"And your name will be remembered!" I don't think this was an insult. I think it's a painful admission that Sheridan is not an adversary to be taken lightly. He destroyed the Black Star, so he is cunning and lethal, but he also saw through the Tragati's ruse and avoided a conflict that could have ended with his destruction, so he is also wise and intelligent. The admission, "your name will be remembered" is another notch on Sheridan's belt in Mimbari blood, an acknowledgment that they still have reason to fear him. It is a sign of respect, even though the Mimbari captain had to spit it out. There is no greater honor than being respected and feared by those who hate you.
And then, a season and a half later, Minbari would stand against Earth in defence of Babylon 5, using the reasoning of "Why not? The only one we fear is standing with us"
Or a a sign of respect. Warriors are a proud group they have a need to best all and in part to be remembered sense they know they don’t build anything wall they do it to protect others or to avenge injustice when it comes down to it they know they only destroy
@TryNDoxMe No! He said it himself! They can't go home! Why not? They are traitors, they ran when ordered to cease fire and "surrender" to Humanity! There was no saving them! The overloaded their own reactor after all (the hit by the other warcruiser was a clean cut, so no secondary explosions etc. they could have surrendered then and there, but they didn't because that would cost their honor!) and their fighters dove into the explosion!
"There is no greater honor than being respected and feared by those who hate you." Sure there is. That's the hate going away and turning in to love. I doubt anyone has pulled that off in real life though (outside of Stockholm syndrome). Though I suspect in Babylon 5 it happens for Sheridan at the end.
" it is better to be feared than loved " . I think that's correct . I think it's from Paradise Lost , along with " it is better to rule in Hell than serve than serve in Heaven "
the design aesthetics of the Membari ships with the tropical fish look was brilliant, the contrast against the blocky Earth ships makes for a visual feast
Minbari captain "Their death will be mourned. And your name will be remembered!" Sheridan "yeah yeah, in less than 5 years I will have married your queen and be living on your homeworld ruling over you. And you'll love me for it."
@@AloneInWonder2683 it really doesn't, especially now. At their height they were good competitors, space-magic-bullshit post-scarcity idiots running too few ships against too many existential threats versus hard times and professionals doing what they could in a galaxy going to hell and where diplomacy was the last option available.
@@AloneInWonder2683 I'm pretty sure that Deep Space Nine - imho the best Star Trek series ever created - borrowed a few ideas from J. Michael Straczynski after he pitched his space station series to them and they rejected it.
Crazy Minbari seem to be quick to take offence. They were wiping out an entire species, performing a H0l0caust on an Galactic Scale, but are offended because Sheridan nuked one of their ships.
To be fair the tech difference was like a tank Vs a horse and cart...... I'd be pretty confident I would win too... Just didn't realise the cart was completely filled with dynamite.
Honor has its place before and after a battle, but trying to be honorable in the middle of one is tantamount to suicide. Sheridan's cunning strategy against a ruthless enemy speaks well to his skill as a commander.
@@stephenkenney8290 there's problem with that... What would be considered too dishonourable? The Centauri used mass drivers against a civilian population. Effectively genocide on the Nairn homeworld, this action won the war. The use of mass drivers is banned in the B5 universe.
This episode showcase Sheridian's smartness. With situational awareness, he's perfectly tactical and strategic in his planning . He can take out an entire Shadow fleet with this thinking?
What a waste. If the crew of the Trigati wanted to die, fine. But to also destroy the cruiser and fighter wing? That's billions of Minbari credits down the drain, and one less warship to fight the shadows. They were traitors and cowards right to the bitter end. Their honour isn't worth the buffalo-shit on a nickle!
@@leoperidot482 THe minbari war cruiser didn't kill anyone. They committed suicide by overloading their own fusion reactor or whatnot inside the ship. They ordered the Trigati to stand down and prepare to be boarded. And no, in general, Minbari does not kill Minbari.
@@leoperidot482 That was why the cruiser disabled the Tragati's engine and prepared to board her. The fact that the Tragati's captain and crew chose to commit suicide rather than be boarded must have weighed heavily on the cruiser captain's mind, as he likely felt that he in a way killed them (Mimbari do not kill Mimbari). That was why he gave that very curt and brusque reply to Sheridan. Like "U are an asshole for making me do this to my fellow Mimbari"
The Minbari are so full of shit. Even the captain at the end seemed offended with Sheridan - how can they cry 'honour' when trying to palm the problem off to someone else? It was a rogue Minbari ship, so it was a Minbari problem
the Minbari would have accepted death by cop, which Sheridan didn't give them. The other ship was forced to destroy their engines, leading to their mass suicide. Minbari do not kill other Minbari, so the captain is incredibly offended at having to do that (albeit indirectly) for Sheridan's sake. Had Sheridan opened fire one suspects the other captain would have appreciated the gesture and the Minbari government would not have taken offense either. The Warrior class are like Samurai, they prefer to die with their weapons in hand and in a blaze of glory- however here the Sharlin could have easily blown B5 to smithereens, yet wanted to die doing so-; not quite honorable, to be honest. The question is, what of the Tragati crew in the fighters? were they scooped up by B5? the other ship?
