@@ESCalation There’s an ongoing project to recreate all of B4B’s maps in L4D2/Source that is coming along nicely Why? Cause they can, and cause it’s fun
@@ESCalation i once played a map in left 4 dead where money can be used for purchases......there's already a back 4 blood map for left 4 dead, still in beta, and map 1 only......there are also money(copper) added in the map......i commented on the creator of the map to add crows also in the game, since there are also crows from left 4 dead (from blood harvest and the sacrifice map)
Their first mistake was calling this game as “creators from l4d2” when only like 3/100 original developers were involved. False advertisement at its finest.
@@JaymzMcMullen considering that the marketing was literally 'FROM THE AWARD WINNING CREATORS OF LEFT 4 DEAD', you can't really blame them. With that marketing and releasing a zombie shooter, what else are people supposed to think?
There's no prerequisite and no grind needed to play L4D2. Simply an arcade style shooter killing hundreds of zombies while still giving you the feeling of a storyline campaign, survival or versus with simple objevtives. And with mod support and a low system requirement, it's everybody's choice.
Glad you mentioned the low system reqs cus that is facts lol that game runs wonderfully on a 2 GHz pentium cpu with intel integrated graphics lol it's great
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"It is a functioning game." Ngl nowadays this is somewhat impressive. God I miss the days where games actually launched playable even if they did take forever to release.
to be fair, it's also a problem of all the CONSOOOMERS and corrupt IGN for example. back then, internet connection was so slow, you couldn't tell people to JUUUUST download 700mb Patches. if it was trash on the CD-Rom, you were down. So they actually tested and fixed til it was a good game.
@@antfayden4559You can attribute that to the major graphical boosts that have happened since then. Most of the time people don't want to play a unique looking and stylistic game, they want to play a game that looks boringly realistic.
This basically shows that Valve is the pure definition of "Quality over quantity", because you know they want their games to be as good as they promised
i would be ok with it if the first boss you come across isnt already a giant except it is. like if they just shrunk the ogre by half its height then the reveal of the big giant worm boss monster at the end would feel climatic as is it just feels like "oh diffrent flavour of ogre" i mean its not like a giant worm boss would be so far off from a alien worm parasite,
I haven't played much of Back4Blood because none of my friends could've been bothered after the first couple of levels to keep playing. But the amount of scavanging broke my spirit after just one level. There are a ton of guns, some with rarity and random stats you have to check and compare at every corner, attachements, different items, money, specific ammo you have to share with your team. It's way too much for a game that wants you to be always in a hurry. Then there's this card system for whatever reason and maybe some stuff I don't even know about. Just to be more complex, to have more "depth", to be more replayable than the original Left4Dead. And the steam stats show how well that panned out.
Especially in a shorter session length, it just gets overwhelming, I dont need to spend at least 30 seconds looking at loot to see if its gonna be userful or not, im not playing a 20 hours Borderlands campaign, im playing a 1 hour somewhat linear zombie shooter, if the looting need more thought than "do I need this right now or do I just pass" then it puts the momentum to a pure halt.
L4D2 doesn't bog you down. You can hop in, set any fuckin map to Normal difficulty, and have a fun time. medkit, emergency meds, throwable, gun, secondary... it's simple. in B4B you need to pick a character stat ability set, then a card build, then plan your spending and conserve your trauma, manage attachments, different ammo types, your special ability...
I love when people try and tell me that "oh xyz game is better with friends." Yea like no shit its more fun to get castrated by a ham slicer if all your buddies are in the room, but that doesn't mean it's a fun experience.
@@Karanthaneos they had to, 'cause that's the only successful game that carried their studios' name, despite them clearly not earning it. It's literally the same tactic they did with Evolve.
@@Karanthaneos I also like how that one video came out showing the comparison between the 2 games and only like7-8 people from TR helped make L4D2. B4B had promise, until you decide to partner up with Warner Brother's and rush out ur product, especially in these times as that "buy it now, fix it later" mentality is very despised.
@@Hammered4u Quick correction: 7-8 people helped to make Left 4 Dead 1. Left 4 Dead 2 was entirely made by Valve so TRS didnt try to turn L4D into a microtransaction scenario (yes, they were greedy even before they made evolve, and that's one of the reasons L4D2 was made so quickly, so Valve could claim L4D series as their own, which It always was technically considering they did 96% of the First game)
This is why I just play WWZ now. Only get ammo at ammo crates The biggest thing I loved about L4D was all the zombies and most specials could be taken down very quickly which made you feel powerful, IF you had the ammo and skill to hit them before they could get to you. This trend of making enemies more bullet spongey and less realistic has driven me crazy Also the first time I played the Beta I played with bots, I jumped up on a buildings rooftop ledge and my bot companion jumped OFF the roof trying to get to me. Yeah.. It’s so sad that devs have forgotten that letting the fans mod your game makes it so EVERYONE will buy the game eventually if someone creates a mod that’s required to play. Counter strike.. DayZ mod.. Both mods sold so many game copies over the years. And sadly Evolve would’ve been a fun game and still been alive if they didn’t make the entire game a giant micro transaction
Don't forget. In left 4 dead you actually were able to fight a lot of the special infected off alone if you were skilled enough. A good slap, timed right and the hunter is dead. In here? Lmao I would be happy if that piece of shit died within 1 magazine. Also fuck trauma
@@umbreonstuff2002 A good survivor in L4D 2 is quite scary in verses,especially when he/she know where you will spawn as a special infected and kill you through the wall.
> This trend of making enemies more bullet spongey and less realistic has driven me crazy I feel like this only works in a pure survival horror type game. If you're making an arcade shooter with survival horror elements, shouldn't the enemies die rather fast? Isn't that what the "arcade" part in arcade shooter means?
L4d2 specials use ambush strategies to fight u. They will run away if they have low health or get ganged up. B4b specials are a bunch of bullet sponge enemies
@@quangthuyoan9576 Which suggests lack of AI development in B4B. In most Valve games, enemies are smart - they try to get a jump on you, play dead on the floor, coordinate their attacks. When I get pounced by Hunter and then Spitter spits on me, it feels like smart, coordinated play - and it's AI doing not, not human players.
the irony is modding probably would've kept Back4Blood relevant and helped with sales. Any issues that fans didn't like could have been fixed with mods and this would give a direct line into what the community responds to. You can't sell DLC if no one is playing your game.
The funny part of this games advertising is the fact that none of the original staff that actually worked on l4d were still with the company during b4b production.
To be fair the video game industry has huge turnover and its been 10 years. Even Valve prolly doesn't have hardly any of those employees left. This is not the gotcha comment people think it is. It just demonstrates how out of touch people are with the actual game industry.
@Brawler Or Artifact amirite? Also, L4D3 was actually significantly in development at one point and the details about it like it being an open world game were very worrying to the fanbase.
@@Ralathar44 that and steamcharts player counts. There’s still so many platforms that dont track players, like Xbone, Pissstation, Gamepass, and Epic Store. The ‘gotchas’ of playercounts is just a dull point. I actually think L4D2 on PC is so high because of PC modding, and the console playerbases are in the few thousands… but we don’t see those stats.
