Bankrupt - Hyperloop One 

They all jumped to "what if I replace all my workforce and creatives by AI" now. Billionaires are dangerous idiots.

Basically the same mindset who use private jets instead of scheduled airlines.

Why not? They did the same with energy.

I like where the idea is going, but can we do it in such way that is as LIKELY to fail as possible? Can we squeeze that in somehow?

It’s basically them saying “if it isn’t making ME money then nobody gets it.” Making everything privatized is a billionaires wet dream

Almost impossible in the US unfortunately.

It drives me so crazy because every "new" mass transportation concept is ultimately a shittier version of the train. It's almost like the train is most efficient form of mass transportation and we're collectively too stupid to realize that.

LOOK CHY-NA!

^^^^ this

@@trinodot8112Silicon Valley tech bros don't like the train because it's more efficient than their ultimate preferred self driving robotaxi EVs

Spot on!

The problem was that the hyperloop would have had trouble going up and down. It would have scraped along the inside of the tube during any gradient change. The proposed solution was to blast a tunnel through any inconvenient "bump" in the topography so it would travel through nothing but flat level tubes. This rendering showed how committed they were to this concept.

You just dont get it. They would have built a special section of the tube, that can be opened and folded upwards like some bridges in the netherlands. It is so easy, that they didnt even bother to show that part😂

@@scottlarson1548 Love that. Thank god California isn't known for natural disasters that cause the ground to shift otherwise someone could get sued.

@@costcorotisseriechicken2520 Well, there actually are tunnels in California.

Trains are fine. It is illegal to build tracks in America.

you just reminded me of the monorail episode of the Simpsons..

There's no money to be made in using reliable cheap solutions. I mean, there's money, it's just regular money. A few millions. Not billions of crazy tech investors money for pipe dreams. And what can you do with just a few millions? That's just regular people income, that's gross 🧐

@@leparfumdugrosboss4216 No. If you want to build a train across my land you have to pay me $100 million. I own 16 acres and will not sell for less than that.

@@davidbeppler3032 so you as a land owner would make money, but I'm speaking about the people who build the train (or hyperloop, but they would have less liberty in choosing to cross your land or not, since hyperloop has to go straight). Also, mister Eminent Domain has bad news for you 😅

Yeah, it is way too easy for it to have a catastrophic failure and literally implode.

@@greybeardedgamer9383 The biggest point of failure in the concept in the pressurization of the tube... And everyone's worst fear especially after the Titan submarine implosion. I have a feeling that was the last straw for Hyperloop even though they weren't directly related. In people's minds the concept of being smushed to bits in a blink of an eye from one wrong weld scared off a lot of people. I think if the tubes weren't pressurized or even just mildly so it would work, just not at the speeds and efficiencies promised. Two companies are working on passive maglev add-on equipment for existing railways which to me seems much more viable. Ironlev and Nemovo....

It's crazy the hurdles high speed rail has to overcome in the US. Most rail is privately owned. And it isn't as straight or level as it needs to be.

It was pushed on purpose by Musk to try to detract from high speed rail projects. It's a scam and a telling indictment on the modern world that anyone would ever buy into it.

although we can't trust people to obey railroad signs so it won't happen here in the USA

How could you come to that outlandish conclusion?!

@@Skullair313 elon actually admitted himself that hyperloop was meant to take attention away from the HSR.

Reminds me of that money laundering outfit known as N A S A

​@@pivotkid85has Elon been truthful about anything? It might not be his intention but he did take tax payer money for a project that never meant to be anything more than a show piece.

And Tesla is an og that collects funds from lefties so Spacex gets to burn unlimited hydrocarbons for leo transport.

A lot of ideas that originate with Musk have come around in order to pressure american cities and states against investing in public transportation. Don't invest in high speed rail, because we have the hyperloop coming! Don't invest in expanded bus services, you'll look silly when the self driving cars replace those! Don't invest in a subway system, not when we can build tons of car tunnels! Any analysis of many of Musk's ideas is incomplete without looking at how those ideas have been used to shut down public transportation expansion. They aren't meant to be ideas that succeed, just ideas that can be around long enough to shut down proposals of transportation options that already exist and keep people in cars. Almost like the guy benefits from car dependency somehow...

thundarfeet believes the Model Y is vaporware. Keep that in mind.

