Regarding the issue of intelligent whales, I've always enjoyed a quote from Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - "Man has always assumed that he is more intelligent than dolphins because he has achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But, conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons."
@@karlwest437 that is a very Human interpretation.... Because humans are arrogant.... Intelligence has nothing to do with accomplishments or physical achievements.... Intelligence is the ability to absorb information.... ability to understand.... We can't physically see a Dolphins intelligence...but those that live interacting with them can feel the intelligence .... In Avatar... they can connect with living beings on a different level ..the bond lets them see eachothers thoughts and feelings.... it's a direct link to the essence of life..... unfortunately we can't make that connection in real Life...which is why only those who spend their lives with these animals are able to experience the intelligence
@@edwinnavedojr they made a fun point about that in the latest season of 'The Orville'. Its also a human flawed logical argument thats used when dominating or colonizing a "lesser" culture. "Oh, you live in mud huts? Well we live in cities and have guns and bombs. You cant be as smart as us because you live in these mud huts so we're going to take over around here 😊" - Colonizer logic
From the Dolphins' perspective, humans are probably weird for wanting to build strange boxes to live in, and swing sticks around. Just because they have no interest in what we prioritize, doesn't make them stupid, they just have different values from us.
@@edwinnavedojr I feel like we’re on the same wavelength! People are inherently greedy and we hoard every resource available including knowledge which turned out to be to our benefit but also lead to acquiring arrogance to measure intelligence by solely using our one dimensional criteria of physical evidence of intelligence. So basically if whales cannot pass SATs, they are dumb 🤦🏼♂️
I personally really loved Neytiri. Zoe Saldana gave a moving performance and watching her go beast mode at the end after her son died was one my favorite scenes in the movie.
Really impressive how James Cameron made me care more about the new characters than the originals👀 Also, the moment that guy's arm was ripped off was nuts. The whole audience gasped
The steel cable tightened around his arm and I'm like no they wouldn't show that... as soon as I formed that thought, boom! Arm ripped off flying through the air. :O
What I took from the film is that Kiri has no father. When Grace’s life was unable to be saved, Eywa instead recompensed her life with Kiri. Grace’s avatar was essentially impregnated when it was connected to the Tree as she died. It explains how Kiri is able to do exactly what Eywa does, namely control nature. She’s Eywa’s Avatar in a way.
The whales being super smart was genius to me. It just adds to the magic of Pandora. I mean look at the native people…they’re big and blue…look at all the creatures, the plant systems….The plant having extremely smart whales isn’t even a thing that would surprise me.
I agree with this. Especially since marine biologists think that earth’s whales and dolphins are of a similar intelligence to humans as well, with the potential to even feel more and deeper emotions than humans. I think the base of this increased intelligence was shown by the communication between the different species
It definitely took me out of it for like a split second, but like. Our whales and dolphins are very smart. So pandora’s whales being super smart is buyable to me.
Me either. Agreed. She has the weirdest takes. And why is she hating on Sam worthington n James Cameron. But every female actor is amazing?.. ya not obvious at all grace
What Neyteri did with Spider was lowkey unforgivable to me - big big Spider fan. Also Sully's treatment of his second eldest really annoyed me. So when his father did the "I see you" at the end, darn it, I chocked up.
Grace, I strongly have to disagree on Sam Worthingtons performance. It was confident, well matured compared with the more wild and naive performance of the first film. I think his range of emotion was exactly what it was supposed to be. He needed to be the pillar of his family, someone they can all lean on as fathers be. Not quite sure what else he could have done differently or improve in any way.
@@nohaybandaninguna I’m actually referring to the very last moment where they zoom in on jake sulleys face… the detail and textures they created literally had me convinced that was real footage captured on film.
once again I sit here with PADS (Post Avatar Depression Syndrome) the way this movie transported me all over again, is a feeling I will never forget, a stunning achievement across the board. Particular accolades to Zoe Saldana, the energy she carries when she gets on her Banshee to go avenge her son, and the rage she let loose upon the humans, a rage that cost her fathers bow gave me chills.