@@Death_is_Beauty Console is so abandoned on L4D2 that the community is actively toxic to console players. Every time they complain they just get told to get it on PC. L4D2 has a high playerbase atm completely because the community dropped a really major patch in 2020 and the game has been on sale multiple times since then for $2 so every time it loses 30% of its playerbase in a month it gets it back next sale.
Their biggest mistake is mentioning L4D, which is unavoidable. L4D was made by valve, the same people that made Half-Life and turned the FPS genre around. The same people that own Steam, that means they have an unlimited amount of budget. Now, do you think that your little indie dev team with limited budget can come close to those bastards that don't need to release a game to make millions?
When Left 4 Dead came out, Steam was not the powerhouse it was today. Valve, when making L4D, was still a rather small company with limited money. Turtlerock, when making B4B, is a company with Warner Bros. publishing it, with Tencent helping Turtlerock develop it. It's mind-boggling to think that with the support of 2 companies worth millions, Turtlerock still shit out a mediocre game where the small game company Valve was at the time, made a genre-moving FPS shooter. This is the difference between TR and Valve, TR wants money and all the original talent (except for 6-7 members) have left. Valve wants to move the bar forward, releasing gorgeous games with gorgeous storylines. When you hear Turtlerock, do you think "These people made amazing games with amazing stories!" No, you think of Left 4 Dead, then you think of EVOLVE and B4B. When you hear Valve, you think "God, they make amazing games with amazing storylines and IPs." You think of Half-Life 1/2/Alyx, Portal 1/2, Aperture Desk Job, Counter-Strike, and Left 4 Dead 1/2. (I would include TF2, but that's not rly a story game unless you read the comics, RIP.) The only reason Turtlerock is still alive, is because they're parading a dead horse on a stick. "From the Creators of Left 4 Dead." The reason Valve is still alive and talked about, is because they made loveable games with loveable characters while moving the bar forward.
They could've made it work. A budget isn't an issue when you're competing with a game from the 2000's, because the budget can be offset with the advantages of way more modern game development technology. If they were smart and actually understood the things that made L4D2 what it is, they could've improved on the formula minus the extra graphical and environmental details. Most of the issues of B4B never boil down to budget, it boils down to incompetent game design. Not to mention that the budget for L4D wasn't even that large and neither was Steam in general. Back 4 Blood just has zero excuses, it's just a mediocre game made by mediocre developers.
Too many flawed design decisions that take away from the experience. No mods, how can you compete with a decade worth of mods in the form of maps, gun skins, even conversion scripts? Even if b4b HAD mod support, it's still an uphill battle.
There issue is calling the game a successor before it even releases which should be something the community calls the game when it's proven itself worthy not the other way around, also it's not a good thing to ban modders for making mods for your game which they have done
Another terrible design choice is that god awful red glow around the specials. Wtf is that shit? It's incredibly immersion breaking and it just looks bloody stupid.
I have to say the Screamer on it's own isn't bad, it depends on how it's used, in State of Decay a similar enemy exists but it works because you have ample time to kill it, it's interrupted easily, and it's specially singled out from the other zombies
Also it’s much easier to outrun the horde in state of decay because the objectives are different. You can come back and get the loot there later. There is no need to stand and fight like in L4D but you can if you choose. Also the screamer doesn’t call that many zombies usually. Maybe 8 and they trickle in, unless you’ve got a lot already.
Literally everything about Back 4 Blood is the complete antithesis of its spiritual predecessor. Left 4 Dead 1 & 2: Protagonists are survivors trying to get to safety and often comment on their situation adding depth to their character Back 4 Blood: Uberbadass Hipster Gen Z Zombie hunters ridding the world of zombies and dropping one-liners. Left 4 Dead 1 & 2: Clearly meant to be a horror game in the first entry with arcadey, yet challenging shooter gameplay, even if part 2 shifted to a Dead Rising-inspired zombie action comedy (and succeeded, too) Back 4 Blood: Modern Military Shooter about beating the crap out of zombies. Left 4 Dead 1 & 2: Treats the monsters/special infected as special enemies with devastating attacks and unique music cues Back 4 Blood: The special infected are everywhere and are regular enemies. I could go on, and on, but I can't. What I will say is that it is clear that the Turtle Rock that worked on Left 4 Dead wound up becoming part of Valve, and it shows in Back 4 Blood as the latter is basically the kind of game made by soulless AAA developers for the lowest common denominator (aka. Gaming Generation Z as I call said lowest denominator). And don't even get me started on how it adds to the lot of action titles about badass warriors beating the crap out of zombies (barring Resident Evil 2 Remake and the Dying Light franchise). There's far more fun, fright, blood, detail and entertainment in a single campaign of Left 4 Dead 1 & 2 than there is in all of Back 4 Blood, and honestly? You're better off picking up Left 4 Dead 1 & 2 for your fix. If you want something similar, Killing Floor 1 should scratch that itch, too.
Your comment's very biased though. The left 4 dead 1 and 2 protagonists also drop one-liners. The back 4 blood protagonists are also on a mission, fighting for the safety of their home, rescuing other survivors and finding a way to eliminate the zombies permanently. So what defines horror in your perspective? Jumpscares? There's the sleepers, who pounce on you if you're caught unaware, kinda like hunters. The charger/tallboy smashing you into the ground? The zombies from both games who swarm you but can be dealt with the use of pipebombs? What exactly is different in that back 4 blood is not arcadey, yet challenging shooter gameplay? Your 3rd comment doesn't make alot of sense, special infected are special enemies, when are they regular enemies in back 4 blood? What does that even mean? They're tougher to kill, do more damage, and don't spawn as frequently as regular zombies. You could go on but you can't because your points are all just heavily biased and false trying to find faults where there are none. Yes the game definitely has issues, but not in the areas you mentioned.
@@bluenicholasbf2142 Horror is defined as fear toward an entity or an object. In L4D, the fear is brought up by the grim atmosphere in the background or the devastating sceneries surrounding them. In B4B, fear isn't really experienced properly since the game took a comedic undertone and instead it is annoying since every successful horror films out there can assure that horror≠constant fear. It needs build up, like how L4D had music cues before infected actions to indicate their presence, subconciously making the survivors take a big fat look around their surroundings. This is horror, making the players acknowledge that it indeed is something to fear. Hearing the tank spawn when all your team is at low HP would spike your heart rate up. And in B4B, no such fear is ingrained in the players. When fears are constant, it becomes utterly annoying. That's why sleep paralysis is scary; because it doesn't happen often. There's no build up in B4B because it can't. B4B is more or less just a brainless zombie shooter. Because the zombies are not really much of a threat. B4B is s good game with a great potential. Unfortunately, the game is unsophisticated and doesn't really live up to the idea of "From the creators of L4D". Also, even Evolve is a good game with a great potential. Who knows, it might become a new Evolve under Turtle Rock Studio's belt. With how the game is progressing, I wouldn't be surprised. Also, L4D may have one liners but this is acceptable because the characters themselves have personalities. Nick's sentence at the end of the intro is an example of it. It sells his character of being a prideful man. And the characters have personalities you would believe in RL and that they would talk to each other or about their surroundings is a great plus which is one of the major flaws in B4B as their characters have no depth but rather a description about themselves and that's it.