@davidbeppler3032 don't remember him saying that, but I believe you, i properly don't agree with him in that case 😉 (as a tesla owner myself) but there is plenty vaporware to go around, like the tesla bot and semi.

​@@davidbeppler3032 *EDIT* - Mistook Thunderf00t with ADAM SOMETHING - who has since changed the video title and added a specific description and all. The video title is now "Electric Buses are a scam*" (and the asterisk explanation is in the description) ---- He (Adam Something, not Thunderf00t) also believes electric busses in cities is a dumb idea (it isn't for a plethora reasons) I don't always agree with Thunderfoot but more often than not his content is incredibly valid - I just hope people don't start taking _immediately_ trusting or agreeing with him blindly ahahaha

@@ProtoMarcus electric buses either catch on fire when it is hot or don't work when it is cold. fyi we have electric trams that are over a century old that work better and more reliable than electric buses.

@@toomanyaccounts We've had electric buses for a while in Montréal and they've been working perfectly fine through frigid winters and hot summers. They are not the best choice for every environment or setting (urban vs suburbs, etc) but for downtown transit they are not at all a dumb idea (quieter, cleaner, etc) And Québec produces a lot of electricity (... but doesn't know how to properly use it...) so energy isn't an issue either The video wasn't debating the pros and cons, it was blindly claiming Electric Buses are a dumb idea period. And even with your points, it can be reasonably debated that they may not be the best solution within those conditions, but they can still be an excellent solution within other conditions They definitely have issues - but they're not dumb (in most settings!)

Yup. The nonsense Vegas loop is an example. CEO of a car company thinks cars are the future. Im shocked!

@@SRParsonage I just bought an electric car, myself. It was a $14,000 Chevrolet Bolt. This year they'll install adapters so I can use Tesla chargers. Thanks for the subsidy, 60K Tesla buyers!

@@jeremy____5747 yeah, but the suburbs are essentially a Ponzi scheme so your electric car is basically a pat on the back rather than a solution.

People keep inventing "The Train: But Worse" over and over again because, at least in the US, we have this bizarre aversion to trains.

@@jeremy____5747 as someone who has driven a tesla before, they are absolute dogshit with buggy software, broken safety features and rapidly depreciating range. but it's fast, and that's all that matters! /s

yea I was about to say, it like no engineers looked at this and told them this wont work this is a dumb idea.

Even worse if you look at the concept art where they use air in a vacuum.

Was not created by Helies musk! its been around for 120 years he just scrounges off others!

There's a damn good REASON the Golden Gate Bridge is that high above the water!

@@Scorpidoo Hyperloop is not a vacuum (it's not a vactrain), it's a low pressure tube.

i am pretty sure he means that the cabins would need to be kept pressurized since outside the cabin would be a vaccuum

@@davidclark4919 That's what he should have said. Instead, he repeatedly referred to the tube as being pressurized as in 13:02.

The situation would actually be even more challenging than for a spacecraft. The challenge with the pod barely even starts with keeping it pressurized against the vacuum outside. First, you need a system able to supply the people on-board with oxygen and remove CO2 _for several hours_ and that autonomously. Why? Because in case of an emergency, you cannot evacuate the vehicle and the tube, you'll have to wait for someone to get your pod out (after getting all the other pods between the next station and you). Second, you need a fully autonomous closed-loop air conditioning, one that can do without air circulation with an outside heat sink or other means of heat conduction. Third, you need a massive on-board battery able to power the previous two systems for several hours.

It's similar to the pressure differences involved with a submarine at depth. If the two pressures ever get together, someone is going to have a very bad day.

thanks for that, it makes more sense, he definately got it wrong calling the tube pressurised, it just didnt make sense, but vacuum yes. its like a mag lev submarine...

it took decades to make meglevs, and than it was too costly to be made in large scale. the hyperloop companies decided we can make it in a few years, if we add the simple part of also making it in a vacuum tube, oh, and also making the tube on a scale that was never even considered before. surprise, they failed with the time and budget while the concept was dead from start already. the investors should sue the hype sellers, and the governments that spent money on this should be removed from office and probably jailed for wasting the taxpayers money.

This is the single thread that runs through all the corporate welfare schemes. Get hundreds of millions in government grants to raise billions in investments to take over or kill a market/product/service.

It was all hype and no loop

@@rickb3650 While never actually being profitable, just relying on continued cash infusions the whole time, setting massive amounts of wealth and labor on fire, just to funnel whatever remains upward to golden parachutes.

