@@4Sinny72 unless you are an experienced player yourself. If Germany gives Italy Bulgaria and Greece they will be big enough to restore the Roman Empire at about turn 3
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I played a game where we all drew our nations. I drew UK Europe, the host drew Italy, feeling generous i swapped with him. he then ran kill italy first and knocked me out of the game immediately aided by my terrible dice.
Italy can be a big help with proper assistance from Germany. Usually when Italy fails it's due to a greedy Germany. In my opinion Italy should get Yugoslavia, Greece , and southern France
I try hard to give them a role in the game as an Axis player but the UK usually has a say in that. If they choose to target them it's difficult for Germany to commit that many resources needed to help them out.
G1 Yugoslavia is easy pickings for the Germans. Unless you Attack Soviet turn 1 you might as well use those units for Yugoslavia... Bulgaria is really usefull though, take it Italy turn 1 and get 4 infantry. Then Italy 2 Greece is a cake walk?
@@ankle-sprain-nt6xb i agree with giving the italians more in general but i dislike giving them southern france because if the germans get it then they get a factory on the med which i think actually helps the italians more than a few ipcs since they can then have germany provide the navy and italy can provide the muscle for africa (specifically egypt) which takes a lot off of the italian player's plate and lets them actually have a role in the game. This also helps africa and italy stay alive longer since germany can now build navy directly in france to stop the american player.
We have the 1940 Global 1st edition game. It is a bit different in that Italy's position in the Mediterranean looks better at the start of the game. The British only have a sub and a cruiser in the Med at the start and the French have a cruiser and a destroyer. This means the the Italians have much less of a chance of being wiped out in the first turn. The more I look at videos of the second edition the less I like the troop set ups I see. Britain seems to have a huge amount of bombers, tanks and troops on the island at the start making for a very difficult conquest for Germany.
GHG. Great job handing out the quality videos of Global 1940. You are the man. Because I enjoyed all of your replies to all fan comments, ill hold off on adding new ones until you can catch up... with my Gemany strategy ones at least. But for Italy I cannot resist. Quite bold you are about UK play.....which my Italian warriors wipe off their goose stepping boots on easily, like an afterthought 😜...well OK, but only after a successful Sealion. 😉. I would be excited to pit my Italian strategy vs your UK strategy....anytime!!
It's up to Germany to keep Italy viable and has to do more than just send 1 fighter. Imo opinion at minimum Germany has to kill the cruiser of Gibraltar, send 2 fighters to scramble Taranto, and strafe Yugoslavia
Italy does a great job of exposing issues with global 1940. One being the near useless player experiences playing italy and anzacs. the other is airfields. planes taking off in UK to be fighting in med in ww2?
a house rule i would add if you aren’t a fan of how far planes in this game can go is to make it so that any time you go over an enemy territory with and AAA gun, it gets to fire at your planes.
In our house rules we rarely Taranto too make the game more fun and open up africa as a real front. The navy also gives the Raj a strong force that Anzac can boost and make Japan wary of attacking you and allowing you to seize spice Islands IPCs. We modify the NOs so Italy has to take more islands and we also included Vichy France so we modify the other NOs. We use a die roll to determine the French boats
The strategy most effective against me (as the Axis player) lately, is an all allies' offensive throwing everything against Japan; while UK Europe build/builds middle east for Moscow / India support. I'm curious about your Kill Italy First. Few times in my games (and I'm not that experienced), when Italy starts to do ok, it siphons off valuable resources from Germany. In most games as Italy, I find myself trying to evacuate a tank from n. Africa, sending a small army to help G against R and building infantry to defend Europe. Perhaps by a fraction of a %, I value Norway more than S. Italy. You have a very nice game setup. I appreciate the videos!
