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Man, the quick 18 Visions quip is the truest thing to be said here. Their last album is probably buttrock but I love it. Self titled SS album is a good album. Just not fully in line with "Suicide Silence Cannon"..... that's two pin point perfect assesments in one video!
Yeah that's gotta be tough. They have to interact with their fans A LOT from in-person fan meets to regularly streaming online. But they're expected to be nice like all the time. And even when they're addressing stalkers they can't be too critical
The K-pop and J-pop industries show how far managers can go without delving into actual slavery. But the fans will screech if you tell them that. Horrible music industries.
AssortedBits it’s so over glorified too and it terrifies me. That and as an Asian dude the girls that are into that with made fetishes creep me the f out
Three words: Faith No More. Granted, they never settle on a sound, but they are awesome at playing swing, funk, metal, rock, and blues (then play Spanish guitar songs).
Came here to say what you did. No band spit in the eye of commercial success like FNM did in '92. They released an album that literally nobody who bought The Real Thing asked for, and for my money Angel Dust stands as the greatest realized vision of the alternative movement. I've come to think of it as the Sgt. Pepper's of our generation and like The Beatles, FNM continued to take musical left turns with every subsequent release.
Oh yeah. FNM do what they want and it's always of high class. The "King For A Day..." album is just a little example - it's got a ton of musical genres in it and I can bet some nu metal bands drew inspiration from it.
Avenged Sevenfold... they slightly alter their sound with literally every album and improve greatly while still keeping their heavy metal roots, they've always experimented with their sound, and in 2016 they released their BEST album to date, The Stage, which is definitely progressive metal with traditional heavy metal at heart that still manages to keep a sense of mainstream accessibility, hence why they're still one of the biggest metal bands of this century... in 7 albums A7X went from metalcore, to heavy metal, to a mix of metal, hard rock, country, and some cinematic Tim Burton-esque song, all on their self-titled, to a classic metal sound most reminiscent of black album-era Metallica, to progressive metal... they may not have entirely changed genres and all but they are definitely extremely versatile and obviously talented as hell and I'm honestly anxious to hear what they put out next
I was into a lot of other metalcore bands when A7X City of Evil was rising in hype but I didn't really get into them until years after Rev died. But listening to their old stuff is like listening to classics. Can't remember ever looking up the lyrics to any of their songs yet I know the lyrics to a lot of their songs. They've stayed solid thru and thru
Nah, all my good friends were huge a7x fans in the 2001-2003 era. Once city of evil came out, they all dipped and hate that band now. I wasn’t even a big fan but I would agree. They are a butt rock metal band now. Waking the fallen better than the garbage they put out now but I was more of a trivium, killswitch and lamb of god guy for that era and genre
@@GeorgeZimmermen have you listened to The Stage?? or are you just basing that off of Hail To The King? or maybe you just don't like their music, that's fine, they're far from a butt rock band tho, if post-1993 Metallica is good, then Avenged is great... they don't have to make the heaviest shit out there, they're a mainstream metal band at the end of the day, but they're not just metal musicians, they're great songwriters, they're all talented at what they do, and i wouldn't call a band with no bad albums a butt rock/metal band
@@UhOh_ItzJDX to me and my group of metalhead friends, they aren’t takin seriously anymore. Sure, jammin some old a7x is still ok, but I guess what I’m getting at is a7x changed and for some of us, the change was for the worst. They are a radio metal band now and that’s fine, but there is a reason they have a bigger audience when they went softer or more basic in the songwriting. It’s metal for casuals now which is ok, but people who truly love metal music are gonna toss them to the side as less than. I know I do
Thrice is a great example of a band who's changed drastically over the years, but remained successful. AFI is also an example of changing and becoming more successful.
Definitely agree about Thrice. I was a huge fan early on and then wanned, but the last few released have brought me back as a fan. Great example of a band growing with their audience.
AFI are good they manage to change drastically their sound but also they're unmistakably AFI. Still some albums are better than others (sing the sorrow and burials)
That's why I love Thrice. Plus they oddly seem to grow and change with my taste ever since I started listening to them 20 years ago. Been my favorite band since.
