Niranjan Rajesh you don’t know as much about Tim as you say you do. Tim has multiple times chest voiced lower than an A1, and if you’re saying that Avi has a super useful range of G1 and up than how come pretty much the only time where we’ve heard Avi hit a G1 in natural disasters? And dude as long they getting the low notes and they sound good, why does it matter if it’s growl or not? The average listener doesn’t care if it’s growl or whatever as long as it sounds good. When Tim growls you can clearly hear the pitch, and I do agree that fry isn’t a good type of bass singing unless you know how to do it correct, but fry and growl aren’t the same thing
Look Tim's voice is better for the style of music that Home Free sings. Avi's is better for Pentatonix. Why does it have to be one better than the other? I'm not saying people can't have their opinions and shouldn't like one more than the other by all means do as you please. Can't we just say that these guys are awesome singers?
Niranjan Rajesh dude stop going around trash talking comments giving Tim any support at all you cancerous fuck. Just let people have there opinions. It’s dipshits like you that make me hate pentatonix. Just learn to respect people’s fucking opinions
They are both very good with the difficult ranges they both can hit. They are also only 8 years apart which does not make that much of a difference, it more or less how they train there voices is all.
I agree 100% that Tim, Avi, and Geoff are bass baritones and JD Summer is an amazing bass singer. I don't think Avi growls much though. If anything he starts to do a chest-fry mix around B1 or C2 depending on the day. Tim does growl a lot and includes quite a bit of chest-fry mix also. I saw Home Free a few weeks ago and I can assure you Tim hits the notes (growl) and it sounds great when he has a mic. I would say that all three of them are also exceptional singers
Rengar It’s funny because Avis has a Bb1 during hallelujah that he’s sung countless times live, and he sung many live B1s in daft punk, and he has a live (and very loud) C2 in his a capella academy video, which you can watch in RU-vid. His loud C2, plus extended range into the first octave, though quieter, qualifies him as a basso profundo.
95% people here who supports Avi most likely haven't heard of at least 5 songs of Home Free. I love both Avi and Tim, but due to the bigger fan base Pentatonix has, this is one unfair battle
Even though I listen to Pentatonix a lot, I have to say that Tim wins this battle. He hits those bass notes effortlessly, and with a big warm tone. There's not trouble when going down there. With Avi, when he's live, it sounds like he tries to find it before he actually gets to the note. But both gentlemen are amazing basses, I think we all can agree with that. :)
Kelli Smith I agree...Tim has better sustainability, effortless sound, and overall richness. He makes it look easy, whereas I can see Avi struggle to find and, even more so, hold the lowest pitches.
Cynthia K in my opinion, other bases tone seems to get worse as they age, since people don't hit puberty twice, the only way it will get lower is if he just practices, but all that will improve is his confidence of hitting vocal fry notes lower.
G man Smiley his tone gets character with age, and the chords stretch, giving him a lower voice. This is the case with many Russian oktavists, which tend to be older
Avi is more operatic I think. Which definitely has its place and helps him be set apart from most basses that usually seem to stick with gospel or country
I believe it isn't how low they can sing, but the timbre of the voice that is important. Tim's voice has an edge to it, a brightness I don't really care for. Avi's voice is smooth and silky and much more pleasant to me. I'm a trained opera singer and I would choose Avi for the il Commendatore role in Don Giovani over Tim.
no1opsmgr that's because their voice are doing fundamentally different things, Tim has been singing and performing country music which brings that edge that you hear where as Avi is a classically trained opera sing that adapts his voice to the pentatonix tones. If you looking for training Avi has gotten way more than Tim where as if you just enjoy low notes Tim has a slight edge (just a few semitones) which makes his voice a little more effective below G1. Anyways both of them are great basses.
John Morton Very true. But I think I read or saw something about Tim also having voice training. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. My point is that no two voices are the same and that's what's wonderful. Everyone can choose their preference or, even better, love them both.
I would be surprised if he didn't but in every single song he is singing in a country style either singing melody or matching the country sound of the group. and I agree with you avi's voice is much smoother.
I've seen a lot of people asking how to get a lower range. Simply wait and allow your voice to work it out. Development is key. It honestly corresponds with your lifestyle as well. Also, just exercise your lower notes to allow your vocal chords to vibrate comfortably
+Jaiden Wedgwood that and the fact that their vocal range really technically only goes down to A1. they use growl for the rest. however the fact that they can his an a1 naturally is really good at disguising the transitions
Shinobi! He did quite well, take into consideration pentatonix usually has Avi as background, hum, or harmonizing. While Tim foust on the other hand sings a lot of lead and solos! But great job love these guys!
Tim Foust, Avi Kaplan, and Geoff Castelluci are my idols. I listen to their music all the time and sing along to it as wel and because of that i was able to develop a nice basso profundo voice going all the way down to a c1. My vocal range is c1-e4.
When i first saw ptx many years ago i really loved how Avi make the group sound sooo good. But recently when i discovered TIM foust effortless ability i fell into him. Both of them are really great but tim can do both high and low extremities. And his high notes are still awesome like he's a different person singing.
They both are AMAZING!!! I couldn't choose one over the other; just really enjoyed the video. Pentatonix sound is so different from Home Free, too hard to decide.
