That baby just wants to drink milk to survive but Jingga keeps pulling it away. Doesn't even let it hang on to her like orang babies do to their mothers.
The miracle is that the baby is alive and here you should be happy. He is now three months old, and still looks like a month-old skinny and hungry baby, apathetic and weak, and whether I am an expert or not I can distinguish a malnourished baby. Yes, they feed him, but every time she doesn't let him eat to his fill, she just keeps pulling him away from the breast and putting him away and holding him down so he doesn't move. I know you will say that the zoo is controlling and watching over the baby,but it still does not look good. the zoo should do everything to make sure that such a young orangutan does not get pregnant, because this is the result, she definitely should not be a mother yet. . I hope the baby survives, because the mother is unlikely to be a better mom anymore, she's just not ready for motherhood, it's not her fault. There is a female orangutan in Monkey Life who had 4 cubs and didn't raise any, she either starved them all or simply left them, not every female both human and animal is suitable for motherhood. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this baby to succeed. Thank you for the update.
I know this is just a short period of time and i Just watched a few videos of other orangutans of the same age and they looked more alert and more active and mom's basically don't put them down or pull them away when feeding.Hopefully the on the job training works out
She just cuts him off from eating while she continually stuffs her face, and he probably struggles to eat as it is he needs to be taken away from her. This is only getting worse.
Awww - contrary to most viewers, I think little man is definitely gaining some condition. It’s great to see him feeding❣️ He’s moving more, seems quite alert, and Jingga is keeping him clean and warm. I think she’s getting the hang of motherhood. ❤ I’m mindful that we only see very short clips of baby’s day, so I’m 100% confident that the zoo is keeping a close watch on them both and would intervene in a heartbeat if there were a serious problem. Thanks so much for the update. 🙏
Totally agree! He seemed very alert and was feeding well from Jingga throughout the day, not just this instance She is inexperienced but is trying hard and is obviously doing what she thinks is right - 3 months on she seems to be getting the hang of it more She is not following the familiar orangutan parenting methods of constantly carrying him around on her side but she was cradling his more and was leaving him less The keepers informed us that she was particularly protective of him when the other Orangutans were watching them from the other enclosure, which is a good sign They are under constant observation and the keepers confirmed they have not had to intervene to date We will keep the updates coming, including more videos from this visit Thanks for watching and for your valued comments
I agree with you 100%. The zoo is doing the right thing by making sure little man is receiving enough nutrition but stands firm in letting nature well, nature lol. All this stepping in and humans putting their hands in stuff is absolutely ridiculous. It’s overdone all the time! I’ve worked at a primate sanctuary for 14 years now. I’m so happy with Zoo’s and sanctuaries laying off and not being the helicopter moms as heavy as they use to be. As for Jinga, she is doing damn good as a first time mom. She clearly loves her baby boy and wants him right there with her. Lol people make me laugh because they really need to remember… primates are NOT as fragile as a human when they’re infants and babies. Anywho! Mainly wanted to agree with you and kudos for the positivity man. It’s lacking everywhere it seems! ❤😊
I think she's doing hey very best and anything she does is done with love for him and she won't stay to far from the right path so long as she continues to let love guide her. I'm surprised she doesn't carry him more or rather constantly clutch him to her, but Jari maybe this will make for a stronger @ more independent baby...
Eine junge Mutter hat es mit dem ersten Baby oftmals nicht ganz leicht, vor allem, wenn es behindert ist. Jinnga macht das so toll! Sie umsorgt ihn, er ist ihr Sonnenschein❤ Der Kleine lebt gut❤ Danke, dass er ihr nicht weg genommen wurde, danke, dass die beiden diese Chance bekommen haben❤
Thanks so much for watching, when we spoke to zoo staff they did say that she was learning and making some good progress. So hopefully all will be well. 🥰
I'm posting this text on October 21, 2023. Have things improved yet in the mothering department. I hope so for both of their sakes. They are both beautiful and precious.❤
We have a lot of update videos to come, hopefully our first will be released tomorrow, she is still showing her inexperience but both mother and baby are getting on with the job in their own way. Thanks for watching. 🥰
There are a couple of new short videos. It doesn't look great. Jingga looks bored and depressed and looking for food all the time. The baby looks emaciated and sadly not properly bonded with mum. Surely some intervention is called for. I know it's not for us casual onlookers to know what the right thing to do is, but I hope they don't wait too long for Jingga to improve her mothering. So far, it doesn't look as though she's going to.