@@SantomPh when the ship is exploding you can see the fighters rushing into the blast starts around ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P4H4eENZo4M.html
Isn't one of the biggest concepts that B5 has is that despite whatever similarities exist between species, each species is hard to understand? Across the board. I always thought the idea of standing in solidarity alongside beings who are ultimately unknowable was one of the great messages of the show. A hyperbolic method of saying that in reality, our similarities are more important than our differences. Sure in the end, all of the intelligent species in the show are based on humans, since in the real world we have no other examples to base them on. edit: changed "hyperbolic statement" to "hyperbolic method of saying"
Something just occurred to me. I wonder if video of the second war cruiser leaving was later used to trick the night watch allied officer into thinking the cruisers protecting the station had left?
You know, for safety reasons, what with the first 3 being destroyed and the 4th missing, maybe they should push the jump gate a wee bit farther away, like, 1 AU?
Every warship of this size has it's own Jumpdrive. And the more advanced races have them in way smaler ships too. They only use the gates - if they use it - for energy and fuel efficiency. Moving it farther away would just hinder civilian traffic and reinforcements, while doing nothing against warships or crisis.
The one thing that only really drove me crazy about this show I know aliens would think differently then humans but not even Gene Roddenberry’s war loving Klingons would think that basically running at someone with a drawn weapon is going to be seen as anything other then a act of aggression
@@Reoh0z again wepons might not be powered up but they are still out they dont know the range of the guns they might be like shot guns only really danguers at a limited rang so again basically runing at a unknow group with a wepon drawn even if you have the gun pointed up in the air your still geting shoot
@@mandellorian790 so your sawing if someone was running at you with a sword or gun raised you wouldn't think attack? theirs a difference between showing strighth and a attack poster
@@seanbraley2772 point is the Mimbari had quite a different culture, and judging it from our point of view is just repeating the errors. Also remember most other species avoided the Mimbari all together (see the Molari episode about this) only due to human arrogance they were even there.
Good to know thanks. I think I understood it but it might thought it meant on an attack run like Luke in the death star trench. As a non native English speaker some sentences and meanings could be interpreted diverent.
Just imagine the mess and all debris left behind after this Honor "Bull". Mimbari must send their workers cast now to do great clean up, as I doubt their warriors cast will do it.
The Humans and Minbari became allies during the Shadow War, Earth Alliance Civil War, and inside the Insterstellar Alliance. Earth is the second or third most powerful younger races after the Minbari.
We are fortunate to have at least this series. Even after 30 years almost I find it very rewatchable and even reflecting current world events. JMS never made it to be a franchise but eventually it did a bit with crusade and the legend of the rangers attempt, just like star trek OS.
I wonder this. If EA already had access to the same tech they have in 2260, upgraded the Nova class and Hyperions with it and also a couple of Shadow Nova Dreadnought in their disposal, how would the EA-Minbari war go? Would the outcome be the same, but only dragging the war for years?
Considering the Warlock had enough guns and armor that it could rival Primus and Sharlin's without issue, probably a phyyric victory at best. A stalemate for both really, the same if the EA went to war against the Centauri. Earth spent a lot of time using the means of acquiring new technology in order to get on par with the other great powers, but it's the economy and our ability to work with others that won us friends.
And in the post script, the maintenance robots will have to deployed out there at full time cleaning up the body parts and debris for the next 39 days so as not to have hazards to ships going back and forth through the jump gate. How very inconsiderate of the Mimbari to create and leave their junk at the front of the jump gate. Why didn't they just do their fight somewhere else safely out of sight?
Why was the Minbari Captain angry at Sheridon at the end of the clip? All he did was call for help. The Minbari blew themselves up. Sheridon had nothing to do with it.
Sheridan pretty much commanded the B5 equivalent to the Enola gay to drop a atomic bomb on their collective honor. Some Apsects of their people are still pretty mad about that.
@@VoodooV1 Well yes by all means from their cultural perspective Humans were the aggressor and it was a righteous war that they were absolutely winning. The entire war stemmed from human arrogance, but Sheridan...he got the first straight up kill of the war in the only moment where superior strategy granted a moment of parity.
major disphoria between what the first episodes say the Mimbari war cruisers look like and what pictures of them later look like!!! In the first episodes it's said the Mimbari "are opening their gunports." however, all subsequent pictures show the Mimbari cruisers with FIXED main and secondary forward facing guns!!!
It must be. I assume both orbit the planet and as B5 is much closer it will make quicker orbits and distance to the gate constantly changes. But perhaps it is just storywriting.
The Minbari warrior cast had no purpose outside of war. To the point they were fine with punching down against a weaker opponent and going so far as to commit genocide. Going on about honor while killing enemies weaker than them. But not willing to fight in the Shadow War. Then trying to seize power.
