BA's Worst Flight - Club Europe from London to Amman - Flight Review

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What is BA's worst route? hen you ask frequent travellers, lots of routes are offered as BA's worst... But the flight I review in this video has a strong claim for that title - 5 hours in a cramped "business class" seat that's the same as you'd get on a 30 minute hop to Manchester. Just a few years ago you'd have enjoyed a wide-body service to Amman (and Cairo), but since the you-know-what BA has "enhanced" its offering on that route...
But is it really that bad???
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⏰ Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:57 - A Little History
3:44 - Boarding
6:25 - And Away!
9:07 - Into Amman
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@brandonclifton6685 14 дней назад

30” seat pitch in business is brutal. Thanks for doing the flight.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Thanks for watching!

@VP-1964 14 дней назад

‘Things I do for you dear viewer’😊. Your continual sacrifice is appreciated! Hope you’re keeping well Matt.

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

I do it for you! Thanks for watching!

@terenceorr 14 дней назад

It’s a shame the ex BMI mid haul config was scrapped, perfect for the customer on this route.

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

Old planes, poor economics... The you-know-what was the perfect excuse to can them....

@brandonwallis2788 13 дней назад

I’ve never liked BA personally, so found this video a good laugh, thanks

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

A service I perform!!!

@torstenkaehlert8447 13 дней назад

Love your dry British humour - had a big laugh when you mentioned “asked for a smaller menu” … brilliant 😂😂😂

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

Thanks - I try to make it entertaining to watch!

@mbarnbrook 14 дней назад

Your menu comment really did make me lol. On the subject of menus, this is another BA service inconsistence: I flew back from Tenerife this week and apparently there were no menus to be handed out. Had them before on this flight but apparently not available this time. Given the crews somewhat "laid back" service suspect they might have been hiding in a locked someone onboard.

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

You never can be sure, can you! BA really needs to be consistent here

@chillinb3816 7 дней назад

My 6ft 2", 22 stone husband and I did this route in BA Business a couple of years ago. He had no problems with the seat and we had a lovely flight. One passenger behind us did kick off about the standard of the Business "cabin", but to be honest, we had no complaints. We got what we expected and we expected a short haul flight. The most important thing to note is that if this flight had been in a long haul plane, we would not have been able to afford Business seats. They were much cheaper than our seats to other Middle Eastern countries. And Jordan was an amazing country. We did North to South and everywhere inbetween and it was incredible. Highly recommended (although Petra and Wadi Rum were tourist ridden hells!)

@MattsPlanet 7 дней назад

That's great to hear! And Jordan is amazing - although Petra can be hard work!

@royferguson2297 14 дней назад

We flew on two occasions to Crete with BA in the same seats same leg room as economy. We got a drink before the meal, a drink with the meal and that was that, the staff disappeared behind a curtain not seen again till half an hour before landing. We now are back with Jet 2 were we can relax with a few drinks on the flight.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

And quite a few extra quid in the pocket too? I like Jet2!

@philbrassington557 6 часов назад

Love the dry sense of humour, "I asked for a smaller menu but this was the smallest menu available" 😂😂😂

@MattsPlanet 3 часа назад

You have to ask!

@Joey5isalive 14 дней назад

Always enjoy your videos Matt 👍🏻

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

I always enjoy you watching them!

@jimmyjames6492 13 дней назад

Thanks for the info + video!

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

You are very welcome as always!

@RobertClaeson 4 дня назад

I regularly fly BA to various destinations around Europe, many about 2 to 3 hours from Heathrow. What you had is precisely what I get on those flights, aside from the pillow and the throw. I have flown about the same distance (about 5 hours as I recall) in an A320, with Lufthansa from Azerbaijan to Germany. The pilots had turned down the heating so much that the cabin was ice cold, and no throws were offered, even thought I was in business class. As it was warm and in the summer, I didn't have anything to cover myself with. That was possibly the worst flight I've been on.

@MattsPlanet 3 дня назад

Someone really needs to shake up Euro business...

@qase1985 14 дней назад

We do appreciate what you do for us hope you're well and have you been solving the problem you encountered

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Thanks so much. Problem not yet solved, but it's being closely monitored and it's not getting any worse! Carrying on as normal for the indefinite future

@mikewarde2802 13 дней назад

Interesting video Matt, good to see it was a pleasant surprise in some aspects. Maybe I'll bump into you again one day! Anything is possible.

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

Cheers mike! I hope we do bump into each other again and I'm not making a lounge video so can stick around in the CCR!