I got into AFI back in the late 90’s and was a huge fan of there’s for the longest time. Their last couple of albums I felt like they quit taking the chances that they used to. Thrice is just as nostalgic for me, I loved , then didn’t care, then really dug them again.
Lifestyle wise he’s changing for the better. Career wise, his music is up in the air at this point. We are Harlot seems dead (idc if they get back together and make new music - it’s dead). Asking Alexandria’s latest LP was the weakest record they put in their discography and a label change or line up change seems inevitable. His solo stuff? It’s alright. Shades of blue was just there
I think something that makes BMTH successful is that they are constantly changing their sound. They did after their first album. So when it keeps happening, it’s not such a surprise to fans like it is with other bands. It’s kinda expected at this point.
"They transitioned from scene kids to military wife and beer people." Mate, you're from Ohio. You know at least half of those scene kids just evolved into the other type.
That's the conclusion I expected him to arrive at. But he never did. Those kids grew up and a bunch of them just happened to turn into those types of folks. At least it's far less jarring than watching punk kids grow up and somehow convince themselves into thinking right wing politics are truly punk.
It's all the same toolbags just a different age. They pump out what their crowd listens to. A bunch of those bands were signed for gigs at a local shit bar where me and a bunch of my buddies played and hung out. I've never seen a bigger disparity in a crowd in my life. One side of the bar was a group of dudes, mostly overweight from drinking, sweaty from beating someone's ass in a mosh pit, drinking pbr and rotgut. The other side you had enough hairgel and makeup to make ulta beauty jealous, jeans so tight they had to stuff their junk up their asses, hands full of wine coolers, and enough desperation to scare away every chick in 1000 miles. When they left they were glad they were wearing makeup because they got their asses beat the fuck down in the pit. Good times.
Surprised no mention of the great transition Pantera pulled off, maybe the most successful example of a good sound upgrade without having to change the band name.
My first thought as well. Although their fan base was basically non-existent in the Power Metal years. They had to do *something* or they would have been just another metal band that never made it. Maybe the Dimebag and Vinnie would have finally gone off and joined Megadeth. Who knows...
@@russian3736 Most of the members of bands in this video were born in the mid or late 80s to mid 90s for the youngest, like every single one of them are almost 30+ or some even approaching 40. Most all of the bands mentioned here have been making waves in the punk and metal scene for like 15 or more years. I think it's time for you to crawl out from under that rock if you think any of these bands are particularly new or young lol.
People forget there was a huge backlash on Master of Puppets, They were being accused of being sellouts back then. Because they were in almost no media back then no one really remembers.
Avenged Sevenfold is another one. When City of Evil came out a lot of their fans didn't like the lack of screaming/metalcore of the first 2 albums but they ended up getting a lot of fans and recognition from the style change and have changed it further with classic metal and prog metal albums
one thing why it works for BMTH is because theyre genuine. its clearly the music they want to write and you can tell. for example MMF just seems to be a bad attempt to sell out. also BMTH always have this BMTH twist to things, their imagery, the lyrics, the videos, the overall themes are always BMTH. it all makes sense and I think thats because oli sykes is such a great creative director.
Even then almost no one who was into bmth in the reflections/count your blessings days still likes their new stuff. They are definitely an example of a band who got an entirely new fan base. At bmth gigs these days half the crowd weren’t even alive in 2004 when they were playing deathcore
Yeah, at this point it seems like they're genuinely doing their own thing now. They're starting to innovate with their music and I can't wait see what they do next, and if it'll take off
@@bengreenbank Let's be honest most of the "haters" now are just "It isn't heavy so it's bad". I personally love every "era" of bmth, I love that new "experimental-pop/Alt rock/whatever it is-rock/metal songs recently (Ludens and Parasite Eve). I belive that if they were to write something as a fucking full on orchestra with choir singing, there'd be a reason. That said I really think they can go in any direction and you won't really go wrong. I dunno
Truth. You can tell by Parasite Eve’s BTS, they just love writing and doing stuff. I mean they did a “what if? Why not?” and got friggin MICK GORDON to make sounds and pitch in production ideas. They don’t care about being heavy, but if they want to write something heavy they will. If they don’t, they won’t.
