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Long time fan from the big site days, love and miss the crossovers, going to watch FB and Linkara next Thanks for the smiles, you bring joy to so many people !

hell killer croc would have fit in perfectly in this story, make him an obscure mob boss who hides out in the old zoo because of his appearance, he manipulates max and garners sympathy from the people via manipulation while robbing them blind and plotting to destroy the city that rejected him when he was born, ignoring his origin slightly for movie purposes but still

The part where he glides on his bat shaped glider over the people being terrorized by bats is kind of funny. I mean, watching this happen would be hysterical. Lady falls onto the switch, unleashing a shitload of bats, and as everyone freaks out and panics, batman flies above them, like he's their king or something. Imagine switching him out with someone completely insane, shouting obscenities and telling his children, the bats, to feed

6:31 Maybe the penguins escape the zoo, and decided to live in the sewers as they had no where to go back home.

In Tim Burton’s defence you only showed his modern films, the first ones he made were dark and light, scary but also charming, and show how death is ok and the afterlife can be quirky and kind of fun. That’s a message families need more these days, it’s another way of thinking that I love.

I love how Matt Reeves took that part with the eyeshadow and just went with it when Batman takes off his mask in The Batman.

The Gotham tv show has the Best Penguin don't @ me

Batman Returns was my favorite movie.I had it on vhs and was always having it play while I was doing random staff

I know it's an old review, but it felt so good to hear Sage express exactly the same opinion I have of Tim Burton at the beggining, right down to every con I think when I think of Burton.

Batman is not just two but THREE roles. The bat itself, Bruce Wayne's idiot playboy millionaire public persona and the REAL Bruce, the tortured soul trying to keep himself from falling apart at the seams.

Did Bennett just say that Batman Forever is better than Batman Returns? Was he high?

I think the 1989 Batman movie is much better than its sequels.

you think they know the movie was SUPPOSED to show that a lot of batman victories are more "bitter sweet" than "Happily ever after"?

I feel Batman Returns is underrated. Yeah it's dark and messed up but I actually DO think that's the best part about it, plus I kind of like the Penguin's origin story, oh and Christopher Walken is terrific as usual.

Points taken, yet i still like this movie, simply because i found it entertaining. Penguin might have been off from the original comics but Danny DeVito was so entertaining in this role that i don't care. What bad can you say about Christopher Walken as an evil business man. Batman using stupid gadgets to thwart the villains' plans? Yes, because we have NEVER seen that before. Does Batman always has to have something deep to contemplate over? Can't he just be Batman sometimes without some deeper thoughts? The way i understood it, the zoo was closed and abandoned, leaving the penguins to roam free, also in the sewers. You actually CAN have your villain be sinister and tragic at the same time. Loki (MCU), Lord Shen (Kung Fu Panda 2), Clyde Shelton (Law Abiding Citizen), Twoface (The Dark Knight),.... I don't mind Burton's dark tone. However if you don't like it, there is not much to persuade you. I always thought Batman's "kills" to be cartoonish. Like the guy with the bomb or the burning flame-blower were not actually dead but really messed up. Wasn't it always some mystery, if Catwoman actually WAS revived through supernatural powers or just survived? I like how the movie never makes that clear and always keeps you guessing if it was supernatural or not. Half of what makes Batman interesting are his villains. Therefore i don't mind if he has less screentime when three villains are doing interesting stuff. Granted, the story was a bit of a mess. Again, three villains and a hero with a romance to one of them to juggle. The movie was so entertaining overall that i didn't mind.

I love this movie. I do understand why some people hate it but that so MANY people hate it is a bit of a shock. Granded, Batman Returns was the first Batman film I've ever seen so that might affect to my judgement but still, even how critically I try to watch it these days I still like the hell out of it. :)

I live in Swindon, I'm already fucked. That's the town's motto isn't it?

Tim Burton is kinda like Scott Cawthon. Each have a unique style and can be very creative. but their styles and creativeness loses its taste after an over exposure of it

A businessman running for mayor? Next you'll be telling me a businessman will be running for presid--duh, oh right... We already made that mistake, and are regretting it.

Hold on a minute, Bennett came to England, yet he wasn't nice enough to visit me.