@AndrewGosling-Srebric 9 дней назад

Same thing on Lufthansa (who didn't even have a cabin divider on our flight out to Amman last year). Even the crew were embarrassed!

@MattsPlanet 8 дней назад

Euro carriers are racing to the bottom....

@user-ym6nx4id4r 13 дней назад

Nice vid, I'm only 5ft 9 and I think I would struggle in that seat, like the humour...hope you are keeping well. Best wishes.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Doing well - glad you enjoyed the vid!

@Physeggs 14 дней назад

Fun video! I'd definitely been curious about this flight since I saw that it was an 80 TP narrow-body route. You made an interesting point about carriers not really having a plane equipped for medium-haul routes. I feel like American's A321Ts are the closest offered by a US/European carrier

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

The US Transcons service similar distances but are much better... BA had a few routes of this length and really could do better... Even if the experience was OK for me this time!

@bodyloverz30 14 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet I had a BA widebody from Madrid, why are there coach seating in Business, in a widebody aircraft? This bullshit would not fly in America!

@johnmurray6802 13 дней назад

I’ve had the same experience flying BA Club Europe to Athens, Malta and Cairo. For me, around 3 hours is the maximum I can endure on those aircraft before it gets annoying, but like many I’m always pushing the tier points to keep my BA gold status! 😂

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

The things we do!!! And I'm not convinced the competition to some of those places is much better

@davidjewood 12 дней назад

“I asked for a smaller menu but they didn’t have one” 🤣🤣🤣

@MattsPlanet 11 дней назад

True story!!!!

@logibearlifts3454 11 дней назад

Really good timing with this video as I am planning on doing a reward flight to Cairo in business. I would still probably take it but ensure I had a neck pillow or something like that to aid with sleep. I am surprised they didn't offer a snack of some description later on in the flight, however I am guessing this is due to it being a night flight.

@MattsPlanet 10 дней назад

I don't think it's a long enough flight for a second service... And at the end of the flight you're in Cairo!!! I can put up with a lot to get there....

@garystaylor 10 дней назад

BA's boarding game is like roulette. I've seen over 50 pax in Group1 on a business heavy Euro route like AMS before. On long haul I've seen gate agents open up the Group 1-3 tensa at the same time as Group 4-9 which negates the benefits of boarding status completely. I'm currently on 5 night BA holiday in Madeira. Flying from my local airport, NCL, via LHR gives me and the Mrs 480 TPs each :-)

@MattsPlanet 9 дней назад

Good work on the BAH! Boarding roulette should be so easy to avoid, yet it seems so hard....

@jetawayjoe 8 дней назад

Great video Matt, hope you're doing well. Don't think I could brave it myself, when I went to Jordan a couple of years ago I opted for Turkish instead, once I'd seen the 5 hours on an A320 BA were offering...

@MattsPlanet 8 дней назад

Thanks - doing good! A one stopper to AMM is certainly an option but it does drag out the whole experience .. get a Turkish widebody though and all is forgiven!

@jetawayjoe 8 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet glad to hear you’re doing well Matt. It does drag it out a bit longer, but the 2 hour layover in IST was worth it for 2 A330’s back to MAN!

@charlesontravels 13 дней назад

I had the pleasure of flying this route a couple of years ago in the current club Europe version and of course we had a delayed takeoff so got to sit in those seats an extra hour! I also had the genuine pleasure of flying to Cairo in the club world config in my first ever business class points redemption a good few years back where I was super excited to spend as much time as possible in the seat, but of course that one arrived early after making up a load of time in the air!

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

That's always the way! Both are great destinations too! Love your content by the way....

@diamonddave2622 14 дней назад

Just got back from Jordan myself on a Star Alliance tier point run (holiday really) LH class Amman as intercontinental in their 'new' frequent flyer program. I deliberately chose multiple connections and picked up 600pts.

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

Other airlines recognise Jordan as not being in Europe!

@irishinusa1615 13 дней назад

Appreciate all you do 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Thanks!!!

@obdev9473 13 дней назад

I have definitely flown on a 744 to CAI within living memory, but that may be 12 or 13 years ago now. And yes, RJ are really quite good. Hope you're keeping well Matt.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I'm good thanks - a 744 to CAI does feel like overkill but it would have been a wonderful experience!!!

@davidshepherd6104 14 дней назад

Matt I think I would rather fly RJ on that route, at least you get a better seat. I first sampled DO&CO catering in 1997 on flights from LGW to VIE, VIE-SIN & SIN - SYD on Lauda Air. In those days, Do&Co were just starting out in airline catering and their main business was a Viennese restaurant. The catering was fantastic. I hope you are keeping as well and keep up the good work.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Thanks - RJ next time!!! Doing well and going strong thanks!!

