Literally, I found someone say something similar in the comment section and someone said it was a genre. Like what, Coraline scared me as a child and Shrek made me laugh. I mean yeah it might be harder to pull off some genre’s but I think it’s very much possible.
@@Reggie1408 To say animation is a genre means it has boundaries on what stories and themes it can tell. Which is not true. You could take almost any live action/Live Action and CGI and turn it into an animated film. You could create a detective film, a sci-fi film, a horror film, etc. with animation. Also, you cannot have dinosaurs in a sci-fi film. It doesn't make sense unless it is a crossover. What I'm trying to say is that animation can cover all genres and have unlimited themes and stories.
Going from The Emoji Movie to Into the Spider-Verse was a conplete 180°. Since Spider-Man is in Sony's hands now, I really hope they make a sequal that's just as good.
L00K without spoilers what’s the story and plot like? I fell in love with the art pallet and the 3D comic look but I wanna see the movie for more than just that
@@alexysese1437 well, long story short its about a wormhole thats opened beneath NYC and different spider-men arrive from different universes. It was a great movie, the visuals were masterful, the soundtrack was great and the story very appealing. Watch it when you get the chance you wont regret it :)
Don't dis "The Pirates" if you haven't seen it. It's by Aardman and it's a visually stunning stop-motion, with outstanding sets and character designs. :/
So I’m in animation student in college (scad) right now and a few weeks ago Blue Sky Studios came in to talk to us. For those of you who don’t know, Blue Sky does the ice age franchise and Ferdinand. Interestingly enough, they brought up this exact topic in their lecture. Apparently the company plans on doing more mature movies in the future, not mature as in adult humor but movies with a broader target audience. Though they’ll still be family movies, they want to make movies with exactly what you were talking about, emotional impact and complexity. In 2020 they will be releasing a film adaption of the webcomic “Nimona”, which though I haven’t read, is popular among my peers 18-20 year olds. So I have pretty high expectations! I think this is a good indicator of where the animation industry is moving as a whole, the people going into animation now are a generation of people who grew up watching Pixar, and even studio ghibli. The demand for more mature animation is clearly there, and the people who are making these films are passionate about it to.
I just hope that Disney doesn't end Blue Sky after the Fox deal. I'm a big fan of their movies but I feel the writing is their biggest weakness, so maybe focusing on a different audience is a chance for them to make it better
Erik Romão I suspect this change might actually be due to Disney! They mentioned the change is due to getting a new president in the past year. Which is is right around when Disney bought fox
I've learned not to be surprised by this mistake anymore. Disappointed, but not surprised. Most people hear the word "animation" and think it means "art style" or, in this case, "genre", when it's really just about the way something moves.
Bart Simpson Goat Bootleg how would they even know what anime is? Also if ya parent them right they’ll probably like the same stuff as you because that’s what you taught them
Actually Boss Baby is a very sophisticated film about how corporate American is seeping into family life & infecting our children. You have to have a high IQ to understand, luckily I watch Rick & Morty.
DynamitePenguins I find that funny because the Boss Baby is legitimately not a bad form of satire, and that's exactly what the plot relies upon. When you boil the movie down it's just a silly cartoon with Alec Baldwin playing exactly the same character he's always played for years, to the same dynamic of the business man to a dreamer. In the end good old Alec becomes a better person and the dreamer becomes rightfully sinical. And, this is a theme that's actually surprisingly prevalent in children's entertainment; because it works both as good comedy, as well as it offers an idea of a balanced set of morals.
Mr. Creamier Steamier Memeier I rather like Boss Baby, I don't think it needs a sequel or animated series but I feel the movie itself is a fun way to teach kids about balance. Kids through parents can get very focused and obsessive over things like school and such, while other kids might be infinite dreamers. Some kid movies like to focus on the latter being best, while Boss Baby shows both can exist and be good but also show that being too far into either mindset isn't ideal. So we get a movie about how both sides need each other and about that its okay to make sacrifices to your beliefs and still achieve your goals. Its no masterpiece but I do feel its better then most give it credit for. Certainly a better movie overall then Minions or Emoji movie.
