Azog the Defiler - Explained

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@rmwf8836 Год назад

It's also canon that Bolg gave Azog a "best father in the world" mug for Christmas.

@Eowyn3Pride Год назад

😂😂😂😂❤

@albertrodriguez156 Год назад

It was actually a "#1 Dad" goblet

@hetaera3418 Год назад

Or maybe a different detachable hand! Like a thumbs up one or a litter picking claw!

@willclark4449 8 месяцев назад

@@albertrodriguez156*you're both wrong its a pimp cup lil john style that says "They want me for my pimp juice"

@turkN9NE 8 месяцев назад

@willclark4449 ah yes that sweet grog

@doc_adams8506 Год назад

After Dain slew Azog, he returned to his kin, but his face was ashen. When Thror declared "Khazad-dum is ours," Dain told him no. "It waits for you just beyond the gate, Durin's Bane." For Dain had seen the demonic holdover from the First Age waiting inside the door. The dwarves, who normally build impressive cairns for their dead (see Balin's tomb in FOTR), were forced to settle for burning the vast number of dead after the battle. The only wood available was from the trees of Lothlorien, furthering the antagonism between the elves and dwarves. Dwarves spoke of the battle by proudly saying, "My ancestor was a burned dwarf."

@doc_adams8506 Год назад

Not Thror but Thrain

@stingerjohnny9951 7 месяцев назад

Elves: You’re telling us NOW is when you ran outta fucking coal?!

@maximus3160 3 месяца назад

Where does Tolkien say the only wood available was from Lorien?

@joannakeenan3355 День назад

@maximus3160 It doesn't, but in Appendix A, it says, "Then they built many pyres and burned all the bodies of their kin. There was a great felling of trees in the valley, which remained bare ever after, and the reek of the burning was seen in Lórien."

@benc.5558 Год назад

Obviously it's all just fanfiction from a game developer, but the orcs in Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are amazing, brimming with personality. Some are dumb, some are smart. They are capable of cunning and treachery but also surprising acts of loyalty. They have wants and fears that are as individual as they are. Discount Aragorn aka Talion and their incredibly non-canon version of Celebrimbor are fine for what they are, but the orcs are the real stars of that game.

@rumination2399 Год назад

the first game was the most I've enjoyed the story in a computer game since Last of Us. Ranger/wraith logic was perfect. The Celebrimbor tragedy was by itself better than Amazon's whole TV series, and yeah, the orcs were fantastic.

@coolbrotherf127 10 месяцев назад

The orcs, even in the brief interactions with each other we see in the books, do seem to be as intelligent as men at least, but without the ability to have virtuous characteristics like compassion because of Morgoth's corruption of them in the 1st age.

@dbfurrer 10 месяцев назад

Tolkien did work on the games

@coolbrotherf127 10 месяцев назад

@@dbfurrer He didn't work on the games that came out 43 years after his death? How very insightful of you to point out.

@Vicus_of_Utrecht 7 месяцев назад

@@coolbrotherf127how in the hell did you assume he meant "didn't" 😮

@davidioanhedges Год назад

Azog and Bolg ... not admired but at least acknowledged

@michaelsmyth3935 Год назад

...as far as it goes, if a human had created and carved a dynasty lasting 200 years they would be lauded. So...again, as with the Dunlendings...

@infinitytoinfinitysquaredb7836 Год назад

That's odd. Azog the Defiler is my wife's pet name for me.

@loduke3905 Год назад

More on this topic please. Not enough done by others and it's one of my favorite parts, that and the balrogs

@Fungo4 Год назад

I have a question I'm hoping your channel can answer. Is Mount Doom special in some way? Are its fires unique for forging and destroying the One Ring or is it just that the ring could only be destroyed in the same place it was forged? Or, is it just the only volcano in Middle Earth?

@johnglielmi6428 9 месяцев назад

I didn't like Peter Jacksons padding out the movies. Honestly did the have to be almost 4 hours long each? Also Azog The Defiler and Thorin Oaken Shield never met in actual battle in the books. Like you said Dain killed Azog in the Orc war, and Bolg was killed by Beorn. So Thorin just died in battle due to the overwhelming odds!