Definitely a part two. I feel like Wage War just did that with their latest album. They put out two bangers and then BOOM radio butt rock out of nowhere.
Had to come back here just to comment - I think we need to tread lightly on the Metallica discussion. Obviously Finn - you're the GOAT and did a magnificent job with the video. We've all argued endlessly about Metallica's turn when they went to the Black Album, Load, and ReLoad...and I think collectively now - in 2020 - those albums are regarded and received well by metal and Metallica fans...granted although, hated at the initial time of their release. To this amazing music discussion and very loaded conversation...I'll say this: Finn, how was Metallica supposed to survive if they didn't evolve? The Black Album by far catapulted the band to rich millionaire megastars, and did more for them in the mainstream than Kill Em All, Justice for All, Lightning, or Puppets could have ever dreamed. They needed to follow-up in a way that didn't depart too much from the Black Album with Load and ReLoad. More importantly however - think about the timing. The 90's was full-on Grunge with Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers, STP, etc. and pop-punk with Green Day, Offspring, and Blink and eventually Nu Metal...where was the long-hair, black leather jacket, tight jeans, and dark boots look and sound of Thrash Metal supposed to go? It would have been very dated for Metallica to continue being Thrash. Look at Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer...they all stayed in their era and lane and non evolved to Metallica's level of megastardom and "Godfathers of Metal" status. Also...at that time, I remember Metallica co-headlining or headlining alongside popular acts dominating the airwaves like Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and Slipknot. So in a way...Metallica had to ditch the outdated sound and look in order to survive. True, they turned their back on their original fanbase and Thrash sound...but nowadays, most look back at Black/Load/ReLoad with a positive outlook. If it weren't for those albums...if the Thrash sound just continued through...would Metallica have survived and been crowned the Gods of Metal and granted untouchable immunity? Everything has to evolve to survive...our favorite bands are no different. Metallica still sells out stadiums around the world within minutes...can other bands say the same? All these years later...
Although you could also say that by staying in their lane, the rest of the Big 4 of Thrash managed to rack up less "hate from their fans" over the past decades than Metallica have gotten in a single given year. Even if Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer aren't really household names like Metallica these days, who's to say that it may not be what they wanted all along? Just a thought.
Metal and rock fans are the absolute worst It's either a Volbeat, Seether, or FFDP thing where the fans are like "yeah, we like it, but its literally the exact same thing as the last 3 albums" or it's a Metallica, Faith No More, Slipknot, Pearl Jam, or Korn thing where it's "wow this isn't like what they used to do, this sucks." I always like to think about it this way: if it came from another artist, would I like it? Because I would love the black album and ReLoad if it came from someone not named Metallica, so I just like those albums instead of bitching and moaning that it isn't Puppets again
@@botaniccal Very much agree with this sentiment. Many times when I hear a striking departure from a favorite band...I ask myself the same thing...If I didn't know who this was, would Iike it?
It would be interesting to see a study on bands who diversify their sound versus ones that don't and how that correlates to popularity. I would agree with your hunch that it probably doesn't work most the time.
It’s pretty touchy because I could use slipknot it as an example to both disprove and prove your point, slipknot through time was never one thing and continues that it is it’s own sound constantly evolving, but for continuities sake let’s just say it’s metal... metal in general or rock is not mainstream anymore and it doesn’t really do well, however slipknot now fits a niche
i got recommended a Code Orange song called "Dreams in inertia" on spotify a while ago. I had never heard them before and thought the song was fucking amazing. Then i listened to the rest of their output which was absolutely abysmal and couldnt believe it was the same band :( Lesnarock is about right.
The Contortionist are on such a fascinating artistic trajectory. I remember writing their first album off because the core was too strong for me (yea I was that guy, sorry) and then being mind blown by clairvoyant. And then all of a sudden everything they had done previously made total sense and I love all of it. Most hyped band for me right now!
i really love older Opeth, and listened to each of their albums up until Ghost Reveries and loved everything. I understand why they might want to play prog rock and the transition to a more prog rock sound was definitely there since the late 90's... I just wonder what it would be like to have Opeth songs that are are tight and heavy as those on Ghost Reveries but with only melodic singing... that would be like... better than Dream Theater (which i mostly like until they get into the cheesy ballads, awful keyboard sounds and mostly grating vocals)
A ton more people dig recent Opeth than you might realize. It's especially true of us older Opeth fans. Plus, they have a whole host of new fans that didn't pay them any mind back when Mikael screamed.