I cried when Neteyam died. When I think of Avatar: The Way of Water. I don't remember the water scenes or action fights, what really stayed with me was the death of a tulkun and Neteyam. Like those scenes WAS SO PAINFUL FOR ME.
It’s all so phony. None of the characters are real. And the premise of the film respawns them anyway. No one really dies, learns anything or changes. It’s a f’kn video game.
@@fanatiquedisanders6360 : Good be. But there are almost 70 professional reviews of the film saying the same things, but you go ahead and keep telling yourself it’s our fault.
@@zenla1033 We all interpret the films differently, so if you feel that way, okay. If that's how you feel on the film, then that's on you. But I really loved the film, felt relatable in a way, and enjoyed it so much.
I thought Spider was kinda silly at first, but halfway thru I actually liked that he’s basically Tarzan, born into a world that isn’t his, being a Navi at heart. I also appreciated Kiri’s development, having struggled with seizures myself. There’s still so much that *humans* don’t know about them that I agreed when Grace said that the scientists diagnosing Kiri with epilepsy probably wasn’t accurate, just their way of trying to quantify it bc they still don’t fully understand Eywa or Pandora. Both Kiri and Spider are fascinating characters.
Colonel Quaritch is actually amazing in this Film. I was a major fan of his character in Avatar,and in Avatar 2 he gets a Massive improvement with his character.
OMG. Grace there are many forms of intelligence. Of course those Avitar whales can be as intelligent as humans. Just because they don’t write things down or live in a whale house does not mean they lack intelligence. They are just more connected with their environment. They love and feel as have sense of spirituality .
The navi can maybe can conected to them. Its is like you meet justin bieder on the flight and he sings yummy without instromenst , textbook. You would say also "yes he wrote and ing a full song out of his mind" And musik is different on pandora it is not like "nice on earth we had this Hamilton guy he makes musik from the sea to from a watergod on disney chanel "
I watched it in IMAX 3D on opening night and it was the first time since Endgame that the entire cinema was packed! The visuals in this movie are at least 3 levels above anything from Marvel. There is no director out there that does 3D better. This is also one of the rare times where the sequel is much better than the original!
I like the fact that the neytiri truly became a wild animal.over her family. Just like the General said she was. Her performance was truly amazing. You go zoe Saldana.
@@marcofernando9058 It is for me. I would have liked a 3D documentary with real nature, rather than all of Cameron’s cheezy schmaltz and corn pone. HooRah BS.
@@zenla1033 what I’m saying is that has nothing to do with the point I’m making regarding the intelligence of whales. I’m glad you like whale documentaries I guess 🤷🏻♀️ lol
I was absolutely stunned to see how spectacular this film looked!!! It was astonishing and the last shot felt so real that I immediately wanted to see the film again
I watched the first avatar with my friends and we loved it it was spectacular, and we watched avatar 2 together and we’re fathers now and we got emotional had so much fun it is more than just a movie it’s an event ❤️
Definitely a must see. Especially in 3d... out of this world with the the visuals. First movie I have seen since endgame that I will go see a second time in theaters. It was gorgeous. and I liked the story and world building.
This movie did something I didn’t feel possible.. made me excited to see the 3rd film! I really enjoyed the first film and love my 3D. So of course I was going to watch this movie. But given how long it had taken, I was sceptical. But yes it was a fun “ride” and I would definitely take that ride again.
I fucking loved this movie so deeply. Seeing it with my father will go down as one of the most special experiences of my life. I hope you and your family have a wonderful holiday season
I recently watched the original movie, and Unobtainium was a superconductor without being cooled down to insanely cold temperatures, i.e. it is a superconductor at room temperature. They may have a high-tech use for it, but, in theory, they can construct electrical wiring with no energy loss because superconductors have no resistance. It would help quite a bit in our time.
I didn’t see Neytiri wasn’t in the back seat. I think she trusted him as he trusted her. She almost got them kick out the water civilization before Jake calmed her down. But he then says he needs her when it was time to really fight knowing how strong she really is.
My husband and I watched it Thursday night in 3D and I absolutely was mesmerized. I tend to not watch movies in 3D because I get migraines but I’m so glad I watched it in 3D this time. Breathtaking. Absolutely breathtaking.
