Bain Family Murders | Was David Bain Innocent? 

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Kiwi here. The vast majority of the country would agree with you. I'm in Dunedin, I've actually never met anyone who believes in David's innocence.

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"David had trouble finding a job... mostly due to the murder part."

I followed this case closely and another interesting factor was, Robyn Bain had a full bladder when he died. Usually people that commit murder get a bit nervous and would probably go to the toilet prior. David Bain also put on quite an act when he was escorted into an ambulance that morning, however, his heart rate never increased. Also, David Bain was known to have had surgery and as he was coming out of the anaesthetic he was reported to have said did I say anything?… Did I say I did it? After compensation was paid and the case was closed. David Bain, and Jo Carrum went immediately to pick up the 22 rifle/murder weapon as all evidence was released by the crown. Why on earth would you want to souvenir the murder weapon? If you were just paid out. Nearly $1 million.???

I knew the pathologist who did the autopsy on this family. There is no way Robin Bain could hold that rifle and shoot himself in the head

I watched a deep dive into this case and was stunned when not only the conviction was overturned but they PAID him. Jurors are wild 😫🤣

People thought because a celebrity, someone they admired, like David was innocent, he must be. Sort of like when someone is rich, people think he’s a good businessman.

I don’t usually comment, but I loved this video! I live in NZ and attended the second trial as a member of the public. I have a degree in Criminal Justice and after going through the case countless times believe that David is guilty. There appeared to be significant Police failure in this case which likely also resulted in his not guilty verdict.

I'm amazed he ran out of nearly 1,000,000 bucks! Loved the running cadaver joke; well delivered as always! Also. I appreciated your comments regarding the associative phrasing he used.

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Thanks for covering this. It's still up for debate here in NZ even though he was realased

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David did it.

I love your sense of humour Todd. I was in Dunedin when this happened - it was huge news (we get very few murders like this in NZ). Robin's brother (ie David's uncle) was also in the Air Force with me. He was convinced that David was guilty and said all the family were (mind you, it was his brother vs his nephew). The house was burned down by the locals after the killings. Joe Karam (the said ex-rugby player crusader) received $424 000 from the Government Legal Services for his part in the campaign so he ended up pretty well compensated. People must understand that rugby is NZ's national religion so for such a celebrity to endorse someone is pretty powerful.

This was a subject in my neck of the woods, NZ . So glad to see you covering this .

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New Zealander here. Yes Bain is guilty as sin! I would be interested in Dr Grande’s opinion on another controversial NZ murder. The Scott Watson case.

There is a good podcast analysing the family and the lead up to these murders, as well as a New Zealand drama, I also read Karam's book. It appears that relationships in the family were odd; kids did all the housework due to mother's mental state and not all of the kids got on with her. David and his mother had a close relationship and he believed some of her weird religious ideas. David was trying to be the man of the house and get family members on board with the development for the property, as robin more absent with depression. It was also mentioned that David was controlling over his sister laniet. A friend of mine was David's science lab partner at university, and he mentioned he was odd. He said he failed his science paper and had a meltdown. The friend later saw him (6 months later) and noted he was stranger and didn't mention plans for the future, Bain discussed possibly doing music. A friend of my friends went to the Bain house and mentioned the family was odd and the house was a pig sty. From reading, doco, drama and friend I reckon he did not cope with stress. Living in an odd family not knowing what to do and being odd himself I think a switch flicked with the reveal at dinner from his sister. I reckon he did black out what he did, so thinks he did not do it. I think Davids's wife should be wary not to stress him and go down the religious path like his mother.

David Bain absolutely committed those murders. He had discussed sexually assaulting a young woman that he saw out running and mentioned to a friend that he could use his paper route as an alibi. This information was not presented to the jury, as it was not directly relevant to the case. There is speculation that the jurors in the second trial were outward supporters of Baine. He is still living in New Zealand. His wife is a teacher at a primary school in my home town.

this is new zealand's OJ simpson. the footage of him wearing that jersey outside dunedin jail was on the news so much that it became famous itself. people would go to Halloween dressed as david bain in the jersey. if you type 'david bain' into google the search suggestion says 'jersey'

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There’s a podcast by ‘Stuff’ here in NZ that covers this in detail. Looks up ‘Black Hands’. Lots of holes in the defense!