Don't forget all the wonderful CGI videos.

It's a bit like an illusionist roadshow of Houdini, Copperfield and the likes - Presentation is everything and facts are secondary.

That could’ve been a underground stop for a metro/sunway line

Clearly there wasn't enough RGB for it to work...

@@Xorthis 😂😂

I like how you put humans in quotation marks, as if there's a possibility they were androids or something. 🤣

Good one!😂

They didn't even reinvent the train.

Typical Richard Branson 🤡 show.

It looked pretty damn bumpity bumpy too. Woops! Hot coffee in your lap.

If you're as fundamentally ignorant as Musk has demonstrated himself to be, your imagination can really take flight! That's the kind of genius-level mind that claims that the stupid hype loop "Is not that hard!"

No physics problem with the hyperloop.

I enjoyed their CGI depictions of Hyperloop trains making sharp 90 degree turns at 600 miles an hour.

@@scottlarson1548 Same thing happens in airplanes! Splat!

@@davidbeppler3032 ????? Airplanes do not make sharp 90 degree turns at 600 MPH.

I rode the Shinkansen in Japan. It was a religious experience. I would go back to Japan JUST to ride the Shinkansen. Japan: Where the journey really IS the destination.

You’re correct lol

That's because you aren't a billionaire that doesn't want to travel with plebs.

it was never supposed to make sense. It was only supposed to kill public transit lines for a long as possible.

@@kingsteve4304 100 years from now, a Paiute shaman will rattle a hand drum and chant while he kneels in the dunes reclaiming Las Vegas.

In addition to the logical fallacy of the argument from authority, too many people don't even have a basic concept of physics & engineering, and take their cues from renderite.

Another great exemple of "private capital allowing funds optimally" 🙄

Good ideas don't mind being challenged. Bad ideas HATE being challenged.

There is always money to be made in stupid s#!t.

But not just any train. a vacuum sealed train. Still dumber than normal ass trains. But you have correctly reached train enlightenment. Good job.

@@tytothetoetaker9788If i put a hard, cylinder shaped object in a vacuum cleaner, does that count as a Hyperloop?

@@YukariAkiyama is the cylinder object a toy train

your mistake was believing one of the biggest fraudsters in human history.

@@tytothetoetaker9788 No. it is hard and made of organic material

I think he should be legally prosecuted for this. Do you have any idea how much better California would be with more ways to eschew cars?

@@merylcruz3820 The SEC needs to get serious and go after him for stock fraud. Musk's only demonstrated "genius" lies in pump and dump schemes. But aside from him, every idiot county councilman who endorsed one of Musk's idiotic tunnel schemes needs to suffer consequences.

@@merylcruz3820 I agree. People should not have rights. Take those away and just build the trains. Problem solved.

​@@merylcruz3820 Yes we should jail people for ideas you dont like with hindsight

@@merylcruz3820 Elon is a en egomaniac and an asshole, but unfortunately that's not a crime. What he did was highly immoral, but the blame is on all those elon dick riders who took his "idea" and hailed it as the holy grail instead of laughing about it.

But worse and more expensive

So... how do you get around not being allowed to build railroad tracks? It has nothing to do with trains. Tracks are illegal in America.

@@davidbeppler3032 ...huh?

Trains are 1800's technology. Being stuck on tracks makes it largely uneconomical other than for bulk goods.

​​​@@stephenw2992Did you ever read anything about the economics of rail transport? It amazes me how you can say something so utterly wrong with such confidence.

​@@davidbeppler3032 being smart and thinkjng about the future is illegal in america, along with being happy & owning property.

I was waiting to see if someone would bring up the issue of land acquisition, good on you. You can't simply run a huge tube across someone's ranch or backyard for free. That alone would cost billions, and that's before any of the technical problems are addressed.

And is the tube bullet proof?

The passenger numbers thing is the most obvious problem IMO. Just compare what they have and plain old trains. Freight is beyond dumb, I don't even know where to start.