Agreed. I'm not sure that Boss Baby was objectively a good film, but it was not the trash that everyone makes it out to be. It has a genuinely good message, but so much of the advertising, promotion, news, and discussion of the film focuses on the *first half* of the movie: the baby in a suit. And not so much on the *second half* where it gets serious.
Yeah, I went in with low expectation, and not having much better to do, and ended up pleasantly surprised. It's at the very least a very decent movie with a lot of really fun bit scattered through out, and good message when given a chance. And yeah, the first half is kinda what you expect going in, but once it really gets going with its plot its really enjoyable, it just takes maybe a bit too long to get to that point. These same conditions lead me to also enjoying Sing. Its not a great movie, but I feel it too deserves just a bit more respect then what it gets. Yes, the main story with Moon is kinda flat; Also the mouse is the worst character that really drags the movie down imo and never gets any real comeuppance; but everyone else is rather fun and charming with some nice stories of their own that I feel can appeal to multiple people. I think that's the biggest charm of the movie, its a movie with several nice messages that get just enough time to drive their points home without weighing anything down. Apparently Sing is getting a sequel as well, and yeah... I'll admit I want to see where some of these characters go. Which I suppose puts it above Boss Baby since I don't feel there is much more it really could do there without re-treading the basic ideas; Sing I feel still has places it can go with all its characters that I think there's enough story potential for a a fun and decent sequel.
The Pirates! In An Adventure with Scientists was a collaboration with Aardman Animation. It's a wonderful display of British humor, stop motion clay animation (which is even harder then traditional animation), and a wonderful adventure story for all ages. Yeah the message of the movie does kind boil down to "Don't be Greedy" but It is not Sony garbage!
@@creepycustard2383 Anything Aardman makes slaps! Don’t diss Aardman, Laika, or any other company that does stop motion! That shit takes so much time and talent!!
Genre dictates the content matter of a film - examples of these are dramas, comedies and thrillers. Animation isn't just one genre, it can be any genre. An animated film could be an R-rated horror film, or a documentary. The medium is the filmmaker's way of portraying a story. Just like animation, live-action is a medium, and is used to portray a variety of different stories. But animation is confined to such stereotypes pushed by the industry (and by audiences, to be fair) that many people call it a genre, because animated films normally portray wholesome family content. That's not necessarily a terrible thing, but it narrows the scope of what people expect from animation. Hope that clarifies things a bit! Brad Bird talks about this issue as well, if you want to look it up.
@@egtoonster Thanks for clarifying! 😁👍 It's strange how family animated movies nowadays are so formulaic with little variety, but adult animated movies have a lot of variety, while adult animated shows have little variety!
The Pirates is one of the best stop-motion films in my humble opinion. Very fluid animation, stunning attention to detail, appealing character designs, great action scenes, good comedy. The fact you put it in the same category as The Smurfs or Open Season is a blasphemy, partner...
I also really miss hand drawn movies. Since CGI is so much easier and cheaper it sucks that we only get hand drawn animated movies from like Japan or something. Last year the best animated movie was definitely Your Name. But since it's strictly Japanese and indie no one knew it existed
24 Frames Of Nick I wouldn't strictly call it indie, it had a huge theatrical release in Japan. But yeah in the west... very limited. I was kinda sad it didn't get nominated for an Oscar, even though it's still in my backlog, it seemed like it deserved a spot for its impact on pop culture and just how big it was. But no the old guys at the Academy are too busy snorting crack off of their bribed gold bars to care... that one article that came out a few years ago talking about how most of them don't even watch any of the selected animated movies... yikes.
Two problems with this video: 1. Ignoring the fact that the Oscars also nominated Loving Vincent and Breadwinner that year. Both high-quality animated films aimed principally at adults. I assume the author hasn't seen them. 2. Saying Pirates was a bad film. It was produced by Aardman - home of intelligent animation, not referenced in this video. Pirates was hilarious. 86% on Rotten Tomatoes.