@levichavez5319 7 месяцев назад

thank you Robert

@MatthewBester Год назад

Hehe enjoyed those Old Warhammer Orc images.

@itsfratalbert6645 6 месяцев назад

Subscribed for “and much more” I should have much earlier, your analysis and theories are great ty for your hard work

@1nkf4ng57 Год назад

Have you ever thought of doing videos on Terry Brooks' Shannara books? They're awesome fantasy and great books! I honestly love them more than LotR, and thats saying a lot because I love LotR too!

@Lethal_Venom Год назад

Excellent video

@JaceMorley 3 месяца назад

Poor Bolg, killed by Beorn Notadwarf.

@bearislandjosh5279 Год назад

Beorn is my favorite character in The Hobbit

Год назад

Great video, but just a small correction: it's not Azanulzibar, but Azanulbizar.

@AStarkofWinterfell24 Год назад

Could listen to anything g from in deep geek

@VelvetYeti 7 месяцев назад

Azog: WAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH

@GBfanatic15 9 месяцев назад

even within the first few pages of reading the hobbit I realized that the movies were very different

@darksign1745 Год назад

Wasn't he also mentioned to be a Goblin by Gandalf and Thorin in the Hobbit, not an Orc?

@melkhiordarkfell4354 Год назад

Tolkien uses Goblin and Orc interchanging in the early works. He always intended them to be the same just that Goblin was a common English term for the less popular Orc name.

@SunSheepOfLight 27 дней назад

He’s very handsome!

@phoule76 Год назад

a great goblin, as it were

@MyVanir Год назад

"Azog was among them"" Hmmm...

@machinegunftw86 Год назад

We need more orc characters and more stories from the orcs point of view...

@Spiritual.Madness Год назад

I hope Azog will embrace his inner child one day. And hopefully pursue his dream of becoming a pilot.

@ideologicalgambler2231 Год назад

8 mim

@karlwikman3874 Год назад

Are images from LOTR Online added here cause these characters appear in the game?

@karlwikman3874 Год назад

Also, get real. The villain did not become dimensional at all until the Hobbit movies

@fjccommish 2 месяца назад

Jackson butchered Tolkein's stories.

@pillepolle3122 Год назад

There are no Hobbit movies.

@oscarstainton Год назад

The inclusion of Azog in the movies aside, it's a real missed opportunity that he didn't appear all clad in black iron armour and a helmet like a skull. And Weta did come up with some intimidating designs that sadly never made it due to the troubled nature of the films' production. Furthermore, Bolg *should* have been in Azog's place in the movies, perhaps even as a dark reflection of Thorin as the mutual family grudges and cycle of vengeance between Dwarf and Orc gets resolved by their deaths in the Battle of Five Armies.

@LoneWolfOfHouseStark1989 Год назад

They used his original design for the Orc that Galadriel kills rescuing Gandalf. Can see the scene in the extended edition of Battle of the Five Armies.

@dasdeke Год назад

Agreed!

@Midorikonokami 6 месяцев назад

Cyclical blood fueds may actually have been the original inspiration because Norse stories are full of it. They're usually the main plot device in all the stories.

@FumblsTheSniper 2 месяца назад

Orcs clearly care about heritage but more of a “I’m better than my super cool ancestor” sort of way. Thats the only part I wouldn’t care for when the books made it clear they were purely evil beings.

@thomasbravado Месяц назад

I don't think that any of the orcs of the Misty Mountains have or wear armor and helmets. Maybe they can't afford it or they don't know how to make it. I think the orcs of Mordor have them.

@seventhhusaria Год назад

“My name is Bolg. You killed my father. Prepare to die.”