Happy to see baby boy and Mom doing well! I was curious if Jinnga would be more protective if they integrated her back with the rest of the Troop??? It may be just the motivation she needs to be a bit more involved ❤?!?
Yes we were happy to see she was doing well and still looking after her baby The keepers confirmed that they have not had to intervene with them or with the feeding and they have constantly been observing them closely, so she is doing well on her own They also said that when the other Orangs come over to take a closer look, she gets very protective of the baby, so it seems that they think she is not quite ready to let them all integrate yet, but as you say this may encourage her to hold the baby all the time, instead of leaving him in the straw for short intervals She did seem to hold him more on this particular visit than on our previous one though We will be visiting them often and posting regular updates on the channel Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@ApeTracker1 Thank You for taking the time to record, and post these and all of your videos! They're always a highlight of my day! (I'm a Mom and we have our last two teenagers left at home, (16, &17) so watching your videos (a couple others, currently the VMF, and the twin Korean baby pandas) is my time for me! My kids know when my "Ughhh monkey or panda videos" are on then it's time to ask Dad for whatever, LOL!)
@@ApeTracker1 That's a very good point. I can see that happening after she and the baby have had more time together. I believe it would just be instinctual to keep the baby safe next to her/on her, around the others until she trusts them. She does look better with the baby and if the zoo is observing I hope everything turns out okay. Not interfering is the best for both of them and they are the pros and I know they don't want to lose the baby orangutan as they are so endangered. So I have to be confident they are doing everything they need to do for them. Jingga is trying her best with her first baby and that's how she will learn. Best wishes to Jingga and the baby. I appreciate your videos. Blackpool zoo and chester zoo are my favorite zoos even though I am in the USA. I really wish I had the money to move that way. A lot of the zoos over there have the best environments/living conditions for their wild animals which is exactly what they need. Thanks again
She does have a different style than the experienced mother Orangutan at Chester but when she climbed up high the baby did cling on to her a bit. We have quite a few more videos of them both coming up. Thanks so much for watching. 👍
She doesn't let the baby clingy. She should have not been able to have another baby until she matured more. That's what happens when a male is in the same enclosures. Male Orangutans are very abusive and very nasty when they want to mate. The females have no choice but the zoo should be educated enough to know when a female is not mature enough to have a baby. The are only in it for the money not their welfare, new baby more visits and money. Most of those zoos should be shut down.
That poor little one. S/he looks so small, but does have a little belly. The poor baby is so used to being put aside it just pays there. Totally NOT typical of an orang to do. The babies skin texture is making think possibly a little dehydrated from not enough nursing time? Hopefully they both do okay 😊❤️
Yes, I think baby is still small, especially after seeing the newborn at Chester zoo, but yes I agree both are making progress. Thanks so much for watching. 👍
I spoke to zoo staff and they said they hadn't needed to intervene and that so far baby is healthy. Hope this helps and thanks so much for watching, we really appreciate it. 👍
We are trying to work a visit into the schedule soon for an update on them both. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. 👍 we really appreciate it. 🥰
Agreed, Jingga is inexperienced and is obviously trying her best, and in our opinion improving too Many first time ape mothers reject their baby, especially when they are young and only just an adult themselves Jingga is doing what she thinks is right and is feeding the baby without intervention, so far from the keepers So many issues arise when these animals are hand reared, so the keepers will only intervene if absolutely necessary Thanks for watching and for your valued comments, have a great weekend
The mother seems pretty indifferent to it . Treats it more like an object . I would , by this time , be taking that baby away , and give it full time care , that I believe it needs .
