Chris Stuckmann reviews Avatar: The Way of Water, starring Sam Worthington, Zoe Saldana, Sigourney Weaver, Kate Winslet, Stephen Lang. Directed by James Cameron.
My theory is that if they go all together they kill the kids. The deal was sully for the kids and they wanted to keep them alive so only sully and his wife went there. But that does need some dialog to work
I wish you talked more about Neteyam’s death. I personally feel like he was done dirty. He had barely any story arc & whenever he was on screen, it was him being yelled at for not stopping his brother from doing something stupid. I get his death was needed for Lo’ak and Jake’s growth, but that’s a shame he was just a stepping stone for them.
Finally someone with the same thoughts. I also left the theater feeling like the whale’s death scene was given more time and highlight while Neteyam’s felt rushed (not talking about his “funeral”, just the actual moment of death). He, as the eldest son of a couple of war heroes, could’ve had a much more interesting and engaging arc instead of serving only as a device for his brother’s growth. I don’t even think he should’ve died to be honest, at least not in the second movie. :(
Agreed, one of my main criticisms for the movie is that Neteyam barely got any screen time. Also I wish we got more of Jake and Neytiri, they’re my favorite characters
@@ltcdpl I thought his death scene was handled perfectly. Just beautiful. But I def agree he could have had more scenes before that. Also Lo'ak is just so distinct looking and the older brother just wasn't.
I absolutely loved the part where Neytiri went on that rampage after her elder son getting killed. You could see it in her eyes when she picked up her bow and looked at Jake before she went to the ship. Was unreal acting by Zoe, and i loved every minute of it.
I liked the symbolism behind natiri breaking her father's bow after the end of her rampage. I'm sure there's a million ways to interpret it but to me it seemed like the story was subtly telling us that you lose a piece of yourself when you resort to such violence and vengeance. She got so focused on hurting those that wronged her that she forgot to treat her weapon and heritage with the respect and care it needed.
she was there to save her other kids, she did not resorted to violence and vengeance - she was forced to fight to protect her loved ones. She did not just went for killing spree, she even wanted to leave after the one kid died, it was not hers choice to kill, so why would she lost piece of herself? Defending your loved ones is bad?
One detail I appreciated is that they didn't gloss over the death of Neteyam. Alot of movies will kill off a child or some other close character at the climax for the instant emotional effect and they are mourned in that scene, but the loss is then subsequently forgotten about the next day when everyone is good vibes celebrating the victory during the falling action. I like how we see realistic mourning behavior of Jake and Neytiri from there on out with the film literally ending on Jake reminiscing on memories of his beloved child. You actually felt like you truly watched parents lose a child, not just a plot device death.
I also liked how "ugly" his death was. It wasn't noble with everyone saying their goodbyes. He's panicking and gasping for air until he goes completely lifeless. It was MUCH more impactful.
@@Biffmin Agreed. I much prefer jarring realism over fantastical idealism. The latter undermines the emotional weight of whatever tragedy was portrayed
the death of the whale and the calf was so heart-wrenching bc the last scene with them alive and happy was when they swam to interact with the water tribe
There is some irony in this scene, considering the obvious racial and cultural allegory at play in the Avatar series. There are VERY few peoples still engaged in whaling on Planet Earth, the REAL world. Among them, are indigenous tribes of North America, that hunt Grey Whales and are aloud to do so because it is 'part of their culture' or something. Also, I hope the hypocrite Leftists that cry over the death of this fake Pandora whale understand that after most nations had stopped commercial whaling in the early 20th century, it was their beloved Soviet Union and its marxist regime that virtually obliterated the Blue Whales inside of a decade. Tens of thousands slaughtered each year, and within a decade none could be found. It happened so quickly with the industrial equipment available at that time. Prior to that, Blue Whales had only rarely been targeted because of their immense size and strength.
@@gamingrex2930 It's definitely similar. Watch the first one again. Once more he has to introduce himself to another higher tribe. As many know, in the first one he had to gain trust. Same thing in this film. It's a terrible . He brought war where other tribes lived once again. The Spider character played a part in it , so that was predictable. Worst film for waiting nearly 14 years. And it's not like the first one was that great. Just do some research this one barely cracks 80% on RT and lower ratings on other websites. Of this movie comes out right after the first Avatar let's say 2010 or 2011, the movie would get shit ratings. But because the era and time we live in now, it gets boosted with praise because of the support of Natives and James Can isn't racist. Lol
What I loved about the movie was how they made Neytiri’s grief so realistic. The disassociation and numbness in her eyes when Jake tells her they have to save the girls was so accurate. And the intense anger she feels when she’s on the ship. I also loved the scene where spider hides from Neytiri during her rampage. Spider lives like the Navi people and was welcome and accepted but that was the moment it really hit him that he is human and they are Navi people. I wonder if that will play a role in the next couple of films
Yes, I’m glad someone else was impacted by the “Spider hiding from Na’tiri “ scene, maybe it was simply showing how feral she got & Spider found her unrecognisable & fearsome, I’m interested how the next movie will explore their relationship.
@@asianboysanchez113 i think in the beginnin of the movie it was already said and established that Neytiti is more on the spider is not one of us mentality compared to Jacke Sully. So it was a raher consistant that she would not care as much for spider when her own child is in danger.
Neytiri going on one really struck a nerve with me, you can tell just how much grief she expressed even though when she's on the ship she's like a fleeting visage of murder, she wants the fighting over so quickly she just decides to go and do it herself, you can tell how distraught she is and you barely see her up until the final guy where she just bawls in his face while her knife is in her chest; and I personally loved it, I thought she was amazing, Zoe Saldana killed her role as Neytiri
her violence in the end was probably frustration from how poorly she was represented in the movie until then, she just had one scene where she growled against the other girl and then she was pretty much out of the movie until the last battle.
I like how this finale was on a smaller scale compared to avatar 1. If avatar 2 had an even larger scale battle, then they would need continued buildup until avatar 5, which would have been stale by then. I like this conflict being more personal, it feels more real.
@@spacedoodles they literally said there’s gonna be five movies, so I don’t know what you mean with regards to the math question! They literally said they’re going to build it up to the 5th installment in less I am reading it wrong
Dude, that scene of the whale being murdered and its calf waiting by its side fucking tore my heart out. I'm trying not to tear up just thinking about it.
im starting to think i’m numb to hollywood death scenes the kids dying and the whale did nothing to me and with a ps5 im kinda used the very fancy visuals already lol but this movie did look good
When Jake said “then let’s get it done” and starts duking it out with the Colonel, I was locked in till the very end of the film. That moment gave me chills.
@@timecorn yeah that was my biggest gripe with the plot. i feel like a scene where the colonel is asked to go after the new leader, but refuses and bargains to be allowed to kill jake first would have helped. should have made it just a vendetta rather than a mission.
Ultimately the human colony is outnumbered, greatly, and know if they give the natives reasons to unite (Toruk Makto) they're fucked. Having Earth based corpo interests funding parts of the operation is also unsurprising. Taking out the leader is sound strategy and prior attempts have failed because the planet as a whole is exhibiting an immune response to the human presence. Lots of thoughts in my head :)
I feel like the Spider-Na’vi-Quaritch plot line was left on the cutting room floor. The intro mentions that Neytiri doesn’t really see Spider as one of them.
