Couldn't agree more. Wendel, by his own admission, doesn't do too well in front of a camera. But the moment the engineering/tech gears start to rotate in his brain, boi does he relax and does a great job in front of the camera. I think this is also true when he's interviewed, say by PcWorld, etc. Well done, #Level1Techs and Wendel.
I have a 7950X locked to ~80w driving 10 16TB drives and 4 Optane 905P(960GB) for a compact TrueNAS Scale server. Little did i know that the iGPU requires adding ROCm to get it working with kubernetes/docker/apps. Little did i know that my dreams would be shattered of an ultra low powered all in one server that can both record live TV with Plex, transcode using CPU on TDARR, and allow me to remotely replace those files from a backup recording server in case either the recording, or transcode failed. Right now any kubernetes/app cannot access a directory with an active SMB share, the image wont even start up if the SMB service is running. So still need a seperate machine to record and transcode, and my file-server-only box now has a 7950x, when a 5350GE/12100 would be more than enough for this use case. I'm just glad they're working on the issue, and i hear TrueCharts are doing something with ROCm, i dont know if its on a per-image basis for their repository(such as TDARR, PhotoPrism, and JellyFin), or if its going to be a ROCm image that enables the GPU for all other images
is there a forum post about this build I can follow along just out of curiosity? I am quite interested in reading how capable the igpu and your adventures.
@@tanmaypanadi1414 I only (edit: plan to) use the iGPU for playback transcoding within plex/jellyfin, and i didnt get ROCm working(still might not be working) before the kubernetes image was no longer allowed to access the files. What i might do is revert to my old file server as primary, and just put windows or Ubuntu on this for now, that would make it eaiser to add a PCIe TV tuner for Plex
@@inh415 Not of only that machine, but 120v 1.3A including the following microtik CRS354-48G-4S+2Q+RM (48x1G 4x10G 2x40G) Edit Nevermind the 3400G system, that was asleep HP Elite Desk 400G6 SFF with 9700 32GB RAM, 16TB HDD(technically a spare for my main server), a cheap NVME, and an RX 6400, exposed enough to the internet so i can use steam in home streaming on my break at work, though i think lack of encoders is causing issues A set of fans to exhaust air from the enclosed rack.
I'm planning the exact same build with the B650i and Jonsbo case for a Home Server upgrade. Hopefully the ECC DDR5 gets sorted as that will be a deal breaker for me
Awesome-ness! Running my first Gigabyte MB (B650M Aorus Elite AX, 7700X) and have been thrilled. Everything has just worked, nothing buggy. About to install the GC-Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 add in card and expecting great things, especially after I get a Gen5 Nvme (soon as prices normalize to actual user level ...lol). Thx for all your hard work (and next level pearls of wisdom).
When I saw Zen4 could support ECC I thought the 7600x could make a nice little server with the iGPU allowing more NVME to cache SATA HDD. So many seemed to miss the application though the 7600 is better priced MSRP, only where I live the 7600x has fallen below 7600 pricing. Just knock off a little peak boost frequency, undervolt and restrict the TDP a bit and cooling should be no issue, while losing hardly any performance.
Can't wait to see the ITX server since I really didn't see it as an option for my new server. But maybe I should wait with my server build if the N1 turns out to be a good alternative. In that case I hopefully avoid the devorce that might be coming with building a server in an old R5 case and put into the laundery room wich was the original plan.
@@lilblackduc7312 I just realized I have already been thinking about doing this when LTT did a video on this. I will wait and see what Wendels opinion is on it it before going into action tho :)
I am indeed a crazy person with a Jonsbo n1, 100% plan to use this series as my step by step tutorial (maybe diff motherboard but it looks like a great Mobo for this) to build it out
If this had been an option on zen 4 release, it’s probably what I would have gotten. Unfortunately, no reasonable mITX offerings at that time, so I got the X670E ProArt instead. It’s a shame mITX motherboards usually prefer outright wasting capabilities that the CPU and chipset offers, like just throwing away all those extra PCIe lanes instead of letting us use them to stick more M.2s on the back.
I used this motherboard in my first pc but may have got a bad one and rma it. I got a ryzen 9 7950x3d, nactua u12s cooler with a kryo sheet, 4090 gamers oc edition, 2x24gb 7200 36 dominator ram, 2 990 pro ssd's 4tb front fast, 2tb back, 1050w gold certified power supply by thermaltake in a tower black 200 case.
Excited to see this series. I have been looking to build in the N1. Need to downsize to something that can be tucked away in an apartment. Was skeptical of using those m2 adapater though my use case is not mission critical.
