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BACK TO BASICS Part 2: Music servers & network streamers 

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@lukehouge9776
@lukehouge9776 4 года назад
I’ve been using Apple TV’s as endpoints for our whole house setup. Might seem stupid, but works awesome for our family. All we stream is Apple Music, and these are cheaper than a Sonos and we can sync all them together with airplay 2. If you are all in apple ecosystem, this works good.
4 года назад
I'm a "beginner" and consider myself tech-savvy, and these videos were certainly useful. Of course I could grasp the "server-streamer" relationship beforehand, but I'm completely unaware of the different offerings in the market and the possible DIY configurations given readily available tech at home. I can't wait for part 3!! Also, subscribed.
@petervanderham4725
@petervanderham4725 4 года назад
Love the Node 2i that I recently bought! Great explanation :)
@ptr3671
@ptr3671 4 года назад
Thank you. I’ve had Logitech servers/ slim server and Twonky on my NAS and I always thought that the player software pulled the music from the server, that is the app read a file from the NAS and and did the bits to sound stuff. You just can’t know it all. Fortunately, people like you exist to help. Thank you again.
@noenken
@noenken 4 года назад
Just use some old android phone and connect it to a DAC. No need for some new device that is gonna get shut down eventually. Have a nice amp and really good speakers and you're done.
@missingabyme
@missingabyme 2 года назад
Alternatively, the fiio portable players have USB audio out. You could just connect that right to a dac instead of all this expensive insanity
@capelight52
@capelight52 4 года назад
Well done except that even for beginners, it is so daunting to understand all of the configurations. That being said, where’s the dumb down version for 68 year old audiophiles? You do a great job and enjoy your videos very much!
@robertmacmoneagle6917
@robertmacmoneagle6917 4 года назад
I'm not 68. I'm just not good at understanding technology.
@craigcoughlin1834
@craigcoughlin1834 4 года назад
Poor John has tried to tackle this, simply, a number of times. It's a rabbit hole of technology.
@PatrickSmith-zg9xl
@PatrickSmith-zg9xl 4 года назад
You are correct, tons of options. You can easily get paralysis by analysis... My advice is to figure out what your budget is, figure out what gear you already own that you want to use.. and look at your options that fits those two criteria... that should narrow your options to a somewhat manageable size. Also, be happy with whatever you chose.. the truth of the matter is.. within a particular price point.. most things sound similar enough to be happy with them (in terms of streamers anyways)..
@RasheedKhan-he6xx
@RasheedKhan-he6xx 4 года назад
I'm 51. I actually found it easier to understand when once I learned what each thing is doing. People who with the best of intentions try to simplify often skip so much it starts to sound like voodoo or shamanism. Think of an old fashioned jukebox. The server is the stack of EPs, the arm that moves back and forth to select the right one,and the turntable that plays it. In other words its where the music is physically stored and played. The streamer is the controller. So its the key pad that lets you select which EP you want to play. It can have additional features like being able to control several jukeboxes from one keypad and being able to store playlists and so forth. The dac takes the record player's signal and converts it to the kind of signal that your amp can recognize and play. So the DAC is performing the role of the phonostage or pre-amp and then it connects to your amplifier. Finally the amplifier connects to the speakers and you have sound.
@navinadv
@navinadv 4 года назад
So true, I absolutely agree. This was not a basic overview. It was too deep. I don’t know how this came on my You Tube feed but I lost this topic at UPNP. I want a device that is as simple to use as a FM radio or a TV set top box. All this server, streamer, Rune, Sonos, Core, Windows, Linux, Nucelus, etc should all be transparent to us users. I am 60+ and the PC wasn’t even invented when I graduated from University. They need to make this simple or only millennials who are techies will buy this stuff. I have 800+ CDs and over 1000+ movies and would like to have a simple storage that allowed me access to all of this.
@victorceban8175
@victorceban8175 4 года назад
As a home server, I have a WiFi router with an USB port which supports external hard drives. It isn't an expensive router and my music is always on the net, as the router is always turned on. I love it, comparing to the days when I was was streaming from my PC and had to turn it on and off for each music session .
@MikeYoungeasytravel
@MikeYoungeasytravel 4 года назад
The Sonos Connect/ZP80 doesn’t need a Mac or server for stored music. You can also use a NAS drive or the older (no longer available) Time Capsule.
@corneliszijlstra81
@corneliszijlstra81 4 года назад
Yep, that's my comment as well. You only need to fire up the software to tell Sonos where the music files are. After that the Sonos equipment scans that location. You could test this by turning off the pc in the kitchen. I however assume that your music files are also on that machine - or on an attached usb device. In that case it will obviously not work :)
@marcbarilla5584
@marcbarilla5584 4 года назад
Actually you can use your Internet Router, they often have an USB port. Maybe not perfect if you want to stream Lossless FLAC etc. Audio.
@MikeYoungeasytravel
@MikeYoungeasytravel 4 года назад
I originally used a Buffalo Linkstation connected via a cat5 cable directly to my ZP80. I then switched to an Apple Timecapsule, via a Sonos Bridge. Now I use an Innuos, and I still play files on various Sonos devices, from the Innuos hard drive. Note, the Innuos plays directly into my main system.
