Bad Weather? No Problem! F35B VSTOL CASE 3 | Real NATOPS Procedure (MSFS) 

It’s a lot easier in the F35 where you set STOVL and it flies it for you. I’ll try it in the AV8B next! 😅

@@cgaviator I’ve just tried it in the MV-22 Osprey I just purchased and have found that I can’t slow down enough without 10 miles of wiggle room or I rip the nacelles off!

@@axeman3d haha! Good idea to try the Osprey! It’s a tricky balance to keep the power low enough to slow but enough to lift during the transition phase. Should be able to slow within a mile or 2

@@cgaviator use dcs next time though this isn't as close

@@denmister100 to be fair: I've seen some pretty horrible approaches / landings within DCS that people shouldn't be able to get away with - and they've been called "great landings"! so yea.. while i 100% prefer DCS for such activities and it's the best we got, it's still far from being perfect.

Good suggestions, thanks 👍🏻

Thanks, and same to you!

Thank you 👍🏻

Thank you 🙏🏻

Thanks, and Happy New Year to you 👍🏻

Thanks, though the F35 makes it a lot easier

Glad to hear it!

Absolutely my pleasure! It’s great to learn something new

Thanks! It took a fair bit of research and practice. And Happy New Year!

Next I need to do this in DCS with a ship that’s rocking and rolling! 😅

My pleasure, thank you

Thank you 🙏🏻

Lol, it took me a while to read into it that’s for sure! There’s a lot more detail that could be added. Season’s best wishes to you and yours!

My pleasure!

Just need a needle pointing in the right direction! I’m hoping that new updates will make the carriers more realistic in terms of navigation. Perhaps I’ll revisit this along with a precision approach.

Thanks! Next to try it in the AV8B!

I’ve had to spot some runways in some highly suspect weather before!

My pleasure!

I’ll be doing a DCS AV8B version soon! 3 nozzle settings: 50, 60 and hover stop.

@@cgaviator Ah yes that would make sense. Not that it would make it easy by any means though. Can't wait for the video :D

@@cgaviator When I fly the dcs harrier I try to maintain a stable pitch and use the nozzle to control speed. For me it works much better than pitching up and down to adjust speed. So it's basically power for up/down, roll for left right and nozzle angle for fwd/aft.

@@audunskilbrei8279 yeah, the dcs one is a major workaround. You can pitch full nose forward and not crash as long as the nozzles at at 90!

@@cgaviator What do you mean by pitch full nose forward?

Thanks man, very kind!

Thank you, very kind!

Spotting the proverbial needle in a soggy haystack! 😅

Thank you kindly! Hats off to the peeps who do it for real!

Thanks 🙏🏻

Hope the video helps! It’s satisfying to get right that’s for sure!

And same to you! 🎄 🍻

Thank you 🙏🏻

Just a lot of practice! Glad you liked 👍🏻

Hopefully when I try it in DCS with a moving ship it’ll be even more immersive!

Thanks Tundra!

Thanks very much 👍🏻

Thank you, hopefully the carriers get better. There are some good developments but still miles from what DCS has.

Thank you, much appreciated

Easy in the F35 👍🏻

Thank you kindly!

Thank you 🙏🏻

Thank you kindly

Thank you, very much appreciated!

Thanks 🙏🏻

Thank you 🙏🏻

😂 I’ll take a mocha frappacino if there’s one on offer! 😁

@@cgaviator Lol! I buy you fly, I've got year end accounting to do, busy girl this time of year!

@@debbiestimac5175 reminds me, need to do my self assessment! 👀

@@cgaviator Love when managers make employees do their jobs for them. (sarcasm) Give yourself a raise and more vacation time! Lol.

There is, but I tend not to use it because I prefer the fpm to show me where I’m going to land rather than just my pitch 👍🏻

Thanks 👍🏻 and searching LSO or LHA NATOPS

The real F35 is simple to handle though recently a guy ejected from a bounced landing. Think there was a system failure in there somewhere! But the MSFS is crazy easy to control but the hover controls are a tad off.

@@cgaviator Ok thx :)

That big screen does look impressive!

Thanks 🙏🏻

Great to hear, I think I’ve set the bar a bit with this! 👍🏻

The chart I use for reference, there’s nothing to say that a particular ship can’t nominate a 210 rather than 150 relative bearing for the Marshall. I did it because of the ground which I ended up flying over anyway! 😅 And thanks, much appreciated 👍🏻

Over-the-stern? The NATOPS read like it was optional. Do you work with them? Would be cool to see up close!