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Well, it can maneuver about as well as any other O'neill cylinder that weights a few billion tons. So somewhere between "pregnant lead brick" and "moon". It is easier to move the jumpgates. By so many orders of magnitude, the number has it's own magnitude.
It can move a bit. Remember nothing is stationary in space. A 'station' is essentially just a very large, very slow-moving spaceship. You need to be able to make corrections to orbits and avoid large space debris
@@JK-Visions Babylon 5 has maneuvering thrusters to adjust it's orbit around Epsilon 3. I don't remember which episode it was, but they had to use them after there was bomb explosion onboard the station. Babylon 4 also had ion engines and was able of space flight. They had much smaller budget with Babylon 5 so it had no engines, was much smaller, had weaker weaponry (even after upgrade in season 2) and less fighters
B5 is orbiting Epsilon 3 so it could be pointing any direction unless it was tidally locked. It also had manuvering thrusters to adjust its orbit, something that large in a tight orbit isn't going to want to stay there without help, just like the ISS.
"We have something major coming trough the gate" Me seeing its a sharlin:"FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU" Gotta admit tho... minbari chicks do be kinda hot tho... might try to date one
I'm surprised the show did not have more inter-spices relationships like in star trek. Or an episode in which true love sparks from minbari and human (I don't mean the delen thing), I even had an idea of a human minbari family that were not part of the war visit the station for some-reason and the culture shock of their children would make a great episode. I did make some kind of fanfiction story on this though.. Pretty bad...
The arrogance "Your name will be remembered!" - Yeah, as someone who made you Minbari take care of what basically amounts to a rogue warship, with a terrorist crew (they wanted to restart the war after all!). Hell, they went rogue after a war the Minbari started (by approaching the human ships with open gun-ports and with their scanners overpowering the human jump engines!) and that nearly turned into a genocide (at the line the humans used everything they had left, from a couple of fighter squadrons, a few remaining capital ships, to armed merchant ships! Humanity at that point had almost nothing left to give!)...so yeah, don't go around riding your high horse, Minbari! Hell, the fact that humanity gave you one hell of a fight, despite being at a disadvantage from the start? That is astonishing! Hell, give humanity say 30 more years before the Minbari show up and they'd probably have been beaten! ps: The Minbari remind me of arrogant Elfs in DnD (where they are among the most long lived species - hell, probably the most long lived except for timeless constructs like the Warforged, Dragons and of course deities and demons!)
Yes your point is excellent. JMS probably wanted to show how irrational a holy war really is. Though the humans shot first it was a misunderstanding from a gunner(See a late delivery from Avalon).
Actually, earth started the war. Ambassador Mollari warned the humans not to go to Minbari space. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone, he said. I hope in your stumbling around in the dark, you don't wake the dragon, he said.
@@hot2warm Sure humanity fired first, but what would you do if your sensors tell you that the enemy has "run out the guns" and powered them up, too while also jaming (unintentionally) your jumpdrives (the Human commander was not the best at first contact protocoll - that's why Sheridan didn't want to join that mission! - but he also wasn't a hot-head like many say! He was sure they were trying to attack and he couldn't jump, so he did the next logical thing: Open fire to try and at least get a few shots in, maybe even disable the jammer! It was a misunderstanding, sure! But with the Human captain's information at the time, I would also have fired! Hell, I might have even tried to ram the Minbari ship if I thought that my weapons were not enough!)
@@dreamingflurry2729 The humans didn't follow Mollari's advice about the "1 ship and 1 ship only." Perhaps Minbari would have responded differently to a single ship and those things would not have happened.
I am, just trying different stuff once in a while. Your the first to notice the shuffle in scenes. I usually don't do it but sometimes I find it more interesting to swap scènes a bit. But i don't do it very often;)
foi uma boa série até a gente perceber que é mais uma coisa do produtor que pega tudo das 1a. e 2a. guerra e demoniza uns e como sempre ... o padrão americano de somos os todos poderosos e estamos sempre com a razão...cansativa. valeu pela captão ivanova.
The effects were beyond cheesy and the budget was not even shoestring, but the dialog, character development, character interactions (Londo and G'kar especially), and overall story arcs, were the best in TV history (seasons 2-4).
Eh. Just look at the aliens in ST TNG, most of them just had a snickers texture on their nose/forehead. To say nothing about the horrendous cliched types, like the Irish Planet, the Scottish planet and the African planet. Compre the likes of Kira to G'Kar. Then we had Star Trek stealing the idea of organic technology aliens from the Shadows lol.
@@JK-Visions Especially seasons 1-2 of TNG.. I still like the sound design of Babylon 5 a lot, still holds up, the graphics are not up to date anymore, but for their time being they were pretty standard.
It's all copyrighted so I do not get any income. It goes to WB. And besides if I make a video and put 3-4 hours of electrical power in it and 3-4 hours of my free time I will put my channel name in it. Have a great day.
Because the show is older than you? And it was a tv show their budget per episode is way less. For that time it was amazing. To compare starcraft 1 cgi was ground breaking at its time and thats about the same period