My favorite character was the chief of the water ppl (Badass and understated) and the whale!! Sully's surviving son was also well done and will be really interesting to watch him evolve into his father's role.
Absolutely loved it. Light on action but tons of world building and tons of characters building. Cameron used 3D perfectly. Held back tears and visually the movie is nuts. Damn those Na'vi look so real.
I didn’t think it was light on action. It’s a long movie, so there’s a lot more than just action, but there were like at least 5 major action sequences, including the climax that lasted like an hour. Also, just because there isn’t violence, doesn’t mean there isn’t action. Learning to swim and bond with the sea creatures and all that were action sequences too.
This was a million times better than the first I am now invested in this franchise give me all of these films James Cameron I will be there in the theatre every time
cameron knows how how to tell great stories, this was an excellent sequel, part,3, 4, and 5 are on the way, every two years now we will get an avatar flick!
This is my first time crying for a movie , I cried three times , I was not an avatar person , I was 8 and thought it was the last airbender movie James Cameron nailed the concept of humanity no matter how much he used aliens to do it , it’s such a powerful film even beyond the action , it’s not even just an action film it’s a movement film in a way a dancer moves to tell a story , it was just simply beautiful
@@StephenAlanChandler I guess lol but definitely Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, Alien/Aliens, gladiator, inception, avengers infinity war, Indiana Jones: Temple of Doom, Top Gun Maverick
@@gavinhustead30 Those are good choices. I enjoy all kinds of movies but picking from the top of my head, I’d say Interstellar, Pulp Fiction, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Hook, Seven, Hacksaw Ridge and Perks of Being a Wallflower 👌
Great movie! I can't wait for Avatar 3 to fully realise Kiri's full potential. The only 2 weird things that I didn't really get behind was Spider just going along with everything & how Neytiri was legit gonna kill Spider and there was no scene afterwards to show they made up..
That’s the point it think! There is now that tension that is obvious to the entire family between Neytiri and Spider. I think they will explore that in 3, which I love.
Those new avatars are polynesian inspired. Having them as water avatars with connection to whales, with polynesian inspired tattoos as scales was very amazing
I just saw it. I just don't like the whole let's do the same villian again but change it alittle. It feels like sloppy writing. Maybe come up with something that is going to threaten their world other then the dude you already killed. Other than that, the frame rate thing was a bit wonky was fast for a second then slowed down. The visuals are stunning you can see the water droplets on their faces and the 3d was crazy good. I overall enjoyed the movie it was a 1 time watch for me and the plot was decent but the last half was really when things got great. I'd give it a 7/10 I do say it is a must watch in the theater tho. I'm trying to convince people to see this but most of them don't have time to rewatch the first one then go see this.
Some scenes are ripped from the first movie and most of the other scenes are ripped from all the other movies in existence, there are so many cliches and tropes, it's like he used every single one of them. It's just so predictable and badly written in my opinion. The graphics are outstanding though...
Your review is accurate. And more honest than Graces. Grace famously didn’t like the original film….even though just because it was the 1st time, it was not as tiresome a collection of predictable cliches as this on. Her opinion sometimes just seems to be reflection of preexisting state of mind. There’s no logic behind the review. There are now over 50 bad reviews of this film on RT which I say the *same thing* again and again. Grace is like - ‘what?’ - I don’t see the problem?? Sure Grace.
I enjoy the movie but i got to agree that recycling the villain is something that I’m having trouble with especially since he will be the villain for the upcoming sequels as well, i just don’t get how will that be interesting for 3 more movies
@@karlahale2843 It’s exactly what Scorsese said about Marvel - but somehow Cameron and co can’t smell their own f@rts. _Nothing is at stack. It’s a template for the same movie made over and over again._ Everyone can literally respawn for $$$$$.
I feel that neytiri here was being a wife but also being her own woman and I agree with you completely I particularly love the scene where neytiri was hissing at the other place queen of the village. It’s been a long while since we have seen a family together and their roles are as such but powerful in their own ways. I absolutely loved the film. I was not expecting it to be this good but went with a friend anyway and omg I was kind of depressed afterward to leave because I wanna be on pandora too lol.