tomspevakdrums cover to cover it was fantastic. One thing I really liked about TDWP during their progression was that their music sounded more cohesive & put together (especially 8:18, Dead Throne, Zombie EP) compared to when you listen to like HTML Rulez D00d which sounds like they’ were focused in the breakdown & will just kinda figure out the rest of the song as they go
Load and Reload and great albums with great songs. Metallica makes good songs, it doesn’t matter if is different. It doesn’t have to be trash to be good. Hard Rock and Rock are just as good.
For some reason in flames is the one band that I've liked every album through all their stylistic changes. No idea why though. To me it seems that in flames changed a little bit on each album, not a huge change all at once like some of the bands that Finn mentions here
Absolutely. I'm one of those people that was not very happy with reroute to remain. I did see In Flames support Iced Earth in 2002 before the musical change in directions
I appreciate bands that change their sound, to me it crates a whole new window into the heart and soul of a band or group and that is what music is about! Connecting on different levels adds more solid connection emotionally and times change bands get older and can not necessarily play or sing as heavy as before so you get the mad/angry and the chill/peaceful or vise versa some bands do get better all in all it is really awesome to see unfold for most bands.
Eh when it comes to Metallica I feel like Load/Reload had some decent songs that seem to have gained a bit more respect since time has passed, and even St. Anger had some cool enough ideas that were at least listenable. Their S&M album doesn't seem to be talked about a lot, but I feel like it was pretty fantastic and an interesting take on some of their best songs.
Tallica has become a legacy classic rock act while also staying a classic metal band with a huge global audience. It is clearly mainly because of their 80s output but some of the songs that you talk about also are popular with people from the 90s and 2000s and the new metalheads just focus on their more recent neothrash albums and their classic 80s stuff. In the early 90s they became so huge that it guaranteed a huge global audience no matter what they would do. The other big 4 bands did not achieve that much success and so it seems to me they have decided to stay mostly within thrash while dabbling in other experiments not too far from that (Anthrax and Megadeth) while Slayer more or less just decided to stay with their 80s sound but with better updated production in a way not too different from what AcDc or the Stones did.
I feel like you can't put Suicide Silence into the same category as other bands because.. of the death of Mitch Lucker. We don't know in what direction they would have gone with him.
They were most likely going to have nu metal stylings with Mitch anyway. The Black Crown had a lot of nu metal influences (riffs and Jonathan Davis on a song) plus they all liked that stuff anyway from interviews
@@lifestylegaming2377 I dunno.... Become The Hunter is easily their best album and Eddie smokes it. I think they would have progressed in the same fashion. And SS's "Deftones" era wasn't that much of a depature. Gave Alex's lets a rest.
Sepultura and the Roots album would be interesting for a part 2. Very divisive but put them on the "mainstream" metal radar. Also, Host from Paradise Lost would be fun to mention, because it put them in a stylistic rut for the next records.
Part 2 pls. A couple of bands I would like to see covered: Parkway Drive: After 4 albums of metalcore, they went in a different direction, with lead vocalist Winston McCall stating that they've "outgrown metalcore". While most of their core fanbase can't stand their last two albums (I think they're decent but not as good as their early material), their new songs are WAY more popular (8 out of their top 10 on Spotify are from the past 2 albums). Avenged Sevenfold: Altho you've done a video on them already, would be interesting to hear abt how their fans reacted to all their changes (personally, I think Nightmare is their best album, with City of Evil being a close 2nd). Paramore: While I don't like anything they've done after Brand New Eyes, their newer songs seem to do rly well. My theory is that they gained more of a mainstream following with their self-titled album which more than makes up for the ppl they might have alienated.
bce5150 Some of their new song like Wishing Wells and Chronos are actually rly good imo (I also enjoyed A Deathless Song ft. Jenna McDougall, mainly for the vocals), but they’ll never top Horizons or KwAS.