@@bluenicholasbf2142 As if your points arent also heavily biased lol. The survivors in the L4d games drop one liners but you know what sets them apart from those awful b4b cleaners? They have personality, they feel fear when the situations are dire and don't swarm the player with unfunny one liners. I could get with you calling the other commenter biased if you also weren't heavily biased yourself lmao.
Why are yall treating a game likes its left 4 dead when it's just not that at all that's the biggest problem Just because the same company made the game doesn't mean jack diddly
Back 4 Blood is a golden example that using an established formula but updating visual presentation means nothing when the game has no soul. There was no tension, dread, or sense of uncertainty. When I played the beta with some mates, the big boss next to the tunnel did not put me in the “oh shit” mindset as a Tank or Witch did.
They never used an established formula. They saw the established formula but never followed it. A l4d with improved graphics/audio and also pushes its new engine's limits would have been better. WWZ was almost as good as l4d but they fucked up with choosing TPS and limiting modding.
Yeah, and magdumping in that game feels far better when you see the horde die from your bullets instead of eating half a mag each and coming back for more. Even on the highest difficulty they just take maybe a extra shot each and just do more damage and are more numerous instead of being bullet sponges
@@ironboy3245 WWZ does it well by making them numerous and belligerent, rather than a sparse fart of tanky shits. WWZ is a fucking tidal wave of flesh dying to you dumping a box magazine into it. B4B has stiff rubber suits flopping back.
I just wish WWZ was an FPS instead. I do like what it did to expand on the l4d base in a much better way then B4B did. Taking the large hordes, cranking it up to 13 with how huge they get, and I did like the defense sections a lot actually.
I was one of the people that played the Open Beta and was really happy and liking what I was seeing. I was hopeful that the issues that my friends and I encountered would be ironed out after it launched. From the beginning, I was expecting it to be a spiritual successor rather than a straight up rehashing of L4D's formula 1-1, so I was never monumentally disappointed like many people were. But now, I am quite disappointed with the direction they've been taking the game since it's launch. For example, instead of developing the characters that already exist, they pulled an Overwatch and just kept adding more characters with their own gimmicks.
I adore L4D with its simplicity. It is what makes its gameplay works. No need weapon tiers, attachments, deck building, etc. You can simply hop into L4D and play without too much worries that you're missing on guides or tier lists. It's not that gameplay mechanics that make players have to keep up on their toes are bad, it's that if there are too much of it, it becomes a major hindrance to the overall enjoyment.
I think the ‘L4D devs’ marketing threw you for a loop, with you thinking it would carry over in simplicity. L4D is simple only because they never focused on features, they only focused on it being robust, which is a bygone era of game development.
That's why I found l4d to have less replayability, once you've run the campaign once or twice you've done it all. B4B allows you to explore different roles and many ways to play the game with a different style and characters actually have uniqueness to them through passives giving extra layers of synergy. But different strokes for different folks.
@@jackdanila9893 the campagins are fing borind in left 4 dead 2. I got 45 hours on it, recently pick up back 4 blood with my bro and we're having a blast. The possbility with classes, card decks, weapons + addons for them.
19:22 you can actually do that in l4d2 with a bit of coding and sourcemod. I run my server that lets you unpack and redeploy minigun and turret at will
Just after the video of Valve carrying Left 4 Dead I had a renewed interest for the game and have playing it quite frequently since then. I started by replaying all the campaigns, and it was a really enjoyable experience. Then I turned to the mods and found a ton of great stuff, including campaigns recreating the original Resident evil games, and even a campaign set in Buenos Aires, which was both hilarious and amazing. Bless the modding community.
@OddestWanderer it's very well done. There are a couple little moments where I got kinda lost because the path was a little bit too hidden for me, but nothing that would detract from the experience. Also one little bit when playing alone where the bots just wouldn't follow me properly and got killed with them just standing instead of climbing a ladder, only happened once, but it's a place I know specials tend to spawn around. It also has one moment with a branching path, that would take you to completely different places right before the final act, and it was quite surprising, so it has very good replayability. Absolutely recommended.
I 100% agree the game is disappointing. I was lucky enough to get to play the open Beta before launch and whilst playing it just felt so life less (No pun intended) and empty. It may have taken many of left 4 dead's mechanics and idea's but nothing felt as though it had any real heart in it. I didn't even end up getting the full title. Not say it was bad but it just kind of felt bland and that's not something I really felt like spending money on for full price.
@@fxnr1r don't insult evolve like that. At least evolve had a unique asymmetrical combat premise. Literally all they had to do was copy paste L4D2 with some modernization and some new features and we would have made this thing blow the fuck up. But they somehow fucked up the easiest cash grab in history by sheer incompetence
@@ironboy3245 lets be honest. Evolve was pay to play. The full game with everything is more than 100usd. Evolve was a good concept but the game itself is a flop. We might aswell just have to hope Valve and Turtlerock become one like they used to. But Im not keeping my hopes up.
it genuinely feels like a crude draft of what L4D used to be back in 2008, left in the sun to dry up then pumped full with the "modern gaming practices" juice to make this bloated yet shallow disgrace marketed as the successor to L4D. I tried to like this game, I really wanted to like it, it had ALL the potential to be good, yet they simply learned nothing from L4D's core mechanics and design choices. And for the people hoping that they will "handle it better" from now on, they started off strong by killing off the speedrunning community with some downright disgusting changes to character acceleration, nerfing a lot of mobility cards JUST because people were speedrunning the game, instead of using clever design to stop people from wondering off alone (since specials are dumb bullet sponges that only do unavoidable damage, seriously only like 3 pinners out of 9 zombies?)
@@ESCalation Crowbcat's video didnt even want to Tell why the game sucked, It mostly wanted to show the truth about B4B's development and why Turtle Rock Studios were never as great as they say, while also proving that Valve did way more to left 4 Dead than Just "support them with money" like many people throught over the years.
@@ESCalation no, it just pits the things that were a priority in L4D/2 vs things that were of subpar importance in B4B. B4B had more maps, more map mechanics, more map interactions, etc. Comparing an apple to an orange just points out how the apple doesn’t have citrus… Crowbcat just used B4B’s marketing against them and rightfully so, but take that marketing loophole away, and is there any valid criticism? Yes, but once again it’s apples to oranges. L4D was from a different era, ALL devs have fallen from grace. Dice… CD Project Red… Blizzard… we are in the ‘next gen’ of gaming, so the old shit that flew don’t fly no more. It’s all about player retention and cosmetics. Thank god players got their shit together and banded to boycott NFTs, else we risk a lootbox 2.0 situation that would plague the industry…
I remember months ago that I kept telling people that this game was going to bomb and they all laughed at me like I’m some sort of angry L4D boomer. If they would have at least added mod support this game would have been somewhat alive. God I love being proven right.