I think Linkara’s assessment of the film’s villains is my favorite take that elevates Bruce as a character in this film: The villains are a piece of him personified. Penguin is the tragedy. Shreck is the man. Selina is the mask. All three make up parts of Bruce, the Penguin being the consuming anguish of one’s past, Shreck being a person of wealth that abuses his power for his own gain (something arguable seeing as he uses his family’s wealth to fund his crusade as Batman), and Selina the struggle between one life and the other. It’s almost as if the movie is Bruce being stuck alone with himself, which is fitting considering how the film starts. It’s not a perfect film by any means and I do prefer Batman 89’ overall, but I can’t deny that there are some fascinating ideas at play with some good performances and memorable moments to back up what I think to be a pretty good CBM.

If this is bad, then I consider this a guilty pleasure

Does Tim Burton have a screaming woman fetish? He did it with both his Batman love interests!

I think FB really nailed why the movie doesn't work at it's core - as much as I love Danny DeVito as Penguin, something about his character just always felt wrong and I couldn't quite place why exactly. On repeat viewings, I do keep wanting to sympathize with him (like most of Burton's outcasts) even as the movie insists he is irredeemably bad. The more I think about it, the more I conclude that he would've been much better as an original character in a wholly different film - one where he doesn't *have* to be a villain with zany megalomaniacal murder schemes who fights a masked hero. (I did want to smack Sage throughout the whole video, though.)

Who else would love if sewer penguins were real?

In defense of the Catwoman origin, people who develop multiple personality disorder like Selina Kyle have been known to spontaneously learn things with new personas they couldn't do before, like speak a different language, so I guess learning kung fu out of nowhere isn't THAT unrealistic...not defending surviving the 100 story free fall though!

Sitting in a dark room, he's trying to reenact Fant4stic. Anyway, he was already killing the original.

The original 1989 Batman is one of my personal favorite movies of all time. Batman Returns, while not one of my favorites, I personally really enjoy as a film. I like how gritty the film is. I like the depressing atmosphere and the bitter sweet ending. Is it perfect. Not in the slightest but I enjoy it nonetheless. Kind of a guilty pleasure.

This movie is still better Batman movie than Batman and Robin

13:25 The reason that Batman is not in much is because this movie is more about the villains then the hero

I don't like this movie. It's filled with so many subplots that it's hard to tell who the villain really is, the tone is all over the place, and Batman is barely in it.

I always thought Batman Forever was underrated, thanks to B&R's awfulness overshadowing it. Also, much of the flaws of the Schumacher movies can be blamed on witless studio executives

"Why would the Zoo connect to the sewer?" ...because Gotham :|

Everyone's reaction to this movie: What the hell was that?

I honestly don't understand the hate Hudson Hawk gets. Maybe I'm alone in this but it hits my sense of humor spot on. Friends and I still quote it to each other to this day

While this isn't anything near the level of batman(1989) I wouldn't consider it a bad movie, in fact I don't consider batman forever a bad movie either(it's decent) but don't worry I still hate batman and Robin.

I was never a fan of this movie, either. And I love dark movies. The problem is that this movie isn't consistent with its tone, it tries to overplay its villains in the most over-the-top way and at the same time tries to make The Penguin sympathetic, the results being more comical than anything else. There are worse Burton movies out there, but I think that he's done much better than this.

This movie's biggest problem is a lack of focus on why there's a giant pole in the Batmobile.

This review taught me that even though Sage is the Devil, Film Brain trumps Satan and made old Mephiles his bitch.

33:09 lol...that was the best reaction XD

It always annoyed me that the Red Triangle Gang worked for the Penguin, instead of the Joker in the first movie. Why put so much emphasis on clown/circus goons when that has nothing to do with the Penguin? And it was weird that the movie kept referring to them as an "underground crime gang" like they were the mafia or something. It would have made more sense if Penguin's goons WERE akin to the mafia, rather than silly circus freaks.

24:52 grandmaster batman in the house

The funniest thing about this film is that Christopher Walken's character (whose name is similar to Shrek, which is hilarious) is an OC, as in, not on the comics at all, he's a fabrication for this movie.

The Burton Batman films influenced the Batman Animated Series . And this movie still has the best Catwoman on film.

2:20 have you ever seen Beatlejuice, Edward scissorhands, or sleepy hollow, big fish?

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I can't take any sentence that has the name "Shrek" seriously lol. I know it's not intentional, but damn it's funny to listen to.