I feel like it’s probably less that it was cut and more that its supposed to be set-up for the plotline to really happen in Avatar 3/4, tho time will tell if thats the case
I think it was definitely just pushed for Avatar 3 and maybe 4 too. It's clear that Spider will be a key character in Quatrich's arc, but they didn't want to go too deep into that one yet. According to Cameron, the next film will flip the script and feature "the bad side of the Na'vi (in the form of the fire people / Ash Tribe) and the good side of the humans" so I guess that's when we'll see Quatrich's redemption arc, which was teased a couple times in this one.
one thing I think Chris is missing is that, the main reason I feel like Spider saved his life was because his "dad" saved him from the torture which I believe would've killed him. So its kind of like a favor thing, cuz rmber he never had a father figure.
I agree with almost everything. Jake's narration earlier in the movie explains how Neytiri feels about Spider...and I believe that Spider knows this. When she's going on her rampage, Spider hides from her because he knows how she feels. Their relationship should be completely severed in the next movie, with either Kiri mending that relationship or leaving the Sully's to be with Spider. Kiri is, by far, my favorite character.
No way kiri would leave her entire family for spider lol. I didn’t see any sort of emotional chemistry between them at least from kiri, they seem to just be friends no way she chooses a freinds over her family
One moment that also gives Quarritch some small development is when he decides not to kill any Na’vi the first time they raid the villages. I also feel like there were small character beats throughout the second half of the movie where he doesn’t necessarily support what the sky people are doing in regards to hunting the whales. Quarritch is in fact still on a mission and only has one goal in mind; to capture and kill Jake Sully. I feel as if he will turn the tides as a character in the future installments because he is become Na’vi essentially. Spider didn’t have to save him, and I feel like this action will cause Quarritch to question his goals and intentions. Remember he isn’t the same person/character as the original Quarritch, only implanted with his memories. Aside from some plot holes and moments where we question when he could’ve killed Jake or his children, I feel like he was the most interesting character by far, and I’m excited to see where his arc lands in the future.
totally agree! i feel like having spider as his son in the story, cameron's trying to paint a bigger picture that no matter how messed up we can be in destroying the environment, we can still right our wrongs for the next generation. i don't think cameron will just throw away that character in a useless way, even if he did some horrible things. but i hope his redemption arc will be satisfying.
I'd definitely like to see quarritch become the anti-hero. Not becoming friends with Jake and his family, but eventually doing enough to earn Jake's respect. I suspect they'll introduce a new bad guy in Avatar 3 and will mostly just build him/her up for that film, all while slowly tipping Quarritch towards the good side and then Avatar 4 would possibly even see Quarritch sacrificing himself to help stop the new bad guy. I also feel like they need to bring Jake back to his former glory. In the first film he formed and led an entire army with military tactics. In this film, he's just running scared the whole time and shitting on his younger son nonstop and overall just kinda cold towards his kids. Even when the whale causes a distraction on the boat, he pretty quickly runs out of ammo and doesn't do a whole lot. The whole point of the movie is that he's focused on protecting his family, but it's hard to feel that when he doesn't seem to express all that much care for his kids.
Hopefully there are more of these small character moments when Cameron releases a Special Edition. Because, knowing Cameron, there is bound to be a special edition.
I’m still convinced there are earlier scenes with Spider expressing his desire to understand the human side. Would explain a lot of his character arc and fix a lot of issues.
@Silk Sonic I wish tenet had like a 4 hour cut. I loved the movie but I know there is like 2 hours on the cutting room floor. It felt kinda rushed the jumping from one place to another. Doesn’t deserve the treatment it got. I absolutely love tenet. I really hope the success of avatar will show these studios that people will watch 3 hour movies. Nolan should be able to have a 3+ hour movie
This guy was paid to praise this film. This film was bad. Dialogue was hilariously cringe and the story was crap and the CGI was video game material for the majority. Wake the F up people. This was crap and all the critics praising it should not be taken seriously. FFS
One of the best cinematic experiences I've had in my life its a must watch on imax 3d. It was 3 hours long felt like 90 mins I was blown away by the world Cameron created The cinematography the world the cg was out of this world. Will definitely watch it again it was that good
felt like 2 hours because it was really tropey, also the kids calling each other "bRo" was kinda cringe, i could tell they were acting like African kids from tribes or whatever.
visuals were not that good. Yea technically they were the best of the best ever done - but that doesnt matter. I had the literally same experience from video games. Subnautica made you feel much more for the water than avatar 2 and it has amazing story, not cliche after cliche. It was not the worst movie, just bloated and overhyped. Visuals does not save bad story
felt like 5 hours to me..maybe even 6. The world was pretty enough, but watching them ooh and ahh over the beauty of the world got old real fast. I thought it was pretty, but not enough to distract me from the thin, predictable story and big boom boom battle. I know I'm in the minority. I didn't particularly want to see it; I went because a loved one wanted to see it...the same reason I saw the first. I hope he doesn't want to see the third....but he probably will....sigh.
I am loosing my taste for movies then. Feels like people are overselling this movie!! I haven't seen it yet, but I am very aligned with @GrieferOnCamera. Seems like the movie is a trail of tropes and cringe moments.
Many people say that those 30 minute scenes of just show off CGI where they just swim and explore is boring but they want you to feel relaxed and feel you’re really there and I was stunned and that effect really worked on me because of the animals, music, landscapes and I love the ocean world in general
Those scenes were important to make you get a connection with the ocean and its beauty. Enjoyed every minute of it. The movie was a real experience because of scenes like them.
One of the emotional beats that really caught me off guard was the way they used "I see you" in this one, with Lo'ak (the younger son) seeking validation for so long and finally getting it from Tsireya (water tribe daughter) and again at the end by Jake. I felt like I got blindsided with it and it just pierced through me with the feels. I'm the youngest of my family and I wasn't consciously connecting to Lo'ak until "I see you" was said and I almost teared up thinking "Shit, man, I see him too." I went into this movie thinking it would be all spectacle (and there was a lot of spectacle) but there's a surprising amount of heart behind the characters too.
@@munehboiKiri is voiced by Sigourney Weaver (yeah she’s back but this time as a teenager!) and I’m guessing the sound engineers probably gave up at one point trying to make her sound like Alien-era Sigourney Weaver and just left it at that
The thing that bugged me most was Spider's decision in the end.. I get it. He saved his dad (technically), but he saved the enemy who killed Jake's son. I'm sure that'll be something that gets touched on in the sequels, I'd be lying though if I said him switching sides didn't bug me.
They definitely should’ve had more scenes between spider and his dad since they had been together for months by that point and his dad did show him he does care about him
Neytiri tried to kill him, so it made sense that he wouldn’t feel to comfortable around them, besides, that moment showed spider that the colonel cares about him
@@yveltalpoderoso1303 only time spider was scared of Natiri, was when she was battle mad and might shoot him before she even recognized him. If you notice the whole time she has a knife to his neck he's more scared his dad's going to stop somebody not her, when she cuts his chest and says a son for a son she's ritualistically killed him and claimed him as her own son (which is probably the only reason they showed Sully stepping down is chieftain so you could see that ritual). When she goes to make a big motion to stab him she's not even close to follow through with the knife arc. The second the colonel drops the other girl she shoves Spider protectively behind her. As far as she's concerned he is her son now. He's also very empathetic so that's why he can't just let his dad die.