@paulhellander2791 12 дней назад

New viewer here :-) I really enjoyed that, Matt. I guess I'll be back for more! Paul in Oz

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

G'day Paul! Plenty in the back catalogue if you liked that one....

@paulhellander2791 12 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet I will be looking ... Paul in Oz

@zaphod4245 14 дней назад

What's even worse about this is that they almost always use the NEOs on these long, formerly wide body, routes (as was the case for you), which does make sense as the better fuel efficiency makes more difference on a long route. But the NEOs a)lack the nice table in CE and b) the seats in the rear half of the plane (behind the overwing exits, and the limit of the business cabin) are slimline seats like you'd find on (qu)easyjet or ryan(sc)air, so are incredibly uncomfortable on a 2 hour flight, let alone 5. At least BA's newest (and future) 321NEOs have proper padded seats throughout, as well as the return of the tables in CE, but still, there's only one of those currently, and 11 more on order iirc, so for now at least many of the ET passengers will be suffering in unpadded slimline seats, where really they should be on a WT seat, which is a massive downgrade (sorry, "enhancement")

@arthurp346 14 дней назад

Indeed, but the CEOs with the table in CE mean that it is uncomfortable to stretch over multiple seats in the case that your block of 3 is empty.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Ah! The ironic use of "enhancement"! Well played...

@itsjoel 14 дней назад

Indeed TLV is now on a 320 via LCA.

@zaphod4245 14 дней назад

The return is direct TLV-LHR, and at some point the stop in LCA will be dropped entirely. The stop is only so the BA crew don't have to stay in Israel while there's a high chance of attacks/airport closing at short notice. And since flying LHR-TLV-LHR would exceed the limits for how long the crew can be on duty, they swap them over in LCA (as well as refuelling for the whole journey back to LHR) and then the new crew can do LCA-TLV-LHR. They used to do the same on widebodies during times of trouble in Israel, but now it's a painful narrowbody flight, which makes far less sense than AMM, CAI etc, as TLV is a much more business and Frequent flyer heavy route, and so BA will likely lose a lot of premium business to LY and VS when they restart their services.

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

Hopefully this is a short term move...

@ss-xy2im 13 дней назад

Am worried the BA A320 is staying on the route, they are selling the business class seats at only 20% less avios then when it used to be long hall, if they get away with this there is no chance they are going back, this is 1 of the reasons i took stopped having all my eggs in the ba basket, now also have with virgin

@jans.4309 14 дней назад

just returned from Amman with Austrian and I understand how you felt. But the Austrian flight is only 3:00 Hours from Vienna. In Miles&More you get intercontinental tier points (200) for Europa to Jordan. And starting from London via Vienna you got this ticket for 500 pounds (return).

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

A few votes for one-stoppers through central Europe because of how the flight is rated... Certainly something to look at

@Khalid_alj1 9 дней назад

Flew BA to doha luckily i was supposed to redeem with qatar airways but there is not seat left but decided to give BA club world try. And indeed their 777 is absolutely amazing it didn’t feel torn out. Registration was G-YMMU also service is impressive , catering was so good and cabin crew were fabulous

@MattsPlanet 9 дней назад

A positive report on BA is a rare thing in these comments! When they're good, they're really really good!!

@CupOfTea834 10 дней назад

We went on a 4 and a half hour flight with BA in business class a few weeks ago. 11 rows of "business class". They ran out of champagne after 45 minutes, ran out of 2 of the 3 main meals after the third row (I was watching what people ordered as we've experienced this before). They moved a couple back to the 10th row as a woman had paid before the flight to get the first row seats (they were fuming to say the least as they booked the front row seats as his partner had a stroke recently). As you said, leg room is appalling! I spoke with the stewardess and she said that complaints are coming thick and fast "all day, every day". She was super sweet and how she copes, I don't know. I avoid booking BA under any circumstances now as they are just terrible, a real shameful airline for the UK.

@MattsPlanet 10 дней назад

Thanks - hopefully they didn't run out of tea! I rarely criticise the crew in my videos as they're doing the best they can with what their airline has given them, which is often well out of synch with expectations.... I fear BA sees they've sold 11 rows of business and think "brilliant, our customers love our offering..."

@garystaylor 10 дней назад

You can't pay for front row seats on a BA Club Europe flight unles it's for bassinet use. They are blocked up to T -72 hours for BA Golds.