It’s funny that I’ve avoided the ‘still going through puberty’ bands as much as the ‘cookie monster’ bands...but simply by understanding Metallica and Marilyn Manson a bit I can understand this WWE band...that I never heard of till this video. It’s amazing and I appreciate how focused you are on music quality over scene/hipster cred.
Why every reviewer likes Code Orange - Underneath: The record has range. Band is drawing influences from Merzbow, Skinny puppy, Converge, All out war, and grunge? Those are like, snobby underground tastemakers favorite things. Code orange definitely brings their take on all of those influences together, and has made something wholly unique, but the sound is still an amalgamation of things that heavy/dark music reviewers hold in very high regard, that the general public might not necessarily be aware of.
@@christianm6052 Thats not a defense of them, it's an explanation of why critics like them. If you don't like them, that's alright man, but no reason to dismiss somebody who does because they know how to use "amalgamation" in a sentence.
People that hate on Code Orange are sad they didn't stay a beatdown band. So glad they ditched that genre. They are creating far superior, much more memorable music these days.
@@daveisnotamused1600 Rage is a really Fun and a solid álbum, outlawed too. Their guitar work was really dope. Fronz vocals used to be more organic. The lyrics never were poetic, but they at least used to be more honest, than Just " yall, lets piss of the haters, im a badass, If you dont like this you are a pussy, SUCK MY FUCK". They start to act like a emmure parody Band just playing chuga chuga.
I think AFI just got a better budget and was able to produce their music in a way they’d wanted. Yeh they were far more Misfits punk rock, but that vibe remained just more polished
I'm early af and you're probably going to say this, but I'm walking the dog so...I feel like the bands that are successful in changing their sound is because they're truly committed to the change and often are playing with their sound, whereas changing style specifically to be radio friendly...idk, you can hear the difference.
StageDiveBomb number 0 Sum 41 put out a heavier album last year and it was so refreshing. Most pop punk bands go more pop but they went heavier and it was incredible.
A really interesting example of this is Opeth I think. They just do whatever they feel is right, even though I don't really dig much of newer stuff - they're generational talents (the dichotomy between Damnation and Deliverance is really telling a story about the kind of artists they are) . Who knows in a couple more years Ill be able to appreciate the newer stuff as well.
The big one for me is In Flames. They have so far changed their style three times. From 1994 - 2000 they were a pioneering Melodic Death Metal band, then from 2001 - 2010 they played more mainstream alternative metal/metalcore with a mix of screams and clean singing, and finally from 2012 - present they've moved to a more rockier sound with even more clean singing & less harsh screams. There's barely any metal left to their sound outside of a few songs and they're music is a far cry from what it was when they original started playing. I still enjoy all their albums but their 1994 - 2000 output was head and shoulders above anything they've released since.
Definitely do a part 2 and definitely include Opeth. After many albums of very much their own unique sound, they made a drastic change for their album Heritage. They explained why they did it and basically said: We're not going to do the old stuff anymore. We're not turning out backs on it, we'll play it live but any new album is not going to sound like that old style anymore. Like it or don't, whatever.
Yep. Most of these albums sound like low effort parodies or just totally miss the mark. Like Marilyn Mason coming out with an album saying "oh yeah this one definitely sounds like Antichrist" since 2009 and it never was the case lmao.
Funny enough that's exactly I how I felt about the last suicide silence album. Not self titled, become the hunter when they went back to deathcore it just felt forced and the album straight up put me to sleep. I have a feeling kinda like how finn was talking about st anger did more for metallica in the long run than death magnetic its going to be the same with suicide silences self titled.
I think that's what they wanted to do all along, but either made a scene album to get more popular than tech-death would have, or just became better musicians. Or both.
Yeah i remember back in those days i was in some metal forums and the narrative i saw was more in line of "deathcore is trash but Job for a Cowboy and Carnifex are kinda decent" and they were signed to Metal Blade which of course signed bands in the more metal side of metalcore and deathcore.
I kinda agree, but I think they took some of the criticism to heart that influenced their change. They went from doing pig-squeals every song and being the most well known band in the genre for that vocal style and deliberately did 0 pig squeals on everything after Doom. They clearly thought they were sick when they made Doom, but it was the aspect "real metal" fans hated the most and scene kids liked the most. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BI0wTmqsOMc.html
You gotta do a video on Just Surrender, arguably one of the catchiest and most underrated pop punk bands of all time and they barely got ANY commercial success and are almost never talked about today
I love how Finn will say "im not a fan of so and so's music" but can still give credit where credit is deserved. I really wish more people were like this.