My favourite part of the film was neytiri’s rampage. She was mowing down everyone left right and centre. No one will understand the scene and connect with it unless you are a parent or have lost a child due to someone else’s actions. It was so masterfully done, and her screaming down on her last victim legit gave me goosebumps.
I’m not a parent but this scene really hit me hard. I think it hurts more by how sudden it all happens and how she continues to scream and cry even when the action is taken elsewhere. Plus Zoe Saldana’s acting is also what makes it so effective! Plus, the fact that it’s her first child who she went through all of her firsts with when it came to having all her kids also makes it hurt so much worse
unfortunately the movie did not gave us much on her relationship with that kid or any other of them, she got too little time on screen and her character was pretty much just used as Jakes henchman, when she was on screen she was just following him without her own mind
I liked the few scenes with Spider, where he's scared of how animalistic and ferocious Neytiri gets when she's on her rampages. I agree that the screenplay doesn't quite earn that he saves his father, but I didn't mind it since he doesn't end up going with him. I'm looking forward to seeing more of Kiri. It obviously seems like some sort of virgin birth, but it's going to be interesting to learn more. The scene with her controlling the giant sea anemone things was awesome.
Kiri is in tune with the planet, moreso than anyone else, and that ability has yet to be fully realized. I'm quite excited to see what she eventually becomes, because even the simplest logical progressions would essentially give her the abilities of the being the entirety of the na'vi worship, which itself _is_ the planet's integrated subconscious network between the beings on it.
@@ultmateragnarok8376 She is The Jesus of Pandora. Pandora is similar to God. Let's just hope that she doesn't have her life cut short like our Jesus :(
I hear you. Watched it today with my two boys, my wife and my mother in law (ages from 17 to 84), we all loved it and having my family with me (especially at the end) made it a very special experience.
I can tell you didn't notice, but the material from the whales they extract is supposed to be what we kill whales for to make certain make ups here in real life. He made the reason they kill whales almost exactly the same as us, which I think is why this scene hits even harder
That’s not entirely true. We harvest Whale Vomit (Ambergris), which usually floats to the surface. That being said, it is also harvested alongside whale fat and whale meat, so as to not waste a carcass when hunted.
I really liked the scene when Natiri was so angry that she would've sacrificed Spider in a heartbeat. It showed that Na'vii are quite human in a sense they're capable of doing awful things while desperate. It would be good to see this affect their relationship, but hopefully, they will do it in third movie. I really wanted to see some desperation also in humans who, knowing that the Earth is dying, would try to justify their actions, rather than just be evil for its sake. Also, the movie is filled with so many plotholes, and Chris barely scratches the surface with them.
Nailed it with this comment. All the major characters were multi layered , complex and flawed. I’d imagine this will be fleshed out in the sequels. A great example of she maybe made the right move for the wrong reasons?
Yes! I really hope we can get some more nuanced human military characters. As if all military personnel is just willing to kill and destroy whatever? And do it gladly? Where are the diplomats? It would make more sense for humans to start building colonies, not just big military camps trying to get some random expensive material.
@@kristin123a year i get why Cameron makes it black and white, but it make sometimes no sene. For examplle there was this marine biologist dude on the whale hunting boat who was all of a sudden against the captain, against the hunting. Like what did he expext would happen on whale hunting mission?
What interested me the most are the quiet scenes where Spider takes in the abject loss of human life while alone. Jack Champion does an incredible job displaying complex and conflicted emotions while he notes how many humans are dying while no one else seemingly cares. This is a guy who spent a lot of time around the Na'vi, who teach how sacred life is and to take a life is to do so with sorrow and respect, yet the Na'vi (especially Neytiri) have zero qualms about killing humans, implying that humanity isn't truly "alive" in the same way anything from Pandora is to them. Jake, tellingly, refers to humans as aliens and has essentially sworn off any affiliation with them apart from "some of the good ones" i.e. his science team friends. At first I thought this would lead to Spider siding with his father/humans in the end or in a sequel, but then I noticed that during the scene where the kids save the parents, Kiri also begins to notice and sadly take in the loss of human life. She was also begging Neytiri to release Spider and not go through with killing him, so I would not be surprised if Spider and Neytiri begin to pave their own way down the line in rejection of their parent's animosity Lion King 2 style.
My theory is they are so disappointed and let down in their franchise that they hate that somebody else loves their franchise. It’s mostly mcu and Star Wars fans that absolutely hate this movie without even seeing it.
Because people over praise them. They are not even above average as films but people act as if it was the second coming of Christ. Everyone loves a well thoughtout world. But bad story telling, cartoon levels of moustache twirling villains, plot holes, far too lengthy ecpositions of the fauna without any substance behind detracts so much from enjoying the world that it looses it value. This film is like fire works, looks pretty but it's effects dissapear as vapid as the ash left behind the explosion.
Has a 94% audience score and a 78% on rotten tomatoes. It made 500 million in the first 4 days. By all metrics you don’t know what you’re talking about
Marvel fans will NEVER forgive Avatar for being re-released and retaking the #1 box office spot from Endgame. They will also NEVER admit that the only reason Endgame beat Avatar to begin with was because it was re-released TWICE. Also, most of the hate comes from so-called geeks. They hate the fact their precious Star Wars and superhero movies can't beat a relatively new sci-fi IP at the box office. They hate the fact that "normies," grandpas and grandmas, people who don't go to comic cons, love Avatar and made it a huge success. The MCU hasn't been good since Endgame. Star Wars hasn't been good since Return of The Jedi. Yet these "geeks" will give them chance after chance until the end of time in hopes that they will get good again.
I liked this much more than the 1st, the family dynamic is much more interesting than the love story in the first. I am super excited to see what happens next. Not only will Spider have the secret he saved his Dad but he Sigurney Weaver's character loves him there should be some great family tension in the 3rd.
@@kamiswxrld I think this still needs to be explained in future movies or at least explored plus she had the stroke as well so that is still up in the air like why that happened
@@kamiswxrld because Grace (from Avatar 1) died and was buried with Eywa it could be her mind or memories were uploaded into Grace's avatar and created a child like Kiri from Grace's avatar, like how Quarritch's memories were uploaded into a new avatar but there's no biological connection, whereas there is with Kiri, obviously what i'm saying hypothetical but these were my first thoughts when Kiri was introduced. It totally possible for Eywa to do something like that as you can upload and extract data from the world tree's on Pandora, so surely being able to extract data such as Grace's DNA into her child Kiri is possible ? Let me know if you understood that bro :)
I went into Avatar 2 hoping they wouldn't do the cliché of trying to always make things "bigger and better". The final fight felt more grounded and fit well with the water theme. Personally I disagree with Chris's take on Quarritch being saved as his son had seen that there is some good in him. He's a complex character driven by his mission but is constantly self conflicted. You can see this when he hesitates to kill the villagers and grows a bond with his kid. He has some development to him so his son has that hope. Whether Quarritch changes his view and fully embraces the Na'vi like his kid or becomes further fueled by revenge - we'll see in the next film. But his son gave him a chance and he can put his demons aside and make things right. We forget, that in the first film Jake was too driven by his mission until he saw things through the Na'vi's eyes. Now we need to see if Quarritch will follow suite, even if it takes him longer to do so.