@CupOfTea834 10 дней назад

@@garystaylor True! Have not thought about that. But that's what the flight attendants told the couple who have been moved from the front seats.

@doveronefoxtrot4417 11 дней назад

If its 5 hours, it should be "medium haul". In their short haul there is no entertainment screens either, which is a disgrace.

@MattsPlanet 11 дней назад

Medium haul is so hard to define and harder to design a plane to operate...

@timtony7153 14 дней назад

Hi Matt, This is what I do not understand about this video, HEADLINE: BA worst flight, yet you conclude, amazing value at the end of the video!! So are you saying that you approve of BA sticking you on a short haul plane with no frills whatsoever, as long as they give you the opportunity to get it at a favourable rate? As a frequent J passenger that does not fit with me...I would take Rj 787 or TK via IST anyday, pay a premium, and get the experience that I desire, whilst spending the money that experience warrants? By no means this is a negative towards you, your person. Your content is of such high quality, that it provokes actual reflection, thinking on the subject. I for one could not book an awfull flight for a favourable rate. I am in a position to book what I desire as an experience! As always, all the respect to you, stay well Thomas.

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

Cheers Thomas - I went in with zero expectations and BA exceeded them! Helped enormously by having noone in the aisle seat.... So it should be awful and expect it to be, but if the dice land as double 6 it may actually be ok!

@FraserAtSea 10 дней назад

I can't believe they class this seat as 'Business class' - it feels like this should probably be a better aircraft with a more defined 'business cabin' on this sort of route!

@MattsPlanet 9 дней назад

I agree! BA obviously doesn't!!

@wingitoneworld 8 дней назад

Let’s face it, it’s not just BA here that class this as business class all other European airlines copy the format.

@douglewis7067 14 дней назад

Interesting review, and not all bad. That said, it seems that unless you're a BA Status holder AND you need to get to Jordan in a big hurry, it would just make more sense to travel on Qatar via Doha. I guess that's part of the value proposition of those mid east carriers: Put up with a layover and we'll treat you better than your home airline.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

It's quite a big double back to go via Doha but in essence, you are right. And putting up with a Doha layover is usually no ordeal!!

@davidgriffiths3713 13 дней назад

I am a BA fan, might be the only one. Just flown in economy with BA from LHR to Doha then onto KL with Qatar. The food and service by BA was far superior than on the Qatar flight.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

This is a safe space for that sort of opinion!!! BA can be great but the inconsistency is what galls people

@joannaduncan4881 10 дней назад

Not the only one David. I'm a fan too. Loyal to BA as much as possible.

@RandomLifeProductions 9 дней назад

I think BA have a mind of their own when it comes to boarding. In Malta at the moment don’t know if I could manage a five hour flight in BA business, three hours another is enough. Went to an interesting lounge in Gatwick airport got in with my priority pass, has a balcony and was like a Benidorm Experience, still have not got my head around the avios point thing yet, but I enjoy the travel.

@MattsPlanet 8 дней назад

Thanks - BA does not make things easy!

@js6120 13 дней назад

Did they have a smaller menu? 😅. I remember flying back with BA from Brussles almost 30 years ago and being in a middle seat in business class on the RHS of the plane 😡

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

That was the smallest they had! BA will still go 3 abreast in business if there's been disruption and they need to get people home... Which is probably fair enough...

@journeyingjohn3275 10 дней назад

Being in a seat with 1" less legroom or a seat partner would make it a crippling experience... I also wonder whether the BBQ chicken would still have been available in the 6th row of CE?

@MattsPlanet 9 дней назад

Indeed - am excellent reason to sit as far forward as possible although I think some people behind me did have their orders taken before me...

@journeyingjohn3275 9 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet Different from my experience with consistent underprovisioning resulting in an even smaller menu!

@herogeroi8521 13 дней назад

Glad it wasn't a painful flight for you Matt. Unfortunately I and im sure many others have spent 7hours on an A320 or 737 many times, mainly due to budget airlines boarding flights on time before telling you there's limited airspace so we need to wait x hours for our takeoff slot. Most recently I endured 8 hours on a Qatar a320 flying from DOH > SOF due to closed Iraq/ Iran airspace and further restrictions on takeoff slots. To make matters worse im gold card with Qatar, not far from platinum status and some random people were promoted to business class not me. The horror! This was the old knackered product with red seats so i didn't feel i missed out on much but i can't say i enjoyed seat 25 A a great deal.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Ouch - ground delays really pile on the agony as it's so hard to get up and move around then you're hoping to move at any second

@herogeroi8521 12 дней назад

Video idea. Head to Luton airport and pick almost any flight with Wizz in the middle of summer and see how things work for you :) You might need to get to the airport 4 hours early as at least half of the holiday passengers will forget to remove their sun lotion at security.