I have the same two problems with this video. And Aardman movies are indeed great. They had and still have an impact on many children (young me included).
Yes, criticizing Pirates! seemed very ignorant. It's like he didn't watch the film at all and didn't even know what it was and who made it, and just criticized it because of the title.
Mark Redd I mean a trailer or the concept doesn’t necessarily represent the quality of the film. For example, Suicide Squad looked promising from the trailers yet it sucked, the idea of the Angry Birds getting a movie is utterly asinine but it was actually decent, etc.
JamesJett No you are absolutely right. Like I said we can’t know in every case. I guess my main point is that, culturally speaking, we have to stop accepting garbage films as “good enough for kids”. And maybe set higher standards for ourselves as well. I don’t know, I’m not pretending to have all the answers here. The original point still stands that these films will not stop being made until we stop going to see them.
Cars had a big impact on me. Some hotshot who acts selfish and better than everyone gets thrown into the real world and stays in a worn-down but still wonderful small town in the middle of nowhere and he learns many lessons about community and family. He finds love with Sally and learns to not judge a book by its cover with Mator.
@@tubester358 XD yep. Overachieving I's a real thing and sometimes can be bad when you try to hard. It is very true that the best things have little/no thought and come naturally.
I think he's confused. These are "animated films" not "animation". Animation is the process of creating the moving stuff on screen.... not the movie itself.
*Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere.* I'll never forget this line from Ratatouille. Still my most favourite film up till date.
For what it's worth, I really enjoy The Pirates: Band of Misfits. I think it teaches several great lessons: 1. Don't try to be something you aren't. 2. Be loyal to the people who love you for who you are. 3. Everyone deserves happiness no matter how "weird" they are. 4. You can't always trust authority figures. Maybe nostalgia goggles for Wallace and Gromit are influencing my opinion, but Pirates is one of my favorites!
I feel that part of why so many people will so easily dismiss animation is because of how often they think off it as a genre instead of a medium. Because they associate it with being for children they often don't stop to actually see what it is, not a way to attract an audience, but a way to convey a message just like any other entertainment medium.
HOWEVER, there are certain options inherent to the medium which thereby often gives it certain traits, which makes it a genre like you could call zombiemovies a genre even though there's many options with that too...
Darqoni you could film a zombie movie traditionally, you could make a zombie comic, you could make a zombie animation. I don’t think they’re quite the same.
That is the thing. Animation is more or less a child's entry point into watching movies. If they are been raised by generic movies, then they might grow up not caring about the quality of non-animated movies that are presented to them. It's an endless cycle. Bad animated movies spawn the next generation of bad movies.
If you want to show incredible filmmaking to a child, show them Fantastic Mr. Fox (Wes Anderson is one of the best film directors of the modern age (in my opinion)) or Ratatouille (That film is just really good, I don’t really have anything else to say)
Trash Theory, nonsense. pure drivel. emotional connection will win out and what connects a 4 year old should seem banal to an adult. a kid laughing their arse off at smurfs or chipmunks will create an emotional connection to film. if that person seeks more meaning and better quality as they age then great, and there may be the next great director/writer/performer/producer. stop watching kids films or discover context as a lens.
Just gonna say that I think your dismissal of “the pirates, in an adventure with scientists” was unwarranted, I thought it was a pretty good film with the message of blindly following your goals can have negative side affects
right!!!! & open season. like it doesnt have to teach you a lesson AND be funny. it can just be funny. imagine thinking shrek is good & teaches you a lesson, when its humor is nearly all fart jokes.
I feel a film has to be made in America and major English speaking countries like the UK, Canada, or Australia (Mostly America); or a Japanese animated film to even have a ghost of a chance of being recognized. All other countries seem to not exist.
I agree, I dont understand the hatred there. Aardvark is one of the only studio's with their own unique sense of humor, vision and originality. Without them, I feel the art of clay animation would have died out completely. Really Karsten, did you even watch it?