@@cgaviator It’s based on conditions of weather, night landings are always Case III so it’s always going to be over the stern, heavy weather recovery’s will also be Case III over the stern depending on PriFly’s Decision. I’m a yellow shirt on these big decks, I pull these birds daily and watch this happen. Also, you’re not wrong for landing on spot 9 because you’re just a single F35 doing CQ’s on the deck, but normally the first F35 will always scoot up to spot 7 before paddles gives him the clear to cross. Then that gives us the opportunity to recover another jet on 9 and hold him while 7 is spinning into the slash. On these mods that these guys have made of the ships deck with all the aircraft on it there are some inaccuracies to it and it bothers me, for instance, GSE (tractors) parked Between F35’s on a green deck, that thing has to have a driver or be tied down and also the modders like to fill the slash with all kinds of jets to make it feel alive, but I can’t taxi into the slash when they do that so it gets bothersome because no aircraft is just going to sit on the LA unless it’s a spotted helo that’s spinning. The foul line (alternating red and white that should not be crossed by personnel without specific instruction) is shifted so close to the island that there’s no room for the Ground support equipment to park there, meaning that they’ve just scattered them across the deck to make it feel “alive” Trust me I was FLY2PO and I would NEVER have no shit like that going on during flight quarters 😂😂😂

@@Jetpusher 😂 I hear ya! Thanks for the info. And thanks for what you do! 🤘🏻

thanks 🚨

Thank you, very much appreciated

😁

I seriously need to charge the developers commission! 😂 Keybinding is toggle tail hook and hover is ap heading hold. It’s in the manual for reference! Carriers are Miltech but indiafoxtecho also do some.

Keybinds: Toggle tail hook for STOVL, AP Heading Hold for Hover. It’s in the manual 😜

They can! From how it read, at night they conduct over-the-stern approaches. But the deck is much smaller than a CVN type ship (regular carrier) so it would be tight. Or at least that’s my understanding of it.

Have a look at Shipboard Rolling Vertical Landing videos. That is the procedure for over the back of the ship approaches. But it has always been easier to stop then land rather than land then stop, which is why the vertical landing is preferred.

@@SPQRTempus I did a few over the stern practices before settling on this approach. Perhaps I’ll do that video next. Thanks for the suggestion!

Needles for the win! Straight to minimums because there was no glidepath guidance. And there was plenty of poetic licence at play! 😅

@@cgaviator Yea you gotta find your workarounds to deal with the constraints of the sim. You did an awesome job at that imho, keeping it as true to SOP as feasible.

Never gonna happen lol! Though who knows… maybe Microsoft will buy them out!

@@cgaviator Never even thought about that. They EASILY have the cash.

Thanks! And I don’t think they have an indicator for the rate 1, not like the old days! At 250kt it’s about 30 degrees. I think there’s a rule of thumb. 10% of groundspeed plus 7 rings a bell. So for 250kt, 25+7=32. Don’t quote me, but it’s good enough for government work! 😅

@@cgaviator Nice. Thanks. I was also wondering, do military aircraft (Tornado, Harrier era) have the ability to fly IFR flight plans using RNAV waypoints, like an airliner? This is something never implemented in the sims I have tried.

@@oistk8956 can’t speak for the Harrier but I’m fairly sure that ICAO points weren’t part of the load. I believe (stretching the memory) that we carried a book with the coordinates of the waypoints and then used GPS nav to that. Not legal for flying RNAV but we could steer direct. Mostly, when travelling outside the UK, we’d be lead by a tanker which would handle all the IFR stuff for us! 😁

@@cgaviator fascinating, thanks! I guess you could fly VOR to VOR (or NDBs). I bet modern F-35s and such aircraft can fly ICAO RNAV waypoints on AP.

@@oistk8956 I would hope they can! 😂

lol, I do, I have a separate channel for DCS stuff. I chill on MSFS while DCS makes me study like it’s work! 😂

Lol, it’s still on the todo list! 😅 I think there’s a good video by Jabbers on setting up TrackIR

And season’s best to you and yours! 🍻

@@cgaviator I can't follow their guide, am far 2 fick. 😵😵😵 Will try again though once I'm set-up👍🏿

@@thelmaviaduct lol, I’ll see what I can do but I think trial and error will work for you.

absolutely!

I have a DCS channel that I’ve just started 👍🏻

@@cgaviator Oh awesome, enjoy.

Yeah, if it has a method of detecting ranges and radials 👍🏻

Thanks! 😁 There is a flight plan system of sorts. You can also plan externally and import a flight plan. Or did you mean create waypoints in the aircraft?

This might be redundant but check out PMS50

@@cgaviator i mean add/change waypoints while in flight. Flying a normal route on vatsim in this is quite difficult currently because after loading in you can’t change Sid, star or approach. Quite annoying.

@@aruhtaz you mean using it through the toolbar and changing route that way? I’ll have to try, seems like an idea.