For the ECC memory there was a BIOS update after this video was posted. From reading some reddit posts it seems like the possibility of ECC is a thing again?
ITX is getting crazy these days because of how much they have to cram. I wonder how different it would have been if those ITX-only "chipsets" like the X300 that AMD once planned were more popular. Maybe we wouldn't have as much insanity with all these daughterboards and breakout cables just to make ITX functional.
What frustrates me is that instead of capabilities I do want, like Thunderbolt/USB4 or 10GbE, they decide to cram on things I couldn't care less about, like audio. Or four RGB headers but only two SATA ports? Come on!
The 7900 is simply the 7900X in 65W eco mode. You can enable the eco mode on any of the AMD CPUs, even the 7950X. People seem to forget ECO mode in these discussions. Just because the 7950X comes at 170W(230W PPT) by default, doesn't mean that you aren't able to configure it down. Same goes for 7900X/7800X/7600X or even 5000 and 3000 CPUs.
That motherboard is so sexy. I have an ASROCK B350ITX Fatal1ty gaming board and it has been amazing, I just upgraded to a 5700X cpu so I will be sticking with that system for some time but am just admiring how hot that board you got is. Dayuuum.
how were you able to detach that fan connector for the M.2 fan ? I almost ripped it off and then read on the internet that others are also struggling with that...
I’m not exactly sure why but I decided to skip current latest gen of pc hardware (cpu’s and gpu’s) and will wait for next gen to see what’s out at what performance and power.
I am looking into building a NAS/storage server at some point within the year. The situation with AM5 motherboards not supporting ECC is really frustrating. Like, even $250-tier boards are not supporting ECC. What is going on here? The previous generation supported it.
Great review. Currently buying the parts for my new rig now and I am torn between this and the ASUS ROG Strix B650E-I itx board? What's your take on the Asus b650 board?
I was hoping you'd check this out, not only does it have a lot of m.2 expansion but because of the fact the the i/o die on Zen4 has 2 RDNA2 CUs means that for server use you effectively you don't need a gpu and can run a pcie 5.0 m.2 card in the one pcie slot for loadsa fast storage.
You theoretically can run five PCIe5 NVME on this motherboard. It's not advertised anywhere, but the x16 slot will let you set it to gen5 speeds in the BIOS, and it supports x8/x8 and x4/x4/x4/x4 bifurcation. That's one gen5 M.2 in the marked slot, and then four more on a gen5 breakout card. The motherboard isn't sold as supporting PCIe5 on the x16 slot, but given that it's a relatively short distance from the CPU and is surface-mount soldered, chances are good it will work, which is probably why the BIOS includes the option. Gen5 x4/x4/x4/x4 bifurcation cards aren't a thing yet either, but given how little time it took between gen4 SSDs entering the market and ASUS selling a gen4 bifurcation card, it's probably not far into the future. Definitely will be expensive though, gen5 pretty much requires a redriver for that sort of thing.
Hi Wendell! I'm very interested in a NAS build in the exact same Jonsbo case using the exact same motherboard. Would love if you created a video on that build.
Nice Review 👍 So few choices for AM5 Mini-ITX 😩 Planning to build a Mini-ITX NAS with Fractal Design Node 304 so 4 SATA ports is really a must. Just waiting for the new APUs - want to run a VM on it and exclusively assign the iGPU to it so I can play some games on my TV on it aswell 😅This board and the MSI MPG B650I Edge are the only ones providing 4 SATA connections I am aware of.
I've been trying to pass the iGPU through to a VM since zen4 release, to zero success. If you do figure it out, let me know, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. What does work is passing through a dGPU with nothing plugged in, while your monitor/TV is connected to the iGPU. Wayland won't crash when you start the VM because that's a separate graphics card, but anything DX11 and up (which thanks to DXVK and Proton includes most games) will be able to use the GPU to render even with nothing plugged in. Similarly a Windows VM can use the GPU to render things it then displays over RDP.
@@СусаннаСергеевна Interesting, thanks for the info! I heard that there were issues but some could solve it with vbios blobs but that was for older generations...I guess I will see when they hopefully release some Desktop APUs this year.
@@deadman5985 I know exactly what you're talking about, I found that thread too when I first started looking into this. It came to nothing. I have since actually gotten a 5700G, and even with a dGPU plugged in, cannot find a way to pass it through to a VM. Even if I had managed, it's not necessarily going to work the same for the zen4 iGPU, given that it's not only a new architecture but an entirely different purpose ("basic diagnostics" vs "low-end graphics card substitute"). Given that it's an iGPU, it's very possible that successfully passing it through depends not just on the CPU, but on the motherboard and BIOS version.