I suspect he didn't actually watch the movie. Just made an assumption and tried to get away with listing inferior films without having seen all of them.
- "the animation genre" - ignores The Breadwinner - apparently it's okay that we ignore the huge potential of animation and only make kids movies as long as they're good kids movies? okay
Almie yeah see, I get the feeling that the uploader doesn't have a lot of knowledge about animated films outside of the animated films that are given massive advertising budgets which makes the video hypocritical and uniformed.
Godamn, i was hoping someone would point out that terrible disregard of The Breadwinner, specially while fucking praising Shrek, give me a godamn break.
Calm the fuck down people. The video has its shortcomings, but this particular moment is hardly one of them. He specifically states: the movie with *MAINSTREAM* appeal. Neither Loving Vincent nor The Breadwinner fit under this cathegory. Why don't you listen to what's actually being said next time instead of instantly writing a misinformed hate comment?
The point is not the innacuracy, it's the fact that he chooses to only focus on animation with "mainstream appeal". If the whole point of the video is to stop supporting bad animation, why ignore some excellent animation that has come out recently, while in the same sentence complaining about lack of good animation? Lack of mainstream appeal is not an excuse.
did you really just say that "Loving Vincent" wasn't a notable movie? I mean, the movie made with more than 120 painters, every frame of the hour and a half long movie being an entire painting?
Nico F. What I can say about this movie is that it needed a lot of hard work to make, I appreciate that, but it couldn't match Animations like Coco with all other aspects.
I don't think he was saying that the movies up there were bad. I mean, if you watch "Bread Winner" it's a fantastic movie. His point was that it didn't appeal to all audiences. So the thing about these two movies is that it wasn't a family movie that all ages could enjoy. A kid would find both "Bread Winner" and "Loving Vincent" very boring.
Of the Oscar nominations, another very impressive and impactful film was ‘the breadwinner’ which is a 2d animated film set in taliban-occupied Afghanistan. It’s definitely worth a watch or even a quick google search.
A lot of beautiful animated films are produced every year. There are festivals for animated films which are packed with quality films. It's just that they don't find proper distribution/marketing and attention goes all to the big studios crap. This year a gorgeous little film called "Weekends" got nominated for best animated short. But of course the award went to the Pixar one. I'm not saying "Bao" was bad, because it wasn't, but it's become almost comical how the Oscars for animation (both feature and short) are predictable. Some indie jewels just don't any attention and distribution.
If you watched Toy Story or Toy Story 2 as a young kid, you might have been in college or almost in college by the time Toy Story 3 came out, which is pretty nice timing.
Pirates! Band of Misfits is actually a fantastic movie. It’s by Aardman animation, whose films are always great. I have no idea what Sony had to do with it.
its not a genre, its a medium. nothing is filmed and you dont need a computer. guys have made animated films with a knife edge to a roll of unrecorded celluloid film. By perpetuating it as a genre of film, its medium limitations will remain to film instead of its own medium limitations which differ from live action which generates the majority of genre types. also fuck the oscars, thats just the disney-pixar award. start promoting cannes, SxSW, Sundance, or your local film fests; drop the oscars, where their panel only watches what gets pushed to their desk in dvd quality, and who limit one film per nonUSA nation, so if korea makes their 5 best films, only one gets application. plus, all foreign animated films struggle too. The Breadwinner was the only film nominated from that year, even though theyre different mediums.
I think it's interesting that you say that because I know that Brad Bird once said in an interview, “People think of animation only doing things where people are dancing around and doing a lot of histrionics, but animation is not a genre. And people keep saying, ‘The animation genre.’ It’s not a genre! A Western is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids’ fairy tale. But it doesn’t do one thing. And, next time I hear, ‘What’s it like working in the animation genre?’ I’m going to punch that person!” Thinking about it as a medium (which it is) means that people would see animation as a different way to tell the story that they want to tell; a new way to express it. It can do so much that live-action can't but much of that remains unexplored except for in the odd cases like with Brad Bird, Wes Anderson and Hayao Miyazaki. It's one of the greatest unknown territories in cinema that for children, adolescents and adults alike can be an extraordinarily powerful medium to tell a story through/with.
jay folk Seeing the Oscar voters’ comments on the animation selections from a few years back made me incensed. Many of the comments blatantly said that they didn’t see any of the animation selections.