@davidbrittain3212
@davidbrittain3212 2 года назад
Its all still a mystery to me, even after watching this vid?!! I'll have to watch it again a few times I thin...
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
Got a question? Please phrase it so that ANYONE can answer. MORE INFO: darko.audio/2020/05/digital-music-streaming-101/
@conorw1989
@conorw1989 4 года назад
Hi John, is there anywhere to ask questions that aren't specific to the video in question?
@turn1210
@turn1210 4 года назад
I know this isn't one anyone can answer but i'm interested to know. Before working full time reviewing equipment, did you work in the IT industry? I just get that impression.
@webberron
@webberron 4 года назад
How do I get Free Internet Radio? I am not able to pay for any special streaming services. What audio gear or software do I need?
@miguelplaza327
@miguelplaza327 4 года назад
Can you connect the Roon Nucleus directly to the DAC? it is a Synthesis Roma DC96+, which has a USB input.
@ihaouka
@ihaouka 4 года назад
John Darko dear John, what is the plan for this video serie? The table of content if you want. Thank you
@sandcat-maurice
@sandcat-maurice 4 года назад
Thanks for your great videos! Wrt Sonos app send music to the Sonos device: actually Sonos device pulls music from any of the indexed shares (computer, NAS). The app is only a remote (not a server) and does not need to be on the same device as where your music is stored. You can even remove the app all together and the music keeps playing.
@NykoLUniko
@NykoLUniko 4 года назад
Would love to hear you talk about diving a bit into Streamers that can stream directly from the cloud vs Streamers that stream through your mobile device. I’m curious about the sound quality behavior for each & how they could be better suited for different applications. Not a whole video but more like a slight segment of 1-2min in a video clarifying the two.
@jeromewhitmill733
@jeromewhitmill733 4 года назад
I truly enjoy all you videos. Please keep it going and can't wait!
@lazarosnikolaidis256
@lazarosnikolaidis256 4 года назад
Thank you John. Very informative video.
@Cornwall1888
@Cornwall1888 4 года назад
I’ve yet to experience much if any hifi stuff but I’m kind of obsessed with it right now. Started with a dragonfly red and monolith m1060 headphones. Kef lsx will probably be next. Right now I’ve only heard music streamed from phones and sky q I’d be interested to here this stuff and if I notice a big difference
@guillermomorales9856
@guillermomorales9856 4 года назад
Simple concepts explained the long and hard way. Nice.
@robbintories
@robbintories 4 года назад
I recently bought the Innous Zen mk3 server which resides in my tv cabinet. It connects over wifi to my bluesound 2i in another room and I have to say I am very pleased with the results. I have the bluesound connected to my Rega amp and apart from the turntable, I can control the whole lot either on my phone or tablet using the bluesound app. No issues so far. I was fortunate to have a demo in a room at Audio T and the system sounded far better than the system I originally had in mind. I think it pays to use your own ears and judge for yourself and not go off the latest What Hifi awards. It's probably a step up from a beginner system and certainly not high end. I like to think of it as an "enthusiasts" set up. Looking forward to part three. Good work as always.
@jeppemichaeljensen2684
@jeppemichaeljensen2684 4 года назад
Yes also informativ. I recently bought a Zen m3 because of you ! Brilliant hardware. But I could not talk to my PSAudio Gain Cell Dac...... wrong firmware. Now I have to change the mainboard in the DAC, no worries, its covered by the warranty. Thanks
@jimdudley57
@jimdudley57 4 года назад
Great video John. Can't wait for part 3. Timing is perfect as I'm making the plunge into digital audio. Keep the intel coming my friend!
@russelhaxby6194
@russelhaxby6194 4 года назад
I don't know any of this stuff. One of these days, I'm going to have to figure it out.
@paulwibb.8944
@paulwibb.8944 4 года назад
Though listening to music was meant to be fun/relaxing,, this all seems very long-winded.
@alexojeda9048
@alexojeda9048 4 года назад
I thought you were trying to keep it basic and simple for us newbies. Just kiddin' bro. Love your vids
@SaptarshiManna
@SaptarshiManna 4 года назад
Even raspberry pi can be configured to play the role of network streamer and music server simultaneously. Using Mopidy we can use spotify connect, soundcloud, and other steaming services as well as play local music files placed in the sd card.
@mkcraghead
@mkcraghead 3 месяца назад
For any of the local server to streamer setups that you discussed, other than, possibly, the Nucleus, if Roon 2.0, do you need an Internet connection, or will a local LAN connection do? Thx for the great video.
@Audiojunkabus
@Audiojunkabus 4 года назад
I am using a Buffalo NAS drive and Bluesound Node. It is the original Node (built-in DAC analog out not the best) so I use it with an external DAC. The Bluesound GUI-software performs very well IMO.
@NickP333
@NickP333 4 года назад
Appreciate this vid, John. Thank you!
@michaelreading9296
@michaelreading9296 4 года назад
This series of videos is very informative, appreciate you doing theses. I for one never knew any of this stuff.
@IvanMarjanovicLDN
@IvanMarjanovicLDN 4 года назад
Another extremely useful video. Many thanks.
@linof.4141
@linof.4141 4 года назад
Both the Sonos and the Bluesound are not upnp because they are running their own software server internally. You only need to tell them where is the folder that contain the music. This is also one of the cool point of the Bluesound: just plug an usb hard-disk in the back and the music will be "served" to the player using the metadata (or by folder if you like...)