Thanks Ichabod. I like to take out Italy first because they are the easiest to take out. While you are building up your forces to take them out you force them to turtle in Rome which effectively takes them out as compliment to Germany's offence. If they don't turtle then you take them out quicker. Now you have their money and a foothold in Europe. It works best when US takes Northern Italy and UK takes Rome on the same turn because they can stack their boats in the same zone to ward off the German air and because Italy can't take back Rome if they also lose N. Italy. If you set it up right as the UK, you attack from Cairo with a second wave of troops waiting in Libya for the following turn. I have found that the game tends to even up pretty quickly now that you only have 2 countries to fight against instead of 3.
my friend and i are struggling to learn this properly thank you for the strat but could you do so rule walk throughs like the netural civs and the scrambling planse and air bases
I’ve been playing around with this strategy and I really like it: I think Germany should bring 3 fighters down to defend against the Taronto raid and preserve the Italian Air Force to do some damage in North Africa and the Mediterranean
So am I understanding your strategy correctly when I say the UK has to basically not attack your navy on the first round? Every time I've played, Italy loses 60% of it's navy before it even gets to purchase units.
I played as italy and britian braught their indian fleet and UK fleet down to form one supermassive fleet to take me down... how is that working out for them, you ask? Lets just say that with the lack of pressure on germany, Moscow is now a open tile to blitz into on the following turn, and the factory has 13 damage.
I played a game where the US thought they were safe off a Gibraltar. Just transports and artillery guys. They were smart enough to unload them Gibraltar. USA didn’t count on Italy buying a airbase and giving German bomber a extra space sinking all 5 transports and protecting protecting Italy from attack.
First time player here, researching before my first game. What do you think of the idea of Italy primarily focusing on only building sea and air units to 1: Control the mediterranean/middle east seas. 2: Support Germany defensively in Europe in the skies, so they can focus 95% on punching through Russia instead of also building up defense for western europe? And then don't spent too much energy trying to get africa against the odds, before you have full control over Europe and most of Russia?
Every time I play as Italy and if the UK attacks my fleet with the battleship with their entire aircraft carrier fleet I always win with minimal losses.
I played a game where Italy invaded Russia via the Black Sea. He invaded Syria as well with one tank because I had moved the French soldier to Trans Jordan to move to Egypt. I then moved that French soldier back to Syria and defeated his tank. He actually made some ground in Russia, but swiftly lost Africa and then got kicked out of Russia. He held onto Southern France really well and it took several invasions to take it back.
What if he skipped my fleet. Attacked the transport and destroyer off Africa, then moved everything to Gibraltar. I really need your help. I did take his cruiser because he didn’t bring up his aircraft carrier. I can send screen shots. I really need help. I feel like I’m being hated
Italy has many options and opportunities and that's all nice but in Europe you may as well roll dice to decide what Germany should have and what Italy should have. Either of them can have it but neither of them need it because the other can take it. Italy has a *job* though that Germany *cannot* do for them: 1. hold the Mediterranean at all costs. 2. If you want to expand, Cairo first unless you are *very* carefully coordinated and committed to a plan a few turns deep on the division of Europe. But any wavering or lack of confidence if Italy isn't prepared to meet London or Moscow in France or the Balkans could cost a flank and the war. The simple vision for Italy is if Cairo goes down sooner then an actual defense of the coast can be accomplished which directly contributes to Holding the Mediterranean. Every other bell and whistle is all well and good but if Allied fleets capture the Mediterranean Italy's relevance is done. Allies don't *need* big landing forces to get in Coastal Bombardment rounds off of a single transport. You absolutely must over every other imagined dream prevent any Allied Battleship, Aircraft Carrier, Submarine, and Transport from entering the Mediterranean. That is Italy's purpose. Everything else is second. Even actually taking Cairo is second if your concentrated defense can be regarded as more than a "soft underbelly"
Sorry to bother you again GHG but while going over my game I came across a discrepancy. So its mainly to do with Germany in the Europe 1940 2nd edition. I have 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 4 cruisers, 6 transports, 6 subs. Now i was watching this video and it said you should have 4 battleships, 4 carriers and 5 subs. I am not sure and i cant seem to find an official Parts list so i would be extremely grateful if you could provide an answer to this or an official parts list. Cheers. Your videos help a lot an i now understand carriers from your Naval Warfare video. 👍🏻😊
if you think that Italy fleet was crippled by 10 Swordfish... like UK bring a fighter into Taranto gulf and destroy EVERYTHING pulling the plane back. Tbh the condition in A&A gives Italy better chances than history, even as bad as it looks. It's ok, after all a tabletop game have to give a chance to the player.