The title triggers me. Most films have great animation. It's the storytelling, writting, world building, and overall economic strategeis of film studios that you have an issue with. C- until you fix your title. Have it by my desk by next week.
honestly, I grew up around some of the best animated movies like finding nemo or ratatouille. I admire them quite a bit, and they are also absolutely beautiful. I am pretty sad that 2D animation is slowly declining... I don’t think I’ve heard of a good 2D animated movie this year. Disney’s older animated movies like The Little Mermaid or Mulan were things that I wanted to create too. I wish that studios would start doing 2D animated movies more :”(
cactie I agree. Growing up with The Lion King, The Land before Time, older Pixar films, and Disney classics makes me wish for a 2D - especially hand drawn - renaissance. I find that people today are too focused on spontaneous action, fast paced visuals, and not enough on good work like with the time it takes to make good movies like they used to. Even though everyone will dismiss this idea as "nostalgia" or holding on to old ideas, I think it's critical that children especially nowadays exposed to more internet media than ever, grow up with meaningful films and animated works, not a couple of highly repulsive minion fart jokes or boss baby hype because of a baby in a suit.
cactie In Sweden where i live there are actually still studios that make 2d animated movies and show it in theaters. One example of this is the animated kids film called Gordon and Paddy. So yeah there are still studios outside of japan that make 2d animated movies that are shown in theaters it's just not as common anymore.
Loving Vincet was more of a hommage film to Van Gogh than an animated film like a stop motion Tim Burton film, or a Pixar/Dreamworks film. It's not what the Video Poster is talking about.
hyper nick i was scared the first couple times i watched it, the style of the animals and the atmosphere (to me at the time) was so unsettling to me as a young child lmao :')
Quality animated films and series: Kung Fu Panda How to Train Your Dragon The Lego Movie Into the Spiderverse Most of Pixar's films Rest of the Industry: Oh, parents just need something to distract their kids! Let's make almost literal crap because its cheaper! :^(
The real quality animated movies: Blood:The last vampire animated version (17+) Kung Fu panda (3+) Akira (some seems are really messed up) Ghost in The Shell (17+) BoBoiBoy the movie (ok) Stardust Crusaders MA NO OMAKE
Most of the movies talked about here aren't really "bad animation." Mediocre maybe, but not "bad." That goes to stuff like Foodfight. Also, I unironically adored watching Robots as a kid. It's one of my fond nostalgic memories today honestly.
i think he views it through the lens of mediocrity being less valuable than something being bad. I mean, you can learn from bad things, when attention is called to it, it's a warning for others to not do the same. But in the case of mediocrity, people just don't really talk about it that much, and we all just kind of sweep it under the rug and forget about it, like it never happened
Over the Hedge is a movie that really impacted me growing up, and I rewatched it recently. Some of the scenes hit hard now that I'm an adult who actually knows what's going on. It is incredibly well written and underrated... I wonder why it didn't get as much acclaim as Madagascar and other contemporaries :(
when i was a kid all i learned from that movie is that if you open a cheese dorito bag a nuclear cheese explosion happens but now as a 21 year old guy i learned that you need to kill every single rodents in a residential area as soon as possible
Kind of weird that you didn't once mention or even show a clip of Loving Vincent or The Breadwinner, the OTHER 2017 Oscar-nominated Animated Features that are basically everything you're talking about (lovingly crafted, made for more than just cheap kid's entertainment). It points to a lack of actual research into the topic, reinforced by hugely dismissive statements like "What the fuck is Pirates?" (Which, for the record, is an extremely well-made Aardman-animated stop-motion film beloved by critics and audiences that failed to be successful because of poor marketing). Next time, I recommend taking a little more time when making video essays like this, because "We should make more good animated movies instead of bad animated movies, btw I haven't watched most of these movies" isn't very compelling. This sort of thing usually doesn't bug me, but it kind of has to be pointed out when someone quite literally makes a video about how we shouldn't ignore well-made animated movies that ignores well-made animated movies.
