This is the best approach of all the videos, He first uses the BHE approach to determine the revised required contact point on the object ball for the type and extent of side required, and then he steps up and resets his sight line to this revised contact point, and perfectly aligns his stance and cue along this new sight line. This tutorial can't be faulted, and ensures consistency with sighting, stance, bridge hand and cue alignment.
well you absolutely make sense because I thought I was the only one that knows this technique but now I see you aiming for English on your RU-vid video 😆
This is really really good information. I use back hand English and I never did like the way like my cue was out of line with my body. It always felt awkward and I was off balance. That is a really simple solution to the problem that I never thought of even though I did think about that a lot. Hattiesburg fast when I'm down on the shot I don't get up and get back down sometimes even when I know I should. Anyway sounds simple, looks simple, but it's really brilliant!! Thank you I'm going to work on that. I really like your advice and your method of teaching. Glad I found this channel!
Brian! when Dave does his backhand English pivot he just doesn’t move his arm he shifts his lower body with his arm. I like your way better. I’m still practicing every day and getting pretty good thanks to you.steve
This too technical, having to know shaft length and pivoting. Better to learn where you need to hit the ball and where you want the cue ball to go, and knowing where to hit the cue ball before you even get down. So the English is applied while you're down. That's how most professionals play, you can see they have English before the last stroke, which you guys pivot over then I guess . Doesn't seem you have 10% control over where the cue ball going if you using back or front hand English lol
I agree with the point that you want your grip arm to be in-line with the rest of your body. If using BHE, then, why not just execute the pivot by very slightly moving your whole body rather than just your arm as Poolology demonstrates? To achieve max english (0.5625 in) only requires moving less than 2 inches, and usually you need much less english. Seems to be a reasonable approach -- if you want to use BHE. IMHO, BHE should primarily be thought of as a solution to deflection only. Throw (both CIT & SIT), swerve, and other shot variables require further shot planning and adjustments. But this video -- and many others on the subject -- don't isolate and explain all the variables separately. It just creates more confusion to present BHE as an approach to managing all these variables. It can't. I do appreciate the point about using BHE as a visual training tool. But I think the disadvantage of seeing the line with BHE, getting up, and coming back down on that line, is that, because BHE alone can't handle all the variables, your mind and body will begin to subconsciously incorporate other alignments to compensate for all the inevitably missed shots. (Indeed, at 4:00 when he takes his final stroke, he appears to adjust his line away from the line he purports to be shooting based on BHE.) You're basically back to playing by feel (which, it could be argued, is the better approach anyway!). Don't get me wrong. Poolology clearly understands all these variables and brings them up in the video. ("Speed makes a difference." "Going to massé a bit." "Going to throw the object ball." "Find your bridge length.") But when he does, he doesn't explain how simple BHE is used to compensate for them all. Because it can't. He is just further adjusting his shot line for these additional variables based on feel and experience, not BHE. Still, it's an interesting approach worth further consideration. And some nice shots too! Thanks.
I would love to see the percentages of doing it either way i’ve always played with a wooden Shaft and use back in English now I’m playing with a low deflection carbon shaft and I haven’t quite settled into it what type of English or technique I want to use for the most consistency is definitely trial . back in the day a guy named Steve Cook he had talk to me about when you use inside English just aim for the spot on the object ball that you wanted to Hit do a parallel shift slow and soft speeds it seems to work pretty good but I’ve never really sat down and done the percentages if you want to pocket balls with English I think that’s probably a priority to understand is at 97% or 95% or even 70% accurate I’m sure the direction of Pool will be able to give us a definition the better and better people get
Best method is knowing where you want the ball to go, where to aim, and English to use all before you even get down into position and stroke. Then there's no need for backhand English or other "hacks"... You just have real skill
Makes sense. Kinda. I understand that when using the "original" backhand english your cue is crooked. If you come down on the shot with that line and your backhand is on the center of the cue ball and you're aiming the tip angled to a certain point on your object ball then yes its still backhand english and you are aiming it in your stance before going down on the shot. The cue is still crooked, however. Now, if you come down on the shot with english and your cue is in line with everything then it is no longer backhand english lol. In my opinion, you cannot use a true backhand english method without a crooked cue. Or maybe im just missing something. Sorry if i misunderstood.