I also want to add that the special substance from the Turkun are reminiscent to what we do to actual whales in killing them for small parts of them used in cosmetics and such - spoiling the rest. This was highlighted in the movie - I cannot at this given moment remember if Spyder was the one who asked why they'd go through all this horrid effort just to harvest a small part of the animal. We do this to so many species on our own planet, the most popular one being the rhino. This little detail shows the narrow minded nature us humans possess and really lets it sink in that we will fight for our goals and not look at the greater implications it creates on the surrounding parties. Maybe this also ties in with Quarritch - he's so fueled by revenge that he is still overlooking the greater destrictiveness humanity is causing on the planet. He doesn't see yet that humanity will do to Pandora as they've done to Earth. They'll just hop on planet to planet taking all they need and leave waste to everyone and everything else. Humans are selfish. I praise Cameron for putting all these references to our past as humans and showing how history will always repeat itself
Lol, quarritch is not a complicated character. You can basically sum up his character as tough military guy out for revenge that has soft spot for his son.
I feel like the repercussions of Spider saving Quaritch will be a big part of the third film. Jake and Neytiri will very likely exile him from the family out of rage at him for sparing their son’s killer; Neytiri definitely will, at least. Then Spider will have to work to redeem himself. Also, knowing that his son saved him might impact Quaritch’s character development going forward. I think Quaritch has gone way too far to get a full redemption arc, but I feel like he might become a more morally grey character in the future, where he’s still an unlikable antagonist but has a few human aspects to him that we couldn’t see in the first film and that start to emerge in this film.
You are spot on with some major plot points being left unaddressed. I do believe Cameron is planting these seeds for the upcoming 3 sequels. I think Lo'ak is going to become the main protagonist and I am excited to see what they do with Spider in the sequels. James did a great job creating complex characters and expanding his world of Pandora. I was so impressed with the child actors performances; Britain Dalton was so good. Jaime Flatters did excellent as Neyetam and the last 3 minutes of the movie had me very emotional. The best part going forward is since Cameron has cracked the code on underwater filming, all the sequels are only 2 years apart.
I literally almost cried 2 times in the whaling scene. I went to watch this movie like I was wasting money but duuuuude, the feels. I want the third part right now
I agree, but I dont really understand why the scenes are there like this. People all over the civilized world know that hunting whales is bad. And almost everyone agrees on that. So was this just cheap shot to get people emotional?
@@histkontext For me it was so heartbreaking because it is something that really happens. We know that real whales are incredibly intelligent, some scientists think that they might be as intelligent as us. It is always heartbreaking when animals are hunted, but it’s even worse when they are this intelligent.
@@histkontext except some countries still hunt whales and unfortunately this depiction is not too far off. Though in reality is probably even worse as it can take hours to take the whale down after the first hit. At least now they can actually shoot them dead, but still.
Just saw it last on Saturday. Loved it. I've grown up in an era when people were trying to make animated water look like real water. Nobody has ever got it quite right, until Cameron and his crew. You forget so quickly that so much of this film is CGI. You just live in that world, eventually. Also, it's a MUCH more personal story, more so than Avatar was, anyway. That I really like. The family element was very well done. The whole 3rd act was amazing. I thought it was an excellent film, and an improvement over the original. I didn't mind the length at all, never found myself checking the time or anything like that. Check it out. It's going to need a major haul to see a profit. I'm not one who appreciates having 'The Message' shoved down my throat, but I didn't feel that this film did that. Whatever sins the film may allude to, are genuine sins that we should keep discussing so they won't happen again in the future. I did love how in one shot the 'Whaling' vessel has 'Research' printed on it. Slight dig at the ongoing Japanese whaling efforts to subvert anti-whaling efforts. Destroying the great whales of the world (nearly) was a sin that humanity should regret. Harvesting animals from nature is not inherently wrong, but driving so many to the brink of extinction isn't a good thing. The Blue and Right whales may never recover.
Avatar 2 the Way of Water is just like the first as far as how they tackle the themes that it wanted to present. But for Avatar 2 specifically, it does it in a way that make sense for the characters, leaving room for anticipation for Avatar 3, as well as tackling its core theme of Family all at the same time without making it feel rushed, preachy, or complex. The plot maybe simple and straightforward but that does not mean it’s a bad thing, and the plot is used as a device to help flesh out character emotions better than what the first was trying to do and just struggles landing it. Love Avatar 2 so much, can’t wait to see it again for the 3rd time
I'm just glad we got a blockbuster that actually took itself seriously and was made out of passion and creative drive. The movie definitely has its share of flaws, but I was moved to tears well before the end and every screening I've been to had people sniffling during the credits lol. I'm so excited for 3, kinda glad we're getting a year in-between to make us miss it a little bit again. This movie reminded me why I love screenwriting and made me even more excited to get home and write again. 4.5/5 for me, easy top five of the year for me
I thought it was a big step up from the original film. Action was visceral, fx were awesome, characters were a lot more interesting, and it was just overall engrossing to watch. Going to give it a second viewing in a dual laser IMAX 3D.
I couldn't stop looking at Kiri's amazed face as she saw the underwater creatures. I honestly didn't believe it was Sigourney Weaver also playing her because it just felt like the cgi was model like.
The biggest part that bugged me was the constant stupidity of the siblings, they would nearly die from an experience then proceed to go back to nearly die over and over until something terrible finally does happen. Especially when kiri brought the tiny child to open ocean that was known for danger. After all that, I could only sigh at how stupid they were and every scene with the kid being there when she shouldn't have been. If only the one kid had gone, I'm sure the whale could've handled the mess himself or hold them off since the hunt relies on them not fighting back, and the sea tribe comes later for the battle; the kids didn't really have to be in the thick of it. I prefer avatar 1 to avatar 2 because I felt like there was less consistent dumb decision making from the characters making me root for them more heavily, because I was less like "Well that was dumb, and now you're screwed".
That’s normal ,we used to do scary and dangerous things when we where little kids ..now that think about it is amazing how are still alive 😂 We literally used to climb the well ,riding with the bicycle in the river ,jumping from old destroyed buildings…no adult and we used to take our little siblings 🤦🏽not mentioning the wild dogs and snakes
@@luxfleurx this is why I don't understand these types of critiques. Do ppl want conflict and character development in the media that they watch or not?? And it's teenagers we're talking about, they're still kids and don't have the best decision makings, but we see throughout the movie that they have their hearts in the right place.
I think Spider saving his dad made sense. When the dad offered spider to come with him, spider refused and showed hostility through a snarl. I think he felt some sort of debt, like a life for a life kind of deal but it doesn't necessarily mean he loves him or anything.