I actually didn't like this movie that much after being so hyped and loving the first one. I think emotionally it doesn't connect as much as James Cameron movies usually do. I knew very early on that the first son who was given almost no lines and attention would be the one to die if any of them died and it was such a boring choice. He had almost no dialogue the whole movie and was by far the most bland character in the movie. Not only did this make it predictable but it also made the emotional scenes at the end have was less impact than they could have if they'd chosen to kill off a character the audience would actually care about. For me the emotional core for the story was missing and so I didn't really care about anything that was going on. I don't even think there was a single conversation between Neytiri and the first son and get his death and her reaction is treated as if it was Jack's death in Titanic.
I do feel Sam Worthington gets a bit to much unwarranted flack. He does a very commendable job in the Avatar movies but people got burned out with him when they tried to push him into movie star status years back with some miscast roles I think he’s been a great Jake Sully
Some of the best 3D I've seen since I saw the first one in theaters and it's definitely one of the best visual effects in movies ever (probably the best since we saw the effects in Endgame in 2019). Cameron is definitely great at crafting these somewhat simple stories with very complex themes and giving us an unforgettable experience with the visuals. The world of Pandora is definitely amazing to explore and it's so well crafted and so well put together that you really have a memorable experience when it comes down to it. I wouldn't mind more movies exploring 3D like this.
Saw it Today... It's a masterpiece of cinematic experience. Going again with family this Sunday...going again with office colleague.. this movie is 3 billion atleast at box office.
I think eywa somehow made graces avatar pregnant while she was connect to the tree of souls in the first film. That’s why kiri looks and sounds like grace, she just has graces dna and is a clone but can also control fauna and flora like eywa
The Idea for the Humans can't save Kiri. I think it makes perfect sense. She obviously has a connection with Eywa and Eywa is a living god. I would totally believe if human science couldn't help something that is out of their league so to speak. Avatar Lore has already made clear that there are psychics and healers in the form of the Queen of a clan. Who have a deep understanding and relationship with Eywa more than the common Navi. Makes sense to me.
I'm not a Sam Worthington fanatic, but I definitely think his performance as well as the writers of his character deserve a little more credit. I absolutely loved Jake and the soldier-turned-father exploration in this movie. Anyway love your reviews!
The thing that really stood out to me for Jake is that how he’s still such a human in comparison and a soldier , I wonder if they’re going to explore that at all and if it s going to be a personal struggle for him
I don't understand how this movie is getting good reviews from critics. It's not nearly as good as they are making it out to be. Weak story line, the sequel wasn't earned with the ending. Besides the visuals nothing else was all that, special, very predictable
79% RT score is not that great. The reason so many critics are simply ignoring the movies flaws, including its unintelligent themes which have been *completely mooted by GET OUT* since the 1st film, is because the industry desperately needs a win. Theaters and critics need this film to succeed. They are already making excuses for the Thursday box office not come close to setting any kind of records. Blah Blah - the film is not front loaded and will keep playing forever - until it makes money. Note: This is convenient because it allows for unlimited propaganda no matter how the film does in the meantime. PS - I do think the film will make at least $ 1 billon overseas alone, but it won’t set domestic records.
Loved every character. The plot wasnt crazy good but the world building and character development is exactly what i was hoping for. Love this movie sm more then the first
Metkayina for me as an Aussie screamed Kiwi. From the facial tattoos to the general facial expression and attitudes when they look like going into battle, probably doing a version of a Haka would have been a step to far and specific
They did just start one just as they were rallying later in the movie, I think in the scene where the chief grabbed the sonar tag and stepped on the podium in the hut. I do recall they did at least the pukana.
Sometimes you say some of the strangest things. Earth whales have their own languages and yes they make music without having thumbs. So idk what your uninformed issue with the whales in the movie is.
Just got out of a screen a few hours ago and WOW what an experience, the visuals blew me away. I audibly gasped a few times. The opening mission with jake and his family on the RDA was acc one of my fav scenes in the film. Don’t know why but it just excited me so much like “this is what you guys are up to now ???”