@christopherwright8179
@christopherwright8179 4 года назад
I’ve been into computer streaming for quite a few years now using a Mac mini with Audirvana software taking care of my local library and Qobuz music subscription. It works fairly well and sounds ok, but for those starting out I would suggest skipping computer audio and doing things properly. An Innuos Zen mini will make life so much more enjoyable with regard to usability and sound quality and doesn’t cost the earth! It’s next on my upgrade path.
@darrendackly4754
@darrendackly4754 4 года назад
It's a thumbs from me. I've had a bit of a go with the RPi but got the feeling I was missing something. It turns out I was missing a lot of thing's. Thank you for doing this and yes , I would love it if you did more.
@iscmiscm
@iscmiscm 4 года назад
I like the idea of a separate server (in my case a RAID NAS) to use as a repository for all my media which becomes my 'master' copy. In my case I only use my PC's storage for manipulation (and sometimes for a quick backup) with the main content including my work/ excel files also kept on the NAS server. It then becomes very easy to backup. Having streamers for both Audio and Video plus Photos becomes simple, as I always know where my content is. Apart from my backup copies, I also have a duplicate NAS which I can treat as yet another backup or take it with me when I work abroad.
@j.j.hunsecker3009
@j.j.hunsecker3009 4 года назад
Great and helpful. Thanks for putting this up!
@jandmbooks
@jandmbooks 4 года назад
I have had the Logitech Squeezebox Touch for a decade and it recently died. I loved that item, especially for the phone app to control every aspect of it. I want to try Roon, qobuz, Tidal at a similar price point as the Touch, doing so via ethernet connection. Reccomendatons please.
@MichaelJohnsonAzgard
@MichaelJohnsonAzgard 4 года назад
My server/streaming setup used to be a Windows desktop PC as the server and PS3 as the steamer. To get it to my hi-fi I would use my PS3 as a receiver which was connected to the hi-fi via analogue connections. Now I just have Google Home units around the house. The sound quality is nowhere near hi-fi quality, but I can use voice commands which have worked very successfully for me.
@markwilding3828
@markwilding3828 2 года назад
I love how technology has made our lives so much easier
@mlkm87
@mlkm87 4 года назад
John, thanks for the videos man - Love your point of view, keep it up it helps alot! (Just bought a Mojo/Poly cuz of you and love it!). Would love to see more from you on Acoustics (like your video with Acoustic Insider), EQ and Room treatment, as I feel my (and others) setup would benefit a lot more from your approach of explaining us this. Any chance for that in the future?
@Christos9
@Christos9 4 года назад
The server has the files and the streamer makes music out of these files. The app tells the streamer what to play.
@59seank
@59seank 4 года назад
THANKYOU!
@iand8548
@iand8548 4 года назад
John, nice explanation. I would recommend a picture of the flow of the music from the source through the devices and methods (USB, S/PDIF, etc.) to explain this and have as a memento for people to take away. The decision on what device a person would purchase is based on their preferred streaming service vs sound quality (such as Sonos vs Bluesound vs Devaliet) and their compatibility.
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
Plenty of diagrams on the internet: www.google.com/search?q=music+server+streamer+diagram&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwju6dOJlanpAhXJOuwKHfy5DJEQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=music+server+streamer+diagram&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1D6MFjZNGCiNmgAcAB4AIABjgGIAYAFkgEDMi40mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWc&sclient=img&ei=zeG3Xq7PCsn1sAf887KICQ&bih=937&biw=1747#imgrc=_Cwx7X_ALEmfSM
@skizzlemane1
@skizzlemane1 4 года назад
John Darko yeah that’s what I suggested in my comment. Look how fast you found those John LOL you should’ve put one in your video. That’s what makes yours so enjoyable to watch, and informative. It’s a video. If we wanted to just hear the information we would listen to a podcast. Just giving you grief man 😂
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
I don't own the rights to those images.
@skizzlemane1
@skizzlemane1 4 года назад
John Darko I didn’t mean use those exact images but you could use those as a model in making your own pretty simple really
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
Sure I get that. I was just giving you grief, man.
@clivebarrell6448
@clivebarrell6448 4 года назад
Sonos Connect...my understanding is that the Windows app is only needed for initial configuration, it is not used to serve files. In fact my files are served via SMB Windows style shares from my Linux based OpenMediaVault machine.
@gomle69
@gomle69 4 года назад
Clive Barrell same here, and same for my Bluesound Node 2 👍🏻👍🏻
@richardherbert3519
@richardherbert3519 4 года назад
Hi, I’m just getting into streaming and found your video very interesting and well delivered. Regards, Richard Herbert
@chrisxie2234
@chrisxie2234 4 года назад
@John Darko Hi John, I'm interested in the raspberry pi case you're using, could you give me the link so that I can buy it?
@frederiklantsoght3743
@frederiklantsoght3743 4 года назад
I am loving the bluesound node with yamaha as2100 and dynaudio special 40. What would be a good upgrade, look for an external dac for the bluesound? And in what category of dacs should you look for a significant better sound?