I felt that the game wont do all to well after seeing the first gameplay. It looked so... generic. Like somebody took CoD gameplay and tried to make it work with L4D mechanics while sprinkling looter shooter into the whole mix for unknown reasons. Honestly the game would have done better if it went the GTFO route and gone into a more slow and tactical experience. Hell pretty sure you could make it that way by tweaking a couple mechanics here and there.
I did not know that Back 4 Blood was going for the CSO-like campaign model. I mean, after seeing the bosses and special AI (yet somehow it manages to be more buggy); I don't know where they are going with this.
The game is still just a one time purchase price + season pass. That's as straightforwards as it gets. No microtransactions, no bullshit. There is a straight up disinformation campaign against the game. And it doesn't need one, it has some problems of its own. It's fucking weird.
The Cleaners could’ve been called “The Janitors” They could’ve make the Mutated much more of “My skin cells is growing” instead of resident evil bosses Attachments can be detached and give it to your survivor teammates The big zombie ridden thing (or whatever it’s called) could been remove and replace with “re-writed breaker” Breaker is some kind of Tank Mutated have health very balancing (like most of mutated is almost same health as normal ridden except of Tallboys and Breakers) The card system is kinda meh but it’s not that “bad” from my view Remove the goddamn copper, it’s so fucking grindy. Like I know there are trading system or something but in a fucking apocalypse? Shitass, in backroom wiki, you can eat for free for survival at camps (as long you don’t waste resources), you can share weapons to defend each other, while trading is like random shit (2 planks for a jar) and not [Ended tape because it’s getting political] Edit: this is what could have they done, the thing like “Breaker is like Tank” is an idea, not in-game opinions, also I’m bad English, sorry
The fact that there's still people out there, keep Defending and say "You're just a hater", "Left 4 Dead is Worse" "Card system is fun" or "Left 4 Dead is just boring", Damn Fanboys are the worst
I was just talking about how loads of those same people were claiming that it wasn't trying to copy L4D, which is just ludicrous at face value. People went nuts while trying to defend this game.
While I admit that L4D is significantly better due to the stupid amount of stuff you can add to the game on pc and its general simplicity, b4b is still quite a fun experience for those who like a challenge like myself. The card system is not all that bad either, considering you can make alot of different builds but limited to 16 I think.
they said it was made by the same developers. but only eight out of the developers of l4d2 worked on b4b. Also valve developers outnumbered the turtlerock developers. False marketing :L The screamer was in state of decay and its the most anoying special infected. Will you make a video about the retro game site where you can play snes and all in between to ps1 games on the web? Great video!
"Sooner or later the dwindling fanbase will let this game slowly starve." You are correct. Even on reddit, where the most die-hard B4B fans absolutely shit on anyone who slightly criticizes anything in B4B, some of the fans are already complaining that "there's nothing to do anymore" having unlocked all the cards and skins they wanted. Ever hear that from L4D fans? Nope.
That's because this Skinner box style of leveling up and unlocks have ruined gaming. L4D didn't have any unlocks, you just played it for fun. So many players have developed an addiction to needing constant external validation in games in order to enjoy them. They need xp, unlocks, rewards, etc.
@@aaronesquivel1504 yeah but b4b couldve had soooo much potential it couldve been a modern version of L4d but its “modernized” in the wrong way TR should just stop putting “from the creators of left 4 dead” in their future games It’s embarrassing and i heard that valve actually did most of the work in L4d (not sure about this one) and most of the creators who actually worked on L4d are probably long gone
"...but basically everything is fun to play with friends." That's correct. Before playing Left 4 Dead, I used to play the "Asia Grinder" that you mentioned. I played that game with my friends and it was fun, until the game starts to be stale due to balancing issues and we agreed to quit. Also, at 11:47, I would uninstall B4B atm and stick back to L4D2 if I ever buy this game (thankfully I don't)
They definitely over hyped this game. They used the l4d name to boost this and that was a mistake. This game can never be compared. There was so much potential, but under delivered big time.
Playing L4D at high difficulty you have to really work as a team. I have fond memories with my friends holding on and doing serious tactics just to get through all the levels. L4D1 we finished in a day all campaigns on expert, but it was tough as fuck.
World War Z is a more worthy successor to Left 4 Dead. That game was made with more passion and effort. I was interested in playing Back 4 Blood, but after seeing the problems with it, it just wasn't worth it anymore.
When some L4D *inspired* game from 2019 is more faithful to L4D than the people that HELPED in creating L4D But really, WWZ managed to hit most of the marks that L4D did like its arsenal of weapons that DO NOT have rarities (like common, uncommon, other BS), no complicated health trauma system, no adding attachments in the middle of the match, and the noises special infected make. But it also expands on L4D like its mongolian hordes of zombies washing over buildings, streets, over wreckages and so on, heavy weapons which are one time use WMDs against said zombies, and a progression and perk system that isn't mixing and mashing cards but instead picking a set of 9 perks (1 per column of 3 perks to pick) for each class which paves a way to play within a playstyle like an explosive ammo fixer or a masking gas fixer. Although WWZ is imperfect with its characters and such, I only care about the gameplay, and hot damn does it deliver gameplay through mag dumping into a sea of bloodthirsty zombies and skeet shooting lurkers (WWZ's hunters that hide in corners)
The biggest problems are: *Difficulty. Which was waaaaay too high even for L4D veterans I know in the first months. It scared off a lot of players. *Lack of an offline solo campaign mode in the first months. *The fact you really really have to depend on team playing and people give up after round 1 and the fun gets sucked out. *The developers try to create a niche product but fail misserable. If I see, say, FromSoftware I know from scratch I will have a really really hard time from A to Z. Same applies for Capcom fighting games. I will not be done in 10 hours and I will lose a ton of games in the process. And I will need tons of patience and planning. They failed. Big time. Will be F2P by next year like EVOLVE.
One thing I rarely see mentioned too is the taser/Evangelo passive, where they can brake you out of a grab/pin/incapacitation almost instantly with relatively no cost (one is purchasable in the shops the other is on a like 30 sec cooldown). Left 4 Dead, PURPOSEFULLY AVOIDED THIS SHIT to force people to stick as a team instead of going solo. Of course people are gonna be able to speedrun in pubs when there's literally an item to prevent them from dying due to their selfishness. What's the point of teammates when I can do it myself ? What's the point of sticking up to prevent specials from doing much damage when you can just drop your "No U" uno card on them and kill them. Why bother to be with 3 other players ?
It's an ability with a 60 second cool down. If one player on Evangelo decides to run through the map, there's a greater chance his team mates wont survive, especially if they're not good players which means the rewards at the end of the map will be less and in the 120 hours I've now had in public games, I've seen one guy doing that. Towards the end of my time in Left4Dead2 however, the amount of games where someone joined and team killed everyone before starting a vote to kick someone else then leaving only to rejoin and do the same again, well, it just became pointless. Speedrunning L4D was literally a thing before B4B was even thought about. That's how me and a few friends used to play the game after playing for hundreds of hours, the only challenge left was seeing how fast you could go from one safe room to the next. The PVE in Left4Dead games is easy on every level.