@@Lasssse ah yes, though unless it’s RNAV specific you could always fly it old school! 😅

To at popped up as a heart with a plus in the middle - not seen that before! Either way, thanks 👍🏻👍🏻

That would be sweet, but I don’t think that would be possible in this sim. I’d love to get my hands on the real F35 sim again

@@cgaviator the legit one from Lockheed uses a very low resolution, low poly, early google earth environment

I think search for LSO vstol NATOPS

Referencing my questionable touch down? 😂 No, they should stick the landing!

There is one, but I’ve never explored it, nor do I know what the real limit would be. Though I previously hovered above the Burj Khalifa but that was before they updated the model.

British pilot on exchange! 😉 But yes, US use Statue Miles. Can’t fathom it! 😂

@@cgaviator Why not? A fathom is only 6 feet! Even Top Gear say everything in miles

@@Fenixx117 😂

Thanks very much! Finding it always starts in the planning phase. Then it’s just luck! 😂

Indiafoxtecho F35. They did a great job modelling using whatever open source info they could find. Of course some of it is their best guess

Payware by Miltech

Link in description 👍🏻

This is a Miltech carrier. There are lots available through an online search 👍🏻

@@cgaviator Thanks

not sure how you got from carrier landings to skyscrapers lol! some of them you can, by default i don't think so. Haven't tried in a while

It’s not moving 😅

True, if I verbalised it as a radial from then I misspoke. However, I can still be on the inbound radial value rather than use tail end of the needle. And mostly it’s a fudge based on me using the GPS waypoint rather than tacan. I think I corrected my lead radial comment.

@@cgaviator it was clear what you meant no worries, you were flying a course to a waypoint as you say, not tracking a radial. Wasn’t really worth me picking up, just being very pedantic. Enjoyed the video

Usually one of the sofly weather presets maybe adjusted to suit requirements 👍🏻

Lol, I think there’s a longer list than that but it’s coming along nicely! 😅

You have the standard OLS on a large carrier/CVN (the ball), you can have an OLS dedicated to VSTOL approach, and you have have HPI specific for hovering in the correct place alongside

Erm, I think I just took rain and increased the lower parameters to allow for suitable cloud deck and visibility.

I’ll likely do another video about flying the needles (ILS). One of my first videos ever was flying the Hawk T1 on the ILS. And while it’s an analogue jet, I pause the video and talk about what I’m looking at. That video will give the fundamentals of a workcycle and why to check. Also the How to Land Any Jet video that I linked To during the video will talk about some other aspects of staying on parameters.

Indiafoxtecho

@cgaviator sweet got any other cool mods and whats ur reshade profile?

@cgaviator hmm for some reason i thought this was dcs lol never theless i play msfs and this mod is sick

@@bigzary5550 SoFly weather preset and I think the Miltech arg for this video. I use nvidia filters and I’ll get around to sharing it one day! 😄 But try tint to 33 and strength at 20. Add contrast as desired 👍🏻

@@bigzary5550 just don’t buy it from marketplace or you won’t have weapons

Doubtful ever! Maybe if DCS have a proper F35 but info is so classified it would be a best guess

@@cgaviator secrit documents but still hope

😂 fair point, need to sound mean! And thanks for taking the time to comment 👍🏻

I'll track it down when I try in the DCS version

How do you mean? VFR or a flight with weather but instruments failed?

@@cgaviator just left with stick and throttle no instruments,no airspeed indicator, no artificial horizon

@@alripal9665 through significant cloud, not possible without instruments. If they suffered a display failure they may be able to use an iPad with gps for ground speed reference.

And it depends on the definition of completing a sortie. They may be able to fly about but they wouldn’t be mission effective at all 👍🏻

@@cgaviator thanks for your reply,it just seems to me that you're overly dependant on instruments

Yup, it is sadly. And thanks 🙏🏻

The gear is designed to take a firm landing (unlike the recent ejection that happened at Dallas). VTOL aircraft aren’t landed like a helicopter, they’re firmly planted to avoid issues with ground effect and pitch/roll of the deck 👍🏻

Thanks, appreciate it!

Yes, it’s designed so the inputs are similar to forward flight. None of this funny business with the controls. It’s to keep it common between phases of flight. When I messed about in a real helicopter sim, I had a hell of a job telling my brain to put my throttle hand forward at landing rather than backwards! 😂

Lol, absolutely!

Wasn’t sure how, but I usually prefer to have the fpm show we where I’m aiming

Lol, I won’t tell if you won’t! 😅

@@cgaviator your secret is safe with me! 🤣 Man I wish MS would do a combat sim...either that, or DCS up its game and get gfx like MSFS and mods like it has! The melding of those two would be insanely good!!

Or bounces, then collapses…! 😅

@@cgaviator True :D

Yeah, best we got at the moment

All true, though the realism suggested is for the procedure. But I agree, MSFS isn't well designed for highly complex military jets.

@@cgaviator I’m not necessarily talking about msfs I just mean in general this is no way to actually simulate the f35 as hardly any of it’s true details and spec are know.