@EMCPM2013
@EMCPM2013 4 года назад
Great reviews. I am a beginner so my qn is ..why do you choose to buy a separate streamer when you can use your smartphone?
@arkdark5554
@arkdark5554 4 года назад
Very informative. Thanks.
@HD-su9sq
@HD-su9sq 4 года назад
You explained it well! I find this area of audio frustrating because different manufacturers handle the functions of serving/streaming/DAC/preamp so differently. So you can find a one-box solution, or find you need four different units if you start in a different way. Everybody seems to have a different view of the technologies and "formats" (Roon/MQA/DSD/PCM). Personally, I'm ready to move my files off the computer, but can't decide how to do it.
@manardh7387
@manardh7387 4 года назад
Roon is just a program. MQA is not talked about much lately. DSD to me doesn't sound better most of the time over high res PCM. A server still has disks with data, they are computers that clock out data.
@77936fief
@77936fief 4 года назад
i know it's not specific to music only, but more as such a music server. but i've set up a Plex media server a couple of years ago. i still find the functionality and interface to be one of the best looking around.
@dn2888
@dn2888 4 года назад
How about using a smart TV with Chromecast built-in and toslink out as a streamer? Local files can be accessed over LAN as well.
@togetherinasong
@togetherinasong 4 года назад
Have you ever reviewed Yamaha musiccast streamers? Interested as they're generally so much cheaper than alternatives - you can often pick up the wxad-10 streamer for £100 but even their more expensive stuff is a lot cheaper than the likes of Sonos and bluesound. Would be good to know your opinion
@thomaslee6957
@thomaslee6957 4 года назад
I would like that too. I think John could make an excellent video about Yamaha and MusicCast.
@bulldogbrower6732
@bulldogbrower6732 4 года назад
You introduce streaming to viewers and you have done a bang up job of it. Didn’t you fail to mention that you have to pay for all of these different services. How much are they per month. Which ones of these services allow you to download the music into your hard drive or copy to your phone as a purchase ?
@pablobanados4282
@pablobanados4282 Год назад
Hi! as a roon user, is there ANY sound quality advantage of using a dedicated streamer (any price), against a good computer (ie: mac mini or a intel nuc) running roon core and connected to a nice dac? At least in terms of UI, I think the second solution is way more powerful, flexible, scalable and easy to use, and it is almost free compared to some streamers priced as if they were made of pure gold.
@fbunny9
@fbunny9 4 года назад
Hi John, I am new to this world of streamers and its ecosystem. Came across your channel while looking for reviews for an entry level IEM. Thanks for sharing your experience and creating awareness. But ( for me) apart from the gains mentioned, there is also a growing curiosity and sort of want ( actually a need) to build a decent budget friendly streamer ecosystem too. So in that context I would like to ask if there was specific reason for choosing a DigiOne and not the Signature in this video. Was that a deliberate choice ? Thanks again,
@paulshepherd1805
@paulshepherd1805 4 года назад
Excellent description, but wow complex as to where to start! I’m an Analogue man, so my media is LPs (for now ... not convinced given the faff of short term play & cost of vinyl) plus CDs. I did once upon a time run a Vortexbox Server via Windows 8 interface, but found the upkeep of files and manual indexing/genre a chore TBH. So I returned to media for ease. That said my wife now shares her Spotify (family) account, so I’m thinking of a mini box ‘Project Stream S2’ to add to my system for easy access of additional music while reducing my CD collection to a core value “listening book”. Just tooooooo many choices these days.... and I believe SIMPLEST (like me) is best BUT any advice is welcome, keep up the good work 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊
@kennethadams2575
@kennethadams2575 4 месяца назад
Wow, so 3 separate electronic devices and we haven't even got to the dac and amp? Or to get it down to 2 devices (excluding dac and amp), one needs to be very expensive and require a monthly subscription?
@skizzlemane1
@skizzlemane1 4 года назад
If Im being honest I fully understand this stuff, but you made it sound confusing... I’m not sure how you did that lol. One thing I enjoy and also may help some people when the information is hard to follow is in “part one” you had more on screen visual aids. For instance with each product that you held up there was a symbol for Spotify connect or airplay or UPnP during your explanation. Regardless, great video as usual. Can’t wait for the next one 👍🏼 also I wanted to say thank you for the continued content during this worldwide situation
@murderbymodem
@murderbymodem 4 года назад
Agreed. I understand all the technical details, but the entire time I'm watching the video I can just tell that anyone trying to understand the "basics" is going to be completely confused by this. Sticking to one brand or system in order to explain the basics would have been a much better idea, instead of going all over the place with different brands, products, systems, etc.
@shaunpaulwallace
@shaunpaulwallace 4 года назад
Seconded! 👍🏻
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
I agree. Sticking to one platform - one server, one streamer - would have made it simpler. BUT that would have led to a gazillion "what about?" questions int the comments section. And given that I am expected to field many of those questions - many, many hours of work - I chose to make the video content broader. Maybe I should have made the simpler, one platform video and then turned the comments off. ;)
@skizzlemane1
@skizzlemane1 4 года назад
Darren Prest Uh oh Darren. Don’t be part of the confused people club 😬. I didn’t say it WAS confusing I said somehow he makes it SOUND confusing. I also said that I fully understand, and then proceeded to explain that others might find it hard to follow. You gotta pay attention ☝🏼 to answer your question yes it was/is great. All of these videos are pretty great indeed.