I'll admit I like this one slightly more than the first one. My one issue is when you are going through the experience of everything it's great but when Jake or someone is explaining it you get taken out of the movie. I hate when movies have to do exposition dumps because it doesn't feel natural.
Cant blame the spider guy. They told him they got a tracker on his helmet, and we’re gonna send him back to them mad scientists to get tortured if he tried running. Anytime he could of helped the navi he did what he could. He weren’t switching sides more liking doing the best he could with the situation he was in
Just finished watching it in a packed IMAX 3D. It was the most visually stunning film I have ever seen. The stuff in the water was next level. It also has the best 3D I have experienced. James Cameron does it again. Never bet against Jimmy C 😁
The only thing I didn't like was that the bad guy didn't drown after being choked out and the hero struggled to surface even though hes been training underwater for the entire movie. Also Spider had no trouble holding on to the water dragon on his first try when all the avatars didn't have the strength to do it in the learning phase.
Watched it in IMAX 3D this morning and damn what a ride! Loved every bit of it and was able to watch the whole thing without having to go to the bathroom lol. The 3D blew me away!
"Na'vi" are the species, but the Omatikaya Clan is the clan that Neytiri is from. You kept referring to them as the Na'vi, although you're technically correct, that's not the specific group of the Na'vi that Jake and Neytiri and their family is from in the jungles. So they are the Omatikaya Clan and the water tribes are known as the Metkayina Clan
Just saw it in Dolby Cinema 3D (4K HFR) and wow did I hold my breath at certain points. It was truly stunning. Little bit jarring going from 24 fps to 48 fps, but hands down what 3D is meant to be.
I dont think this video counts as a movie review, is it a good movie? A bad movie? I still dont know what you verdict is... you're talking about characters and plot points but... how's the movie? This is not a review, it's a movie analysim.
It’s not a good movie. It’s an industry marketing scam taken to the point of desperation. Note: I liked the 1st one. But not being a sheep…I expect to see some progress addressing the weak points of the 1st film and not *denial* plus repetition of same mistakes.
The Tulkun being highly-intelligent forces us to face the truth of our existence as well. We have very little idea how intelligent other species’ are. We have theories and we can test them based on human capabilities, but unless we can communicate and understand every decision or whim they have, we really don’t know. The Metkayina came up with a way to communicate on a more philosophical level. Imagine what we’d learn if we could figure out how to communicate with another species like that. 🤯
The movie was okay. It didn’t change my opinion of the franchise, but at least the trope in this one was less cringe. The comparison of the Avatar to Get Out is also really unavoidable once you hear it
Still skeptical, it was in many ways a retread of the original, same tree, way too many of the same beats. I need to watch it on super imax so I can be enthralled with the visuals I guess
The original AVATAR is one of my top 5 movies. This new one just topped it for me. I love this movie. I saw the 3D version and I was transported to Pandora. The visuals were so amazing that I had a little sensory overload. There was just so much to see in every scene. I plan to go back to see it again to look deeper into the scenes for things that I missed the first time.
The scene where Avatar Quaritsch holds his human skull and crushes it was quite Hamletious, but how easy the other Avatar soldiers die was pathetic and wasteful.
Just watch the movie today and what can I say. For 3 and half hours I was not thinking about work and all the other things we deal with on a daily basis. I was locked in with my 3D glasses and enjoyed the world of Pandora. Beautiful and Great Film👌🏾
Just went to see Way of Water with the fam in IMAX 3D, and Grace… Jimmy Cameron actually did it… wow. I haven’t FELT so hard in a movie in I can’t even remember. 10/10 movie for me. I’m recommending it to everyone I know. I think word of mouth will really help this film
Grace… whales are actually nearly that smart in real life. They teach culture, have regional cultures and languages/ dialects, war, songs all of it short of actually speaking to us.
The hype for this film is dying by the hour the 1st reviews all but orgasmed over it. After about 50 RT reviews it was at 83%. Now it’s down to 77%. Lol. That’s pretty weak. It’ll still make money, heck the hype got my money and yours, but I’m still calling bullshit on the film and it’s phony hype machine.