Yes, we spoke to zoo staff and they said she was making progress which is great, she still has some way to go but I think her confidence is growing. Thanks so much for watching. 🥰
It was good to see baby nursing at beginning of video, but I felt bad for him when she pulled him off her breast and laid him down. I don't think he was done. Also, is Jingga & baby off-exhibit or can public see them? Sometimes think they should be kept out of public eye for awhile so mom has less stress from all the noise and people watching them.
I was there a few weeks ago. She had an area in her enclosure which was screened off to allow some privacy if required, but she constantly came over to the window, wanting to show the baby off to visitors. She also took the baby over to the partition in between the neighbouring enclosure so that the other orangs could have a good look too. Whenever she moved around she always took the baby with her.
She has a screened off privacy area where she took the baby regularly We observed her feeding the baby many times during the visit and for longer not just this instance Thanks for watching, more updates to come of Jingga and baby
Thanks for your valued comments We saw her show baby to the rest of the group too and she seemed to be feeding baby well on this visit Adorable when she regularly showed off the baby to the public too! Thanks for watching!
I dont know, the baby looks lethargic to me… also, it seems the mother doesn’t show the instinct to cradle the baby as ive seen other orangutan mothers display.
Yes Jingga is a first-time inexperienced mother and the keepers are keeping them both under constant observation However she has been caring for the baby for the 3 months since his birth without any intervention, so the keepers must be satisfied with his progress They have the welfare of this baby from such an endangered species as their absolute priority and do not want any harm to come to him Thanks for watching!
@@ApeTracker1 do you have any idea where Jingga might have picked up that patting the baby behavior? I’ve never seen another orangutan do that and I know they are apt to copy what they see others doing…
The baby seems pretty underweight if you ask me. I hope the zoo does not wait too long to intervene. Is he not getting any supplementary feedings? I don't understand why the zoo does not allow other females to help care for the baby.
It's hard not to feel sorry for the little guy. Jingga treats him like a doll. Still, she lets him feed, which I guess is something. Was she given a doll to practise with? If so, not such a great idea. Better to show her videos of how to be a mum. But of course we don’t know. Thanks for the good backstory and info though. ❤
Thanks so much for watching, she does lift him a lot but he is clinging to his mum a little bit more now and she has been climbing up high in the enclosure with him clinging to her. We spoke to zoo staff and they said she is making progress even though her inexperience does show. 👍
I want to watch these two 24 hours a day! Please can we have an update? Otherwise I'm going to have to take my tent and drive 6 hours to Blackpool in my tiny car and live there!
I'm sorry, I am worried something bad has happened. I only started watching these two last week. I have purposely stayed away from Orangutans, have been glued to the Japanese gorrilla families because I knew I would become obsessed and I was right!
Yes, her inexperience does show but after watching her closely, I believe she really is trying her best. The Zoo staff have been working closely with her and have said she is making real progress. Thanks so much for watching Sapphire, we really appreciate it. 👍
Always thought this was a great idea, i really wonder if its been attempted. They’re so smart and observant. I believe it wouldnt do any harm to try this as a method of training
Jingga appears to be progressing. Experience will come with time. The staff are there so they have a broader picture and they do not seem to be worried.
Thanks for watching, the when we last spoke to staff they said that fortunately they hadn't needed to intervene, it is always uncertain in the early years for babies but is important that they remain with their mothers. Keep well and have a wonderful week. 🥰
@@ApeTracker1 Why does the zoo not inform on its website about his life, complete silence as if he were not there? There is only a video of Jingg's 14th birthday and he has a baby, he keeps it away as always. It is comforting that the baby is alive. I look forward to hearing from you.
Well, he finally found the Milk Bar...till mama yanked him off of it. What I find unusual (compared to other videos) is that she places him face down on the floor... along with dragging him around on her foot. People have speculated that baby is weak because he gets no exercise from hanging on to mom's body/hair. Both mother & child seem lethargic. Is it possible that mother is mentally slow? Are there any tests for that? Baby would follow suit, because that's the way he's being raised.