You clearly haven't seen people solo left 4 dead, if you did you wouldn't make such a comparison, since even though left 4 dead 'purposefully avoided this shit' people can still solo the game by bunny hopping across the map.
@@bluenicholasbf2142 Due to how fragile most L4D infected are, you still can progress in solo, but it would require rather high awareness and precision. B4B went in wrong direction with interface - when you have health bar of some boss enemy, they stop being scary and become simply annoying. While in L4D, when you encounter Tank, one always remains scary, as you are always guessing, how much shots one will take before falling down.
@@ceu160193 In B4B, there are certain mutations in every map, some of which include 'lights out' where the map is darker, or 'fog' where the map has a haze, all of which make it much harder to see enemies, especially sleepers on walls, so that too requires very high awareness and precision, to be able to react and shoot the sleeper before it pounces on you. Sure stun gun or the breakout ability can give you one free escape, but it's a one time use or has a one minute cooldown for evangelo/the card, so you can't exactly keep repeating the same mistake over and over again anyway. I get your point on healthbar on a boss, but the word 'annoying' doesn't really fit it. People get annoyed, when something doesn't go the way their way even if they do things correctly; in the case of games like L4D and B4B, maybe you accidentally trigger the alarm while you were shooting at something else, or a special infected still pounces on you even though you did seemingly avoid it. So saying that you can now see the enemy's health is 'annoying' doesn't make any sense at all. Less intimidating / more predictable would be a more appropriate term for what you're trying to say. If you play L4D enough, you can get a relatively good gauge on when a tank is going to die, with or without a healthbar. I wouldn't call myself a expert player, but I find tanks in L4D somewhat easier to deal with than the bosses in B4B anyway, especially on higher difficulties. The tank has very predictable attack patterns, it's not too hard to dodge the rocks it throws at you. Whereas the breaker (closest boss to the tank), feels more intimidating and scary especially when they jump at you and that jump is more difficult to avoid.
The game primarily focuses ridden spawns and attacks on the person closest to the end safe room. As a result speed running Evangelo will get caught by everything first, unless they can directly dodge hocker spits and crusher grabs reliably, (crushers certainly can be but hockers and stalkers are a bit tougher). This does usually happen, then the speed runner claims everyone else was shit and the remainder continue to play as a team and enjoy themselves :P
I liked the card system to a degree when I played the beta as it added variety but I was quickly concerned with balance, you have all these factors at play that are randomized; the tier of your weapon, the attachments you find for them, the cards you find/the random selection you get to choose from, while it in theory adds replayability, it makes the game a lot harder to balance because each run you're going to be stronger/weaker in certain things, if you look at something like L4D, you know exactly how much health you're gonna have, once you've played for a while you'll know the ammo capacity and the damage of the guns, how much damage the infected do to you and how quick they are to kill etc etc, it's all very obvious, you quickly learn your limits (for example, everyone remembers a well placed shotty to the back of a witches head oneshots it) and there's no factors interfering with your stats, your guns stats or the zombies stats which in turn makes balancing very easy, now I'm not saying it would be impossible for B4B to be balanced but it'd be a lot harder because of those factors (and it was shown with the harder difficulties being too hard) and I think the main way they combated this is with the special ridden being bullet sponges with weak spots as it essentially shifts the blame to the player "ah this ridden isn't poorly balanced, you just need to get good and hit the glowy spot" it's basically a cop out because they can both under tune the health and just call it a "weak spot" whilst simultaneously over tuning the health to cover all bases and not have to balance it. Also wasn't a fan of each special ridden having multiple types, on paper it's nice to have more variety but comparing them to the designs of the special infected in L4D, you knew and learned pretty quickly from sight and sound what each special infected was and did, now maybe I haven't played B4B enough to give it credit or to distinguish them but I struggled to tell which one is which for pretty much all of them the entire time I played and for a while when I started playing I didn't even realise there was multiple types for each one, I just thought they had multiple attacks or something. I hated the big boss enemies, lumbering bullet sponges that didn't incite any sort of fear, the pacing with the design is just really off, that's what made the tank from L4D so memorable, it's still a big beefy intimidating looking thing, but it's small enough that it moves threateningly and not cumbersome with incredibly telegraphed attacks and you weren't just out ranging him or sitting in a doorway laughing at him because the tank could get just about anywhere and pummel your ass into the dirt, this game lacked a LOT of tension for me, even the basic zombies just didn't feel particularly threatening or scary, I think the ultimate irony is at the end of it all I really did feel like a Cleaner, like I was working a 9-5 as a janitor just sweeping up zombies and the weird flesh bulbs they leave around the place, none of it really felt memorable or stood out or made me want to experience it again which is something L4D managed to do with less customization, loot, special infected, bosses and random elements. Last edit: The flashlight! I had to come back after hearing you mention it because it was a big gripe I had at the time, what people probably can't put their finger on or don't realise whilst playing B4B is that having control over your flashlight is a massive, MASSIVE atmosphere changer especially if you put the player in scenarios where it's either beneficial or necessary to turn it off because it then presents to them the decision of proceeding and potentially screwing something up (like the witches in L4D) or essentially giving up their means of vision, it also allows muzzle flash to provide low level light in darkened fire fights which REALLY adds to the atmosphere, having a flashlight that automatically turns on in the dark and can't be turned off is genuinely the most pointless shit ever, it's completely missing the point of adding dark areas to begin with, and that's tension and atmosphere but no, we need to be handheld like babies and have our little night light turned on for us so we don't accidentally get scared in the dark.
I can tell that was some serious good time you guys having at 10:46 Playing L4D with some buds who can laugh over their misfortune is a freaking bliss.
The biggest fault B4B has in my opinion is the fact that the game feels really dull like the Characters being this edgy personality Wise like this Need for Speed bs or Battlefield 2042 while in L4D the characters felt real because they had more depth to them like Francis showing signs of Island Phobia (I hope i remember it correctly) and with him hinting on it in a different way every time and one of the characters reacting to it in their own way while not being edgy which just gave this whole conversation so much more life. There are dozens of things were L4D is just way way better but even viewing B4B on its own shows how it unterperforms as nothing in this game feels like it matters or has any depth to it. and considering that it is a newer game with worse AI for the Crew and the Zombies, it just makes the whole game really boring in my eyes. Also The Fox Francis is a Mod i would pay for instead for B4B, probably even more Money than if i were to buy B4B
The best part, absolute best part of that final boss was my shotgun deck i was using being made completely useless because they didnt give us a single shotgun at the start of that mission. Three times in a row we reset trying to get weapons that fit our loadouts. A single mission ago we had the perfect loadouts. I had my shotgun and desert eagle built exactly how i wanted them to be and then this act decided to take them all away again just like every other act did. Except this act is just one damn mission against a bullet sponge boss with weapons you dont get to decide to pass on. Imagine a game like Diablo, where you level your wizard throughout the game and then you reach the final boss. They take away your super powerful staff, and then give you a battle axe and say go kill Diablo.