I second, or third, this. Not only do they change it up every release, but they are very explicit about it. I’ve heard their (awesome) guitarist Jade Puget once say in an interview that you have to keep moving forward even if people won’t like it- that doing something new is always better than a return to form. They walk the walk in that regard. As a longtime fan of theirs I respect this outlook, however like many of their fans, I can’t help but think “man, wouldn’t it be great to hear more of their hardcore/post-hardcore sound again?”
I’ve always thought of AFI as being most similar to Metallica in that they have a lot of fans of their early era (Black Sails, maybe Art of Drowning and earlier), they have a lot of fans of their modern era (Sing the Sorrow forward), but seemingly very few who like both.
You did not mention my favorite band Celtic Frost! They were originally the earliest form of Black Metal as the band Hellhammer, similar to Venom with lyrics about Satan, but then changed their sound to be more early atmospheric or avant-garde black metal with occult references and adding more ethereal vocals and focusing on nature leading to them changing their name to Celtic Frost! Now Celt Frost for the most part had that early Thrash sound like Venom, but had ethereal vocals being a little bit more like Bathory, but on the late 80 s, ; my favorite band Celtic Frost released Cold Lake, which pretty much was a great glam metal album. Thomas Gabriel Fisher/ Warrior looked like a Viking in spandex for the music video to Theo single Cherry Orchards and got on Headbanger’s Ball! The fans hated the album , and Celtic Frost hated the album, but the critics and the record label loved the album. I personally love the album, but I love actual glam metal, but can’t stand glam pop rock. Thankfully, Martin Eric Ain. , who sadly already died , hated the album so much that the next album was a return to their early avant-garde black metal or early atmospheric black metal sound, and everyone loved them again except all of the new critics that loved them and the record label and Headbanger’s Ball until 2006 when they released Monotheist, which to me sounds like a precursor to what some of these newer mor atmospheric black metal bands are doing now. I remember watching them on Headbangers Bsll 2! I missed them for Headbangers Ball in 88, but I did watch them on VH1classic Metal Maniacs, and Dying God Coming internet o Human Flesh on Fuse’s Uranium and MTV’s Headbanger’s Ball.
Man, don’t see Code Orange being anything like Orgy. Either way, CO is one of the few that has successfully meshed several genres together. One of the best bands out there.
I dont think they've strayed from their sound either, if anything they've just added new sounds to their sound. Underneath sounds like code orange to me, with heavy NIN and other industrial influences.
I can see the orgy comparison, and I'm less inclined to listen to any of clean Beth vocals, but then they always come back with something brutal like swallowing the rabbit whole. Kids version is the best version imo tho
True. Whenever Finn brings them up he seems to really not get them haha. Not shitting on the guy, love his videos, but I think that Code Orange flipped the script from both a musical and business perspective, and it goes against Finn's experience of what should work, hence his takes on them always amounting essentially to, "yeah I don't get it."
One of the things that bring me the horizon did was gradually change their style as opposed to just going from count your blessings to amo and I think that made the eventual release of amo way more digestible. Great video fin, I think a band that changed their style and pissed off a few fans but took them to that Headliner status was Parkway Drive.
Me and my friend say Parkway's last two albums have been their most consistent compared to previous stuff. There was definitely filler on their previous albums in my opinion
Even then almost no one who was into bmth in the reflections/count your blessings days still likes their new stuff. They are definitely an example of a band who got an entirely new fan base. At bmth gigs these days half the crowd weren’t even alive in 2004 when they were playing deathcore
@@abelsanchez2070 I guess you could say The Stage was their 'Death Magnetic'. I would have been thrilled if both Metiallica and A7X stayed in the realm of their first 2-3 albums, but it's ok to mellow out and 'mature' - it gave us some interesting stuff still very worth listening to - but I can't listen to their newer albums on repeat the same way you can with their early offerings.