Say what you will about this movie: I use it when defending *Suicide Squad* by pointing out Max Shreck's actions in the climax. In NO way was he a good man; But him offering himself in the place of Chip earned him some respect from me. Bottom line: *Evil people can have loved ones, too. Doesn't change who they are or what they did.*

6:11 and that was the first time Paul Reubens abandons Oswald...

the look on film Brain and Bennett the sage faces at 18:13 is priceless.

If you took Pfeiffer out of the movie it would ONLY affect Shreck's death at the end!

there is also a scrapped plot about Max and Penguin, basically it would be that they were long lost brothers

Awesome that Pee Wee Herman came back in the television series Gotham as cobblepot's father once again! Creating although not a direct connect but definitely a base point for the DC Cinematic Universe just like Marvel having Agents of Shield wtf

Penguin's mom is Diane Salinger, not Sandra Bernhard.

Returns is better than 89.

As long as Doug Walker isn’t in the review as well as his shadows, I’m good with the review

17:58 And what's with the lady and her pet chihuahua anyway?

Bad movie? Batman Returns is a master piece. Ahead of it's time.

This movie is hilarious

I agree that it’s not a misunderstood masterpiece but I wouldn’t necessarily call it bad either.

Years late, but since the zoo is clearly abandoned and in disrepair, the sewer penguins are logically former zoo penguins who migrated to the sewer as the building crumbled. Though that invites the question about what kind of monster abandons penguins (and likely other animals) as they close and abandon the zoo?! And why is Gotham's infrastructure so bad that the zoo wasn't reclaimed and the sewer system maintained?!

Because Batman Returns is my all time favorite Batman movie I disagree with both FilmBrain and Bennett. Then again it helps that I know about golden age Batman so I accept things like Batman killing. Besides Burton might not understand Batman but he sure as hell understands Batman more than Nolan does.

Funny thing is I saw this in the theatre when I was 6.

Batman returns is really creepy

It should be mentioned that cats don't actually have 9 lives, that's just a myth.

Bad movie? You call a movie with great performances, art direction and cinematography bad? You are sooo wrong. And here are some answers to your nitpicks: 1) Wayne is sitting there, doing nothing, because he has nothing else to do, Batman is all he is now, lost, stuck in a loop of violence. 2) They changed Penguin and Catwoman, because all three villains are supposed to represent different sides of Batman/Wayne (monster, vigilante and powerful mogul) Plus original Penguin is a boring character lacking any depth. 3) Yes, Bruce Wayne, a vigilante who has killed tells Selina about justice, because he knows where revenge leads and doesn't want her to end up like him. 4) Yes, the climax is cruel and bitter, because it supposed to be. This movie is about failure, about people who unable to change. You know like real people in real life! 5) It is a Batman movie. Same way Schumacher's movies are Batman movies, and Nolan's movies are Batman movies. Ever heard about creative license? Did you know that there are same amount of nitpicks about Nolan's Dark Knight? Is that a bad movie? Nope.

17:36 that’s really fucking stupid... a dog catching a batarang? C’mon!

And another thing Sage. I love Prince's songs on Batman and they're not stupid.

Still one of the most messed up Christmas movies ever.

Say whatever you want about this flick: Danny Devito as the Penguin is some of the best casting that has ever and will ever happen.

Billy Dee Williams asked for a higher salary for the sequel which they didn't want to do. Catwoman shocking Shreck in the face was how Dent would have turned into Two Face.

whats up with people from ThatGuywiththeglassess been incredibly good to be creepy when neeeded? Nostalgia Critic, Linkara, Bennet and now FIlm Brain? How you do it and where do i sign

Huge fan Film Brain, unfortunately tho, by what it seems Bennett is not a fan of cinematography, or art for that matter. He kind of drops the video dead to me. His criticisms are out out context, he has this opposition towards "Point of View" and "Angle" and I don't think he has ever visited a museum. If you like comics/art, it is not just about the writing, but by what you see. Benett makes fun of Walken's wig? Are you serious? I bet he despises Hitchcock, Orson Welles, or even frigin German Expressionism because they're too "artsy" and "stylized". At least they had a personality and were not robots.

Also Their was a batman. The animated series episode called Birds of a Feather that did something with the penguin. Made him sympathetic, but later on, he goes back being a villian.

God, the Seal outro music felt so warranted and refreshing to hear Batman Forever music after this shit

Similar to Beverly Hills Cop 3, a bad mix of camp and edginess.

Storytelling has always been a weakness for Tim Burton and the messy script doesn't help [the 'Penguin running for major plot feels like a unnecessary cul de sac]. I appreciate this has a cult following now a days but the Nolan films are far more my cup of tea.