Thermal expansion and leaks. The predicted running pressure difference is tiny compared to pipelines that have no leaks. Sealing expansion joints is bordering on trivial. Pumping out air is significantly easier for hyperloop compare to an empty tube since the pods themselves will concentrate the air towards eclvacuation pumps. Pipe breaches can be mitigated by controlled bleed air ahead of the supposed wall of air. Combined with baffle doors. Baffle doors and large wall openings can provide sufficient access for recovery. Its not all maglev and can have rails or other track for works vehicles. Passenger access does not have to be fast or ftom a vaccum since track switching has been demonstrated with no moving track or tube required. Simply divert a pod to a side track at full line speed, then isolate that side track with baffle doors and increase pressure to ambient. Gotta do better than raise objections that have been solved years ago. Land acquisition, yup a project killer, as too is the expected running cost.

Also: life support system onboard the pod for the case of an emergency, with evacuation hours away: solvable but would make the pod extremely heavy & bulky, or if you go without then a simple high-voltage cable failure could kill everyone in the tube by suffocation.

Someone rigged a roller-coaster sledge 😂

Sounds like something like that already exists... 🤔

Aye they basically built that weird tunnel chute from the Running man

But, also think about this: *both* of these are unique to the US in the developed world. Should tell you that something is (or even multiple somethings are) very wrong in the US economic model.

The common cause of Medical bills is OBESITY.

Is it? I would think unsustainable service burdens would be more likely. Budgets for roads in most US cities is only around 2-4%, so that alone seems unlikely to cause bankruptcy. Maybe a really bad water or electricity system could be a cause? In the UK council bankruptcies are either down to rather unique circumstances like legal disputes or overwhelming service burdens like social care.

@@Croz89 Infrastructure goes far beyond roads, potable water, or electricity. Bridges cost far more to build and maintain than roads, handling sewer water or rain water is more expensive than potable water, and electricity is primarily handled by private industry as far as I know. It’s hard to say between the US and the UK, but the legal disputes that you speak of may be related to an infrastructure project.

@@Daneelro Bankruptcy from infrastructure projects are not unique to the United States. Think about how much it must cost to rebuild public infrastructure after a war.

I was gonna comment something regarding that; it's sitting wayyy too low for ships to pass through. Good to know it wasn't just me who noticed.

I thought that too!

Funny that ships need to pass that point to reach one of Musk's Tesla car export wharfs.

Even better: if the cargo ship was carrying parts that would go toward making the new hyperloop. In fact, here are my imagined headlines: “Ill advised hyperloop spawning the Golden Gate destroyed by cargo ship carrying parts for the hyperloop system.” “Traffic on Golden Gate Bridge unaffected by impact.: “Marin County Resident: ‘We rejected a proposal to bring BART to Marin; why did we allow this?’” “Golden Gate Bridge Authority: ‘remember that proposal to build a second, lower deck on the Golden Gate Bridge for BART? Just saying, that was far enough over the water to allow cargo ships.” “Muskrat simps: ‘Advances in science and technology will allow us to make the bridge immune to cargo ship impact.’” “Opinion: forget how ridiculous Hyperloop is: what was the POINT of running a hyperloop connecting San Francisco to Marin County? The distances and number of people involved make it infeasible for HSR. The area would be better served with a commuter rail. Like that proposal to have BART run on a new lower deck for the Golden Gate Bridge (okay, I didn’t intend to bring that up three times. But it was a real proposal).

@@CSXIVMy thought was how many people are traveling from LA to San Fran like that ? It’s not that many. It’s not like NY to DC or Boston. Fucking dumb. It’s almost like they do no research.

Yeah, that's why I always thought it was stupid for these hyperloop concepts to always show it running above land. There's too many obstacles running just above ground level in all but a few places (like the middle of nowhere). In most cases, if something like this was going to be built, it would have to be bored out underground or run under the ocean to connect continents. All this infrastructure would cost a fortune to build out.

@@nicholaseckhart7900 Hence, airliners flying above ground obstacles, above weather and at max performance air density.

@@nicholaseckhart7900 Costing a fortune would be no problem if it were a sensible option of mass transportation that can expect long-term stable income - like high-speed rail or subways (or even airports). But those pods have a fraction of the carrying capacity of trains, the pods _and_ the tubes are a death trap in case of any emergency (forget explosive depressurization or tube implosion or earthquakes: you'll just suffocate if there is a power loss or leak and the pods get stuck in the tunnel for hours), maintaining this would be a nightmare (it's already damn difficult to find a leak in an overpressurized vessel, it's near impossible for a large vacuum chamber; and you'll have to stop, pressurize and then re-depressurize for any small repairs), you cannot rely on connections to existing infrastructure (like say HSR which can continue on conventional rail), and so on.