@claytonhosty9876 Год назад

These were strong Orcs, Azog & Bolg. No doubt.👍

@asorlokirunarsson9864 Год назад

I really liked Azog in the Hobbit movies. Someone who only talked black speech is a cool concept and having someone be the head of the evil army is a good idea for continuity and giving Thorin a nemesis. Just wish he wasn't all cgi. It's not even that I'm butthurt that they didn't use the design they already made, although I'd have prefered that, I actually like the "pale orc" design, just that it sticks out like a soar thumb when a real person, Thorin, is fighting a computer generate image

@sourstuff Год назад

Unfortunately, all the black speech is made up by someone not Tolkien, a dude named David Salo (i googled this to find his name lol). I am pretty sure he is a Tolkien scholar and linguist so he’s no pushover. It still has the overall spirit of the themes. I think the only black speech ever recorded by Tolkien is the One Ring’s inscription.

@ieatmice751 26 дней назад

@@sourstuff I mean what can you do, for all his linguistic chops if Tolkien never bothered to flesh out black speech as a language then you can’t really blame them for having to fill in the dots

@annecarter5181 Год назад

Absolutely love these profile specials. They really add depth to the story. The “baddies” have a history just as well as the “good guys”!!

@mickeyjoebojangles4894 Год назад

I love the detail that Azog's head was impaled and a bag of coins was thrust in his mouth. Dwarf poetry.

@starkilr101 Год назад

Even though they played with the lore, I loved Azog as a villain. Also love Manu as an actor

@fjccommish 2 месяца назад

Nope. Jackson butchered Tolkein's stories.

@chumuheha 2 месяца назад

I agree, I think it was good to give some clearer backstory as to why the orcs had so much animosity for Thorin in particular. In the book the army of orcs show up randomly and then Tolkien is basically like "oh wait, is this confusing? Let me explain the random history that had no foreshadowing as to why Bolg specifically wants to kill the dwarves."

@Scrum_Master_Revolution 13 дней назад

@@fjccommish "I personally really like this as my opinion" "No youre objectively wrong" Why are you even breathing, stop wasting everyones time and return to the feted swamp that rejected you out of its filthy water for being too putrid

@RedFloyd469 8 дней назад

@@fjccommish Jackson, if I'm not mistaken, came in later to replace Guillermo del toro, who was the one who in fact butchered the hobbit. Jackson got too much on his plate and never realized his own vision for the film the way he did for lord of the rings. As for lord of the rings being "butchered". No. L Take. You might have minor grievances with stuff like Gimli's characterization, but other than that, Jackson nailed the spirit of the story, and that's what really matters in an adaptation. No visual adaptation can EVER do the exact same thing as a book does, but what we got was pretty much close to perfection, from every objective film-making standard there is. Any denial of that is pure fanbase elitism, born out of ego, not aesthetic appreciation. Grow as a person.

@MrARock001 Год назад

"They chopped off my father's head and carved runes into his forehead, with coins of little worth stuffed in his mouth. And you know, I took that personally." -Thraín.

@scottnoble5320 Год назад

What luck, 22 seconds after post

@jrsilva85 Год назад

Same.

@TommyBombadillio Год назад

I've always wondered if the Grest Goblin was a Lieutenant of Bolg's.

@Kubinda12345 Год назад

I really liked Azog in the Hobbit movies. Not only was he a fearsome warrior but he was also a very good battle commander. Unlike basically everyone else, he stood at a high tower (or whatever that was) which allowed him to see the battlefield and used signal to command his troops and change battle formations accordingly.

@chojinnppp Год назад

Love the channel and, particularly, the Tolkien videos. There is a voluminous, red meat opportunity for the channel, I think, which would be hypothetical match up between characters. This is either not often covered, or not covered very well - I know Robert would do the topic justice and with an excellent narration.

@CompleteAnimation Год назад

I like The Hobbit movies for what they are. I am glad that you make videos that aren't vehemently dismissive of them like so many others. Yours is one of the few channels that takes The Hobbit trilogy and The Rings of Power seriously. You point out where in Tolkien's works they draw inspiration from, and point out the differences in a respectful manner. That's why I subscribe to you, even though I skip all of your non-Tolkien related videos.