A couple things that are helpful for Italy: One, if Germany sends one submarine turn 1 to attack the British cruiser in sz 91 and win, that is one less British ship to come into the Mediterranean. Two, if Germany takes Southern France turn one and builds an aircraft carrier, a destroyer or submarine, and transport turn two, that tends to give Italy a fighting chance. The downside is it takes some pressure off the Soviet Union.
I also find Italy difficult to play and add value with. Maybe the idea of getting Africa should be abandoned from Taranto raid? One thing your video didn't mention is that you can pretty much always take Greece I1. There's two cases: 1. if you scrambled to Taranto,then you will attack SZ97. You can amphibiously assault Greece and also hold on to your transport for I2. Your single bomber will have better things to do though. 2. If you didn't scramble or Taranto wasn't attempted you can use your Albanian force and fly planes over SZ97 to back these land forces. It will usually be sufficient but there is always a 1 in 81 chance of 4 hits by the Grecians in the first round which will cost you a plane and you won't take the territory either. Usually this force would be backed by both fighters. Is buying bombers for SBR a worthwhile idea? I guess you also need some fighters.
I attack Greece quite often too with Italy. If there's a way of getting Gibraltar too then that's another N.O. with Southern France down. Let's face it, there's no real "Grand" strategies with Italy. With competent UK play, all you can do is be Germany's lap dog. As far as SBR goes, I think it's probably a better idea to purchase ground forces to either make it more difficult to assault Rome or play can opener for Germany. You don't have enough money to afford to lose your bomber to a lucky "1". A bomber to keep the Med clear for a couple of turns longer is a good idea though.
@@adept2134 @stephenmeier4658 it is not a mistake. Airbase in uk increases fighter range to 5 meaning it has just enough to land in adriatic. If the carrier survives it can catch the fighter from there.
Three fighters should be scrambled, but no Italian. Germany needs to park 3 fighters in southern Italy and scramble them. Italy can't afford to lose them, but Germany can sacrifice three for clearing the Med of British warships.
@@brycec1928 This gives Italy a fighting chance, may take a few rounds to pay off, but it makes so much difference for Italy and gives them a way better punch. If UK loses a lot of aircraft in Taranto raid the Italian air force will have little opposition. I wish you luck with the persuading and gaming! :)
None of the nations in A&A have "realistic" representations of how many battleships each country has, if you consider one unit = one battleship. It's more of an approximation compared to other powers... if the UK starts with three and Italy starts with one, think of it not that England has three battleships while Italy only has one, more think of it as England has three-times as many battleships as Italy has.
Mithrennon of Aegwynn yeah your dead right Britain had three times as many battleships and this is the same for japan they have three carriers America has one in 1940 that’s accurate they had three times as many carriers
I agree with you on how their navy should have been represented, and Italy's should have been larger. (I like playing Italy, but it can be effectively neutered in round one with a hard knock by UK!) I think the trick with making games playable is to try to match each country with its political will and military genius to use what it has, not so much the material at hand. It's tough to do...trust me!
Germany needs to build a massive fleet off of Normandy at all costs, spending very little money on any land units the entire game. This protects Italy and Germany's entire Western/Northern front. Germany starts with enough land units to advance on Russia and pin them back to Moscow. Japan played right will force Russia to commit to the back side, and Italy will provide a land army linked with Germany to starve Russia of money until Moscow falls. This strategy has done very well for me over and over again it's almost unbeatable.
I played my first G40 as Italy. Willingly so,other players be like why?I did a tremendous job.The Duce would have be proud!I was in Africa,slowly planning to carry troops to Stalingrad.Of course I had a eye on those pesky Yankees. I could'nt block Gibraltar at that point but I had a good counter strike.They had a first wave of attack but not much behind...They could drop their GI in Italy only so that I wipe both their Navy and land unit off the map. Only problem,I tought Rome, my capital,was in the north, with the industrial complex. MAMA MIA !
