Avernus Represents EVERYTHING WRONG with Geometry Dash 

now its top one lol

The fact that it's been 6 months and only one person has even got halfway through this level is just insane lol

ironically, it was a good antagonist to the golden. the golden was a popular, natural, and fun experience. avernus is the opposite in all of that

You unironically gave avernus a reputation and identity

The point where we made too many extreme demons was felt for me back all the way in 2019-2020. Man the hardest levels used to be so special. So many bland extreme demons exist now and it’s so sad.

the reason i added fixed hitboxes is because of the layering of the level i couldn’t be bothered to actually select each individual spike and move it up let alone all the structuring for said spike so i just added fixed hitboxes (i also love fixed hitboxes they are so funny)

The version electro gave me to verify was really fun, so disappointing to see a potentially great level ruined because some guy wanted his name on a top 1

IMO, the problems we see with the GD community and what gets popular versus what doesn't is really just reflective of the ENTIRE art and internet worlds as a whole. In general, the types of art that get the most popular are the most formulaic and generic, because the most influential art promoters are trying to make an income from their promotions and thus must cater to what will capture the largest audience, which will (obviously) tend to be art that appeals to the most people, which is almost always the most mainstream stuff. A very clear example of this is music; over the past decades, the pop genre has become increasingly samey and boiled down, because its entire shtick is being _popular,_ and pop consistently dominates the charts. The same thing can be seen on RU-vid as a whole. What rises to the top is what brings in the largest audience, which is why seemingly everyone is copying MrBeast nowadays, because his video style gets a shit load of clicks. With Geometry Dash, the same exact problem is what causes mind-numbing shorts, trash top one layouts, and generally formulaic levels to be the most prevalent on showcase channels. Good video, I enjoyed it quite a bit! Just wanted to say that I think these problems we see with our community are reflective of a much, _much_ larger trend.

Hey guys! i wanted to use this pinned comment to talk about the last community post I made and the future of the channel since I seemed to scare a few people about me quitting which I'll explain here. To start, No I'm not quitting. I posted the community post during a pretty shit time because I was really demotivated with RU-vid, I recently started school again and this year has been hard for me. Harder classes along with driving school taking up nearly all of my time during the day are to blame for the community post that I made because I was not in a good state of mind to focus on RU-vid. But I don't think I'll ever go to the extent of quitting, making RU-vid videos is pretty much the only hobby of mine that is productive and I've been doing for so long that I think it would be pretty hard for me just to up and quit without a big goodbye video or anything. I'm going to make RU-vid videos until I die most likely so don't worry about me quitting or anything. But with the future of the channel in mind, I do think I might want to slow down. School is shit, I have some of the hardest classes in school and the highest expectations to meet from my parents so most of my time is still going to school. I'll still be able to make videos but maybe not at the pace I once was. I don't want videos to take two months (like this one did) but I also don't know if videos could come out every month like I've intended for a while now. Still IDK about the future till it's the present. I plan to do a stream next week if I have the time but other than that idrk about a whole lot of what's going to happen. Still I am so thankful for your support and will try not to disappoint. Love you all.

Kaiguy having more subs then Nexus is disgusting

First video I saw from you, definitely won't be the last. I know that there are a lot of "dissing avernus videos", but yours expanded past just the level itself, and instead talked more about the community as a whole. I gotta say man, this was a W video. :)

Atleast we have "Tidal Wave" now that isnt hell theme and its little bit different. I mean its wave based level but deco is unique.

I personally think the Avernus Situation is kinda like the reverse of Xanii's Silent Circles situation, where instead of the level becoming too easy to live up to the original's legacy and get rated to place in the Demonlist top 10, the level became too annoyingly hard (not just hard, that would technically make Zodiac hated) to the point of being unfun. (Xanii isn't the host of SiCi, i just don't want to mention the actual host and cause drama)

It sucks because I remember watching the early previews of Avernus, and looking back it's crazy how good it could have been

i thought this was going to be another video just putting down and bashing in avernus for being bad, but the end of the video really opened my eyes to how the gd community functions and how it needs to change. great video!

Really amazing video! I like the fact that you went into so much detail elaborating how Avernus was lazy and unfun rather than just outright stating it and ending the video.