@richardsinger01
@richardsinger01 4 года назад
skizzlemane1 - is there a difference between an explanation sounding confusing and being confusing? Anyway, my advice to anyone starting out is just jump on board. Setting the hardware and software up is pretty simple in my experience - at least if Sonos and Synology are typical.
@mauricecanham687
@mauricecanham687 4 года назад
Thanks for the video...I am now starting to understand streaming etc. My main sources are records, tapes and my digital files going from laptop to DAC to HiFi. Honeslty though....steamers, servers, Tidal, Roon etc are still feeling like alien concepts to me!
@ManleyWalker
@ManleyWalker 4 года назад
@John Darko, although I’ve been subscribed for a while, LOVE this series, as there are many gaps in my knowledge. Currently running Roon server on my Mac desktop (because that’s what I have) but hoping to get a NUC on which I’ll run Roon and Plex. Do you prefer Windows or Linux for such a setup? Thanks for the info and the inspiration.
@miguelplaza327
@miguelplaza327 4 года назад
Manley Walker have you seen the Roon Nucleus? I’m getting mine today...
@duojet1027
@duojet1027 4 года назад
What’s your opinion on the Aurelic Altair G1 versus the NAD 50.2 Musicmaster? Like both but wonder your professional opinion
@thomaslee6957
@thomaslee6957 4 года назад
Hi John. Great videos on streaming. My only grouch is the monthly fee for services. I know there are not many about. Though it would be great if you did a hifi tuner review. Free music for all once you you have bought your equipment.
@adunford2664
@adunford2664 4 года назад
Lots of ways to do this, I guess many of us older folk want a simple example of a hardware setup. Are you able to show an example with a CD player that can stream over hifi and Sonos please?
@AdiascarCisneros
@AdiascarCisneros 4 года назад
Hi John. I discovered your channel recently and find your reviews very helpful even though they’re purposely narrow in subject. Based on my needs and budget I figured the Volumio Primo is a good option me. You gave it a high rating in your review from about a year ago, but I don’t see you mentioning it in your recent videos. Is there a reason (long term quality, support,etc) your opinion about the Volumio changed? If so, I’ll look at the Allo DigiOne (I’d rather pay a bit more for a better plug-n-play experience with the Volumio)
@buttonman1831
@buttonman1831 4 года назад
I would like to see a video regarding the the best streaming method/service for sound quality. I know I don't like my Sonos connect at all for sound quality. Streaming via upnp seem much better, but are there better solutions?
@VirtualGuth
@VirtualGuth 4 года назад
Even though I've been enjoying hifi gear for decades, I am very much a newcomer to all of this myself. I imagine that one of the biggest hurdles to overcome in trying to explain this side of the audio spectrum to someone like me is that we aren't just talking about hardware any longer. There is a cornucopia of software involved and when you consider that one piece of hardware could potentially involve a multitude of software choices the demands on the person trying to explain things seemingly increase exponentially. In addition, we aren't simply talking about a few different formats, each one specific to a particular category of hardware (i.e. turntables play records, CD players play CD's, cassette decks play cassettes, so on and so forth). The person trying to describe this side of the audio spectrum now also has to explain things like 1:1 vs lossless vs compressed and the bandwidth being used to deliver these various choices. In all honesty, I have the feeling it would be easier for me to figure this out over time in a somewhat painful fashion than it would be to know about the ins and outs of all of this stuff and then trying to explain it to someone like myself. I am sympathetic for people like myself trying to digest all of these things, but I am also feel sympathy for someone like John here who is trying to find a straightforward way to explain all of this to myself and others like me. Plus, while sound quality was intended to be the focus of this series of videos, the fact that I realize there are differences in sound quality between different streamers for example certainly raises my curiosity a few notches. The weird thing, is that the brick & mortar stores have always held the highest appeal for me when it comes to making my traditional hifi purchases. However, now heading into this side of things, knowing that I am essentially looking at buying fairly sterile computing devices dealing with 1's and 0's (that is NOT a comment on the music quality produced) takes away a lot of the romance of music playback for me. I'm sad to say that this does feel like it is likely to decrease my interest in a visit to my favorite local brick & mortar shops. The same ones that I have happily supported for many decades now (and vice versa). I already subscribed after part one of this series and I'll continue to watch with interest.
@JanKrnac
@JanKrnac 4 года назад
You mentioned that you don't want to talk about sound quality, but you said that Auralis Mini provides better sound quality than Sonos Connect... I will probably not receive an answer, but is this claim based on data/specs or personal preference?
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
It's based on hundreds of hours of listening.
@felixshuttlecock1440
@felixshuttlecock1440 4 года назад
@@DarkoAudio If you hear a difference from your experience then can we assume there must be some technical difference (soft or hardware) between the Sonos and the Auralic? I have a Connect and mostly just stream Spotify to a McIntosh amp via interconnects. But the Connect is pretty old now and after seeing your video I want to find a replacement, but the Auralic seems to be discontinued so wonder what else I should consider. I also use the Connect to stream from my PC files. I just use my iPhone to control everything. Thanks.