Honestly with all the criticisms, I've been thoroughly enjoying this game. I have my nitpicks or opinions about it just like anyone would, but overall id say its a pretty fun game. Sure its not L4D but its still a uniquely fun game IMO
Yeah, it's got a lot wrong with it but I can still have a lot of fun. I hope a lot of the issues mentioned are fixed, and the developers seem very willing to listen to the community (at least I hope they are) and are actively working on patching a lot of stuff.
Most people, myself included, aren't mad because the game is bad. They are mad that the game could've absolutely been good, if only it learned ANYTHING from L4D. All of the boasting, from the developers of L4D, it was all in vain. It feels like a massive slap in the face of the community. And the community surely fought back, 3K players concurrent brought B4B back 2 the grave.
@@purblepanda3439 also if you think they're willing to listen to the community, they are not. Absolutely not. They added character acceleration and nerfed a lot of mobility cards simply because speedrunners were having fun with the game. Even normal players found these changes to be in poor taste. After the backlash they simply did not care, plus they sold out to Tencent to the detriment of their playerbase. The way they handled and are handling this game is very much reminiscent of Evlove, and we all know how that turned out. I do not mean to be rude, but please reevaluate your trust in this company; the same company that pretty much lied backhandedly all this time.
@@pantommy Actually, a lot of players were complaining about "speedrunners" running ahead of their team at every level, getting incapped, then instantly leaving and doing the same shit the next game. Since then, they nerfed the speed cards and proceeded to buff every other card, the buffs are nice and the community is having lots of fun, but i'm sure that they could have handled it in a different way other than ruining the game for the speedrunning trolls and the legit speedrunners at the same time.
@@bornrhapsody8016 even so, what's stopping them from running ahead? Dickheads will always do that, it's what you risk when playing with randoms. The same issue is present in L4D, only that you can easily restart a level if a dickhead gets himself killed, or you can kick him before he gets killed. I get the card balance, but the character acceleration is absolutely horrible and makes the game's movement feel unresponsive and clunky. It's not only that, but the way they responded to it was very bad, putting up this facade of "we will deal with it eventually" while ignoring every complaint.
personally with how hard the marketing purposly pushed people to see B4B as L4D3 it makes the game itself just feel like a less polished L4D1, as if somone like EA or Sony tried to cash in on the popularity of L4D and tried making a game in a similar style but still made it like a standard zombie shooter, like if they took the concept of L4D and the gameplay of COD Black Ops zombies and just put them together without trying to blend them
Friendly reminder that Steam numbers are not a good way to look at back 4 bloods player count, the huge majority play via Xbox Gamepass on the PC Microsoft store
@@warmpereer65 It's more into classic "zombie horror" genre though, as there are no really "special" zombies, limited interface(you have to manually pull clip out of gun for your character to say, how many bullets are there), limited weight capacity(can't carry whole arsenal), complicated healing(no health indicator, you can only guess, how close your character is to death), and some strange mechanics(you can kill yourself there to avoid turning into zombie, if you have a gun).
the screamer being put int b4b while getting cut from l4d and how both were implemented/conceptualized in the first place goes to show how much more the l4d team understood good game design, even IF they had put it in the game it allows the player to kill it before it alerts the horde, in b4b the ONLY option is to avoid it like the plague, which is the polar opposite of l4d's idea of the same zombie.
thats not the only option tho lol. you can kill them with a grenade or if you have a strong enough sniper. unless if theres a corruption card that makes it so every "screamer" calls a horde. it's not even that hard to lure the screamer to another spot and them your team can run past it lol.
I lost interest when I saw a gameplay video in December 2020, I said then "Unless they recognise the success of Evolve this game will be a failure." and I guess they didn't. Left 4 Dead was a survival horror where everything was meant to be realistic (to an extent), where you could die at any time, where literally the only objective was to survive. I remember feeling my heart rate increase when about to complete a campaign on expert. I didn't particularly like the more casual unrealistic left 4 Dead 2 though, it was more of a fun coop shooter. But this, this just looks like a cartoony console casual coop shooter with no substance, I haven't played it and probably won't unless it goes free. Which is sad because I was one of the biggest fans of Left 4 Dead, played it for maybe 700 - 1000 hours and 2 for around 250. Ultimately it just looks like Evolve and the casual Left 4 Dead 2 don't care about survival horror crowds put together.
@@MrSneaksful Success as in measurable amount, which was none. The game was a complete failure. The they didn't realise the reasons why it was a failure, and made the same mistakes with Back 4 Blood.
The thing about the special infected no being so special anymore is one of the most annoying things in B4B. Dude, you kill one big fellow with a long arm and there's already like 3 of the same mfer behind him, it's just seems like a scam and not actually a real challenge
Playing the beta told me everything I needed to know about this game. It was boring, repetitive and overhyped. The lack of mod support because they wanted the game to be a live service model and pump microtransactions, loot boxes, and overpriced DLC onto the player base is greedy and sad. The fact Back 4 Blood released 12 years after Left 4 Dead 2 and somehow feels like a downgrade in every possible way really goes to show you how far gaming has fallen. Also, with how few people are playing this game (2,900), how long will it be until the devs/publishers call it quits and shut down the servers? You would have thought they would have reduced the price, but even with an almost non-existent player base, the game is still £50/€60/$70, and they're still selling a season pass that is nearly as expensive as the game itself. The Tunnels of Terror expansion releases on April 12th (6 months after the game's release lol), but reading the discussion page for it, it is just full of people roasting the devs 😂🤣💀
1. Game doesnt have lootboxes. 2. Steamcharts does not reflect other platforms (Xbone, Pissstation, Game Pass, Epic Games Store). Just another mindless hater echoing biases because they cant think for themself 🙄🙄
@@Death_is_Beauty it's honestly a waste of a slot for other games on gamepass. They should get rid of this dogshit and bring back Yakuza 0, K1 and K2. Or actually good games. No one who has gamepass will play this game for more than 2 weeks.
You call it repetitive but say l4d is better? It's objectively less repetitive than past iterations of the game given the card system actually changes the gameplay.
@@LouSipher i think what he's trying to say is its a slog whenever you get your ass kicked and have to get your cards again and hope you spawn with decent weapons. Maybe thats the repetition they're referring to, but if not, that's how I feel.
I just hated the game so much. I started the game and literally died in the first lobby before even going through the first door. I didn't know what I was doing, it was too complicated. And the first level on normal difficulty was a struggle to get through as I was trying to learn the controls. Then when I went on my own, I realized I wasn't getting any cards. I dropped the game so hard.
I fully agree. A game should be judged by itself. You don't have to copy everything of your idol, but at the same time they also kind of put themselves into this position: "from the creators of L4D" That marketing stunt backfired quite a bit (and rightfully so IMO). I felt similar before, even before watching Crowbcat's video a few weeks ago, but mostly because they pulled the same marketing with Evolved (and we all know how that thing "evolved" into a stinker).