Yep. Curve radii on the never TGV lines in France have minimum curve radiuses above 4 miles, you'd need much more at the proposed Hyperloop speeds. Reminds me of the Brad Pitt film Bullet Train, which takes place onboard a fictional Japanese train. The film was made on the basis of a Japanese book, but it was so obviously made for a US audience with no clue about rail travel, it's full of painfully unrealistic CGI, including whizzing by tight curves and bad guys just casually walking along the train roof next to the high-voltage catenary...

The concept wthout vacuum goes back to the 1800s, a specific vacuum implementation was even patented in the 50s (US2511979). But people just knew it would be too stupidly expensive to ever build, so no one did it. Until a certain person made waves with "his" genius idea and pushed people to waste billions of dollars for a stupid idea that in the end didn't work and fizzled out. I wonder what caused humanity to decline so far that a "this is a stupid waste of money and won't work, let's not do that" managed to turn to a "woohoo Elon wooooooo let's goo!"

Fun times if one if those technical issues meant that passengers had to be transferred from one train, sorry from one pod to another pod whilst in the tunnels. Guess you would have to fill the tube up with air for safety redundancy and then once everything is fine then wait a few days for it all to be pumped out again. Or just take some chances on transferring those passengers under vacuum, l mean it would probably be alright as long as nothing unforseen should occur and how often does anything like that ever happen anyhow?

Yes, those two scams are like peas in a pod.

Fittingly, it was just announced that "NEOM the Line" was scaled down to a more manageable length of 2.5 km (down from 160). Reality is what bites you in the rear even if you don't believe in it.

@@richardmetzler7909 Don't worry, it'll be scaled down to a more manageable length of non existent soon enough.

Those were simpler times

@@alfgwahigain5544 Not at all, one was definitely a grift, the other was obviously the Glomar Explorer.

Ya think?

And the genius of wanting to build one in an earthquake zone...

Add to that the potential for terrorist attacks, crazy people and just basic force majeure (eg. a truck crash wrecks the tube), plus of course earthquakes, storms and other weather phenomena, all the while ignoring problems such as thermal expansion, the list goes on and on. EEvblog and others covered this so many times, likewise with solar roadways and other grift projects that just suck up state and investor spending. In the science rags, I remember, a lot of these ideas were promoted on the back of "hope" and other wishy washy notions that all derived from emotional sophistic twaddle, melded with eco hype. One sees the same thing with pod transport in cities, it's just an excuse to spend, while those who point out the obvious flaws at the beginning are ignored or shouted down.

Also, even if there is just a power loss or non-explosive depressurization and all the pods travelling get stuck, everyone dies unless they have a method to get the pods out of the tube and quickly. Because you cannot evacuate from the pods while in the tunnel, all the air you have is in the pod, and all the CO2 you breathe out stays in the pod. You could solve these problems with a life support system like on a spaceship, only even more elaborate because you cannot power the system with solar cells (you'll need batteries instead) and cannot lose heat with big radiators. All this would make your pod much larger & heavier, with more mass & machinery per passenger than normal rail or maglev, while your track is already more expensive per mile. (People forget that Elon's only real contribution to the 100-year-old vacuum train idea was to keep the pods away from the walls with air cushion - but all the franchised developers quickly realised that this won't work as the pods would smash onto the walls from the smallest disturbance while the vacuum pumps would struggle to get out the added air. Hence the maglev in vacuum, which is already more expensive track than even normal maglev.)

@@Daneelro It always was a rather contradictory notion that there would be an air cushion while at the same time the air pressure would be low to reduce friction (in which case, what air cushion?). The devil is as usual in the nuance. Same thing with Musk's witterings about Mars, it was all hype and hope, but the media and science rags went nuts for it, completely ignoring the dozens of very serious practical, engeering, legal and ethical problems involved. I was especially shocked that science mags ignored the real issues. But there are I suppose those who hang off Musk's every word, and investors who follow along, or public entities happy to throw free stuff at whoever has jumped onto the relevant bandwagon. It's frustrating because sometimes what he says and does about free speech issues, speaking out against certain elite classes, wokeness, etc. has significant merit, but it's sadly often not consistent. He really is quite the oddball. The Mars thing was a shame though because he didn't come up with or invent anything, it was nothing more than a call for "ideas", which kicked off a whole wave of complete insanity where actual experts in the field were ignored, while instead people who knew nothing about rocketry, space engineering, ec. were encouraged to submit suggestions (ie. the general public, as if they have a flying clue). Funny how this absurd MO is not promoted when someone wants brain surgery. :}

@@Daneelro And all this to carry 10 people per train, how could anybody invest into it and expect anything but total loss :D

Musk's companies have sucked up many billions in government funding. Both Tesla and space X have received massive payments. I don't doubt for one bit this was another scheme to grab money for his buddys, or get in on some stock before pumping it.