@ss-xy2im 13 дней назад

Great vid, thanks. Like Ryanair, BA likes pushing the boundaries to see how much crap it's customers are prepared to take, for some reason their customers don't mind

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Yet noone steps up and offers a service that competes???

@ss-xy2im 13 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet virgin started a good service to tlv.

@GG-hi5if 13 дней назад

I think the only airlines that can realistically break out into midhaul offerings (a321 xlrs) are transatlantic ones - jetblue, aer lingus, air canada, air transit etc.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

With dedicated equipment designed for that sort of route - you may be right. SAS and TAP too

@pcmacintyre 14 дней назад

What does BA consider a long haul flight? That "business class" seat wasn't even up to economy standards on some ULC Asian airlines I've flown, let alone economy seating on the full service carriers for an international 4-5 hour long flight. I guess I've lucked out on always getting wide-bodied aircraft on those type of routes.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Long haul generally means over 7 hours so this is really medium haul .. but then flights back from the US east coast are often

@harshilpatel684 13 дней назад

They should give you the whole row and a mattress on this flight

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

That would be nice!!!

@tonyracks2956 14 дней назад

dear viewer lolololol ........another great video hope your health is ok ... question for you please we are soon to be flying ba club to miami on a a380 what seat would you choose please and what lounge could we use many thanks

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

Upper deck window seats are the best - lots of extra storage. Some at the rear of the mini cabins allow you access without climbing over anyone... Lounges? T5B is the best as you'll almost certainly fly from a B or C gate

@tonyracks2956 13 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet THANKS MATT

@mikeparker3162 13 дней назад

Matt, Totally agree with your comments. Like you I am over 6' and as you say not a great deal of legroom. Also flying for over 5 hours like that forget it!!! Not really sure when BA are going to "wake up and smell the coffee" as all they seem to do is continue cost cutting. Boarding process, agree 100% unbelievable. You pay good money to basically sit in an economy seat. Not sure what I am going to do going forward, as I am sick and fed up of their inferior offering these days.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Sadly there's too little credible competition to give BA the jolt it needs....

@tumolucky17 5 дней назад

I did ask for a smaller menu 😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@MattsPlanet 4 дня назад

I did!!!!

@Millie.com232 14 дней назад

I now refuse to fly to Cairo on BA because of a lack of dedicated business cabins. I did before the change in 2018. BA is a horrible experience in business and has been for ages. For Jordan use Royal Jordanian to Amman it’s a great flight!

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Now I've experienced this I can happily never do it again!!

@MODECHARLIE 14 дней назад

Back in the day it was BMED that operated this route.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

That was a few days ago! Different times

@fluffyfour 12 дней назад

There should be a worldwide campaign to include WiFi on business and 1st flights. They give you wine worth hundreds in some cases and then charge you for the wifi! You'd think that if they can't give you a decent plane and a decent menu for a 5 hour flight, they could at least give you wifi? Still I suppose they have to make some money somewhere after changing long-haul business class from 2-4-2 to 1-2-1. Does make them seem bad value, though.

@MattsPlanet 11 дней назад

BA has introduced messaging for exec club members which may be a first step down that road...

@simonnlaroche5438 13 дней назад

But BA fly to the Canaries on a similar flight time and that has always been short haul...?

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

It's all very vague... I think when BA rerates a route that's when people take notice!

@CyclespeedTours 12 дней назад

I would pay roughly 10 pounds extra for that 'business class' experience.

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

Probably about right!!! Perhaps £20 more to the the exit rows in economy with much more legroom!

@richardstreet7518 14 дней назад

Just don't do it to yourself Matt... well ok maybe if in row 1!! But I would go RJ ... Tho BA's 787-8 are horrible in y... which I would suggest is BAs worst flights... tho the awful neo y seats are dreadful behind the exit ..

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

I'll accept that business class on these planes is not the very worst case option on the BA network!

@thomasmoore9421 14 дней назад

I do wonder if it would be better to choose RJ over BA on this route as they're both oneworld partners?

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

A widebody RJ flight over this on BA? Easy choice for me!