@@СусаннаСергеевна I see you did a lot of research, too bad it didn't work :( I won't get my hopes up then but I will give it a try nevertheless when I build it and let you know if I had any luck :)
The gigabyte aorus x570s itx board would thermal throttle and CRASH my sn850 constantly if I left the heat sink on it. I ended up having to take off the heatsink and place a small Noctua fan in the case to blow across the ssd to keep it in check. Hopefully that doesn’t happen with this one
How are the iommu groups on this motherboard? Did you need ACS patch? Thinking of using this for single gpu passthrough and using the igpu for the host
If the F4B BIOS is roughly the same on this board as it is on Gigabyte's others like my B650 Aorus Elite AX... Gigabyte pulled F4B off the site several days ago. I tried it and it was hard to get the system to post consistently with it. Mess with any bios options and it would just crash completely. Luckily, a couple of days ago Gigabyte replaced it with F4 final (non Beta). It works much better, but they left at least one feature out of the BIOS on my board. The ability to disable DDR Power Down is gone. Hopefully it makes a return in the next BIOS version. And yes, running my Hynix M Die DDR 6000 at 6200 is nearly impossible without more voltage than I'm comfortable with.
God this Jonsbo vid can't come soon enough. Wendells finally gotten to me and I've decided to sell my half rack with a handful of old R*20 servers, spent the entire weekend going over hundreds of parts and builds and came to basically this. The only question is can I do 96gb of ECC with 48gb dimms, only 64gb means I'm gonna need another mini PC node.
Would be interesting to see how long does it take to boot with which BIOS settings. It seem very inconsistent between memory brands and frequencies. I've runing same mobo in air cooled formd t1 with 7900 PBO'ed to X specs and 6k CL30 G.Skill. But even with MCR enabled it would take up to a minute in most cases to boot into the windows... So in the end I decided to downgrade it to MSI's B650 which seem to be much more stable and posts much faster with same memory :(
I'm just kind of stuck with Asus since they include a Temp sensor header on their boards, until I give up on the meme that watercooling has become these days.
I'm doing a build with this motherboard at the moment... do you reckon it's worth taking off the stickers of the thermal pads for the m.2 slots i'm NOT using? E.g. I'll be only using the top slot (so obviously i'll take those stickers off), but not the one underneath, or the one around the back. Should i take the stickers off the ones underneath anyway just in case? Or should i keep it on in case one day i do use it?
@@kindadim No issues yet. I made it for my girlfriend's computer and it has been fine. It doesn't get super heavy use or anything though. But yeah no qualms with it.
Anyone getting 1 long 2 short beeps on this mobo? I've disconnected the GPU and tried three sets of RAM both dual channel and single channel. Gigabyte doesn't publish beep codes.
Have a request have a unraid server and lockerstor 6704t bit have dual 2.5gb ethernet and looking for a wifi that has dual 2.5 gb, Find that manufactures are using dual 10 gb instead on new equipment and no 2.5gb. Can discuss why this is happening most home users don't need 10 gb and the added cost is not warranted. Looking forward to your response
Had a system w/ a 7700 in a NR200 case w/ 32GB of RAM and a Noctua air cooler…..$1185. I will hold off on upgrading from a 5700X at that price. Performance gains aren’t worth it.
Bought this board. Refuses to post. Board turns on, fans on, ram is good. Will not post. I tested all the parts on another, atx Msi board and it booted right up. Crap gigabyte Itx
sorry but memory XMP support is very poor I've tried three different brands of 6000-6400 memory and they all crash the system and only run at stock 5600
itx is actually more niche than the impression you might get from all the hype around it. ppl build itx to have "the smallest" even if it means trade-offs that you wouldn't have if you just accepted the jump from ATX -> µATX as sufficient in terms of less spacious. itx is hard to keep cool with high end components. compared to µATX the boards have to cut corners (almost literally) to get at least the bulk of stuffs on it that is on the original design. also the price of µATX with the same specs sometimes even UNDERcuts the ATX pendant. while itx is on a whole other level , JUST for the reduction in size. with µATX the reduction in size comes free and you dont get castrated all too much in terms of DIMM slots, USB, VRMs, GPU fit, PSU fit, disk fit....AIRFLOW & features. YES. there IS a justification for itx for sure. but certainly no other than having to accomodate to furniture that does not offer space for ALREADY existing very slim & tidy µATX cases. apart from dimensions it is a downgrade.