Woaaahhh as a kiwi I never thought I would see this case on your channel 😅 If you’re looking into cases from NZ I would love to see your analysis of Pauline Parker and Juliet Hulme. The movie ‘Heavenly Creatures’ is based on the true story of them murdering Pauline’s mother as teenagers

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You are right about Joe Karam not understanding the case. He 'believed' David had been wrongly convicted and focused on the emotional idea of an innocent man in jail. Two things you missed were that Robin Bain had a full bladder at autopsy and unlikely he could have run around killing his family without peeing his pants and that David was a member of the local amateur acting group. His call to the police was unconvincing too. Finally it was a joke in NZ that he should have gone to prison for his fashion choices alone. Good summary Dr Grande, I thought he did it too and that family was very dysfunctional.

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I have always known David was guilty, the police made too many mistakes.

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Glad to see so many of my fellow kiwi on here enjoying Dr Grande Dunedin is my hometown always seemed that everyone in NZ but the jury thought he was guilty

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I was told by a Dunedin Educational Psychologist that Robin Bain was profoundly depressed so the Group Special Education section of the Ministry of Education were so worried they were keeping an eye on him. I also bumped into Laniet's boyfriend. If the jury had heard the disturbing things he said, I don't think he'd have been set free.

Finally! I've been hoping for your views on this one! Also, kudos on your pronunciations! Verra nice!

I remember this like it was yesterday....for a second I thought my elder brother had lost his mind as my Family home was on Sheil Hill, directly behind the Bain residence! Such a tragedy 😢

His best man at the wedding was a fellow killer he met in prison. In 2019 he admitted he had raped and murdered another woman and is back in jail.

You got it!!! I’m a New Zealander, This is still so upsetting! he’s out!! Not guilty doesn’t mean he is innocent. He is one troubled & Guilty Man. (In my opinion) Sorry just edited typo 😆

Regardless of the guilt or innocence of this particular person, what kind of justice system allows a person who was found guilty of murdering his whole family to be eligible for parole in 16 years? How can this be considered justice? Other countries have very lenient justice systems even for people who have committed terrible crimes. In Canada, Paul Bernardo has already been "eligible for parole" in 2008 and 2018, and had parole hearings. It is considered very unlikely that he will ever be released. But what kind of country grants even the possibility of parole to a rapist (he was identified as the "Scarborough Rapist" who had raped many women before he turned to murder), and someone who tortured, raped and murdered three girls?

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Thank you for explaining both sides of every case. I also like the dry humor inserted in these types of cases. It’s interesting to watch these because I’m not familiar with a lot of them so it’s easy to follow along and try to guess whether you think they did it or not.

It's hard to think of anything more New Zealand than a rugby player coming to someone's rescue.

After his trial David got a job as a steel fabricator, a job he did in a prison workshop. This is the job I do in Auckland. I said to my workshop manager "Maybe David Bain could work here." My manager said "No way!"

The most inculpatory piece of evidence for me personally that entirely exonnerates Robin from being the potential killer is that there was a green towel found in the bathroom with mass amounts of Robin's blood. How does that logically work if Robin was to be the killer? If so, Robin would have to kill himself and then mop up his own blood.

In case you wanna watch an extended video on this, look up Matt Orchard - Crime and Society. All his videos are great.

This reminds me so strongly of the White House Farm Murders, right down to the obsessed amateurs getting involved with the likely murderer. Dr Grande, would you look at the case of Jeremy Bamber?

I think most the second jury were part of the David Bain fan club, hence hugging him. A mass murderer walks free and collects a million dollars 🤯

Some people think he shot Robin , but Robin shot the others . He shot Robin in rage and grief ( diminished responsibility) after seeing what Robin did to the others . But idk.

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David did it. His father hadn't even peed that morning but aparantly we are supposed to believe he held on while killing everyone including a fight with his youngest son then as a right handed man he shot himself in his left temple with a rifle. The whole second trial was dodgy. I agree look into the Lundy case and Scott Watson

An attorney present throughout the final trial described the jury to me as " naughty ". From what I know about the Kiwi character, I can fully imagine the jury to say " she'll be right mate, the nutta's done 13 years for that low life family. Let's give him a break." I would be very surprised if they acted differently. The general public was actually very bored with the Bain case at the time of the final trial.