@Eowyn3Pride Год назад

I'm only stingy about RofP...I have issues with that one...😢

@ranica47 Год назад

The non Tolkien ones are worth checking out too.

@CompleteAnimation Год назад

@@ranica47 But I've never seen those shows and have no interest in doing so. I'll stick to the Tolkien content.

@apstrike Год назад

Best subtitle ever: Children of Louis Vuitton for Children of Iluvatar.

@christopherseguin4193 Месяц назад

There is an even better one over on Robert's character study of Faramir - the subtitle for Numenor is "New Manure". 😀

@Murphy2043 Год назад

The last time I was this early, I was not a wizard. Because a wizard is never early.

@Eowyn3Pride Год назад

Nor is he late! He arrives precisely when he means to! 😂❤🍻

@scottmantooth8785 Год назад

*Azog(tm) seems to have very serious anger issues that proper medication and therapy might help to alleviate but then again he might just be a real antisocial jerk and sociopath and a truly not at all nice being to start with*

@Eowyn3Pride Год назад

😂😂😂🍻

@deusexaethera 2 месяца назад

Imagine having all your files neatly organized and then Azog the Defiler comes in and fucks it all up.

@oceaniax27 3 месяца назад

ugh, that thumbnail just makes me regretful yet again that they used CGI rather than practical effects for the orcs.

@terrortorn Год назад

My god, a popular culture commentator that speaks in full sentences.

@banjo304 4 месяца назад

And isn't overwrought and over dramatic like many other fantasy lore people.

@woody5476 2 месяца назад

The way the movies handled Azog's crew was one of the many things I hated about them. They basically turned the movies into a video game. Bolg and the orcs were constantly right on the heels of the dwarf party the entire time. That factor completely ruined the sense of exploration and adventure that you get from the book and turned the whole thing into a stressful chase.

@gregsurles4199 Год назад

Thanks for this. Azog was always one of the best antagonists

@ohno5880 7 месяцев назад

Keeping Azog alive was the one change i liked in the hobbit movies. Azog was a really threatening villain.

@davidtatro7457 Год назад

Very interesting. Would also enjoy seeing your analysis of the Orc Gothmog.

@istari0 Год назад

Only in the movie is he identified as an Orc. Tolkien's writings never specify what species he was so he could have also been a Man or a Nazgûl.

@JobiWan144 4 месяца назад

@@istari0 I think Tolkien would have said if Gothmog were a Nazgûl, especially given that Nazgûl were present at the Battle of Pelennor Fields. LOTRO imagines him as a wraith, but not one of the Nine.

@kiplingslastcat Год назад

I could listen to this man read a phone book.

@Midorikonokami 6 месяцев назад

If it still existed! Perhaps nowadays we should say we would hear him read the terms of service. Which I would.

@thenerdfaraway Год назад

Well-done once again, Robert! Do you think that the humanity of a villain gives them a tragic flavor?

@pleappleappleap 7 месяцев назад

Not NINE. NAY-in. Not DYNE. DAY-in.

@flyingdutchman2065 Год назад

You should do a series of just lord of the rings read alongs.

@jasN86 Год назад

Great video!! Would never expect a delve into this characters history, but I definitely enjoyed it. Keep these up, please!

@SageSimulant Год назад

Have you done a History of Moria video? I cannot get the timeline straight in my head.

@trippinzombiez Год назад

Finally some Orc representation

@dont-want-no-wrench 10 месяцев назад

so many good illustrations in your videos

@iowaredneck9416 Год назад

He accomplished many great feats. Terrible, yes, but great none the less. In the LOTR trilogy, there are a few leaders, but most of them seem to be mindless murdering foot soldiers. It seems to me that the bad guys have a lot more character development in the Hobbit and other works that pre date the LOTR

@willlane2388 Год назад

He'd been dead for 142 years before the happenings in The Hobbit. His son Bolg leads the goblin forces in the Battle of Five Armies.

@melkhiordarkfell4354 Год назад

Makes you wonder if Orcs live just as long as Elves if they lived peacefully.