They copied Left 4 Dead's idea, Call of Duty's gunplay and zombies, Doom's ugly generic demon mutants, YuGiOh's RNG decks, Sonic Heroes method of recycling levels, Bioshock's bulletsponge enemies, the Witcher 3's loot exploring which was meant for a 1 person not 4 person coop game, Counter Strike's gun and supply buying, soon probly their previous masterpiece Evolve's expensive sorry excuse for DLC and customization. (and worst of all McDonalds workers for survivor characters) XD How can people not compare Back 4 Money to other games? Whats "unique" about it? Everything in this game has already been done, and having the audacity to ask 60+100+ possibly 200 euro for DLC soon, doesnt make things better.
I still can't believe, when this game launched, the amount of people in all the comments sections feverishly arguing that it had nothing to do with l4d, and they weren't trying to copy L4D, with arguments like, "you cant just say its copying because you shoot zombies, because 100s of. Games do that". Just no. It's a direct 1 for 1 (albeit inferior) copy of left4dead, with the dev team claiming they had worked on it previously. It was crazy watching these people die on that hill. Still makes no sense.
I lost my interest the moment they deconfirmed no mod support at E3. I actually wasted my time playing the game with a couple of buddies on game pass. The final act of the game is so underwhelming that we all ended up dropping the game completely after we beat it. We have no desire to play the DLC.
It's hard when all the advertisement says "from the Creators of Left for Dead" you're just setting yourself to be compared. And people will expect that same quility.
@@RavenKStudios would you consider a review for the Balttlefield series credible if all the reviewer does is compare it to Call of Duty or Medal of Honor? Hopefully you're not that silly. & getting mad at a indie game studio for doing/saying the most to get eyes on a new project is just low.
I played this game. I PLAYED THE HELL OUT OF THIS GAME and I hate it. At first launch, the deck building was amazing. You could make any quarky build you wanted and it would work on all difficulties. Then they patched and "Balanced" the cards. First and foremost, why the hell are you balancing a PvE game. If you balance the cards, balance your God damn bullet sponges instead. Turtle Rock literally took any semblance of fun out of the game because they hate having fun.
@@jguaz4488 I'd agree with you, If it were not for the fact that the Actual game has a Speed Runner Objective, so Clearly you aren't playing the game correctly.
@@teerong2285 bro what are you on about? The 15 min timer? You don’t need to speed run to complete that obj. I’ve completed it with randoms so many times.
22:20: "The Unreal Engine is one of the best engines for modding." Is that true? I always heard Unreal games were always hard to decompile and access the files of.
For me, B4B didn’t appeal because of the characters. L4D2 had very memorable characters and infected. Also, L4D2 was ahead of it’s time while B4B is pretty meh and stale.
The problem I've notices was that in B4B they're on the offensive, they're taking back the world, and are far more prepared. L4D characters are survivors, they're running away, and that changes the tone completely. Watching the trailers you realize how L4D is a homage to traditional horror movies, while B4B feels more like Zombieland. Nothing wrong with that, but it does shift the experience and character dynamic.
For me, L4D2 didn’t appeal because of the characters. L4D had very memorable characters and infected. Also, L4D was ahead of it’s time while L4D2 is pretty meh and stale FTFY ;-)
I got this thought, when you were talking about the "parasite" thingy for a bit: "What was this Tank originally? A bodybuilder, perhaps! What was this Ogre originally? Umm...?"
Original I was thinking about buying the game once they have added the offline progression, which has happened by now, but my interest of the game has since then vanished. One thing I also dislike, is that they didn't use the background story to its full extend. With parasites being the reason for the zombies, they could have been so much more creative with the enemy design, with giving the zombies more insectoid characteristics, like chitin armor, mandibles, spider limbs or half human-half insect mosntrosities, like in the The Fly movie. As it is now, it could be just a regular virus and nothing would change.
so the way it affects gameplay is just hp and damage, but as the infected go from regular to ferocious to monstrous they do change in appearance. Commons have weird tentacles spiralling around their head a bit and weird spikes coming out to indicate they are monstrous and do more damage. The specials have similar modifications to their models to indicate monstrous over regular etc, it's just decals though with them in some areas but on their heads they'll glow red and have small tentacles wiggling about from their skull, it's not quite what you're after but it's not entirely absent either :)
8:52 "So what's the point of finding epic loot and throwing it 10 mins after finding it for which you just found a gun with more ammo?" *worried laughter in No More Room in Hell*
l4d2 is WAY more fun than b4b, l4d doesnt even have unlocks, yet I can still come back time after time and have fun playing the same campaign I already played 100s of times, yet I dont really feel much reason to actually play b4b, it just feels boring
A couple reviewers complained that the common zombies are too easy to put down, like they drop with 1 bullet and makes it too easy/ less impactful In *After the Fall* (VR), many of the common zombies have thick armor plating protecting parts of their body. If you shoot their leg off they keep crawling after you. This makes common zombies considerably more work to put down.
I can't over how overwhelming the aiming system is. I aim for a weak spot and the aiming assist takes control going for the torso. I have to completely remove the aim assist and even then it feels so slow.
6:50 I mean left 4 dead 2 was entirely set in the American South so it was believable for there to be sizable portions of guns and ammunition. The big difference though is that it felt natural and not like loot boxes. Plus ammo wasn't as easy to come by and didn't pop out of zombies.
I was about to get exited on B4B back then until I heard the card system and the looting system makes my day Disappointed like a Blackmesa cascade incident shit was unexpected as fuck
I did one playthrough by myself, in the cargo containers mission, 2/3 of the AI randomly wandered off the edge and died instantly. Not downed, died. No idea why they pathed off the edge. Then, the game didn't count me completing the first act, so I didn't unlock the other 4 survivors. Lastly I played through the entire game without having to restart, until the last mission, which I had to restart probably 15 times, followed by 5 more times on the epilogue. Never touched the game again.
The most safest thing they could’ve done is port L4D2 to next generation hardware and I would say…release it for PlayStation hardware as well. Well on Valve’s part of course Don’t know how that would be but…would likely be better then what we got for B4B
It’s pretty easy if you have the right deck. Just need speed and grenade build and you can solo it. One thing i notice is everyone is trying to use T5 grenades which isn’t necessary, carry pipe bomb to slow down the ridden and use T5 after your pipe bomb are gone.
People hate B4B because: 1. It's too expensive 2. No campaign versus (confirmed by Turtle Rock Studios) 3. The Swarm Mode sucks 4. It's too boring to play 5. It's not fun without addons and mods like custom maps, custom weapons, custom characters, etc.
"I know this takes place in America..." Yeah, but imagine life in a zombie apocalypse even in America. Loot crates scattered around every building? Highly unlikely. Left 4 Dead had a significantly more realistic depiction of life: Anybody you do find that has guns is probably going to be locked up inside their house with 50 different guns and enough ammo to fire said guns for 40 days and 40 nights nonstop. It really just seems like every fundamental aspect that made Left 4 Dead so good was completely thrown out the window. I don't know if this was from the developers themselves or if this was something that like... they had a publisher demand that they include due to the popularity of Fortnite among kids, but it just comes across as a pathetic excuse to pander to the age group that Left 4 Dead was popular with when that game came out. Like instead of making a game that finds an audience because the game was good, they targeted what 13 year old kids today were interested in thinking that they could somehow ride another wave of success via the 13 year old age group that Left 4 Dead was so popular with.
