You know, in universe, it doesn't make much sense why they passed the attribute energies to the new bakugan instead of the Brawler's partners from season 1. They were stronger (prior to evolving, the og partners, except for Drago, had 100 more Gs than the new bakugan), and had more experience, so it would've made more sense to give it to them. I know Alice didn't really brawl anymore, but you can't tell me you wouldn't have rather seen Hydranoid battle more in season 2 than just see Percival swinging a sword around.
How about the fact that drago isn't a perfect bakugan as Helix Dragonoid despite having all 6 attribute energies, the perfect core (under his complete control according to Apollonir), and a reconstituted body that's separated from the core of new vestroia. As-well as the fact that he's almost immediately overpowered by Gundalian and Nethean Bakugan in the following season like its nothing.
@@anapia5051 Meh, he was defeated by Helios multiple times before the Neathians and Gundalians did. Heck, Dan had a bigger win rate against them than he ever had with Spectra.
Zenoheld fired his gatecard vertically; it landed horizontally. How did that work? P.S. remember when Bakugan was about strategy, and not about an old dude beating the heck out of not only one but all SIX legendary soldiers of Vestroia because he had MORE ABILITY CARDS?
What kind of buggs me from rewatching this is that they could have made the basic attacks from real bakugan to the mechanical ones useless, so zenohelds farbas ability would be op. And then once apollonir used his energy the farbas wouldnt handle the power from the energy
I can't believe that the six ancient warriors are dead. Instead for them to be dead the sacred orb could have save and resurrect them and made them powerful bakugan and made them protectors or leaders of New vestroia.
I hate to say it, but if the Legendary Soldiers weren't so prideful, all of this could've been prevented. If they had just retreated after learning about his threat, the BT System would've never had a chance to be activated, the Brawlers & Resistance members wouldn't have been put in harm's way again, and the Legendary Soldiers could've lived on...
Dark Magician's Cousin it's not like they knew just how strong the new wave of mechanical bakugan are. These robots were pretty new to the universe and are an unknown.
HaloNoble1 still his point still stands the smart thing to do was find out how he was gonna destroy the Bakugan and then seeing that it needed their attribute Energy to power up the machine they should gone back to where the perfect core was,then king Zenoheld would have never have been able to get them
True, but remember these Vestals had the technology to go to Vestroia. Hell, even Masquerade was able to go to the Doom Dimension as he wishes. Obviously, there really wasn't anywhere they can hide forever, it was only a matter of time and remember, Zenoheld's forces don't play fair either. They probably sought to kill the head of the snake before it could truly be a threat.
Did you forgot what they said in the first season nothing expect the 6 ancient bakugan can be anywhere near the perfect core no matter what kind of tech they may have it would not have been possible to get near them
the ancients always had 500 in every series . 6 times 500 =3000 . Helios reached 800 himself send then plus 6 traps worth 400-600 points each . Low ball 400 x6=2,400+800=3,200 . Again low balling as weak traps always gave a boost of 400
Just saying, but I dont get why Apollonir didnt use his op ability Neo Valute here (sets the power level of the opponent to Apollonirs base level, 500) when Zenoheld pulled out the assail formation bullshit. Wouldve saved all of them a lot of trouble ._.'
Appolonir: *Activates Neo Valute* "now your power level is same as my base power" Zenoheld: "ok, but who..." Appolonir: "who what?" Zenoheld: *Activates Farbas XM* "asked" Farbros is now back to 5k gs
@@alexshih3747 i agree but, saying if the writers, or show allowed the ancient bakugan won that fight, even though it was "BS" according to some people, but re watching and taken it from a different perspective, I kinda say, it was balance on some levels, due to 1 vs 6, plus if farbros had lost which most say he should, that would give the vestal and the writers and story developers plenty of time to take on a different point of view and "upgrade" their prized "ultimate weapon" even more and recorded the battle data from their fight, and probably could've given the Saturday TV show suspension for the kitties, and create more toys as so, but then again, it's just a theory... a bakugan theory- sorry, for the lame joke there, but just saying that as my opinion on the topic.
That fire legendary soilder...what he said was ironic. It is his arrogance that is his downfall. He sure underestimated his enemy. He thinks he has total advantage because he is an ancient warrior with mystical power plus he has 5 team mates as powerful as him
@@AshSmashReacts Which I think is the point. Zenoheld was such a novice, he needed the most overpowered thing ever (probably including the ultimate warrior Bakugan in that counting) to do anything and everything. Really, the only time he didn't call upon the Assail Formation was when he battled Cross Dragonoid and Helios MK2 for the Pyrus energy, and even then he had the trap field. Zenoheld even had to resort to using the Assail Formation while battling Hydron. Zenoheld was losing against Hydron in a fair fight, despite Farbros being around 5 times as powerful as Dryoid without the Assail Formation, and Zenoheld had to use the Assail Formation. He basically cheated against his son, who was still holding his own better than the 6 ancient warriors. And after Zenoheld won due to broken overpoweredness that would make a literal Mary Sue jealous, he had the nerve to insult Hydron and say that Hydron was an inferior battler to him!