@peter1987
@peter1987 4 года назад
Great video especially for me right now as about to buy my first higher end streamer. Looking forward to next video (hoping it will help unravel the roon in a separate box mystery)
@djazz0
@djazz0 4 года назад
On my home server/living room pc I have Snapcast (with Librespot for Spotify Connect and Shairport-sync for Airplay) and Music Player Daemon for local files hosted on the server. I use the yaMPC iOS app to control MPD. Right now it’s connected with line-out to my receiver. My TV has a toslink DAC to the receiver. The TV is also connected to a soundbar with HDMI ARC if I want 5.1 surround for movies. The receiver is all analog except for the tuner (Yamaha RX-300 from the late 80s). Turntable connected directly to receiver’s phono input. The tape out is connected to the server’s line-in if I want to record and it runs my music visualizer (8x8 rgb led matrix). Snapcast is for multiroom audio, so I can listen to my music in my whole apartment. In the kitchen I have a Pi Zero W with a Pimoroni pHatDAC I think its called.
@Another_Audiophile
@Another_Audiophile 4 года назад
It would be interesting to see a streamer like the bluesound vs a Mac mini using audirvana
@josepmariaalandisomoza1315
@josepmariaalandisomoza1315 4 года назад
For me, it would be interesting how to connect the Bluesound to a Mac acting as a server
@AdamJRichardson
@AdamJRichardson 4 года назад
I have a Bluesound Node 2i, and I've tried that compared to a PC laptop running Audirvana, both running Qobuz, both running through a Project DS2 Digital pre-amp/DAC (which is fairly superior to the DAC in the Bluesound, and far better than what's in the Mac Mini). Hard to say that one was squarely better than the other. The Bluesound was a little more laid back, and while the PC/Audirvana had more detail, it was a bit to aggressive in its sound for my taste - I couldn't listen to it for long periods. So not exactly the comparo you were looking for, but maybe helpful... My gut tells me the Bluesound will still be better, as its DAC is a lot better than the Mac's.
@taybul
@taybul 4 года назад
I believe a good dedicated DAC and a simple streamer capable of bit-perfect USB output would be better for most people in the long run.
@kurtbradd
@kurtbradd 4 года назад
Yep!! That's what I'm looking for.
@alfonsogarcia3786
@alfonsogarcia3786 4 года назад
Unrelated to the topic but I need to ask : The music bits of John Darko´s videos sound better through my receiver system than anyhthing else in youtube. Are you doing anything special to the audio in your uploads than the average youtube is not doing? Specially the electronic music bits sound absolutely fantastic.
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
Absolutely zero post processing.
@wengkeong8393
@wengkeong8393 4 года назад
If I just want a streamer for streaming from cloud servers (eg spotify, tidal etc) and connect to my own DAC, then does the streamer affect the sound quality? Or we should just choose the streamer base on ease of use?
@MB-js3tf
@MB-js3tf 4 года назад
Weng Keong id like the answer to this question too
@humanitech
@humanitech 4 года назад
I have only just got into streamers and recently got a secondhand bluesound node 2i which is great and has a reasonably good internal dac and can decode tidal MQA. But you can bypass the node's dac and connect to a better external dac to improve the sound.. through either the coax or toslink optical cable if needed. Although I believe these cable have different bandwidth limitations?.which I'm checking out. But as it is the node is an impressive bit of kit to stream to most music service and listen to stored music and radio. Not sure if that helps
@manardh7387
@manardh7387 4 года назад
Like everything in audio, everything can matter. I am sure if you spend more money, the data streams could be tightened up some. Maybe spending more on a USB cable could make more of an improvement. I just swapped out a cheap network cable for a wireworld into my computer and could hear the difference, the company signature sound could be heard even over wireless to my M11 DAP. Everything matters.
@wengkeong8393
@wengkeong8393 4 года назад
Appreciate all the replies. But coming from my point of view, I’m more of thinking if i can just get a raspberry pi instead of a bluesound node to stream when I already have a fairly decent DAC. Of course I know the more money you put into the setup you can get better sound quality but in my humble opinion that is not exactly the point I am raising
@humanitech
@humanitech 4 года назад
@@wengkeong8393 you can use a raspberry, PC, laptop, tablet, phone or dedicated streamer to stream music via the internet streaming service ...even smart TVs have streaming options. But the sound can vary to some degree, but start with what you have available and then upgrade if you are not happy with the sound. I streamed from the TV, phone and laptop for a while and it sounded great
@JH-ty3ic
@JH-ty3ic 4 года назад
I'm about to retire and i thought that maybe it would be cheaper to stream than buy all the units for traditional hifi, does it have to be as expensive as your shows suggests? Can you give me any hints for £3,000 I've heard of the hegel 120 but which speakers would compliment it and is there something besides the hegel that might be more appropriate? Finding your channel was a life saver as the others all seem to recommend the same kit and never concentrate on the one approach to save time or bother. These vids are an eye opener to a techno phobe. Cheers
@adamhindle9215
@adamhindle9215 4 года назад
Keep 'em coming John. Another good vid, although I admit that confused me about as much as clarified it all. I'd be interested in comments on what software/app you have to use at each step/option. Obviously Roon is king but aside from that the question is what interface would be needed to select the songs to stream from the cloud/server for each piece of hardware (BluOS, Musicast, iTunes, Chromecast et al). As a newbie to streaming, that would be a key concern.