Update: TDiamond (1st victor) and Trick (2nd victor) have beaten Avernus, both in 2024.

nice chroma key advanced at 0:08

imo even after getting 79 atm my enjoyment rating is a 9/10 most fixed hitboxes from an outside perspective may seem really bad but they really (take this from someone who has 79) dont make that big of a difference. this is just my opinion i think avernus is a really good level even tho the creation process was scuffed and wasnt properly done

I really agree and I love it when these really true videos come to me. It's a fact that is very sad for all creators that the only thing this community wants is just the same copies of the levels keep uploading everyday, It's common for creators to feel the pressure of trying to do something unique and end up giving in to that community pressure and failing miserably because of it. It's a shame, that even entire servers can hate you just for being or creating something different, not because you want difficulty, or want the best decoration of all. But, just making for your own, promotes creativity and the art of expressing yourself and expressing something you like. But the community isn't like that, it hates you for being different, and until you stop it it won't stop chasing you until the end. But don't give in to them, Don't stop for them, because unfortunately, listening to this part of the community unfortunately becomes a failure, a really bad failure. The only thing we can do is depend on ourselves, because wanting attention from this community will lead you to failure and being ridiculed as the creator of Avernus.

sheesh kai 19:44 i think being passionate about anything is a thousand times better than being "business oriented" or just being obsessed with the money

11:48 sounds like tf2 engineer saying nope

The biggest failure as a community is the pressure on Rob to rate levels just because they're difficult. Maybe we would have another layer of quality control for gameplay and decoration/optimization if Rob actually looked at the level like he would look at any other level instead of "oooooh, new top 10 extreme demon". Sadly, I think this is something Rob used to do with levels like Wcropolix, Crimson Planet, and Thinking Space but I think the backlash Rob got for not rating Crimson Planet when it was a top 1 has made it so that he rates nearly any new extreme demon verification. Sakupen Circles and Silent Clubstep are objectively bad levels but they didn't have any trouble getting rated like they might have used to.

I feel so lucky for finding a video as good as this one. Huge props for literally everything you did here

I was dumbfounded when you said the parts were all on a singular layer.

thanks for feature my first level (extreme demon) soon

Can I just say how well editted this video is. It has perfect consistency with its subjects, makes good points, and overall has amazing editting. You earned a sub!

I’m really glad we’re seeing a shift in the popularity of GD levels. Gone are the days of Bloodbath and Sonic Wave where the hardest levels get all the attention. Some of the most hype I’ve seen for levels recently have been for impressive non-list levels like Abel, Change of Scene, Floating Outskirts, and most recently Spu7nix’s What. Seriously, if there’s any level that makes me go “…What?” It’s What.

*Avernus and Acheron have swapped, with Avernus now sitting above at #1.*

I was away from this community for years and I came back coincidentally when avernus was getting beaten up by the community. My first thought seeing the level with the song and theme is that 'Oh a sequel to GgB0y's infernal abyss' not the golden lmao

Already know today's gonna be great when TroyPM uploads! Your videos are always incredible man!

I never knew Avernus' layout was first showcased on my birthday lmao

man explains why people should stop getting angry about the square game, then gets angry about the square game

"the list was made for levels, now levels are made for the list" is very insightful and really sums up how the community has started putting too much value on difficulty. good vid

love the EmpLemon vibes I got from this video (especially the music at 17:55), very well done

peak demon list (imo) was either with Zodiac as top 1 or with the top 4 being Tartarus, The Golden, Zodiac, Kenos, Crimson Planet. There's something so iconic about those versions of the list and i cant quite put my finger on what it is

I love this video. It has amazing editing, great pacing, and was the first time I learned about the history of this level (Pockewindfish is an alt account? It was made by half the same creators as “The Golden”?) It doesn’t feel good to be part of a community that allows such problems to persist, but we need to self-reflect to solve them.

To think a level like this would represent the GD community as a whole. Thanks so much for making this video. Not only is the effort awesome, but I finally held a full grasp about my personal view on the GD community in general thanks to the many points you created throughout the video! Honestly, I’m even more motivated to keep going as a GD player because of this. Thanks!!! :D

The hitboes are pockewindfish's fault. Zoink was forced to buff the level, but everything is on the same layer. insead of ruining the decoration, and preserved it and buffed it by fixing the hitboxes.

I hate how demons throw any kind of fun out the window just to be difficult. This doesn't make any sense too, at the core, you still play games for fun and extreme demons are not fun. The only extra rewards they give you are demon list points which have no use in-game. You can play any other fun demon and get the same rewards.