Yeah, Spider actually has a complicated relationship with Quaritch. As much as Spider hates his father, he can’t help but feel for him. There are moments where they were bonding and Quaritch did save Spider from Neytiri, so Spider must feel as though he can’t 100% hate Quaritch
I feel like the whale-brain goop is going to play a major role in the future of the series. But that’s just my assumption because this is the first James Cameron film that was made with the intention of following up with sequels. I assumed every little thing is a thing to be elaborated on in future films
@@LuisSierra42 Also remeber, the general said Earth is dying and that the new long term plan is to prepare for human colonization of pandora (They already made a city). Making humans semi-immortal might help with that.
The relationship between Quaritch and Spider was the highlight of the movie for me. It was a unique plot thread we've literally never seen in a movie before, and sets up a very interesting arc I want a lot more of...
My guess is Quaritch will have an arc of redemption where he will change and become a Navi sympathizer eventually, before dying probably. In this film he didnt kill any Navi.
Hey Chris , I just saw this movie finally in 3D and it was beautifully stunning. The character of Spider really tapped into a piece of me that understood everything about him. Having a father that maybe isn’t a good man and is seen differently from others that are raising me myself, I understood the character choices of this “teenager” and how he was thinking. Meeting his father finally and being stuck with him as much as he was, you can still see that this man is allowed to still be loved by his only son. As a teenager you are confused by the bad choices your father can make, but still try to find the good moments with them while you still can. Truly shows the good in his son.
I definitely could've used more scenes with Spider and Quaritch bonding to set up the father-son bond that's supposed to pay off at the end more. I really liked that there were parallels to The Sully family learning about the sea people's culture while Quaritch was learning their's. Having a few more scenes with him hunting, riding a dire horse, practicing the Na'vi language, and especially having conversations with Spider would've really helped that. Replace a few of the "vibing underwater" scenes with maybe a scene of Quaritch telling Spider about Earth. That would go a long way toward setting up their bond while also sowing some seeds of doubt in Quaritch when he is actually forced to recall the reality of Earth compared to Pandora. That's my biggest complaint with the film overall though, as I really did enjoy it.
7:37 That was a big thing for me too. Neytiri physically and emotionally scarred Spider and there was no follow up to that. By the end he becomes part of the family, "a son for a son". My guess is that Cameron is saving that for the sequel, just like how Kiri's origins aren't truly revealed.
Sadly about half of this movie is setup for later movies, and thats annoying as hell. Bad writing in that regard if you ask me, doing it so obvious and intentionally leaving HUGE plotpoints empty just for a sequel.
I felt like one of the biggest missed opportunities in the film was that it felt like Quaritch now being an Avatar wasn’t really explored in any depth. Like, this guy hates the Na’vi, is killed fighting Na’vi, wakes up as one of them and is forced to live like that from now on. Surely that would bring about some really deep, complicated issues mentally. But instead the guys just straight to right hooking one of those pterodactyl mfs
Well they kept him alive at the end so he can go into that the next time around. He'll presumably go back to the base - that's what we'd expect from him, at least. But he's spent the last.. I dunno, a couple weeks or so, learning Na'vi culture and getting closer to how they are - not to mention subconsciously bonding with the planet, since he now is an entity capable of doing so. If he _doesn't_ go back, then another version of him might be made, and then their interactions would be another mental mess for the two of them to sort out - regardless of whether he decides he's an outcast from the Na'vi despite ending up as one, or an outcast from humanity for his failure.
@@arabwaluigi5248 which is sad, he did amazing movies in the past, which were story driven and really good. He just grew senile I guess? Or just too arrogant to see, not everything he comes up with is instant gold and actually needs a lot of work and re-writes to make it good.
I agree. That's what bugged me the most about the film. I enjoyed it for the most part but everytime he showed back up it just made absolutely zero sense. I understand why from a film making perspective why they brought him back, but it makes no sense to me with how they established and ended his character in the first one. I feel the first one is a far superior film in all aspects imo.
Personally I think it makes sense that Spider chose to save his father. Think about it, Spider grew up as the only human child on an alien world, raised by people who didn't view him as family and overall never really belonging anywhere. Out of the blue, an actual family member shows up and wants to connect with him. Knowing that he's the only actual family he has, and knowing that his father willingly put his revenge obsession aside in order to save his life earlier when Neytiri threatened to kill him, essentially making him indebted to him, I think it makes perfect sense that Spider chose to save his dad. The colonel did also intervene earlier to save Spider from getting tortured and does seem to care for his well-being, so while he is a horrible person, it's not hard to believe that deep down Spider does feel some complicated sort of bond with his father. I think it would be hard for any person to just leave their own father to die, even if said father is a monster.
Yeah, except that will most definitely be drastically consequential in the next movie. And Neytiri will definitely want to kill him if they learn what he did.
I really liked the movie. a also think they dropped a lot of hints with spider's complex relationships with all the stuff you said but also that look he gets when he witnesses the footage of Neytiri killing OG Quaritch/his father. as well as when they do finally have a closeup of Neytiri during her berserker mode its almost for Spider's benefit, as he gets a look on his face like he really is scared of her. after that and getting taken hostage by her to strong arm Bluaritch it like you said, there really should have been something. even Spider just giving Neytiri a stare afterwards while she wasnt looking or something.
From another comment that described it good: only time spider was scared of Natiri, was when she was battle mad and might shoot him before she even recognized him. If you notice the whole time she has a knife to his neck he's more scared his dad's going to stop somebody not her, when she cuts his chest and says a son for a son she's ritualistically killed him and claimed him as her own son (which is probably the only reason they showed Sully stepping down is chieftain so you could see that ritual). When she goes to make a big motion to stab him she's not even close to follow through with the knife arc. The second the colonel drops the other girl she shoves Spider protectively behind her. As far as she's concerned he is her son now. He's also very empathetic so that's why he can't just let his dad die.
@@sericsson1996 you know until you mentioned Jake getting cut across the chest in the clan ritual I'd completely forgotten about that. Good catch. I did clock that neytiri pushes him behind her instead of towards quaritch but I still think there should have been a scene with some kind of closure for the two of them. It will probably be in the next film but it would have been less of a lose end in this one. The audience is less confused with him and quaritch and the conflicting feelings there though by comparison; he saves him because in their time together he had grown to feel something for him but immediately hisses at him and runs off for how he treated the Navi and disowned him as a bluff when neytiri had him hostage. All that makes it a lot clearer. But aside from neytiris rampage and the hostage thing the two don't even share any scenes, so it's a difficult relationship to read.
Man i wasn't looking forward watching Avatar 2 but not saw it once but saw it twice and i am blown away by the beauty of this movie from the very start to the very end i loved this movie so much especially the scenes with Lo'ak and Payakan they were so beautiful the bonding was so well done and most epic scene for me was when Payakan makes the ultimate jump on the rogue gunship i was like yeahhh take it humans then finally he gets his revenge an arm for a arm, the ending is really heartwarming & heartbreaking at the same time them cherishing those memories with Netayam was very emotional. Then the Weeknd's track was like a recap of the whole movie the song playing with the beautiful ocean scenery i never loved Mid credits of a movie as did with Avatar 2 i am glad i saw this movie this is a very unique experience for me loved it more than first Avatar, Never underestimate James Cameron cannot wait for the sequels.