The issue you have with ammunition shortage is easily worked around, and it’s also not being done justice here. The reason you or other players are experiencing the lack of ammo is simple, if everyone runs around using Rifles, then the team will run out of rifle ammo, it’s that simple. It encourages team work to spread out the use of different guns within the team, as they all have a different purpose. Shotguns deal stumble damage, countering Reekers etc in close quarters, SMG and Melee clears hordes, Rifles do damage, while Snipers mainly deal Weakspot damage and more effective range (this is generalisation). Also, players that use their primary gun on commons will find they have less ammo to deal with hordes and special infected, again, this is easily worked around by simply using your secondary until then. The reason you are finding that specials require a lot of bullets, is because players are wasting ammo on them with guns that don’t do damage (SMG) if you don’t have a player specialising in weakspot damage (Jim) which he alone with Patient Hunter and Hyper Focused (2 cards you can play in the first round of any act), can literally half the life or kill any tallboy by himself, thus not wasting ammo from other players and making this a non issue. Ammo is an ecosystem in this game, and there are more of them, with Damage, Weakspot damage, Speed, Upgrades, Healing, Trauma healing, and ammo is only one of them. Also, none of the ridden in this game carry around ammo as a default. This only happens if you run a specific card, or Hoffman. You can also play Ammo stash to give your secondary infinite ammo. There are a ton of simple ways to play within the ammo system in the game, it can run as deep as you and your team want. I don’t know know why players choose to see this whole thing as a downside and not as another cool team aspect to the game.
You’re right. This isn’t lfd3. It’s a completely different game with different intentions. I have a direct response to most of these critiques that I just uploaded, if you can spare the time for a listen. I figure it’s fair to have both sides of the critique. Mind you I’m not a professional video creator either
What made the first 2 left for dead games great , was the ability to run around and blast off with unlimited hand gun ammo and PLENTIFUL secondary ammo . It was very basic and straight forward. Run around , point and shoot. Back 4 food was slow paced and made things a bit boring . I'm just happy it wasn't called Left for Dead 3 . There's still hope 🙏
They shouldn't have prefaced the entirety of the game's existence as a "spiritual successor" to L4D. Should they say something like: "This is our own take of what L4D could be in present times but no way would it be perfect." instead of going there and saying it's like L4D. Seriously, a game from 2008 can have thousands of death animations and infected variations, somewhat better gunplay, mod supports that keeps content from coming without it getting stale, campaign VS, and spiltscreen (at least on the console versions) - why can't Back 4 Blood have it too? Mods, to be specific, can be locked to PC-only servers. Playing with them disables crossplay (not sure why people keep disagreeing that B4D having no mods is okay because it's crossplay). The game is still fresh, I get that, and that's why I'm waiting at least a year later to see if Turtle Rock improved the game or left it as is (or you can say... left for dead... hehe). And sure, be it nostalgia, but L4D deserves it. The game is still supported to this day with an active playerbase. If TRS abandons B4B in the next two or three years, it won't be a surprise.
Yo creo que la diferencia más grande en los juegos es por el precio, mientras L4D2 está a un precio las que accesible, B4B esta mucho más, al mismo precio mejor sale comprar 4 L4D2 y jugarlo con amigos, además de que tiene workshop para cambiar de forma visual y hasta mapas tiene para no caer en lo repetitivo. Muy buen video sigue así, tienes mucho talento
Oh god I didn’t even realized it was a looter shooter lmao. Full item rarity with attachments and everything holy shit Edit: OMG THERE CLASSES TOO WITH COSMETICS OF COURSE
One thing I'd like to mention is the overall lack of music to support the game's mood, i.e. when a special zombie spawns in L4D2 you hear a sting that indicates which one or when you're attacked by, say, a smoker you hear dramatic music that heightens that feeling of intensity and highlights the stakes of you being helpless to fight back. In B4B there is no special music. Each special zombie spawns with such high frequency that it would be chaotic to hear their stings every time, for example. When you're in a DBNO state, whether that's being grabbed by a hunter or just going down, everyone just hears this really annoyingly loud siren noise. It's akin to your alarm in the morning; you don't stop it because you typically want to, you stop it because it's annoying the shit out of you.
The basic question that determines whether a single-player game is good or not is, usually, "Is this game fun to play?". To put it simply, if the answer is "yes" then the game is good, but if the answer is "no" then... well, guess what? It's bad. However, there are a handful of specific questions that only a small number of developers ask themselves while they're working on a *multiplayer* game instead. Those questions are "What makes this game special when compared to its competitors?", "Do you see yourself playing this game 5 years from now?" and "Who's the target audience?" A lot of multi games die because, as fun as they may initially appear to be, don't really lend themselves to extended replayability and offer very little variety so even if they are "technically functional" or "fun to play" you really cannot see yourself playing them for more than 2 hours, let alone half a decade. Especially with better and far more original products in the market. Back 4 Blood doesn't even try to answer those aforementioned questions with a "yes" or "no" and just awkwardly tosses them under the rug, hoping that no one notices. It is, for the most part, an expensive, technically outdated, aesthetically generic, utterly charmless Left 4 Dead clone that I'm 100% sure exists solely so that Turtle Rock can recover their losses with Evolve thanks to a marketing stunt built on lies. Let's think about it and be serious, no bias or personal preferences involved. Back 4 Blood rarely goes over 5k on Steam, constantly hovering between 2-3k while its spiritual "predecessor" pretty much stays over 20k constantly. Cast your appreciation for Back 4 Blood aside and tell me: is this game going to have a healthy playerbase in 2025? As for the third question... Who is this game supposed to appeal to? Casual players who are not attracted at all by a game with a steep learning curve? Hardcore players that can quench their thirst with superior games? COD players looking for a zombie game that isn't their *own* in-game zombie mode? Left 4 Dead fans that already have Left 4 Dead and are quite satisfied with it with no intention of changing? I'm not saying that no one should ever try to do something original with the Left 4 Dead formula because "there is Left 4 Dead already", that's a terrible mentality that I do not endorse because there's ALWAYS room for improvement for every successful formula, but is Back 4 Blood really the answer to that need of innovation? I really don't think so and, if the player count is anything to go by, I don't think I'm the only one to think this. I dunno. I feel like saying anything meaningful about Back 4 Blood is kinda pointless right now. It's out and they can't make miracles with patches or additional content and its reputation took a big blow the moment many people played the beta and noticed things were definitely off. I want it to improve and be better because it's always terrible to see games failing, but I don't see things changing for the best. It feels like we're watching a corpse decompose and there are two kinds of people: the ones leaving the room because the body smells and the others still shouting the dead guy's name, hoping that they can wake up and answer. Meh.