At this point i take back anything I may have said about zoink and I hold my head in shame. It wasnt his fault, he was INSTRUCTED TO MAKE IT INTO A BAD LEVEL. Also doesnt matter if you have an RTX 4090 or a GTX 1050 2GB, they will run GD the same, unless the CPU's single core is better (13700K is about 2x faster performance per watt over my old 8700K @95W max)

6:59 “Even after all this time, it never ended up becoming the top 1 that it always strived to be” About that…

if the fact of the fixed hitboxes is a problem, then the REAL problem is how INCONSISTENT THE FIXED HITBOXES ARE. like some of them are shifted , making them harder than other spikes! utter cancer

The demonlist is like the clout-route for players

1000 languages and this dude decided to speak facts. Incredible video, very well spoken. I don’t think I disagree with a single point here.

Bro's upload made my day 10x better

Amazing video, i really enjoyed watching this, i totally agree that a level should be something that you enjoy making and that you make for the sake of yourself and the community, not something you make as a chore. just to get some popularity. I think that avernus should have just stayed as a top 20 and shouldnt have been horribly buffed, the level woul have been probably liked a lot more. (Also, TroyPM Fun Times)

i expected this to be another rant video that i click off in 2 minutes, but this was actually such a high quality video! the pacing is great, the parts all felt necessary, the history was interesting and felt well-researched, didn't feel extremely biased, overall a fantastic vid

Speaking genuinely, this is such a well made video, highlighting everything wrong with a level and explaining i proper detail how it came to be. Looking forward to your future videos.

I really do appreciate the ending of the video, we need more commentary videos that helps on a happy note like that

I feel ever since slaughter house or spaceuk confessing, the extreme demon list has just deteriorated. I feel like the only people who can revive it now is Riot and all the og creators. Imagine, a level with riot, dorabae, Cody, darned and zobros. It would be sooo iconic.

"the list was made for levels,now the levels are made for the list" WHAT DID Y'ALL EXPECT? People push the limits, that's why levels are made for the list.

The average enjoyment pf people who have beat it is actually really high.

your rant on how the community doesnt like unique stuff honestly kinda hits becuase in a way i feel like all my ideas for levels are very derivative, the 2 levels ive spent the most time on are an old slaughterhouse remake and a sonic wave inspired level, both 1.9 styled. it really says something about my creativity that my 2 favorite types of levels are hell levels and circles levels

Diamond just became the first Avernus victor!!!

dude, your editing is very unique, it demostrates the passion that you have with the game and cinematography too, praise to you!!!

a correction: they did use the creator contest part but not the winner, they used the second place

I love the fact that you dont talk about just the level itself but the problems this comunity has

He started so calm and then he went crazy mad lol.

My favorite part about the demons is when you can't play it because it's an epileptic hazard, just for the layout to be on xStep level of difficulty

troy you are one of the few gd youtubers that actually puts in effort in their content

Just separate the demon list into 3 different columns. Hardest , most enjoyable/fun , and best looking/atmosphere, this way players/creators can vote on each aspect of a demon separately. To take it a step further , you could add a 4th column that takes into account of all 3 rankings, ideally putting more weight on the enjoyment/look on a level instead of its difficulty, giving it a general overview for anyone that wants to play it

ive tried my hardest to like this level for what it is but you just proved to me that Avernus is objectively bad. also really agree with your stance on the community, things really need to change. also you’re a very underrated creator, i was surprised with the level of quality and editing! keep making videos like this man

I think bro is so mad abt the deco and the editor layer on avernus that he decided to actually put giygas theme in, im fucking scared

You forgot to mension that another reason that avernus is hated is because of Pockewindfish, he has been very controversial because of him insulting and threatening people that dislike the level or saying that it is easier than acheron. Anyway, good video

this feels like the numptaloid video about abyss of darkness, and in case you don’t know I bloody love that video, great video mate

I play on mobile so literally every level made in the past 5 years is too laggy for me

the demon list is everything that's wrong with gd to begin with

17:35 bro predicted tidal wave

just randomly found this video on my recommended page and thought it was gonna be the same thing the other 50 "why avernus sucks" videos already said, but it actually said some valid points. nice video man! keep it up!

MattTacc, Stallion, TroyPM and Numptaloid video in the same day. Amazing day.