@winniethepooh6950 11 месяцев назад

@@melkhiordarkfell4354 Maybe not like the Elves, but probably like the Dwarves (at least those who we meet in LOTR and The Hobbit)

@TimvanderLeeuw 26 дней назад

Azog's appearance in the Hobbit movies is one of my biggest annoyances with the Hobbit movies, which I could therefore never quite enjoy. (Unlike the Lord of the Rings movies).

@Nathan-vt1jz 2 месяца назад

I wish they would have trimmed out some of the bloat in the Hobbit trilogy, but as a whole still enjoy the movies. So many people compare the Hobbit movies to LOTR and so of course the Hobbit comes up lacking. After trimming the fat it really is quite a good trilogy (there are fan cuts/edits that are quite good).

@kirbymarchbarcena 7 месяцев назад

This is just one of the reasons why The Hobbit trilogy didn't work out as expected because of the rushed re-writes.

@SHARKVADERS Год назад

IDG!!!!!

@apollumi1393 4 месяца назад

Bro your killing me with these ps2 looking character models for references🤣🤣

@ComradeAurelian 4 месяца назад

How is kicking an enemy in the leg during a battle "playing dirty"? That is just trying to kill the opponent while surviving yourself as anyone would do in a battle lol

@eanders7992 Год назад

To me personally Azog and the romance scene between the dwarf and elf didn't need to be included in the movies. There was plenty of content to not change the movie from the way the book was written. It took away the pristine feel of the book that could have been in the movies.

@blankface5052 7 месяцев назад

I feel like Tolkien is too black and white with good and evil. I think he ignores the banal evil of the average person. The average person isn’t purely good or evil and are filled with love and hate. There’s ignorant people who just live their lives but don’t hurt others.

@logansrun161 3 месяца назад

Hard for me to imagine orcs as having families and family members who might actually care for one another

@a.d.clarke4990 10 месяцев назад

“So, you think his defiling days are over!?” 😂

@glovernashasa4833 12 дней назад

White Patricia Williams William Williams Kimberly

@LeeBrasher 7 месяцев назад

I thought that orcs had short lifespans. This notion of them living into their hundreds seems off to me.

@SnakeAndTurtleQigong Год назад

Thanks so much!

@curtcoeurdelion 7 месяцев назад

Fun fact: Azog spelled backwards sounds like Gozer, the baddie from Ghostbusters.

@flintliddon Год назад

How is that playing dirty???

@TheRealFernancoTachanka 7 месяцев назад

He is also Azog the amputator

@nathanielakers2639 Год назад

I thought Azog was named as a goblin. Unless it’s a miss print my Hobbit says he is goblin.

@melkhiordarkfell4354 Год назад

Goblin and Orc are the same in the books.

@malkav_ils Год назад

Tolkien uses Goblins and Orcs interchangeably. They are ultimately the same.

@Vincrand 8 месяцев назад

So are there female orc as well?

@allyourbaseman Год назад

My favorite character from the book!

@Eowyn3Pride Год назад

That's well done! 😁🍻

@emythatsenough5016 Год назад

After 30 sec!!!

@Honeyless-Badger 3 месяца назад

Azog Albino orc ❤

@Alex-cw3rz Год назад

I do find it funny that this guy who had so much screen time is less memorable than the orc that led the army on Minas Tirith and had like 3 lines. Heck even the one that drop kicked an Urak-Hai at Cirith Ungol is so much more memorable.

@orthoff123 Год назад

very good work

@bbb4228 Год назад

“Stupid idea from bad creative.” -Chris Jericho

@AsadAli-jc5tg 7 месяцев назад

Azorg was a good person, chivalrous and selfless. He was far better than the greedy line of Durin. His death left many good hearts broken, may God bless Azorg the bold.

@taylork2874 4 месяца назад

Such a great explanation, thank you so much🙏

@nathanbarr1237 Год назад

Fantastic channel inspired me to reread lotr consider doing something on púkel-men from return of the king?