I wonder if they had the same PR company as Segway.

It was dumb and obviously I’ll conceived!!!

Not to mention physics and physiology.

Even if they just built the tunnels between two popular destinations, those could have been used for something else, even if hyperloop didn’t work out, they couldn’t even do that. They were stuck in concept lala land.

This is what frustrates me about this channel and a few others. They deliberately distory the story to fit their format. Hyperloop one wasn't really a startup that failed. It was a lobbying campaign. Once you know that this entire video becomes pointless.

But wait, I thought government was good at investing.

Profit more than spite. Look up how much lobbying against rail have car & plane companies done throughout the years. The amount of money spent on legal bribes is astounding. The biggest fail of US "democracy" is that politicians can be openly bought to protect interests of companies over their own people. Until that changes, nothing will ever improve for the people.

@@bdreed85 they are, just not for the people.

Pretty much all of the alternate transit proposals you see these days from silicon Valley and elsewhere fit into this category. There is an extreme aversion to investing in what works (trains and buses) while companies like hyperloop can just burn endless amounts of money. Truly perplexing

Its in a vaccum, and theres a big ass fan on the front. Ooookkkkaaàyyyyyy.

True noticed that when this was ongoing😂😂😂 Its actually hard to believe how easy it is too fool people, especially people with high salaries.

When you get to that level, most of the people won't have any practical technical experience. It becomes an exercise in marketing and generating hype for the next funding round.

Musk literally talked about it being levitated on air skis, inside a depressurized tube... That tells you all you need to know about the claims of him being an "engineer". More like a cosplay engineer lmao

The investors are dumb for putting money into this

Land of the free (if you have a car)

You watching too many Adam Something. Me too man. I want train and tram everywhere. My country got decent intercity train. Not high speed but there are many commuter. But lack public transport for inside city.

LMFAO....are you stupid or a bot? You're describing a TRAIN. The whole point of hyperloop is the use of vacuum tubes. I guess you could make the tubes transparent using thick acrylic and add windows into the capsule/pod if you want to keep the pipedream alive...🤣

Yeah. Adam something seems to get too much enjoyment out of showing how awesome trains are, and how smooth brained the Hyperloop idea was.

It just a train XD

You are not gonna believe this

Or like the entire city of New York.

Or Costco point of sale stations. LOL!

We've solved mass transit for hamsters!

Dont support HSR, it will only increase taxes, especially for half the voters who prefer to drive or fly everywhere.

The distances in America make planes way more practical

@@redbullsauberpetronasthere are in fact many cities that next to each other. You would take a train ride form LA to New York uou would take a train between all the massive cities next to each other.

@@AL-lh2ht I'm guessing you've never lived in the Midwest or any less populated western state, that would never be practical in the parts of the country I've lived in

@@redbullsauberpetronas We connected the east and west coast with rail lines in the literal 1800s. I think we could figure it out. Also, the contiguous US is not as big as China and they seem to have figured out the whole rail over massive distances thing.

Loop means returns back

Its just a stupid idea,thats all!

Even if the engineering problems of the hyperloop could be solved, the cost to benefit ratio would still kill the concept.

Another job well done - who wants to invest in legacy things.

​@@TylerDurden-pk5kmhumans.

Oh wait no it failed, CHSR is still going through and there are even private investors getting involved in the HSR game (Brightline will get to true HSR eventually, give them time)

That was a side benifit, it really was another Glomar Explorer.

@@TylerDurden-pk5kmBecause unlike fanciful, unproven concepts like Hyperloop, they actually work? Millions of people already travel by high speed rail each day, it’s a proven and mature mode of transport.

Interesting, thanks for the information.

Ah yes, the smell of beef and rats getting turned into a fine paste. Well, there's your problem.