Now to be fair, Batman *is* the least interesting thing in almost anything he's in and giving his movies to the rogues' gallery is not a bad idea. Execution-wise this isn't well done in Returns, but Burton wasn't wrong to try it. Also, fuck it, Batman not killing people in most of the well-regarded runs of the comic was *always* an attempt to make the best of a bad situation with the Comics Code. Sure, it lead to one of the funniest scenes in Hitman, but eh. Again, who cares, cool villains is sorta the one strong point of anything Batman. Batman's sorta just the cipher. The viewpoint character, the guy who has to investigate and try to avenge the crimes so we can see the world his enemies inhabit. He's the Kenshiro. You can't make Fist of the North Star be *about* Kenshiro... And neither does it matter overly much if his particular brand of stoicism gets handled differently.

Film Brain and Sage are like a modern-day Siskel and Ebert.

Question: If Penguin's plan is to kidnap and kill all first borns, why does he try to take Chip, but doesn't bother with Bruce Wayne? He is technically a first born. I agree with Bennett. Crock would've been a much better fit for the movie.

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I don’t understand why people think this movie is really dark and bitter when parts of it are quite funny.

I mean, at least in Batman: The Telltale Series, they got the character right, I know his appearance wasn't perfect but his origin was fine.

Love Batman Returns

I think its funny that the people in charge of the Gotham show gave Ruebens another chance to be the father of the Penguin.

Burton's Batman films had a surreal, gothic atmosphere. It's not supposed to be 'dark' and 'gritty. Since is does not take place in our reality, I don't nitpick or delve on some of the plot points.

thanks for the video

Glad there's a review on this movie that is made by someone who dislikes it as much as I do.

The collective term for bats is not a flock, its a colony, or cloud of bats.

On one hand I agree with sage burtons last few films have been the exact same film with a dark moody style with Johnny depp helabottom carter ( sorry I can't spell her name) and like sage I don't like the apes remake Alice or Charlie and the chocolate factory but on the other hand film brain makes a good point by pointing out there are some good burton films like scissor hands big fish Sweeney Todd and batman to me burton is a 2 sided coin he's got one side and one bad side and I gotta say I'm not looking forward to him remaking dumbo

needs more frank reynolds quotes

I must admit that this plot was a mess, but according to style, grotesqly mixing dark with camp, I love this movie so much. All that Sage finds wrong with this movie, thats advantage for me!

Big Fish is Burtons true masterpiece. What a great emotional film. It's perfect... almost

where does film Brain say they are? sounds like swimland or something.

23:54 i honestly like that line, it shows that batman is human, and not the goddamn bat god you fans see him as

Batman Returns is 30 years old!!! Shame i didn't see it in theaters but it did make $162.83 million I did catch it later on vhs Tim Burton did his own thing creatively wanting nothing to do with the 1989 movie Love Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman and Danny Devito as Penguin, Pfeiffer still has that infamous whip to this day and she set the tone for future actresses to play the part going against injustice either men or women Many considered it too dark; a lot of people couldnt get on board with the overly depressing penguin and the cat woman Even the happy meal toy makers panicked by parents' reactions of the movie being demented and unpleasant for kids Since then, people haven't really known what to make of this film Naturally, it has its fans and its haters, but most people put it in the "I don't want to think about it because I don't know what to think about it" category It's a good movie and nostalgia critic says it is silly and all over the place, but it's also visually stunning, well-acted, and hilariously demented Lots of flaws are around the Penguin character it just needed to be less clumsy about it Burton focuses as much on what unites the trio as what divides them, specifically the power they find behind their assumed identities even if all they can't be saved A weird experiment he admits with it feeling overly dark but he embraces keeping Batman weird There are elements of German Expressionism that seep through the stylistic flourish Plus it's important to acknowledge that Reeves' "The Batman," and some aspects of Christopher Nolan's "The Dark Knight" trilogy, has been greatly influenced by Burton's vision, which is undeniably important to understanding Batman as a character I'm glad the movie overcame reports of behind-the-scenes creative disputes and mixed critical and fan response It's really cool too that Michael Keaton is reprising his role for The Flash movie and Batgirl

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I used to like Batman Returns but I got sick of watching it but Batman 89 and The Dark Knight 2009 are great movies but Danny DeVito is excellent as penguin

At least give it this: it's nowhere near as bad as Batman and Robin.