@GG-hi5if 13 дней назад

@@MattsPlanetThat said, RJ command a hefty premium for that comfort, especially in J. For those wanting to do this at cheapest - the avios redemption rates for this route have now been permanently reduced (like with Israel now its been reduced to short haul).

@da480 13 дней назад

The worst part is a ridiculous price of a ticket. How can BA justify it is beyond me… Jordan is high on my list for a visit and I won’t be BA for sure, for the reason you described in your great video. Also not on Qatar as their pricing even more ridiculous. So if no other other OW airlines offers good fairly priced options, will choose SA on which I also have a status, flying through Istanbul or Athens.

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

Jordan is well worth a visit - an amazing country. And it's serviced by some of the low cost carriers now so if getting there is the priority there are some much cheaper options now

@da480 12 дней назад

Thanks. I don't usually fly low costers. There are reasonably priced full service airline options like Turkish, which provide medium haul service in business, even if a stopover might be required.

@charliebrown5 13 дней назад

Thank You ✈️

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Thanks for watching!

@harshilpatel684 13 дней назад

1:26 the ex BMI A321LRs were introduced much earlier than 2018, I flew the Amman route in economy in around 2013?

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Thanks - I'm told my history is a little off in some of the comments - thanks for doing so politely!!!

@kevanhubbard9673 11 дней назад

Sort of medium haul those kind of distances.

@MattsPlanet 10 дней назад

No man's land for BA! Neither one thing nor the other!

@vincevinnyp9224 14 дней назад

Love the menu comment, 4.5hrs in Club Europe can be garbage, except as an Avios sale redemption when it can become a good deal. Amman is very underrated. Jordan and the Jordanians in general are great.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I have spent time in Jordan before and it is a lovely place ... Just passing through this time!

@AAeolian 8 дней назад

flew this route return from Luton (gotta mention the extra couple of miles and minutes 😉) with Wizz Air. even less pitch and no service lol but considering i paid about £45 return (plus another 30 for bags), i dealt with it. As for the boarding group situation, I flew to Madrid today and after Group 0 and 1, they went straight to 0-6 …………..

@MattsPlanet 8 дней назад

Wizz in the exit rows would not be a bad option even though it is further from Luton!

@alexbremner8361 10 дней назад

A narrow body for this long a duration is never much fun, for vacation it's almost tolerable but working it's just miserable. BA's Club Europe product is laughable for the money.

@MattsPlanet 9 дней назад

Oh good luck trying to open a laptop in that seat, especially if the person in front reclines...

@hendrikdevries9725 13 дней назад

Thanks !

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

Thanks for watching!

@jamesnicholls9969 14 дней назад

i have flown on the ex-BMI planes and they are lie flat they are the same as JetBlue's 1st generation mint seats without the doors. it was only LHR to DUB and i got a throne seat

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

Sadly retired during the you-know-what... I flew JetBlue and it was a decent experience

@TarrelScot 13 дней назад

Five hours on an A320? That were luxury! Try six hours down to The Gambia on a 737 with Tui!😂

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

You make an excellent point! Food was better than a handful of cold gravel too!

@steve-marsh 14 дней назад

You should never have to sit sideways in a business class cabin. The food looked good, but then again probably costs BA about £1.50, so the regular fare for this product could never be justified. Great video!

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Cheers Steve. Not the best flight I've ever had... But they did get better as the trip progressed!

@Paul-sp1wo 14 дней назад

Shame BA A320, 5 hours economy only with a small bottle of water and a small pack of pretzel...

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

It is a lot tougher up the back... But a lot cheaper too!

@gilesrdavies 14 дней назад

Could you not have flown with Royal Jordanian who have a proper business class, and who are One World partner too and redeemed you BA Avios with them? I've flown Luton to Amman with Wizz Air and it really wasn't that, had the seat next to me empty in both directions and is operated by an A321neo. It was only around £80 return. The crew on the Wizz Air really do work hard, and operated both sectors there and back, with no stopover! BA staff are very lucky!

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I wanted to fly this route to make this video! I'd planned to connect on on RJ but they cancelled the flight and didn't have another one for 3 days... Next time!

@kraimerfilms 10 дней назад

Ref- Inconsistency in boarding protocol/ soft product- In a nutshell a mix of minimum wage/ disdainful at customer attire/perceived social class etc. we live ina bizarre world where those who dreamed to fly the nations airline end up being overworked, undervalued and complacent . BA isn’t much different to Pan Am. It’s their political friends and old grandfather rights that keep them up there but having said that is any other well publicised airline any different . Love your videos.

@MattsPlanet 9 дней назад

Hard to argue with any of that! Well put!