Couldn't agree more. I just stopped the video when he showed the nominees but started talking about Coco but not Breadwinner and Loving Vincent. They both were great.
You know what Minions did for my 3 year old? Introduced her to music from the 60's that she's never heard before in her life. Allowed her to recognize physically expressed emotions and plot without needing to understand the minion gibberish language. Even gave her a geography lesson because she has pointed out London sites to me in other shows. I asked her how she knew that and she said she saw it in the movie! There's more that kids latch onto and need from animated movies than sophisticated, original stories. She also throughly enjoys Fantastic Mr. Fox, Wall-E, and other amazing movies that will even satisfy adult tastes in film. But kids also need to see the silly and outrageous for developing creativity, just as much as they need to get messy with finger paint and not just learn to color inside the lines all the time.
Yeah this video discounts kids’ experiences with these movies and that what appeals to kids may not always appeal to adults. From Disney sitcoms to 4kids anime dubs, everyone grew up with something that may not appeal to an adult but may have a profound impact on its target demographic. When an adult says The Boss Baby is bad because I think it looks stupid, that only applies to how adults see it and in my opinion the adult opinion is not the defining factor of whether or not a movie aimed at children is terrible. This guy maybe didn’t see kids laugh and tear up during The Boss Baby but I did, and that is more valuable than a random adult’s take, in my opinion.
@@kirby-rh5js Hell, my parents thought the Spy Kids were fucking stupid when I was younger. They told me multiple times when I put in the DVD player to watching something better.
You need to change your title. You are criticizing storytelling, not animation. And your claims seem a little... subjective. On top of that you don't offer any supporting evidence as to why the storytelling is bad in the movies that you point out other than, "I think it's kinda stupid." Having taken a class on analysis of children's literature, I think it's extremely unfair of you to make the claims that the movies you pointed out have bad storytelling without at least diving into analysis of a basic plot summary for each. The amount of views and the like ratio on this ill-researched all-opinion video concerns me.
This video is garbage honestly, although the concepts of Boss Baby, Angry Birds, etc seem ridiculous they DO have an underlying message that they tell, which literally is the opposite of what the video is claiming, which is that they're just goofy bad comedies with no plot or message. And they are pretty positive messages (boss baby is about family and love, angry birds is about like friendship / loneliness and not being a grump). This guy is literally just appealing to the popular culture bashing of these movies just because of their names, basically. It's like he didn't even see the movies and is just saying their names are stupid and the concept is ridiculous. ALSO the animation in those movies is amazing... And I love how he bashed the idea of them making a movie with Mario when there isn't even a slight CONCEPT of what the story might be out there yet, which completely goes against his POINT in the video because he's judging a book by the cover. What a horrible video.
Luca I vehemently disagree. Sure, they do have a story. But they’re extremely basic, and lazy. Anyone can pull “friendship is magic” out of the plot bin and copy paste it into the script. No sane man on the planet Earth will say any of them have good stories. Their message is good, but that part is pretty hard to fuck up. You need to actively try to give your movie a bad message, and it’s not like these movies tried on any front. Oh, and they did make a movie with Mario. Guess what? It was pretty shit.
@@sharkymcsnarkface6642 What Luca was referring to, was the _upcoming_ Mario film, and for some reason, Karsten is slamming it, despite there being no official details on it's plot. He could've made a point by speculating it's plot, but he seems to hastily hate the idea right away. I know the 1993 Mario movie was god-awful, but that was a combination of a duo-director team who were at throats with each other, which produced a horrible plot and terrible script, no one from Nintendo directly overseeing production, and no faithful adaptation to the source material. Three issues that most likely will not occur with the upcoming film, as Shigeru Miyamoto, the father of Mario, confirmed that he will be head of the project.