@elizabethford7263 Год назад

So, are Orc wives like Dwarven wives.... They look the same as the males?

@eddieford9373 Год назад

You say you cover the Witcher, but it's been a very long time since you've actually did a Witcher video.

@victorjohnson7512 Год назад

The defiler is a real jerk at cocktail parties...

@AustrianCitizen Год назад

His son 😮

@Malekith227 Год назад

"Azanulbizar" not "Azanulzibar" ;)

@istari0 Год назад

Aside from their proclivity towards violence, Tolkien wrote that the average life expectancy of an Orc was less than that of a Man. There were exceptions of course and the most common theory is that longer lived orcs were either the offspring of Maiar corrupted by Morgoth cross-breeding with regular orcs or such Maiar actually taking the form of Orcs. Neither Azog or Bolg was representative of average orcs and that applies to their life span as well.

@MiningForPies 11 месяцев назад

Where did he write that?

@istari0 11 месяцев назад

@@MiningForPies I believe it is in the book "Morgoth's Ring" and perhaps in some of his letters from "The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien."

@JobiWan144 4 месяца назад

"Average life expectancy" would include violent deaths, and given Orcish lifestyle, that number will be significantly lower than their potential lifespan. Also, if the corrupted elves theory of their origin is correct, or at least partially correct, then that would explain quite a bit of longevity.

@scottjackson1420 4 месяца назад

The whole notion of no one knowing that Durin's Bane was a balrog is curious. One would have thought that the wise, including Gandalf, who knew everyone, would have spoken long and hard to Durin's folk about this over the next century. Sure, dwarves were tight-lipped, but many hundreds of surviving dwarves must have seen the Balrog when Moria was lost. Later, Dain himself looked upon the Balrog ... and Dain was actually alive during LOTR. It's amazing that Gandalf never chatted up Dain. Ten minutes of frank discussion would have told Gandalf all he needed to know. Knowing that a balrog was there might even have had convinced Glorfindel to accompany the Fellowship, through Moria at least. He likely would have liked a little payback over Gondolin, eh?

@maximus3160 3 месяца назад

Dain never actually saw the Balrog

@christopherseguin4193 Месяц назад

@@maximus3160 LOTR, Appendix A, Part III Durin's Folk: "Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin's Bane" - Dain Ironfoot. He saw it, and he warned Thrain about it. He even told Thrain that he (Thrain) will not enter Khazad-dum, for "(t)he world must change and some other power than ours must come before Durin's Folk walk again in Moria." Nice little foreshadowing for Gandalf's eventual encounter on the bridge, by the way. And Tolkien said just a few paragraphs before - "...it is said that when he came down from the Gate he looked grey in the face, as one who has felt great fear." Tolkien didn't SPECIFICALLY come out and say that Dain saw Durin's Bane, but between the ashen face, his overall countenance once he met up with Thrain afterwards, and his utter refusal to go into Moria (going as far as to warn Thrain to stay away as well), I can only come to the conclusion that I think that Dain ACTUALLY saw the balrog at the door.

@christopherseguin4193 Месяц назад

Wait, I am confused? Who was familiar with the name "Durin's Bane" and then also NOT know that it was a balrog? Was that not common knowledge amongst the dwarfs (and the Istari) that Durin's Bane was a balrog? Like, who didn't know that? On a different note, there are reasons why Glorfindel was not included with the Fellowship, but that's a different discussion for a different day) (Before I hit send I did a little digging and there are a bunch of people on the internet who apparently think that only a FEW living individuals - such as Legolas as and old elf and Galdalf as a Maiar - actually KNEW it was a balrog, and that everyone else just figured it was some sort of bad thing - which I find strange)

@IanHeins 5 месяцев назад

Nice work dude thanks

@Magmafrost13 Год назад

Wait how long _can_ orcs live?

@malkav_ils Год назад

Great video Robert. One nit pick that keeps bugging me every time I watch it: the battle is called "Azanulbizar", not "Azanulzibar" as you said it a few times. I know it's a mouthful and probably took you several takes to get consistent but still.