I remember reading an article about German heavy metal band Grave Digger. In 1986, for their third album, they changed their name to just Digger and released a hard rock/hair metal material. Their fans hated it (some even smashing LPs in public if I remember correctly) so the band disbanded for a few years. After reuniting with their classic sound they regained their metal credibility.
Code Orange gets love because they always have. They got love when they were that DIY beatdown sounding band because it was cool to love them, but then as they got bigger and their albums had a budget, they started making music they wanted to make. Since it was cool to like them, no one's gonna bad mouth them. Besides, the music they make is cool as shit. They do what they do VERY well. An example of a band that changed their sound and audience is Hundredth. Wish you talked about this. They were THE hardcore/metalcore band. They drew huge crowds of sweaty meatheads at warped tour. Their energy was unstoppable. They were growing so quickly and EVERYONE had their merch. Every band was wearing their shorts. Then, with the departure of Blake, they changed to a shoegaze band. The change from a super aggressive hardcore band to a very down to earth shoegaze band was insane. No one really hated it though. They were still making good music, it just wasn't that fast paced mosh music everyone was used to. Now, all the cool kids that cuff their pants and wear shirts they found at goodwill listen to them, and the buff meatheads moved on without a word, because Knocked Loose is the new up-and-coming band.
Would love a part 2! I hate when bands blindside me with a change in sound and I hate it at first, but then realize I was being close minded and end up loving it.
i would actually say that the Black Album is just a straight up Heavy Metal record. Now Load and Reload thats more Hard Rock tbh. But the video was great👌
the way Arctic Monkeys changed their sound over the years is interesting. i personally like it a lot, but the majority of their fans rather listen to the old british indie stuff.
the new stuff is really boring. it's one thing to change the sound but man, a whole record of suuuper slow, minimalistic indie pop? at least i know what to listen to when i can't fall asleep...
@@antille666 I didn't like their latest album at first, but the album is a masterwork. Slow yes, but the lyrics and music are just so soothing. It's like having your best sci-fi book read to you while you are in a bubble bath.
Absolutely hate the new stuff. They’ve lost so much of what made them great. Tight drumming, groovy bass lines and intersecting guitar lines. The new stuff just seem to sound like the exact opposite of what they started out as.
@@Haraamcore13 Change is not bad, maybe just more of their first two albums would have been great, but they didn't go down that route. Some bands change their sound and if it changes to something good than all the better for it. They got slower but they also grew up, from songs about life as a teenager in Sheffield to songs about women to SPACE. You don't have to like it ofcourse but IMO I think their latest album is a masterpiece.
It's so awesome going on 40 and being totally out of touch with any scene: neither do I know what's cool nor do I care. It's probably one of my favourite things about getting old.
Amen! The democracy of the Internet has made new "good" music harder to find. But also, nearly all the bands mentioned in this video (minus old Metallica) sound downright awful to me.
People hated it back then bc it was something different and the thrash scene was an underground thing that the fans didn't want the mainstream ruining. I don't hate it but it does start the beginning of metallica becoming a generic hard rock band.
People love hating it today... they forget when it came out, it was the hottest thing in decades... metal fans were on board. Load was the deal breaker: "they cut their hair". Lol
please do an AFI one! they shed fans like a snake sheds skin, they DGAF. it should be easy to document their eras with the footage that's out there. 90's/2000/2003/2006 etc.
I'd say with Code Orange, as a fan, they have evolved as musicians. Once they changed to just Code Orange the industrial/edm chopping of their music really set them off. I think they were very influential and not very many bands sound like them, and due to the hip hop influence of their music they stand out from the hardcore scene more than most bands. Plus they're great at promoting the band. They had the deal with WWE, they done the first live stream concert to an empty venue. In my eyes they are pioneers, and will only continue to get bigger at this point.