He's criticising the messages of these movies. Someone else who replied to you made a point about how these movies do have morals, which is what I think you're getting at. However, these movies don't have important messages. A message doesn't matter when it's something so basic and lazy as "be yourself" "family is good". Anyone can do that. But a good moral is for example, Fantastic Mr. Fox, that being not everything turns out to be your perfect little dream and that nothing comes from nothing. I personally have become a subtly different person than I was after I saw that movie. But the Boss Baby is not going to have an impact on me. I know family's important, everyone says it all the time: because it's easy. You don't need to do research on this topic, it's simple knowledge. You can't just say a message, you have to make it mean something, to make them care.
Beta Sword I think what Karsten was saying is that corporations are just luring kids to the theaters, without much thought or soul put into the actual movie. The emoji movie, angry birds, or the Mario movie are obvious money grabs. A movie about a rat learning to cook in Paris is a bigger risk that is less likely to get kids to come and see it.
Video essays is a format that suggest us that the content creator knows what he is saying. I have an impression that your video doesn't live up to that. 1. Animation is not a genre. It is a medium. You cannot tell me that Coco, Loving Vincent, Wall-E and Sausage bloody Party are the same genre. They do not tell stories on similar topics, do not have the same themes and do not have similar aesthetics. They belong to different genres. The only thing shared is the medium. You also seem to treat animated films like a 'kids genre' which is worse. 2. You haven't seen Pirates! and you count it as trash, you judgemental bastard (jk, I don't insult people, I'm a good person). Pirates! is brilliant. Not a masterpiece but extremely enjoyable silly fun. I haven't seen Boss Baby and Surfs Up and emoji and I am almost sure I won't like but I'm not the one doing the essey about animation. And I have actually read the premises and reviews and trailers. 3. You doesn't really tell us why you think these films are bad. I have never seen the Boss Baby but the premise seems that it is about a kid who is getting used to being a brother. Told in a silly way to make kids understand and identify with the situation. It is important for them. The movie probably tells a story with a moral too. 3. At the end you forgot about Laika and Ghibli. You remembered Sony and forgot about Laika. How. 4. (nitpicking) The animation of the Boss Baby seems good, better-than-average good. Maybe the storytelling or the tone aren't. But there are another words for that. Not the best choice of words in the title. To sum up you need to know what you are saying and need to do a research to make a video. And watch the stuff you talk about.
I enjoyed the boss baby more than I expected. I'd still consider it pandering and it gets a lot of mileage out of baby jokes. It's worth criticizing, but you're right, there is a moral and a takeaway and people are maybe a little too quick to bash it
-Title of the video is Bad Animation -Expect a video talking about bad animation in animated movies -Its just a guy bitching that there’s some bad animated movies every year and doesn’t know anything about good and bad animation The title should be “stop supporting bad animated movies”. Boss Baby and Ferdinand had good animation, but bad stories.
@@snowpawzvideos Having a different animation style is not bad animation. Boss Baby's animation still has it's animation moving the story forward. So there is nothing wrong with Boss Baby's animation. Not everything needs too look and feel like Pixar creates their films. If the world of the characters is stale, non expressive and lacks personality, then it's bad animation according to an animator.
Wait but why’d you gloss over Loving Vincent? a movie animated with oil paints about an insane man’s death and his descent to it? It’s not as family friendly as the others, but it’s a huge accomplishment in the art world. Coco is great, I just think Loving vincent deserves some...well.. love.
He specifically said “mainstream appeal” when talking about Coco. He wasn’t discounting the other nominees as not good, he was just neglecting them because as movies from smaller studios most moviegoers won’t know them
auf wiedersehen! Aizvainia But he was only talking about major studios during that and his point was that some major studios aren’t churning out quality products (which imo is a bit debatable)
this is just my opinion, but this is probably why I like the Lego Batman movie so much. It's crazy, and goofy as heck. It's funny, it has endless references, and has a great tone. But, alongside it, it shows the importance of Having a family, whether it be your real family, or just your close friends. A movie can be really funny and goofy, as well as have a really nice message.