That baby needs to be removed from momma she is not caring for her the way a normal momma orangutan does, I've studied them for years , she seriously needs to be rehomed to another momma soon or baby won't make it
But it is not good enough. This baby is too thin and don't get enough warmth. It is a wild animal,, but in prison and endangerd. Start with à comforting action for this offspring. It is a shame for Blackpool to show this poorly situation.
Yes we were really happy to see that she is still caring for him The keepers confirmed that they are observing them both closely and have not had to intervene with them so she is feeding him well, Yes, we agree he is still small but he seems quite alert We have just released a video of the new baby Bornean Orangutan born to Sarakei at Chester Zoo and you can see the baby was born much bigger Look out for regular updates on this channel as we will be visiting Jingga and her baby often Thanks for watching and commenting!
thanks for the update. The intelligence and learning capacity of great apes should not be underestimated. Jingga is doing better every day! And don't forget that orangutan babies are stronger than humans! (I see many comments from people who suffer depending on what gestures in Jingga videos)
Спасибо за просмотр, мы поговорили с сотрудниками зоопарка, которые очень внимательно наблюдали за ними обоими, и Мать прогрессирует и учится по ходу дела, у нас есть еще несколько обновленных видеороликов. 👍
We visited yesterday and both mother and baby are doing well. Jingga is still taking an unusual path looking after baby but it seems to be working ok for them both. Thanks so much for watching. Keep well and have a wonderful week. 🥰
Mom may not be getting enough to eat. When her food is done she pulls the baby off her nipple. Reminds me of montain monkeys who don't get food until people intervene & drop off food. After she stops feeding the baby she starts eating whatever bits of her own excrement that is under the straw. Something definitely is wrong here. Give her more food!!!
Sort of upsetting that the baby wanted to nurse more but she moved him away. It’s odd that she doesn’t let it cling to her like most of them do. However, the zoo staff is educated as to what to look for and should know what they are doing. He is still a very handsome little baby.
Thanks so much for watching and understanding that she is an inexperienced new mum, we spoke to the zoo staff and so far they said that they hadn't needed to intervene but were doing everything they could to support her without taking the baby. She has made progress over the last few weeks. 🥰
I believe he will grow up strong and independent and as he older maybe she can bond with him through playing with him 😢, idk. But he’s still here soo she doin something right
It doesent look like he was done eating when she pulled him off and put him on the ground for whatever reason The keepers need to intervene, because none of that looks right.
The Baby is definitely starving, it‘s far underdeveloped for 12 weeks, Jingga will let the Baby starve the death - not by purpose but she will. Babys That age should by MUCH MORE active. Look how skinny it is, how lethargic it’s eyes! This is how starving looks like. Remember this Baby !
We put faith in the many experts both at the zoo and the support staff in the wider European Breeding program that they have more expertise on the welfare of Orangutans raising their young than we who just observe them and care about them The zoo wants the best for the baby and have wonderful dedicated people who work with these animals every day The zoo is part of the European Breeding program The baby's father - Kawan, was specially selected by the studbook keepers to father offspring with this group of females to prevent extinction by creating strong captive population
That baby is way too weak even to make any noise when he is getting pulled away. So on one hand she is an inexperienced mother and on top of that she is not getting any cue from the fatigued and hungry baby that he needs more. In many videos I have seen zoo authorities interfere even when the mother was not doing that bad. Here what’s the plan ? To wait for the inevitable?
Thanks for watching, we spoke to zoo staff and so far they haven't needed to intervene as they do so as a last resort only. Fortunately she is feeding baby more and more as time progresses. 🥰
Intervention is necessary. Mom isn’t doing what the baby needs at all. She’s trying but has no idea that the baby needs to hold on to momma and allow for feeding, she’s just patting its back! 🥲
I agree. The baby is lethargic and obviously starving. The mother may be trying but it's time for the zoo staff to intervene. Also the baby is not getting enough TLC from the mother. It is so sad to see that precious little boy, so tiny and malnourished, laying alone instead of in his mother's arms. It is breaking my heart. What is the zoo staff waiting for? It is past time for them to intervene in my opinion. 😢