Throughout the movie, all I could think of was this: The Sully Family owes Spider a massive apology. They quite literally left him for dead and yet he did so much for them.
Neytiri and Spider have a weird trend of calling people they've never met their parents instead of the guys who basically raised them as their own kids
Also the whole point about spider was to show the difference in dynamics to families. That’s why you Always see the main family chant their motto that they stay together. The whole point of Jake and his family leaving the forest navi to not only protect their ppl but his family. While spider found family in the forest Navi but was always an outsider. It was pointed out several times the power of being seen as an outisder and “not being seen” Hence the ending where Jake looks at his son and says “I see you” that Phrase held a lot of weight and apparently was something he never heard towards himself before. Now spider in the beginning makes a slight point that points out that the fact his dad “ abandoned“ him really has messed with him. I say it in quotes because he didn’t. His dad was killed. But what ever 😆 so he had daddy issues That’ll be important later. When he met up with his dad well got captured and ended up having to help him. He didn’t enjoy it. He was forced into it. He didn’t have a choice. But you could tell over time he was growing on his father. He was conflicted near the end about him and what’s he’s done. But he was the only actual blood he had. We have to point out the ritual when Jake left the forest Navi. He was the leader. The only way a new leader could be brought in was if he died. So they did a “mock” death but still cut his chest. As shedding blood. This was repeated later with spider only proving more to spider that he was not a real part of his family which lead him to save the only family he had later. He may not want to be a part of his dads bs. But he’s still his family. Also the reason we have another movie 😆.
The one part that kind of bugged me (a nitpick if you will) that was noticeable was the convincing that Kiri is the daughter of the doctor. Yet her voice sounds older than what her age looks, it was also in one scene where it was extremely noticeable to me where the kids were all talking on the water. I only saw Sigourney Weaver instead the young Na’vi she was portraying to be. What I’m talking about is exactly in the thumbnail of this video lol.
This bugged me SO much. Every time she spoke, I couldn't stop paying attention to how out of place it seemed; I know others are saying that she's more of a reincarnation but I feel like that's not what they wanted us to take from her character.
I thought Weaver's performance was just fine, but I agree, just the SLIGHTEST pitching up on the voice to kill the mature woman vibes would've been interesting to see. (Hear.)
Because it's her. When she was dying her consciousness wasn't transferred into the avatar body like Sully, we are seeing Aywas choice in a different avenue....literally reborn as an Avatar.
A lot of people think "High framerate isnt my thing" but actually, if you watch a lot of high framerate your mind gets used to it, then the old framerate starts to look wrong.
Saw this in IMAX 3D with my girlfriend and it was absolutely INCREDIBLE. The 3D felt like a 3-hour Universal virtual ride. You could almost reach out and touch the plants and sea creatures. I loved this movie (even if it wasn’t perfect), and would definitely see it again in theaters.
I was having a rough time with it so I bailed out to do a pee break the first time I saw it. My second time I deliberately did another pee break to miss the entire scene. Green hippie over here, but hurting animals is always my crossed line, and this move hit that a lot (in a good way?)
@@runamerone5492 My friend had to look away for much of that scene. I watched but if anyone was looking at me they would have seen tears just streaming down my face. It was horrible but also a reality for so many animals in this world :(
That scene was sad, but at least we got that beautiful connection between Lo'ak and the Payakan. This is also the best IMAX 3D that I’ve ever watched, it was stunning
@@kpoplea6170 not just “so many animals.” More specifically whales and sharks in Asia (pretty sure mostly china). That’s how they hunt them during their traditional holiday hunts and it’s screwed up.
You know the writing has problems when the characters are captured more than twice in the same movie. The girl even remarked, "I can't believe I got captured AGAIN."
Man, I couldn't even watch that whale scene. I worked with draft horses last year, and there is something totally amazing about working with giant animals. The trust you build with another sentient creature that could easily kill you is a very special thing. Also, having an absent father that even gives you a shred of recognition, yeah, you'd save him, even if he was terrible 😔
I don’t think she was really about to kill Spider. I think there’s a giant red herring at the beginning of the film where Jake ”foreshadows” Neytiri’s opinion of him but really I think this opinion is very similar to how she viewed Jake right after it is revealed to her in the first film that he is and was apart of the plan to colonize. She despises the humans for that, but only the ones who have made no attempt to become one of her people. Spider is one of her people, essentially. I think it would’ve been out of character to kill him, as Neytiri is seen to be a compassionate mother, and recognizing that the villain is Spider’s father, she knows that family always sticks together. She knew he wouldn’t let his son die.
No. She was definitely going to kill him. That was to show that she is a mother and she will slaughter anyone to save her children. Spider means nothing to her.
At the end it's pretty distinct how spider goes near Jake for the hug but stays away from Neytiri. He's realizing that he'll never be Na'vi and that his so called mother doesn't care one bit about him.
Nah they made Neytiri super racist towards humans which would be fine if it didn't erase the love she has and had for Jake. Spider essentially was navi and grew up along her children acting like them, respecting the land and the ways of the people and seeing this Neytiri still said he should go back where he belongs later nearly killed him. They erased her open minded nature completely, if somebody from the water tribe did that it would be perfectly fine but doing that to Neytiri is just very bad writing.
Neytiri was in love with Jake before he fully understood the way of her people. And she wanted to outcast Spider when he understood and followed everything about their ways
I am really digging what they're doing with the Quaritch character--and not just because Lang is a great scenery chewing antagonist. Even in the first film he wasn't just "evil" but say amoral right up until the final fight where he descended into hate. And then to bring him back and have him keep hinting at this conflict between his ability to shut down his moral compass for the job vs this kid who is and isn't his son. Of course the nit picker in me says "if you're going to save a copy of his brain, maybe hit save AFTER you tell him about the brain copy so he doesn't freak out?" I honestly hope he gets a Darth Vader final act redemption a move or two from now!
I think you may be on to something. Since he's now technically Na'vi, it's possible he might come to see Pandora as his true home and begin to see the beauty of it. Betting that humans accidently/intentionally kill Spider, and that's what triggers it.
I heard someone make the great point that if Avatar was Aliens, Quaritch would be exactly the kind of boss you’d want in that situation. A tough guy who looks after his men and skirts the rules and regulations to make sure it happens. I’m thinking (Hoping) that Quaritch doesn’t make a complete turn but embraces a kind of hybrid perspective that the Na’vi culture as it exists currently is too weak, disunited, and backwards to oppose the sky people, and that he (and his son) should rule. Carve out a kingdom of his own with a unique culture, and tempt his son with the possibility of having an avatar body. Essentially perverting Na’vi culture to protect it, but also for selfish gain.
... you hit the nail on the head: our children save us. That happens with Spider and his father too, but it seems more like "our kids enable us" rather than save us, for better and maybe for worse? It's a conflicting mirrored image of Sully and his kin.