Is it really? I recall thinking the ending of The Lego Movie with Will F in the end being a hog to his own toys and im like HOLY SHIT my 18 year old brain fucking exploded that the entire movie had to do with a real life situation.
I unfortunately still haven't seen the original Lego movie. The only reason I was able to watch Lego Batman was because it was one of the movies avaliable on a plane flight I went on last summer.
Da Nintendude The original Lego Movie was surprisingly good. I was told it was a good movie, but it definitely exceeded my expectations. You should totally see it if you have time :)
I was born in 2003, but I remember 2009 being an exceptional year for me because it was the first time I went to the cinema! (I was 5-6 years old.) There was The Princess and The Frog, Ponyo, Summer Wars, Mary and Max, 9, Coraline, Up, etc! Obviously, I didn't watch Mary and Max or 9 because I was too young, but it was a great year!
@@nightbuds4483 I agree. It was definitely a high point for animated movies. In fact, there's a video I recommend: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4sJnH1V1rvM.html Give me your thoughts once you've seen it.
I used to really like it as a kid, I'd sing it's song all the time as a kid. Now, I look back at it, and I realize that...the animation was...not good.
I get your point, but I feel like it ultimately dwindles to "My generation was better. Kids today will never blah blah blah" Yeah there are some trash ass movies out today, but bad movies were around when we were kids too. Children today have the chance to see some good animation: Moana, Coco, Finding Dory, Toy Story 4, The Incredibles II, Kubo, Inside Out, Zootopia, Wreck It Raph, and many more. P.S. I actually really liked Shark Tale
I agree and disagree, there are a number of good animations that are available today, true. I, too, remember the early 2000's and how awful most kid-friendly films were back then. i.e. Spy Kids, Shark Tale, The Chipmunks, etc etc. However, I maintain that Finding Dory was a movie that presented so many double standards it hurt to watch and had points that were sad for the sake of being sad, and Sharktale was "entertaining" for the time but remains one of the most dated, cringe inducing, and plot-hole filled animations I've ever seen.
For a video essay, you're a bit misguided. This isn't bad "animation", these are bad "animated movies" in your opinion. I for one enjoyed boss baby (surprisingly). Thought it was going to be way worse but it was actually ok. I'm sorry, the only notable film is Coco? Have you even watched the breadwinner?? Or how Loving Vincent was painted by hand frame by frame?
I also really dislike the "movies in my age were better" sentiment, because that's just completely wrong. Just in the past few years we've had movies like Coco, Moana, Inside Out, Zootopia, How to Train Your Dragon, plus many more. All of these movies I would argue tackle new topics that haven't been touched before. Like Coco and Moana both discuss the issues of family vs. personal ambition, while wrapping them in cultures that have rarely been featured in films to date. Zootopia talked about racism and discrimination, something that has never really ever been featured in family movies, and Inside Out talks about the importance of and complexity of human emotions in a way that is more nuanced than ever before.
I know Coco was hands down the best animated movie, but you’re very wrongfully looking over Breadwinner as an animation that was nominated the same year. There’s also countless other animations that go unnoticed. The issue, in my mind, doesn’t come with the fact that we fund and propagate comedy garbage animation, but rather that we ignore impactful animation done by indie movements and don’t give them our money instead. Just look outside of the mainstream and you’ll find more to support, companies won’t change if they’re just about making money.
Well, he specifically said "with mainstream appeal". Whether or not The Breadwinner was great, it wasn't exactly a theater juggernaut like any of the other nominees were.
Okay I agree with almost all of this but the pirates film was fucking great since the animation was done by aardman studios that created Wallace and Gromit. Lots of smart well timed jokes and strong stopmotion animation
@@cookimaus1 no, they think peoples personalification of art is greater than artwork ....itself Imagine if you draw an amazing artwork regarding an opinion which other people disagrees.. they will not appreciate it despite being good ...