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Todd, would you consider analyzing the Christchurch Civic Creche case that occurred in Christchurch, New Zealand in 1991 and 1992? This case was the subject of a book by Lynley Hood called 'A City Possessed: The Christchurch Civic Creche Case'. You might find it interesting as there was significant criticism of some members of your profession in the aftermath of this case. I lived in Christchurch at the time and I agree that many people - including the Police - temporarily lost their critical faculties. Hood compares what happened with the Slalem witch trial in 1878.

This family was very dysfunctional and it has always seemed as if they all hated Robin. I can’t help but feel bad about that. I do feel like David committed this murder.

So he not only got away with murder, he also got paid for it.

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“I blanked out” has to be the most transparently weak defence ever

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Would you be interested in profiling the notorious Australian serial killer Ivan Milat, also known as the ‘Backpacker Murderer’? A spine chilling man…

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What in the actual hell? How was that jury so moronic? And I thought the OJ jury was stupid.

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David did get a job. He worked as a storeman for the franchise, The Coffee Guy just before he went back to court for the retrial.

I remember when this happened. It shocked the whole country. Personally, I think he's guilty as hell.

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Didn’t you release a podcast after midnight this morning and now a video this afternoon? Burning the candle at both ends yet still sharp as a tack. Very impressive!!

Oh my God, HOW HOW HOW did David Bain actually get acquitted for murdering his whole family???? 😲😲😲

I was watching about serial killers at the same time I was working with u HG. Narc. Det I knew the answer before I got your tape. I laughed at myself. I was so devastated I ended in 3 Ers and 10 day stint on psych floor. First at 57 years old. My son, my sis, my brother. I will be the winner for life.

Well told story. We had a similar one in Denmark where our biggest tabloid managed to free a man Naom Conevski of murder two days later he killed young boys he didn't know. He is by now the longest held inmate in the danish prison system, and 39 years later, still viewed as too dangerous to let go.

You should analyze the case of Yukio Mishima. A Japanese writer who attempted a coup in Japan and committed Seppuku. He had a private army! He was going to win the Nobel Prize!

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You can't say of a father abusing his daughter that they "were in a sexual relationship". That implies that it was consensual. That type of sexual contact will ALWAYS be abusive. There is no escaping the fact that the father is in a place of authority over his children and that type of sexual contact is ALWAYS abusive.

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My Nana was very good friends with Robin he actually proposed to her but she turned him down. She always talks about how gut-wrenching it is when people accuse Robin she said he was an amazing loving kind man and the whole story of abuse to the eventual killings seems so unlike him (obviously you don't know what happens behind closed doors but still) She believes that the portrayal of him by the media and the police is disgusting. With this in mind and so much more evidence, I truly believe David did it and I hate that he gets to walk freely.

There is a very good podcast about this called "Black Hands"

He had a suppressor on that rifle.. He went into the room.. Entered the message and tried to leave him alone without waking him up.. But his brother woke up during and began attacking David.. David then struggled to get his rifle back, but managed to do so and then continued to kill him.. Maybe that's why he still had some signs of panic in the beginning of the call.

I grew up and live in NZ. This case divided the country. They were a very strange family. Many support David Bain and believe it was the father Robin who committed the murders.

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If you're curious what kind of woman would marry him, her mother was apparently one of his biggest supporters so she grew up believing he was an innocent saint in prison wrongfully

Omg thank you thank you, I have be wanting to see what you think of David. I believe he is guilty after years of following this case. There is so much evidence against David. David had called for the family meeting that night. David had talked to a friend about something bad going to happen a few days before and fantasised of singing at family funerals, he believed he was a gifted singer

Hello from New Zealand I was a teenager when this happened and remember it vividly. So many unanswered questions, but still feel like David did it. Also google David Bain Jerseys. Hes got some stunners in his wardrobe.

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Dr Grande, can you review the effects on the Capitol Police officers who responded to Jan 6th and now four who have committed suicide?