"so a fun fact" That was a quite different project. It was called the "Atmospheric Railway". The passengers travelled in a normal railway carriage. The tube was underneath the train. In the tube was a piston which was attached to the train. Air was evacuated ahead of the piston, so air pressure behind it pushed it forwards. This one was designed by Brunel, but there were others.

this isnt' actually what you think it is. the design involved a train with above the tube that was pushed by the air underneath it.

Well there's your problem.

Eon actually did listen to the experts, that's why he didn't invest any of his time or resources into developing any hyperloop projects.

Scam how? Elon openly said it wasn't worth him persuing, and he didn't take money from anyone else that did pursue it. The people involved aren't idiots, they knew that this was going to be difficult to achieve, but when you're a university student its more interesting to be challenged to solve a problem that doesn't have a solution than working on something more mundane.

​@@Axel_Andersen such a fine individual you are

Mid 2010s were such a neat time in retrospect. The whole hyperloop thing appeared when I was starting college for mechanical engineering. Everyone I talked to said basically „nah, that’s never going to happen“ not even because of the engineering side of things, but bc the infrastructure needed to be built was so much more complex than rail. But still everyone loved the project. If these rich people have the money to sink into this, then why deny fellow engineers the job opportunity. Also, material sciences could make another step with that kind of requirement and investment. I can’t imagine such a mindset post pandemic Back then we didn’t realize how it was going to mess up public transportation investment, sadly.

@@kathym3188 Your last sentence answers your rhetorical question "why deny fellow engineers the job opportunity" . We should not allow rich people affect our llife with BS talk, weather it is Musk or Trump. We should hold them to as high standard as anyone of our mates. I'm up to hear with these people lying all the time and getting away with it.

Yep.. and massive pressure differentials wasn't a problem at all....

I think that incident was the final nail in the coffin for this.. It made people afraid of this thing.

Also Train.

My first job out of college was driving the courier vehicle used to deliver donor organs from the airport to the hospital. Literally the MOST time-sensitive cargo. And even they told me to obey all posted speed limits 100 percent of the time, no matter what. High speed cargo is a fully solved problem: No one needs their Stuff faster than they are already getting it.

@@jeremy____5747 That's a fucking wild first job if ever I've heard one, out of all the things you could've done and THAT happens to fall into your lap?

@@RhelrahneTheIdiot I needed a job and the job was open. The vehicle was marked ("American Red Cross Biomedical Services") and in theory I could have called for a police escort if there was a traffic jam and I was stuck for more than like 15 mins, but it never actually happened.

@@jeremy____5747did you need special licensing ?

He bankrupted his hyperloop and Virgin galactic

Brunel thats a real engineer

Can you imagine if there was an issue down there . Pretty much everybody would die

@@unnamedchannel1237 Pure nightmare fuel.

1: The issues with DB aren't that the system doesn't work. What we're seeing is the result of 30 years of chronic underinvestment. In fact, it's a miracle that it works as well as it does. And it still performs better than most of the French rail network. 2: That's an Israeli Railways train. In Israel...

​@mikeblatzheim2797 tbf they do use very similar, if not the same rolling stock (just look at those Doppelstockwagen) and even the same corporate colour

Air Sledd has solved the engineering problems and actually works

@@mikeblatzheim2797 I mean, SNCF is excellent if one of the ends of your itinery is already quite a major city and the other end is Paris. Otherwise, why would you have such a proposterous and outright absurd idea to have such an itinery. Japan is pretty much linear, not much of network complexity. Amtrak being the best such national railway system in the americas is more of a testament to the americas than to Amtrak. China doesn't let you buy transfer tickets, again reducing complexity. And finally to drive home the point of how underrated DB is: Which other railway has any major limiting capacity bottleneck onto the entire nation - that is bloody six tracks wide? Name me any other one!

climate change LMAO

These climate loonies make no sense... Everything is about the climate.. aside from nothing we do having anything to do with it lol

@@PwnyDwn is an adult around that can explain a thermometer for you?` and maybe also explain the concept of "making it way worse"?

@@ItsDemiMondaine look Buddy, if you would watch News Programms and not Nazis, you might notice how more frequent bad weather got ... or that spring is earlier every year

But proper trains means we'd have to share spaces with... *poors! And **_brown people!_*

Work harder - get a car!