@gexrge-ps5 14 дней назад

Im going to Spain in the summer

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

Have a great time!

@andrewmonks3668 13 дней назад

Amman was never a BA “long haul” route…it was a from British Mediterranean route which was taken over by bmi and then in turn taken over by BA again after the merger…It went from having large reclining seats to the bmi lie flat product but BA finally got rid of these planes during the pandemic…

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Long haul is theoretically over 7 hours so even the flights back from the US east coast don't qualify!

@matthewgordon-banks7553 14 дней назад

When I missed, accidently or otherwise, my 'wide-bodied' to Moscow I would try the ex BMI. it was not FAB, but it was FAB compared to a Club Europe of 5hrs. Points flight? Assume it was for our education as Avios via Royal Jordanian would have been more appropriate. Me: I just won't go to the near East with BA!! 😊

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I wanted to experience this flight and had planned to connect on with RJ, although they cancelled the onward flight and didn't have another one for 3 days...

@MrSeebsy 13 дней назад

The Euro 'biz class' on narrow body is a joke. I flew Dallas to Newark the other week in UA biz class. 2 + 2 huge seats. B737 Max. Real meal & drink already mixed in Glass. BTW. even UA economy has free text messaging.

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

I'll make a video about us Vs euro short to mid haul business one day... Might add Asia too although it will be a walkover if I let those airlines compete!!

@victorgrasscourt3382 14 дней назад

Just ridiculous that BA do not put a longhaul aircraft on this route.

@MattsPlanet 14 дней назад

It's all down to economics I fear...

@Flly867 13 дней назад

It’s not economics, it’s due to delayed aircraft deliveries due to the pandemic still as it takes years for new aircrafts to be delivered! I find it funny people complain about flying BA and still come back 😂😂😂. EasyJet, Ryan Air and Wizzair are still in business you all

@juliawigger9796 11 дней назад

5 hours is not longhaul

@winstonkhong4020 13 дней назад

Surely flying with RJ would score a nicer aircraft, and I believe MAN-AMM is 2000mi?

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

AMS to AMM is shorter but earns 140 tps... Usually a narrow body though... I wanted to connect on to RJ but they cancelled the flight I booked and had no other options for 3 days... Next time!

@joshauteuil4207 14 дней назад

I do wonder if this offering is so bad because their competition is a fellow OneWorld member in Royal Jordanian. Thanks for doing this trip so we don't have to 😂

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I wanted to fly RJ onwards to compare but they cancelled my flight...

@jasonbass908 13 дней назад

Sorry yes Matt I was Bmed crew at the time

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

As I said elsewhere, magic memories I'm sure!

@walkhikerun6918 14 дней назад

Personal air vents? I asked for a smaller menu? 😂

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I try to entertain....

@jasonbass908 13 дней назад

Yes Matti was BMED Crew

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

I'm sure you can tell some stories... Fascinating destinations too....

@jasonbass908 10 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet yes matt the Bmed route system included Almaty Bishkek Tashkent Tbilisi Ekaterinberg Baku Yeravan Beirut Amman Damascus Allepo Addis etc

@jampoyner 25 дней назад

Having moved stateside and changing allegiance from BA/AA to United, one thing I don’t miss is BAs inconsistent boarding process. United don’t get it perfect but it’s far better managed than any BA experience I’ve ever had.

@MattsPlanet 24 дня назад

I always remember that comedy sketch about US airline boarding where group 1 ends up being the 35th group called forwards...

@willhovell9019 14 дней назад

The downgrading of the Athens flights has been similarly grim.

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

4 hours or so? I think one is "overnight" too which is just awful!

@mtfbwy78 13 дней назад

Do & Co are the absolute pits of a catering company

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

They are highly rated though - I think they've been pretty good!

@stevelee2787 4 дня назад

sorry but you want to try the a320 etiad from abu dabbi to maldives a terrible flight worse then Ryan air 😂

@MattsPlanet 4 дня назад

"Etihad's worst flight" - at least its quite nice when you get there!

@parasinthephilippines 13 дней назад

I remember they days of Pork Chop on flights

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Cultural sensitivity means those days are long gone!!

@ianhares9832 13 дней назад

Could it be that they are just short of long haul aircraft having early retired the 747s, Dreamliner deliveries being behind schedule and the 777x continually disappearing over the horizon. A long way of saying Boeing is a mess!

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

I think BA realised they would make more money on those routes with short haul aircraft - if they had widebodies available I doubt they'd use them....