They were the only ones to actually properly damage Assail Fabros though. Like Assail Farbros never again used Farbas again while in that formation. I mean I guess Vulcan did destroy it's hands, but that was about it.
@@jackthegreek6092 Huh yeah, that is a good point in the Ancient Warriors' favor, honestly kinda baffles me when ppl say they got nerfed compared to Season 1 lol. Apollonir was able to take down pre evolution Helios and withstood a ton of hits from Drago amped up with Forbidden Cards, Exedra was definitely carrying his weight this battle too. Honestly their main undoing was that Farbros (and most Bakugan during the second NV arc) had the ability to mass decrease multiple Bakugans' power levels at once with abilities like Shadow Crowley and Hyper Cell.
Zenoheld may be an asshole but I like him as an antagonist. He’s genuinely formidable or at least knows how to use power. He’s a worse version of Spectra. I wonder how Razenoid would have fared against Ancient Warriors. Evolved Razenoid would crush them, but pre-third evolution Razenoid probably wouldn’t because his mutation rendered him less mobile, much less than Phantom Dharak, who was arguably a more advanced version of Razenoid. Then again Razenoid is incredibly powerful in his own right. About Skyress and Hydranoid….. some of you guys have a point but still, Skyress preferred to remain in New Vestroia rather than with Shun, and Alice doesn’t wish to descend into darkness again. Hydranoid understands that perfectly well. Mira and Ace are experienced against the Vexos and Baron is too but at a lesser extent. The fact he defeated Volt and fought well against Hydron shows his potential.
It kinda disappointing that after all that hype and protecting the elements the next episode one of the brawlers looses his element in the first fight make u wonder what would have happened if tigraira got the light energy
The truth is that Mira, Ace and Baron know the Vexos better than Julie, Runo and Alice. I think they also have a better brawling record. Besides by the time the Ancients were defeated, Julie, Runo and Alice haven’t been brawling for years. Additionally, Runo and Alice were defeated by the Vexos, so the Ancients made a wise choice. Plus Baron’s defeat in the next episode is probably to demonstrate how skilled Hydron is in comparison.
Unfortunately they gotta sell toys, no more spotlight for the og gang. If not for that, giving the attribute energies, not only to Drago, but also Gorem, Tigrerra, Hydranoid, Preyas and Skyress, would be the much smarter choice. They and their human partners are MUCH better than the new brawlers. With more experience from having "saved the world" once before, all they would need is a little boost to catch up to the new enemies in power. Even still, in future seasons, Preyas and Tigrerra, which make short appearances, are still no pushovers despite not winning against anyone... The new members, however...Wilda, for one, is insanely underpowered most of the time, and Percival, for another, only really seems powerful at the very start of the season when he faces off against Drago, only to appear, relatively, weaker and weaker throughout the remainder of the show. In hindsight, that initial battle versus Drago, isn't a display of how powerful Percival is, rather of how weak Drago is! Nemus being the weakest is understandable in the beginning as Baron is insecure and inexperienced, which makes it all the more interesting that, to me, Nemus becomes one of the stronger members of the team after evolving. Elfin, i won't even talk about. And Ingram only seems cool/ok-ish at times due to being partnered with Shun.
So if the original Battle Brawlers and their partners achieved the attribute energies instead, what would their evolutions be... I'd imagine that Tigrerra would gain a wide bravesword, turn full-on Thundercat in its entirety. Call herself Haos Brave Tigrerra and gaining the abilty card 'Prismatic Halo Blade' that basically made the thundercat-sword light up in rainbow colors and cut through anything. Gorem's hammer would separate in two and be connected by a chain of obelisk. His helmet would reveal his mouth, and his armor would grow thicker. He'd call himself Subterra Meteor Gorem, and his ability card 'Meteor Morning Star' would be able to catch meteors from space with his chained hammers and slam them at his opponent. Skyress would have less feathers sticking out and a much sharper, streamlined fashion. Her chestplate would turn into pure wind and protect her like an armor made of impenetrable air, and it would also stretch out to the edges of her wings. She'd call herself 'Ventus Hurricane Skyress' and her ability 'Boreas' Blast Shot' would be to turn into a literal flying tornado that can be launched away as she flies out of it, cutting everything to shreds with high-velocity winds. Preyas Angelo and Diablo would have some kind of mental breakdown, suddenly appearing like a siamesic cat with half-Angelo and half-Diablo. They'd both at the same time give birth to Ventus Preyas Gospel, just to finish the whole circle of attributes given to Preyas himself. His ability card 'Wind Strider' would temporarily make him and all other Preyas' on the battlefield fast enough to be invulnerable to all attacks heading at them for a short amount of time by 'riding' the wind with their feet. It would also be combatible with otehr Bakugan if Preyas Gospel so wished. Hydranoid would grow three more heads, and the spiky wheel on his stomach would turn black steel with grey edges to the spikes. He'd call himself Darkus Hexa Hydranoid and his ability 'Kusanagi Rapture' would spawn a purple katana out of the mouths of every head to be jabbed at or projected at the target.