@miusicmene
@miusicmene 4 года назад
I have a Sonore Microrendu Streamer to a Hugo 2 dac. It’s completely stripped from all gimmicks and stuff you don’t really need but usually pay for. Simple, small, powerful and amazing value for the money ! It’s just not mainstream...(pun intended;)
@shaunvickers9255
@shaunvickers9255 4 года назад
I'm looking to find a solution using Amazon FireTV as my network streamer. They have the best support for native streaming apps for Tidal, Qobuz, Spotify. And it has native support for Plex, VLC, etc. for my local content. And it has a great UI for "lean back" listening and convenience so my wife and children can also use it without learning about Roon or some Upnp App on my smartphone to make it work on the home hifi system. What do you think is the best way to use FireTV stick as a streamer and then use an external DAC etc. to get the best sound quality?
@mikem4214
@mikem4214 4 года назад
Notice the Klipsch back on the stands....enjoying them I take it
@jwbrook
@jwbrook 4 года назад
Very helpful. Thank you!!
@John-ic6zo
@John-ic6zo 4 года назад
I did not think this was simple enough for beginners..Too much jargon and product names..A signal path diagram might have helped..Where does the music originate? What kit do I need to hear it? Imagine I live in a caravan In the middle of nowhere..I have electricity..what else do I need? In reality I was a beginner in computer based audio 3 years ago after a lifetime of listening via Turntable/ cd/ tuner/ amp/ speakers.. it hasn't been easy for me to grasp the idea of music coming from the internet. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks John..But I am happy with my Innuos Meridian explorer AVI DM10 active speakers(for now anyway).. Kind regards Another John
@pegun
@pegun 4 года назад
I've been interested in the Allo Digione to stream Spotify Connect and Deezer from cloud and also to connect to a USB hard drive to play flac files. Gapless playback is a must. Please recommend an OS, options are dietpi+Allo GUI, Volumio, Moode Audio and Max2Play. Thanks.
@my_wood
@my_wood 4 года назад
dear john Is there a way to stream all the sound signal from the computer to streamer? For example using web browser to play youtube video or using player software to play video/music then send all those signal to the streamer Will it be better than using computer connect to dac via usb? Becasue streamer is better than computer. thank you
@mariorinaldi7612
@mariorinaldi7612 4 года назад
I use a raspberry with digione signature hat. I use it as a Roon endpoint and it supports airplay too. So from my macbook pro everything sounds from my Dac through the streamer
@naskrajuciszy
@naskrajuciszy 4 года назад
I would expand this question to also include streaming anything from a smartphone
@SPLATON_89_64
@SPLATON_89_64 4 года назад
@@naskrajuciszy I can't find any software can do this
@SPLATON_89_64
@SPLATON_89_64 4 года назад
@@mariorinaldi7612 Mac can do this. Windows can't.
@johncolton
@johncolton 4 года назад
How important is the quality and performance of the device running Roon Core? For example, if I run Roon Core on very low spec device, like a $200 NUC, and never plan to use it as a server, will anything in my system suffer? Alternatively, if I have a high spec device, like an Innuos Zen or Statement, will that device suffer if I run Roon Core on it?
@chouff9109
@chouff9109 4 года назад
I see you move your acoustic wall panels, Could you please give us some explanations how you treat your room and where a beginner should start with room treatement? Thx.
@bigjt37
@bigjt37 4 года назад
Thanks, John. You've surely helped me, I know that. Good stuff, mate. 💯👍🏼✌🏼
@sayhellotovin
@sayhellotovin 4 года назад
The Raspberry Pi is just a personal computer just like your NUC, it can be a server, player or both. Roon being the exception I suppose as of their software packages, they've only released the Roon Bridge for Armv7 and Roon Core is only available for x86.
@phillipscott7634
@phillipscott7634 4 года назад
Other than the Sonos connect which streamers allow you to play your hi-fi system around the house? I am about to buy a new house with a dedicated hi-fi room and want to for example play my CDs in the kitchen and dining room.
4 года назад
Yamaha MusicCast
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 4 года назад
My S.A.C.D player even sounds better now lol , John came up in the LP/CD Era also, I am about to go full streaming also. I was streaming with my Pioneer Elite SX-N30 Hi-Res Reciever (799.00US) Its built in streamer was Ok but dont think the ifi Audio Zen-Blue paired with AptX-HD transmitter, gave that streamer a run for the money and now this new LC3-Plus is coming out can't wait to try that B/T codec !! John , Really appricate the videos ! ! I'm trying to keep up ! Hell MQA CDs also now in Japan ! Crazyness ! Nothing beats a direct connection as one would say 😆 😆
@ilovespeakers3348
@ilovespeakers3348 4 года назад
Have you tried installing Roon ROCK on your Intel Nuc (thus making it a Nucleus)? if so, how does it compare to the Nucleus?
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
Nope. Not done that.
@TTMRBricks
@TTMRBricks 4 года назад
Great info.. quick question if using an external DAC would the sound quality be any different if comparing the sonos vs the bluesound?
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
Quick answer: yes.