Quaritch is probably the most compelling character again this time around, I actually would have liked to see more of him. My guess for the next film is that they're going to continue what they started here with his journey mirroring Jake's from the first movie. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up the leader of the fire Na'vi that Cameron takes about being in the next film, maybe he swings that by bonding the orange banshee like Jake did.
the scene when the children and handcuffed to the edge of the vessel and when the lone whale shows its frustration underneath the water, smashing the surroundings was definitely one of my favourite scenes so impactful and full of emotions
I still can't fathom the people hating the movie, calling it boring or bickering over how they didn't feel any emotions in the story. I shed tears many times during the scene's Chris just mentioned in this video
I think in my case, i did not connect with any of the characters, for me the majority of them felt very Disney-like, except Neytiri, she's the only character i can understand
I definitely didn’t hate it, and the visuals are utterly amazing, but I have to say certain parts felt incredibly similar to scenes already present in the film, such as the kids getting captured twice during the final scene, or the kids sneaking off and finding themselves in a perilous situation multiple times, which led to me feeling like a good 30 minutes of the film could’ve been removed to tighten up the pacing without losing anything So I didn’t hate it by any means but I understand how some people could find parts of it boring
@@stanners1714 Yeah certain bits are repetitive, but isn't this how new stories are crafted, copying the similar beats or origins from its predecessors but not entirely copying it and that also doesn't make it boring either.
i love both movies but i what i do find disappointing is that awhile ago they did say how it’ll be the same antagonist in all 5 films which is the bad guy from the two movies. i do hope they change that directory and do something else with the franchise only cause i feel like the movies will feel alittle rinse and repeat just with more and more beautiful visuals
idk where i read it, but i think quaritch (the antagonist) will be only present until the 3rd movie... if im not mistaken. I saw it from a Steven Lang interview a while ago though.
Yes, I totally agree. The conflict of the movies can be something else, something more interesting than an angry ex-human. Not that i particularly dislike the villain, but i can't say i like him either. 2 movies with the same villain as the main plot force for the protagonist is not that interesting for me.
Cameron already set up the new bad guy in the next movies. The female general, she’s very much alive at the end of the movie and probably very pissed that Quaditch fucked up again. And with Spider in the mix the next movies are going to be fun
@@cameronclarkhull I don't why people sign death consents just for the sake of immersion, I heard lots of people got shot by the weapons while watching this in 5D.
The trailers before Way of Water convinced me to try and see Quantumania in IMAX 3D if it's there. The depth in all the quantum realm shots in the trailer were really something.
Not only did the Metkayina people not play as big of a role in the final battle as I thought they would, they well and truly COMPLETELY VANISH, despite the leader's daughter still being "missing" and in grave danger. I feel as though there is a very important scene missing here that explains where they went. It is truly baffling. Looking forward to the Special Edition of this film to see if there was an important storybeat that was cut from the theatrical release. The only thing I can think of is that the Talkuns (whales) made an appearance and begged them to stop fighting or something...
I seem to enjoy it a lot better than the first film, even when it comes to original / theatrical cuts. That’s exactly why ever since I got the Extended Collector’s Edition of the first Avatar film, I always watch the extended version more than how I watch the original version of the first film and I wish they should’ve shown the extended version in theaters instead of the original version when the film was re-released this recent September. Aside from that, I would like to see The Way of Water again, even in theaters at some point, because I thought it’s even better than the first film. Sure, we can agree that the story of The Way of Water seemed similar to the first film (as long as it’s in a different way like how The Force Awakens tried to do), but hey, if James Cameron got in the way of how Aliens (1986) is almost similar to Alien (1979) and how Terminator 2 is similar to the first Terminator film, I think I would let The Way of Water pass. Also, at least, The Way of Water is not as TOO SIMILAR to the first Avatar film as how The Force Awakens is to A New Hope (but I still find The Force Awakens the only Star Wars sequel to enjoy even to this day). :)
Honestly Quarritch and Neytiris small plotline was very invoking for me and I wish more people focused on it. He literally cheated death, he got a second chance. Seeing his own death visibly made him nervous. Neytiri is a sort of grim reaper in his eyes, her scythe an arrow with green fletching. He sees it everywhere and you can see the uncertainty and fear in his eyes, where he has to decide to continue with his revenge despite fearing his death. Its honestly a nice touch, nobody could be reborn and not suffer something like that, especially not after rewatching his death. Its nice to see the bad guy isnt just the bad guy for the sake of a movie, hes hell bent on revenge, scared of dying again and needing to fight for a new world because his own is dead. Obviously hes completely wrong in what hes doing, but still nice that his motives arent just “bad man” like the first movie
I saw the film today and it was just... mindblowing. It makes it so easy to forget none of it is real, it just looks absolutely incredible. I had angry tears in my eyes at the whale hunting scene. It was just devastating. And the death scene of the eldest son was just incredibly sad, the emotion transported so well even though I was still looking at blue aliens. They felt like an actual family and my heart broke for Neytiri. Unlike in the first movie, you can absolutely tell Cameron was setting up further sequels. There's just a lot of storylines started but left unfinished, maybe even a redemption arc for Quarritch, which I am very interested to see whether it can be pulled off. If I had one gripe with this film it's that the soundtrack felt largely recycled from the first. I understand why, but I really felt it could have been innovated on a bit more. They could have tried to make it sound more... ocean-y? I'm always happy to hear Horner's incredible themes, of course, but I guess I was just hoping for a bit more.
I agree. I think it was partially influenced because of Horner’s death. It’s not always easy for a new composer to continue on a series and play with original composer’s leitmotifs, etc.
Oh yeah, enjoyed it so much, not once in 3 hours I picked my phone and that says something in these days 😁 I'm going to see it again definitely. I don't understand all the negative criticism but because of it I was expecting total 💩 show and exited the theater really pleasantly surprised. And I don't understand how the movie is too long according to critics when that middle section is used for character development and important to explain many things. Can't wait for the 3rd part, 2 years is tooooo long, give it to us NOW 😂😂
@@Dionysos640 This is such a hot take lmao... in what reality is it not character development? Say what you want about the depth of the plot as a whole... but the last hour of the film hits as well as it does because you actually give a shit about all the new children characters.
The story, acting and character development were awful. Sigourney weaver pretending to be a teen was just weird and the dialogue had me cringing so hard It took me out of the experience. This could have been epic if the story were good. The last hour was epic though. Two full hours of filler in my opinion.
I've never been the biggest fan of the first Avatar and did not have high expectations going into this movie. I actually really enjoyed it and definitely prefer it over the first.
Though it was smaller in scale and scope, I have never been more immersed in the movie like this one. This was a connecting film, setting up for a bigger films ahead.
One character i especially liked was Tsireya (the daughter of Tonowari aka the leader of the water tribe) she was one of my favorite characters in as much as how even though the trailers showed her as a possible love interest for Lo'ak i really liked how she was much more like a supportive friend more than willing to show the Sully kids their ways and even though admittingly her and Lo'ak have the potential of being a cute little couple i still appreciated how their relationship was depicted more platonic than anything till the end
Thanks for your comment about your HFR experience, notably the IMAX one, cause I never noticed any switching either and hearing everyone talking about how distracting it was has me feeling crazy!