Investors spent their money. If you want a train, go build your own. A few hundred million were spent on R&D for hyperloop one. The Callifornia HSR project cost estimate recently rose again to $105 billion (more than double the initial cost). It makes more sense to R&D an idea that is orders of magnitude more efficient than spend 100 billion dollars on a train.

@@TylerDurden-pk5km Thatcherism is out of vogue.

​@@offensivearchIt's not more efficient. Hyperloop funds were just to validate a proof of concept, whereas HSR is bogged down by land acquisition and other legal costs that a real Hyperloop build would likewise face.

​@@smithysmith4637so is Bidenomics

Yup, before the real elon emerged, I genuinely thought that this guy gets it. Then I did some digging and OMG, what a clown! He's a complete fake. A modern day sleaze ball who pretends to be something he's not all because he has access to mommy and daddy's money. Anyone who does business with him at this point is just stupid.

People pointing out how deranged he's openly gotten are still getting dogpiled now, tbh.

Fascist space karen has failed his hyperloop, boring company and X4chan 2.0

He was never involved in the Hyperloop, he just encouraged people to pursue the idea.

Thunderf00t, to name but one, immediately called out hyperloop for the nonsense it is. And, yes, he got dogpiled by the Musk fanbois and gurls ("All hail the whitepaper!")

i trust elon more then u, hes the man who invented the rocket to mars, the car who drive himself, he invent the free speech in the world on X, and what about you? You invent just a single youtubes comment ROFLMAO

I would love to know at what point certain early "investors" cashed out amidst all the stupid hype.

It all went wrong in that it was a terrible idea to begin with.

The idea was never meant to materialize . It was intended as a prop for the Clinton/Obama campaign.

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Hi!

He's known for Disney World reviews, I knew it wasn't going to be the most accurate video. I wanted to give it a chance anyway. At least he got the conclusion right, this was all just a distraction from actual high speed rail investment.

Why sadly? I dont want to see it built. It will only benefit LA and SF, not to mention there are mountains in the way and it will not make it even go at its maximum speed without risking derailment. Plus, the biggest lawyers, land owners, farmers, and environmentalists are teaming up to sue the state for this project, thus delaying. Lastly, in 2025, I heard the budget is gonna be projected to be $150 BILLION. Almost 1/6 the cost of our entire interstate!

Ah yes, god forbid it benefit two of the highest population centers in the US.

@@Labyrinth6000 "Only" LA and SF... just the two largest population centers in California. Also, the line would also serve a large chunk of the central valley so that's not even true.

@@Labyrinth6000 have you...seen the plans...they are not going thru the mountains....and there are so little risks of derailment do you do even a bit of research how do you speak so confidently of a thing you have no idea about.

​@@Labyrinth6000 literally just sounds like sour grapes from you. Tell us the real reason you don't like it

Yeah , he kept saying that.

Yeah he should've said depressurized. Also hyperloop isn't a perfect vacuum (that would be a vactrain), hyperloop keeps some residual air pressure in the system

EXACTLY!!!!

@@offensivearch It's basically the same as a vacuum. Pretty much to get air pressures low enough to do what they were trying to do, you have to be most of the way to a vacuum. To the point where you have essentially the same set of problems as a low vacuum. Also, there is effectively no such thing as a perfect vacuum, especially at these scales. If you go listen to people who work with that sort of thing, you find out that all sorts of things you'd never expect outgas at low pressures. To the point where maintaining a low vacuum in even a small space can be challenging.

Dude you're kidding me there's a chuck E. cheese at plaza patria? Honestly I haven't seen a whole lot of empty places in malls Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places

Listen, Elon Musk put Teslas, which are well-known for being on fire, in a tunnel in Los Angeles with no emergency exit. The same guy who laid off all the moderators of Twitter/X. Who violated basic security measures with his Space X projects...

to be fair the same is true of planes and they just institute extra safety standards. but hsr would be far more reasonable

@@daphne4407Wrong! A plane can navigate down to a breathable level. If this thing broke then there was no way out!!!

Yeah planes are far more safer, given someone is flying it

@@daphne4407 Think of a soda can. When u havent cracked it open yet the sides are strong, When u crack it open it hisses and u can crumble the sides in if u want. Imagine if u would pull a vacuüm on a can, it would crush into its self. This is basically the problem with hyperloop. All the problems and dangers of air travel but now on the ground.