LETS GO! YOU PASSED ME IN SUBS! I remember you had almost 2k, and now you have almost 4k! Keep it up man, you're doing amazing

I found it hilarious that Zoink didnt even want it at #1 lmao Also this is a pretty funny video on avernus lol

im really honored to have this video as my 1000th liked, really love unpopular and objective takes like this one

No matter what you say, I still like avernus. It has pretty good decoration. Sure, the gameplay is sort of trash, but so are a lot of levels on the list. IMO, it's better than the golden because it does what it sets out to achieve as a level and achieves it. The golden wasn't even gold, LOL.

17:56 We both like Emplemon's editing style huh. (I know the rest of the video has it's own editing style I just liked this moment. I think it was the simpsons, the song, the text popping up to the song, and the light on the individual simpson character)

It feels like the community is splitting. One side is going to kaiguy’s argument, which has a lot of children, and the other to fnm04’s argument. Passion projects like anathema, hbfs, white space, requiem, etc. still exist and are arguably growing, but also people who just want to make quick profit of stats, money, or whatever, like that yunhaseo guy or kaiguy are too. Its just now the divide is growing stronger, so people are finally beginning to comment on it.

17:56 Nostalgic Weather Channel Music: “Your current weather condition”

Man, this video is so well made! You really feel like the Emplemon of GD (I realised at 17:56 lmao), because you take a popular topic and put an interesting spin on it that ends up meaning more than the sum of its parts. Keep it up man, you could easily be one of the greats!

And Now Its Number 4, Behind Acheron & Silent Clubstep, WHAT

Idgaf this level looks amazing and the song is great

finally, avernus has been kicked out of its top 1 spot by a 69x better level (tidal wave)

If you want to know how bad the problem of Identity is on Avernus I mistaked this as a sequel to Infernal Abyss.

I love how other Zoinked levels like KOCMOC and Tunnel of Despair are following the same way; they have really few records submitted.

I don't understand why people who will never even touch the level care so much.

Tidal wave is basically what happened with avernus but worse, so bad that the level didn't even get rated. I don't know what happened but I truly love that level, seems like the community doesn't.

I have no idea why people judge top ones by gameplay when they aren't even getting past the first click,good decoration matters more and avernus's decoration is good enough. the demon list is a list of the hardest demons not the best.

The funny thing is that my CELL PHONE can run avernus like NOTHING

I love that people call this level bland and constantly call to mind the fixed hitboxes.. Does that not describe Tartarus? There are so many top demons that were lazily made, little to no effort. I think the level looks good. The hate it receives is truly unjust in my opinion. I don't understand what everyone has against it.

this video has my thoughts exactly, especially the stuff about how people like kaiguy and creators of all these extreme demons made to be impossibly hard are just doing it for attention and its making the community worse as a whole

I honestly think the best idea would be to update Avernus to get rid of the fixed hit boxes And perhaps some gameplay adjustments to make the level more fun

"it's top 2, what the fuck happened" annihilated me

this what challenge list creators be doing to the community 💀

You are the far less passive aggressive version of Stormfly, and you have my utmost respect for that. Amazing analysis video. You're true about the fact that the complete lack of originality and charm is the true reason why Avernus is a complete dumpsterfire.

you are one of the most articulate, reasonable, passionate speakers i've ever seen in this game's community. i'm a veteran player, i've been playing since i first downloaded the game on my ipod touch in late 1.9. i've watched this game grow from a place where creativity was valued to a place where constantly-inflating rate standards and an increasingly toxic, entitled community have condensed this game from a beautiful, fun, artistic community into "iSpyWithMyLittleEye VS Change Of Scene 5 LEVELS OF DIFFICULTY $10000 #shorts". in fact, i recently conducted an experiment to see if a shitpost youtube short could get attention immediately just by featuring GD, and it did. avernus is simply a benchmark of a deep poison within this playerbase, and here's hoping that 2.2 will return us to our wide-eyed curiosity and awkward implementations of new update features like back in 2.0

the demon list put a rate limit on how often legends can be formed, approximately 1 per geological epoch

you made so many good points in this video, precisely explaining why the demon list is failing and why avernus failed. this video is going in my favorites for sure.

great video, id just like to add something. iirc doggie never dropped avernus, he literally had no idea as to what was happening with it up until when zoink said that he was verifying it. this means that the hosts basically stole the level from doggie after a full year of him expecting to verify it

i will get hate for this. i actually like avernus. i jus like the design

the emp lemon vibe was strong with this video, fantastic video man