I’m glad you didn’t notice the frame rate in the full imax 3d, it really bothered me when watching the first time (I did see it in imax but it wasn’t the tall imax screen- didn’t even know there was widescreen imax). I’m going to see it again next weekend on a proper imax screen and fingers crossed no frame rate issues!
Could u explain to me why so many reviewers dont like high frame rate? Hfr is better so why dont they like it? Ive seen 3d movies that have low frame rate and all the movement in the action scenes look so bad. Some reviewers referenced Tom Cruise explanation but all he said was the new uhd tvs have a smoothing effect on low frame rate to hfr which warps the image so filming in hfr would still be better so that the tvs dont have to add artificial frames. The cinema at hfr shouldnt have the problems with tvs so why dont movie reviewers like hfr?
@@Jaibee27 I’m talking specifically about this movie. Cameron switches between 24 and 48 fps depending on the scene and that switch is really jarring to the eye. There were so many scenes where the stutter was so obvious that it really took me out of the movie. It’s so bad that when I remember the visuals in this movie I think about the frame rate issue before the gorgeous cgi. Now more broadly speaking people don’t like HFR because it gives everything a soap opera/low production quality feel. If it doesn’t bother you, great.
@@mizzle8 thanks. Yeh i just watched a vid now explaining the soap opera feel of a will smith movie. I think a better director could make hfr work. Like if u r a shaky cam fight scene director hfr will look stupid but a Jackie Chan fight scene with no shaky cam would look amazing. There are probably ways to make the acting more believable at hfr too so I hope future movies adapt to it.
@@mizzle8 I'm glad someone else is mentioning the frame-rate issue. I watched at a full IMAX screen in SF Metreon and there would be scenes where the frame-rate would get super choppy, like a bad video game. I thought it was my 3D glasses at first but I'm pretty sure it was the movie itself. It was really distracting.
By "true IMAX," I wonder if he watched it in dual laser projection or single laser projection. IMAX 3D dual laser projection can be presented in either 2K 3D 48fps or 4K 3D 24fps, since it's not capable of presenting in 4K 3D 48fps, although this works in single laser projection. So I'm assuming he saw it in 4K 3D 24fps. Another possible 24fps presentation would be in IMAX 2K 3D xenon digital projection.
I hated that spider saved his father, but then again no one was looking for him or even seemed to remember that he too was on that sinking ship… it almost seemed like they forgot he was there, even though Neteyam died because they tried to save him. That character had so much potential but he ended up being really confusing
This movie was visually stunning with some of the most realistic portrayals of human archetypes and emotions, which is surprising because of how little humans are in it overall. Although there was a LOT to enjoy about this movie, having rewatched Avatar about a week before this, I notice they follow very similar plot lines, almost beat for beat. Avatar 1: Jake enters world of Na'vi, learns the culture, epic battle ensues. Nature is a force to be reckoned with, and contains spiritual and biological connectivity. In the climax, when the Na'vi are about to lose, animals come to the rescue. The big bad is defeated. We are one big family. Avatar 2: Jake and his Na'vi family enter world of sea Na'vi, learns the culture, epic battle ensues. Nature is a force to be reckoned with, and contains spiritual and biological connectivity. In the climax, when the Na'vi are about to lose, a whale comes to the rescue. The (resurrected) big bad is defeated again, (but kept alive for a sequel). We are still one big family, this time everyone has offspring. I feel it's the same movie, but with slight changes. This was kind of like Wakanda Forever in the introduction of a water-themed culture, and about passing on the mantle/continuing legacy. The overall message remains the same in my opinion, also similarly to Wakanda, it's like what would we look like if colonialism didn't happen? Also, James Cameron made a documentary called GAMECHANGERS showcasing veganism and the positive effects on humans (specifically athletes) and the environment. I feel like that message carries through the Avatar movies. Having respect for nature, earth, and life as a whole as opposed to the destruction and violence we have been doing. The driving point makes us have compassion towards animal and plant life - with Avatar 1 being mostly plant life, and 2 being mostly animal life.
I watched the first one in a low budget theatre in a local language coz of the times we were in. 13 years later grown up, better times and i watched this movie in IMAX last week.. I've watched a few imax movies in the last 2 years but this was the best cinematic experience of my life. The final hour i was at the edge of my seat.. the scenes are really simple tbh but the way they're executed throughout really has you rooting for them! I really thought this would be the final Jake moment in the end. They're probably keeping him for the one final showdown with Quarritch before the next generation completely takes over.
Liked it a lot. My only major point of complaint is that Jake never gets to shine as a father figure. The kids constantly disobey him, and he never gets a scene where he gives them fatherly advice that pays off later on. Unfortunately this kids vs parents nonsense has been going on in movies and tv for a while and its almost a bit insidious to not show parenting paying off. And yeah, the water tribe disappearing from the fight has to be a huge error during editing, how this went past Cameron is puzzling.
Omg I get what you're saying bc as a daughter I have spent ages waiting for movies & tv to dwelve into the complex realm of mother and daughters relationship the way they have explored fathers & sons.... only to realise now that it feels like all daughters are brats and moms are always on the "actually, wrong" side of the complexity 😂 like damn, not what I asked.
@@peterthesneakybastar No sharks were sent. They abandoned him in their "wilderness", probably hoping he'd be too dumb to find his way back, as they called him a moron before they left him. They didn't communicate with that shark-like creature, it wasn't even there when they left him, so they didn't send it(As if they could control a predator that would have just as soon ate them). They probably wouldn't have cared whether he had starved to death while lost or died by predator, but they didn't attempt to murder Jake's kid like you think they did. They just abandoned him in a dangerous, and unfamiliar to him, place. Abandonment is actually fairly common with us humans.
I think it payed off. Tho. Jake says "sullys always stick together". I think thats why the kids were always in trouble, the 2nd son disobeys and the kids listen to the dads advice and go with him. Jake also says "thats their greatest strength and greatest weakness"
Loved your review ❤❤ Amazing stuff and keep doing this! I just have 2 major disagreements with your review: 1. The reason why the sea people disappear is cuz Jake Sully's youngest daughter tells the sea people to go back as her Dad commanded to retreat before the eclipse. This dialogue gets repeated again in the movie and that's why they disappear. It's a neat trick from Cameron I think. And the sea people listen to the Toruk Makto. 2. Even though I do agree that Spider never gets the moment with Neytheri even given multiple other scenes of her telling Jake in the beginning that he's not one of Navi he should be with his kind. But I have to add the scene with his Dad had more complexity, I am understanding that his father's willingness to save him also acted as motivation for him to save his father in the end typing back the loop. And leaving an open ended question did he do this not to owe a guy he hated for his life and this could even develop into his vengeance arc against Neythiri OR will Cameron go with the cliche of changing the bad guy with the good guy who hated him still saving him. For Example Jake Sully's younger son finally befriends the Sea king's son by saving him from being rebuked by his father. It was an amazing movie if you properly watched Avatar 1 and went to IMAX3D and was invested entirely for the full movie. The script was genius with multiple other loops. And amazing review from your end also❤❤