Like Finn said in his video, I think his point of "the fans were just not ready for it" point with SS is comparable with 30STM and I agree with you. I actually really like some of their newer songs, particularly off of their This Is War album when they departed the sound. But America was kind of a slap to the face for me when I heard about it because it just brought these deep associations when Linkin Park tried to release One More Light. It was just too much change and a departure from their original sound, combined with the musical criticisms I have for it as well, that made me have a bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah their new stuff is so goddamn bad but I love their old stuff like bury me is a masterpiece in my eyes but whatever this album that says doggie style on it or whatever like what was that about. Every song was so bad.
hoping you mentioned Radiohead, they changed their style practically every album after the Bends. From grunge (Pablo Honey) to alt/britpop (the Bends), OK Computer (Alternative, electronic rock), Kid A (experimental, electronic), Amnesiac (also experimental, but Jazzy), Hail to the Thief (political rock, art rock), In Rainbows (The free album??), the King of Limbs (my least fav album -- but another experimental/electronic), and a Moon Shaped Pool, which is an amalgamation of a bunch of shit. And they still release some britpop/alt rock songs (Man of War, Lift)
I feel like for a band to succeed in changing their sound it has to actually be something they want to do because they actually want to change their sound and not because they feel like it will reach a wider audience but I don’t have much knowledge on the music industry so I might be 100% wrong but it’s just how I believe it works
I think Linkin Park is a good example of a band just playing whatever is currently commercially popular and always being successful doing it. They’re definitely an example of money chasing working out for them. Maroon 5 is another example
That's why people loved The Story So Far's last album so much. They had grown up and weren't mad about everything anymore. Their music reflected who they were as people and it was so genuine that people took it with open arms
What you said about Miley Cyrus reminded me about a metal band I was in back in '09. We covered her song "Start All Over." We did it to get people riled up, but we ended up getting asked to play that song a lot at shows. Sometimes doing the unsafe thing is the best thing.
One band that seemed to survive a major transition thing well is Thrice. They had a major shift with the fourth record (Vhiessu) that had a huge back lash, but over time seems to now be regarded as their best work. Its weird for me, because I used to book local hardcore bands in 2005 and most of them were in love with the 2nd album illusion of safety (metal meets which skate punk) and hated that 4th album. They seemed to also have benefited from taking a 5 year break, where a lot of their older fans now accepting the post-vhiessu thrice sound.
Beasties also changed as people. They were party boys doing heavy punk and rap, booze and drugs. Then they became Buddhist and more creative/artsy, synth, pop rock, electronic
Hundredth did a massive shift. Admittedly I’d never heard of them before their change. But if you haven’t heard of them search them up for the contrast between FREE (2015) and RARE (2017)
Torben Nielsen dude that pissed me off. Because first they went too far away from the original sound, just like completely different band. And also because they just hopped on the trend of the title fight style bands
Hayden Corr Seriously. Weren’t they a christian band also? They literally just hopped on the whole “shoegaze” style that was seeing another resurgence in bands that were moving in that direction organically or started with that sound.
Honestly I prefer new Hundredth much more than old Hundredth. Before they were just a generic melodic hardcore band, now they actually are somewhat unique
They also seem like whenever anyone asks about their old sound they refuse to elaborate on it. i dont understand why either. Its not that the new music is bad either. Kinda reminds me of ceremony. And yes, i thought turnover and hundredth ripped off Hyperview a little bit haha
These are all legit observations and I want answers too! I saw them 2017 warped tour as RARE was coming out and they got on stage, said they're playing all new songs off RARE, and no old ones... More than half of us walked away from the stage.
I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't see why everyone hated the black album so much. It's not as thrashy as their previous stuff but there's still some great songs with bangin riffs on it. However load and reload do suck with the exception of a few songs
I should note that when you point out bands that changed their sound and it worked that you don't mention some of earlier ones that did it successfully; The Cure, RHCP, etc
Code Orange today has way more in common with 90s Alternative and Industrial metal than with Orgy who were basically new wave pop meets metal (which I enjoyed growing up) I love Code Orange's most recent two albums, they really dont sound like anything or anyone else out there. When everyone else is going for clean digital they're going full grungy analog a la Rob Zombie, early NIN and Ministry. They are this weird mix of industrial, alternative, hardcore and art metal. Writing them off as a WWE band I feel like is a slap in the face to their actual work.
As a huge Industrial music fan (both industrial metal and the non metal side of industrial music) the Orgy's album Punk Statik Paranoia is 100 percent an industrial metal album and also so very underrated. Their fist album (the one most people judge the band on as it's all most people have heard) I don't really like.