@ianhares9832 12 дней назад

You’re probably right. In a way it’s surprising they still do Amman at all given that RJ is the competition, a fellow One World airline using a 788.

@mohammedparekh1324 13 дней назад

I’m a group 0 and honestly I’ve only seen it administered once overseas and that was at HK recently… I regularly just get called up between 0-3 in shorter hall services like the a320.. but rarely do I get any recognition being gold guest list.. what is the point? I may move over to Qatar and actually get some service for once 😂 #FirstWorldProblemsIndeed

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I've done a few flights since group 0 was rolled out and it's been well observed so far... But that's been mostly in UK ports!

@killingtime8612 8 дней назад

How come no infotainment? It’s long enough flight to warrant it surely!

@MattsPlanet 7 дней назад

You would think so!!

@Fat_Cat_747 13 дней назад

Still to do it but I'd aim for RJ in business by Avios. The euro-biz service on mid haul routes like AMM and CAI is outrageous. I'd say BA ought to at least make pitch 34 inches and while still being flex in cabin use, no harm in letting lucky economy passengers experience the better Club Europe rows, either as economy service in the more spacious unused rows or as CE as a status triggered upgrade. For all they'd lose in overall capacity on the aircraft - and after all, is it running at 100% anyway ; I bet not. KLM and Air France have / or had better pitch than BA in their euro-biz offerings. With so many CE seats going empty I am guessing it would be a net benefit to BA if they made pitch 34 again. edit : And maybe then fattys like me might get their tray table down so as to eat straight on and not have to twist to the tray of the blocked middle seat !

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

There's a lot of logic there - plus BA could charge a premium for those larger seats...

@Fat_Cat_747 13 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet well, same seats but longer pitch, if they are to keep their flex cabin

@castlegate2015 14 дней назад

BA sponsored content Im thinking. 😮

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

No and never!

@colinmears2375 14 дней назад

you were determined to be critical from outset

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Did you listen to my conclusions at the end?

@dospalmascb 14 дней назад

BA has dumped the TLV route too! it's down to the a320 neo's for the moment. However it is supposed to be returning later in the year if the route gets busy enough. For me I'm seriously miffed by this, but at least they have honoured the tier points from the original bookings. We have 1a and 1c for our flights, so decent room. I'd like to see you visit Israel on ElAL and see how they compare to BA, They have a very mixed reputation, some love them and others hate them. I'm thinking of swapping my BA flights to ELAL but they have now doubled the Business class fare from LHR and after our trip in September it will mean we retain Silver and need one or 2 more trips before april to get gold ( as our previous 2 trips have been cancelled because of the terrorist attach on October7th). So, do we suffer and get status or not is the question?

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

I too have seen some mixed reporting on ElAl but I would like to fly them - not least as it would mean a trip to Israel! Status is a handy thing to have if you travel much on other airlines....

@Fat_Cat_747 13 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet You get a plane with defensive missiles in a pod beneath the fuselage. Not many flights have these ! It would be good if you could fire them for fun from the IFE at your seat, but they won't let you.

@dospalmascb 12 дней назад

@@MattsPlanet Thanks for your reply. Very much appreciate it. You could have popped over on Royal Jordanian, its something like 40 minutes gate to gate.

@jasonbass908 14 дней назад

This is so not true BA Operated 767's then a BA Franchise operator called Bmed operated it using A320 & A321 with dedicated Buisness class with the cradle seat all food was supplied by the concorde kitchens at gate gourmet the service was fantastic then Bmed were taken over by BMI and the service went downhill BMI were taken over by BA the crews were taken off the Bmed routes Amman Damascus Khartoum Beirut etc then the original aircraft used were taken out of service by BA when covid hit and since flying returned BA have been using their euro fleet aircraft and the service has suffered ever since the service now is nothing like it was when operated by BMED on BA's behalf so I suggest you fly Royal Jordanian

@MattsPlanet 13 дней назад

Thanks - comprehensive! A long time since you've been able to fly to Khartoum....

@paullewis2413 13 дней назад

As far as I’m concerned B.A. are f**ked. Luckily on my regular long haul I can avoid them and get a much better deal with A.F. Their latest safety video is infantile in the extreme, obviously that’s what they think of their clients, which thankfully I’m no longer one. 5hrs should not be short haul because their product in that category sucks.

@MattsPlanet 12 дней назад

I'm keen to get on AF as they're well regarded... Plus I'll see if madness descends and I can buy up into la premiere!

@juliawigger9796 11 дней назад

Treat your employees like shit get shit.