. which is also targeted that way.. they have the ability to design realy realy good FX plugins that sound clean and do interesting stuff... but they always do those "this EQ helps you" stuff ... I would like if they go fullon FX and market it that way... because that is a thing I see they can do realy realy good.... (then the fancy user interfaces would also be more fitting)... because they are very creative like you can see... and they realy know how to design filters and such thing, that sound interesting but clean and good
I'm a beginner and to be honest this plugin confuses me. I'm far from comfortable with EQs but for now I'd rather stick with something like Pro-Q3. Mixroom takes way too much high frequencies out of my track, like in your video. I know I can tweak the settings but I could problably get the same results in less time just sticking with a more traditional EQ plugin. Maybe I just need to play around with it a bit more but that was my first impression of Mixroom.
@@michaelwirth6843 no, I think I don’t have to waste my time to understand this complete thrash design. By the way, that’s why it seemed complicated to you, because there’s a terrible interface)
@@michaelwirth6843 The issue is EQ is complex not for turning dials or sliders EQ is HARD for learning how to do it with your ears. I don't see what problem this is trying to solve?
I wonder if I’m the only one who wants to know who this singer she has a beautiful voice haha and can I reach her? I like these snake oils tho I appreciate your content
First of all, I really like this production of Sandstorm :) This EQ sounds pretty good, but I'm a bit confused by it. What does it actually try to achieve? How does this improve my workflow? Is it just a bunch of EQ presets with a gimmicky UI?
The gui is fantastic because it makes more clear what is the most important bit, i would not rely on presets. If you want more highs, cut the lows. It can't really challenge professional plugins. Animate is a better tool by MTM one can for sure set in right place with dynamic processors, it is more of a time saver. Demoed the bassroom plugin, did not like it.
Not a fan of weird interfaces. Save up for Ozone 9 or something from iZotope since they offer some of the best plugins for the money. Their AI assistants work great and I can only image how they will be years from now. Nectar is already amazing at quickly unmasking vocals, etc.
The point is, as i understand it, it analyzes a reference track and apply the EQ to your own track? just adding EQ to a random track is pointless, as this video shows... i don't get it tbh...
They should start giving "the worst" awards to yt channels, wytse is a prime specimen for that nomination....have some common decency, youre pissing in the eye of people watching your videos and the manufacturer.