😂😂😂 Now that I look back on this why didnt they just run and step on the king guy (cant spell his name) or even try to rip apart the Robert with their claws.
tjpeterson96 well no, drago doesn’t have the full core within him, just a connection making him somewhat similar to his 2nd form in terms of power, if i remember correctly, it took the 6 attribute energies to make him have the same power as perfect drago numerically at base power
How I see it: Zachary Bennett (Apollonir), Ron Pardo (Clayf), Julie Lemieux (Lars Lion), Peter Cugno (Exedra), Scott McCord (Frosch) and Katie Griffin (Oberus) vs. John Stocker (King Zenoheld)
What they could've done to win: *Starting total G's: 3000* Clayf - *Atomic Brave* (Levels his power to Farbros Assail Formation's G's of 5600) + Exedra - *Final Wizard* (Used on Clayf to transfer all 5600 G's to Exedra +100 G's) + Apollonir - *Dragon Proudia* (Brings Farbros down to base G's of 4200 and adds the remaining 1400 to Apollonir) + Apollonir - *Neo Valute* (Brings Farbros to apollonir's Base of 500) + Apollonir - *Infinity Waiver* (Adds 300 G's to each of the Legendary Soldiers of Vestroia) *Total G's* - Apollonir: 2200 Exedra: 6500 Clayf: 300 Lars Lion: 800 Frosch: 800 Oberus: 800 *Total: 11,400 G's* Farbros: 500 (Under the effect of Neo Valute)
@@ironrevenger9386 It's possible Saiam Low doesn't work on mechanical Bakugan since it seems to drain an opponent's life force. When Apollonir used it against Helios in Episode 17, it stopped working when Helios combined with Spectra's mechanical trap Metalfencer.
Dragon Proudia would probably have to be the final move used as it seems Apollonir would be unable to do anything after changing his form, I’m unsure if Final Wizard would copy the power as the wizard abilities seemed to drain and transfer the power of allies but it would have negated the gate card and add an additional 100 G’s. Atomic Brave and Neo Valute are good abilities, wonder why they weren’t used, maybe Neo Valute doesn’t work somehow? Atomic Brave should still work to prevent additional power
Nah. Dharak was almost invisible, but Assail Farbros was so impossibly overpowered, to say that he was powerful was like saying the sun is mildly warm. When Zenoheld uses that Shiny Oricalcum ability, it's basically a K.O. move. I don't think that Mechtogan Titans would stand a chance.
I'm not even acknowledging the reboot. From what I have seen and heard about it is way too different from what I've grown up with which is a shame because the original was creative and a masterpiece.
Honestly, I feel like Zenoheld using a Gate Card here was the unfair play even without Farberos. I mean what are the six ancients gonna do, launch a Gate Card?
Honestly? From season 2 onwards, sure, whatever makes the most sense goes. Barely any rules are explained. My personal explanation to how battles in the anime work is somewhat similar to the Bakugan defenders of the core game: Each bakugan has a health bar(here in the anime it's "invisible") and the G-power numbers are merely modifiers(exponentially altering attack and defense). Every punch and/or blast hurts the bakugan's HP until they can't take hits anymore and go back to ball form, losing the round and decreasing the player's life points until those run out and that player loses the match. Abilities have any number of effects, not only increasing the G-power( bakugan's attack power and damage reduction modifier) but also blocking attacks( e.g.: shield generating abilities) and healing the bakugan's "invisible health bar"( e.g.: FARBAS abilities)
@@darthgus from season 2 onwards, there was no strategy, if your bakugan was stronger you win the battle. Farbros was so overpowered that zenoheld could win a battle against anyone because of the assail formation.
Alot of the bakugan from the second half of new vestroia were never made which sucks since new vestroia is my favorite season also sucks Helios mk2 was Japanese exclusive.
I love how in the first season there was a set of rules and balance to the battles, 3 gate cards, only 3 ability cards and they can’t be used multiple times, 3 bakugan, and then season 2 came out they said “what if there were no rules.”
If je had like 3 of tjose Mechanical Bakigan and threw them at the same time this battle would have been better or maybe it shoud've been atribute-less loke Naga. I don't know, anything that made this battle a bit more exciting and less of a powercreep show.
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I think he meant that Vestal tech was capable of stealth that exceeded the Bakugan, not that Farbros specifically was stealthy. Farbros wasn't designed for stealth, he was designed for power. I'd say Dryoid was the "speed" in his statement, and Macubass was the "stealth". Or it could mean that he was a demented and delusional old man. Take your pick.