@richardgeorgesmith
@richardgeorgesmith 4 года назад
Hi John, SB Touch user (SB3 broke finally after 14 years), and trying Tidal on their £4 deal. My android remote is telling me I'm receiving (Tidal flac) which is clearly way better than an mp3 rip. However, something is lost comparing the same songs in standard flac from my PC server. Do you, or anyone else find the same?
@bluguitar91
@bluguitar91 4 года назад
Thanks for the explanation, very useful albeit a little confusing at the same time! I wanted to ask where does a software like Audirvana sit in all of this?
@mikecoots7003
@mikecoots7003 4 года назад
Got a question. What is that windows please and where can I get one. Is it a particular type? I want to simplify how I listen to music. Ideally I would like to rip my cds to a device and use that same device for streaming services. Would that WS pc be a solution?
@larsgrefer
@larsgrefer 4 года назад
One minor thing: The remote isn't telling the server what to push to the streamer. It's telling the streamer what to pull from the (possibly remote) server.
@PeriodWoodworker
@PeriodWoodworker 4 года назад
I love your stuff but I am currently looking for something that will move Spotify music to my reel to reel so I can record it. What do I need?
@toddratson7526
@toddratson7526 4 года назад
Oh dear - the more I learn, I realize the less I know. Please correct me if I am totally lost. I have an older 30watt Intel NUC (client) I connect to my Sony receiver via HDMI. I use it to play music (flac) and video (mkv) to my bi-wired 5.1 theater speakers with all media on a separate Linux file server. The Sony is acting as the DAC if I understand correctly because the HDMI connection is digital. I used to think this was the ultimate solution but if I again understand correctly a cheap clock and poor quality power supply on the NUC might prevent **really** good quality sound on the HDMI, USB and SPDIF. To top it all off the Sony may not be as good a DAC as I originally thought either! So my question is: How do I go about improving my sound and is there a way to improve the sound over HDMI for video as well or do I need to break out the sound separately for my flac collection? I use Kodi with a central MariaDB database but I am not beholden to it. I much prefer DIY open source solutions if possible and I can't afford both a theater and stereo system. Any clarity would be much appreciated. Thanks John, I find your videos quite helpful.
@halstonrossi
@halstonrossi 4 года назад
I absolutely love your videos. But I can’t for the life of me figure out how to wirelessly stream music from turntable to a speaker in another room. (Without using Sonos)
@dariopadula7612
@dariopadula7612 4 года назад
Usually I'm a fan of your videos, but must say this was a bit confusing. Why do we call a device (a server-streamer) that takes informations (music) from an inside hardrive a streamer? Isn't that just the same thing as connecting a pc with music on its hardrive directly to the hifi system? Besides "definitions", what would be the difference (and advantages) of one system over the other? Just the fact that you can control the server/streamer from a remote tool (e.g. a phone)? Thank you John!
@DarkoAudio
@DarkoAudio 4 года назад
Yes, a PC or Mac directly connected to a hifi system can be thought of as a server streamer.
@dariopadula7612
@dariopadula7612 4 года назад
@@DarkoAudio thanks!
@zzillezz
@zzillezz 4 года назад
Thanks for the video, John. What stands are you using with the RP-600M that are seen in the background ?
@dicmccoy
@dicmccoy 4 года назад
Is the Bluesound Node 2i worth it? I'm looking for my first streamer to stream Tidal to my IOTAVX stack. Is there something else you would recommend? I want something easy to use, but the software can't be sluggish and buggy. I will only be using it to stream Tidal and that's it. Thanks. :)
@Only1Feckitt
@Only1Feckitt 4 года назад
I have a Node 2i and it is by far the best and most reliable solution I have had. I have a hard drive plugged into the Node and stream Tidal. It just works. I highly recommend.
@TomislavCapan
@TomislavCapan 4 года назад
Richard McCoy wonderfully simple and it works. Software updates are often, so in case of any bugs, it will be sorted out, but I haven't experienced any noticable issues with my prev-gen Node 2. It sounds even better once you manage to include a good standalone DAC into your system. Also, one of the most polished mobile apps for audio players ever, plus it has an IR receiver which can learn your existing IR RC (unused buttons from your amp or TV RC), so you don't have to have another one on your table - great for quick play/pause/skip/favourites, and that's the main thing I miss on my current RPi-based setup where I always need to grab my phone; RC was way quicker way of doing things.
@JKuit-tj6zp
@JKuit-tj6zp 4 года назад
John have you ever heard of De fyne audio f500 and how does it do in comparison to de KEF Ls50
@MrBonger88
@MrBonger88 4 года назад
Very nice. Any chance you’ll be reviewing the OpticalRendu?
@randomjasmicisrandom
@randomjasmicisrandom 4 года назад
I bought my initial Sonos set up over 10 years ago and I love how simple and easy to use it is. I have a connect plugged into my Arcam amplifier, a Sonos 1 in the Kitchen and a 3 in the dining room. I have another connect plugged into an old Bose speaker in the bedroom. My music is either Spotify or ripped cds on a WD MyBook plugged into the router. All of this is getting old and the impending big Sonos update is a concern. What do I do? I hear you say that the sound quality is better on other products, but they also sound more complicated. My plan is to get more Sonos to augment and slowly replace the old kit. Should I look at other options? I also like the fact that Sonos is already plugged into last.fm, although it does clash with Spotify creating a double scrobble which I have to manually delete.
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