I went all the way to the "Really low notes" I can sorta do a B1 but it's pretty breathy. Still proud considering like 3 years ago I thought hitting like D3 was sick
+ItsMeAlexV I'm 7 and I can hit a C#-46327184963278916437291482 and an E#5748392567843096578437547329075849307258974302543 but you have a good range!!!
+Janelle Olusola-Kaplan-Grassi-Hoying-Maldonado I just rechecked myself and I can hit an F#283882388392939392938388382828383838827373839384883838483939489392929388382938483848388484838483883483 down to a Bb-93939392994939493928273738283883828292949848492939389393939493939399493939483939493993992949848391928381762526379392938382738. U still have a good range! :)
I am an ex- choir bass. My range was then B1 - C5. G1 - C5 after proper warm- up. I sang with my choir for 2 years. I am 17 years old BTW I'm thinking about starting my own acapella group with a couple of friends!:)
home free vs pentatonix both brought back music to live, home free best in arrangement while penta best 4 youngsters .Tim vs avi very talented am a daring to Avi but love Tim Lower notes. am die hard from kenya
I respect the opinion and will not hate on it whatsoever but I must say that they are both amazing in their respected genres. Avi rocks the bass in pop music, and Tim rocks the bass in more of the country style music. I do believe Tim goes deeper but that comes with age.
Niranjan Rajesh Tim’s voice is deeper though undoubtedly. He’s gone down to an Eb1 live. Avi hasn’t ever shown lower than a G#1 (and if you count the F#1 in Sing then he’s shown one F#) so I don’t think he is as deep. Still very very deep though.
I think avi and Tim together on home free's ring of fire is the best of both of them. I kinda think Avi's voice fits better in country music. He should join home free, and have two best singers
To say most popular bass duo ever, of course, is opinion and that's okay. We all have rights to our opinions. If someone thinks these guys are the best, you should broaden your horizons. Everyone's idea of what it means to be the best is different. These are great guys with great voices, but there are many more out there that can sing much deeper than these guys and without vocal fry. I know Avi and Tim and you can ask them yourselves. They both will tell you there are bass singers they look up to, admire, and wish they were as good as. To name a few, Tim Storms, Rodney Britt, Wes McKinzie, Todd Dunaway, Paul David Kennamer, and Gary Evans would bury Avi and Tim as far as voice depth. Avi and Tim couldn't compete with any of those guys and win. They wouldn't compete anyway because they are all really cool and humble guys. I am thankful to be friends with all of them including Avi and Tim and have heard them sing live many times.
Who cares whose better, they are both awesome and sound good with their group. Avi does a nice job on Ring of Fire with Home Free. The groups have different styles so the guys will sound different.
They're both awesome, but Tim's voice is deeply resonant, espec. live..Even in earlier recordings younger than Avi, w/other aca-groups, he had that deep resonance..Avi's voice is cool, too, but more airy, live..Seen both grps, live. :)
Both are great friends and great bass men and singers. It's about their talent, not who you like better because of the group you like better, or country vs. pop etc. They are both talented, and not "fake" like some say or they wouldn't be where they are now because they are with and meet and are beside professionals alot and they wouldn't be where they are if they were "fake". That's just a stupid, non-professional opinion because hater that likes one and has not even checked out the other before voicing their hater comments.
Okay um maybe this was posted after Tim fousts vocal range video came out but Tim has a vocal range of five octaves A0-A5 he hits the A0 in the song “Sold Out”. Also I really love both of them but Tim has a more mature bass voice and avi has a very smooth type of singing style, personally I don’t think they should be compared because yes they’re bass singers but they have totally different styles
Samuel Young Well, there are basses who can do it. Glenn Miller, who is a basso profundo can do a G1 very loudly than he can be heard over the whole choir.
Niranjan Rajesh like you would know. If can can go almost an entire octave lower than Avi wouldn’t you think that he could sing a B1 also loud? I’m 15 and can resonate a E2, but my lowest note on average is only a C#2. You’re a complete liar
I don't get all the fighting about who is better that I see. Sounds like they both have similar ranges. The eb1 Tim hit a little better than Avi. Avi required big time fry, hard to tell with Tim. I prefer the sound of Avi's voice though, and I think he has more power behind most of the notes. Both are incredible bass singers deserving to be talked about with guys like J.D Sumner and Ken Turner, etc. It really is just a preference of who's voice you like the sound of better, you can't go wrong either way.
I like both of these great basses but let's be honest here, neither can hold a light next to Tim Riley, he actually hits his notes without the firebreathing technique that avi and foust use.
Great video! The only thing is. It should be written Eb1 or Bb1. Love the presentation! And I'm glad more people like you are highlighting the note as it happens!
I'm not hating, but I like comparing. IMO I just like Avi better as a singer. Kinda sad cuz I know Tim can hit lower notes. Overall I love Tim's Ring of Fire and Avi's Carol of the Bells.
usually i can only get down to a C (65.41 hz) or a B, a half step down from that C. but i just came home from a concert, with alot of screaming and a sore throat, and when i got home a stared listening to some Home Free and Pentatonix. i noticed my sore throat could make me go really low (though probably not so good) Anyways I just hit an G# (51,91hz). personal record. yey :P
I think Tim's Low notes sound more like singing and less like croaking. Avi just sounds like he's wrecking his voice, Tim sounds like his voice can take it. Especially the last Eb1, although that was probably largely the mic Avi was on.