Exactly -- backhand english will always have the cue angled or crooked from tour stance. But the cue is not crooked or off line when doing it as I'm suggesting/showing. What I'm showing is how to use backhand english to train your mind to recognize the aim line with english. In other words, use backhand english as a training tool that will eventually make it so you aren't using backhand english anymore. Like training wheels on a bike, once you develop the skills needed to ride the bike, you no longer need the training wheels.
@@Poolology101 Well training this way might work on some short shots (both cue ball to object ball and/or object ball to pocket). A line from center cueball to a point further out/in on a object ball will never be the same as that same point on the object ball to another point on the cueball obviously. Although you might pocket the ball because of the ease of the shot, maybe even pocket size or speed, the theory doesn't apply. If you come down straight on the shot with your english and speed in mind and your cue ligns up to a point on the object ball this is not necessarily the same point if you started center cue ball and applied backhand english. It'll work for easy shots for beginners if that's your intention. When I apply backhand english I tend to come down on the shot with a crooked cue and am aware of it, but I just trust it. I tend to use it more with a higher deflection cue.
@@jessesolorzano2646 there is definitely a learning curve when it comes to using backhand english with different variables, such as speed and distance between the balls. But the visual method I'm showing here still works with those variables. If you know how to effectively apply backhand english on a 6ft shot or 2ft shot, then you can easily pay attention (visually) to where the aim line is, where your cue is aligned. Then realign your body (feet, elbow, grip hand and shoulder) along that line. It's a great way to develop a good feel/eye for aiming with english.
Thanks for watching, but no need to call Stan Shuffett. I have zero interest in CTE. It's been around for 30+ years in one form or another, each person making their own version to get it working for them. After 30 years, 2 dvd's, hundereds of youtube clips and a big fat book, it seems the most proficient CTE players are those who actually took private lessons from Stan. So I'm sure he's a great instructor. Poolology has been around for 6 years, and there is only one version. It works right out of the box, no private lessons needed. Again, thanks for watching. I'm glad my channel provides you the opportunity of plugging/advertising for Stan Shuffett. You're doing a fine job. Have a Merry Christmas 🎅
?? The cb had right spin, inside english. The cb's path off the end rail shows inside spin was applied. The cb would've deflected wider with no inside spin to kill the angle some. Natural angle would've sent the cb toward the near side of the side pocket.
@@andrewcbuensalida yes, I probably used about 1 tip of top inside, which by the time the cb got to the rail, the inside spin wasn't as extreme, but none of that matters. What matters is visualizing what you want the cb to do, and then applying the spin needed to make that happen, which is exactly what happened with that particular shot. The distance from cb to cushion (after making contact with the ob) simply caused some of the spin to wear off. Thanks for watching. 😊
In some areas you are right BUT in some areas wrong. When you use inside spin you aim thicker but the cue ball will hit thinner because of deflection and the object ball will go in the right direction because of cut induced throw. When you use outside spin you aim thinner but the cue ball will hit thicker because of deflection and the object ball will go in the right direction because of spin induced throw. Inside spin = aim thicker Outside spin = aim thinner
It actually depends on the speed being used. A firm stroke with side spin will definitely deflect the cb in the opposite direction of the spin being applied, and ob throw will be minimal. But the same spin with a softer hit will have more cb swerve (slight massé) than deflection. And softer shots cause more ob throw. There's definitely no one-size-fits-all when it comes to using english. The speed and exact amount of spin being used determines whether or not you need to aim thinner or thicker to pocket the ball.
If first lining up for a center to center, no side spin shot, then while already down on the shot, apply bhe to the right, isn't that fine? I say that bc with CIT your original center to center line was maybe too thick, and with CIT you should probably hit this thinner. But with RT bhe the cb spins towards the pocket. And if you do what you say, get up and realign are you going to now make a thinner cut than center to center? See what I mean? And with RT bhe you might miss the pocket on your left, short rail side, no?
I did it that way for years, using bhe on certain shots. Eventually I got to thinking that CONSISTENCY should be the goal. That means using a consistent psr, a consistent setup, a consistent stance, and above all...a consistent cue delivery (stroke). Using backhand english does not reinforce consistent stroke mechanics. Sometimes the grip hand and forearm are angled in, and other times they're angled out. And it's not always the same offset or angle, due to varying amounts of english being applied on different shots. I prefer keeping the stroke as consistent as possible. If my cue delivery is on the correct line, then the ball hits the pocket. There is no quessing at just the right bridge length or bhe pivot to make it all work. The stroke is one consistent machine, and all I have to is place the machine in line for the shot.
