Another piece of history that people should remember is that Kgosi Sekhukhune was a Motswana who fled with some Batswana warriors from Lejweleputswa ( Transvaal ) during the Mfecane (Difacane) wars. Limpopo Tribes like Batokwa ( Batlokwa ) and others came from the Batswana nation, some even came directly from the republic of Botswana and their Elders still talk about that history to this day. When you write your people's history base it on historical facts not theories based on self preservation because that defeats the purpose of that history.
...and by the way, Bechuanaland ( Botswana ba Nwaketsi) it never existed as a country, it was across the river: Colonial shit whites developed witchcraft-Fence and developed a Country... Batlokwa in HA Manthata, Sekonye, Machado in Limpopo -- go to Bloemfontein and inside Lesotho. You'll get those surnames, language similarities in using "h" instead of "g" and Kingdom of Lesotho never existed as a stand alone Country as in now. THOSE Batlokwa are the descendants of the Moshoeshoe(Basitho), Sekhukhune (Batswana)and many more used to work together. When The BaMunomutapa clan's great grand daughter-Queen Modjadji crossed the limpopo River into Venda areas and move into South-East for her permanent stay in the currently known as Bolobedu ( Duiwelskloof-Tzannen towns) - speaking Khelovhedu language, establishing that 'Rain" Kingdom with her brothers in Mugodo (Mokoto) and the likes of King Shaka got the message, then moved into the far North to go honor and greet her, while Shaka's brothers ran for cover away from him, Soshangana who traveled through the Coastal line and landed far away and settled in the currently known area named Mozambique while Mzilikazi ran into the far North, crossed limpopo river and stayed across the river where it's now known as Zimbabwe (The was no border fences bantase) Our youngsters are failing us: because of a White persons who to want write our History to manipulate the truths about us.. we shall stupidly allow to inflict ourselves with this painful lie, which Malema is always touching, but we shall regret it fully oneday because of trust we obey and bow in front of the Devil Whites..😢😢😢🇿🇦✝️🙏🇰🇪🇬🇩🇩🇪🇧🇸🇵🇬🇧🇼🇰🇿🇦🇴🇬🇭🇨🇩🇳🇦🇲🇿🇸🇿🇲🇼🇹🇿🇬🇾🇬🇲🇨🇳🇺🇬🇵🇾🇱🇾🇰🇳🇰🇼🇮🇶🇯🇲🇯🇴
You are wrong. Sekhukhune was born in Sekhukhuneland as called now. His grand father's are the ones who come from BOTSWANA,200+ years earlier before he was born
The state does not own the land. The state is an institution voted for to serve the people of South Africa. The state is just the care takers on behalf of the people, and they are voted for by the people for the people. South Africa is not a communist state where the ones in power own everything.
Before the anchors or SABC or any people come to Transvaal we were four areas that were independent, after 1910 Anglo/Boer war ; areas were United became a country. After South Africa became a country in 1910 people started coming to GP when it was still hostels here.
It is true that the area between the Limpopo River and Vaal River was ruled by King Sekhukhune. After King Sekhukhune was defeated, the area was renamed and was called "Die Zuid Afrikaanse Republiek". The information is there in the History Books (Millitary History).
@@musandasikhwivhilu KING SEKHUKHUNE IS A PARAMOUNT CHIEF , Those he conquered, unlike the zulus, he did not take them captive to join him in his royal homestaed, instead they paid taxes/homeage to his kraal and continued to live in their lands subjected to his majesty paramount chieftancy, this was his long term war startegy when war arises, SEKHUKHUNE kingdom was based intentionally in the middle of his lands meaning the CAPITAL will be far from harm or atleast weakened by the time they broke through other lands. When the SOUTHERN AFRICA REPUBLIC was formed, its then president Thomas Burger formed the 1st ever largest military army featuring 10000 swazis, 2000 ndebeles and other small tribes, they were defeasted by sekhulkhune, three more presidents tried their luck and also suffered a terrible loss too. this goes on to show sellouts and the land sekhukhune was defending, Burgersford was named after the defeated president Burgers who had his fortress there from pretoria. i will share a link from SOUTH AFRICAN DEFENCE FORCE [SANDF] TO PROVE MY STORY.
Thank you Kabelo, The Land issue is a serious problem. The Lesotho country is also claiming part of Gauteng and Mangaung Metro and the mines, borders etc.. We the Batswana of The Barolong Boo Ratshidi, Ngaka Modiri Molema Municipality North West Mahikeng, we got nothing on hand, our Land are own by forein nationals. Traditional leaders must answear for the Land.
I think the man from Sekhukhune may have some truths when it has to come to areas like Gauteng. However, I am not sure if he could provide answers to the following points/questions/observations : 1.What period did Sekhukhune rule the area he claims (Vaal to Limpopo rivers)? 2. When did Sekhukhune get to the area that he ruled from? 3. When Sekhukhune established his kingdom, did he find people in the area? 4. What to him does the saying" Thobela ke Ramabulana, Sekhukhune ke Thobejane" mean? Does he know when Mapungubwe kingdom was and who ruled in that? Does he know the area called Thulamela and what it means? Does he know what Vhembe means and what language is that? Does he know a people called VhaNgona or VhaVenda? Does he know what it means to be a "Ntangi waku gala" or Tshidza tshapo mean? Does he know what Marabastad mean? Does he know anyone called Muravha or Moraba mean. Does he know which clan he comes from? Does he know who the VhaMbedzi are? Does he know where the name Bapedi come from? Does he know how the Bapedi got to be known as Bapedi? Does he know that mountains and river have names given by the those who first lived in these areas? Can he give us names of rivers, mountains and ancestral enclaves and sacred shrines around today's sbrinked area called Venda that had Sepedi names? What does Mapungubwe actually mean? Who actually rule there? Did the Bapedi trade with the chinese and others during that era? What does Maputo mean in Sepedi if they also ruled there? What does Limpopo mean or what was did the name of Limpopo mean in Sepedi? In the history books of Sepedi, is there anywhere where it says Sekhukhune ruled over VhaVenda? Who is Sekwati? Where does he come from? I have a long list of questions I doubt the guest would feel embarrassed to even try to give answers to.
Now im confused, please assist, Julius Malema of the EFF said that there was no boundaries before colonial occupation, but now I hear there was boundaries and the traditional leaders know the boundaries
Is good that you're confused like that... there was only land that was under the control of certain kingdoms but people were free to move to anywhere. How did the Zulus end up in Zambia, Malawi if they couldn't move freely? The current european borders do not allow freedom og movement of people and goods, that's what we want them gone. Your ID and passport alone must be enough for you to travel anywhere at any time. VISA and money requirements are the reasons we have so called illegal immigrants. You need to take time and educate yourself. South Africa has so many companies around Africa, removing all those requirements of VISA will in fact benefit our economy massively. In Europe with only your ID and password, you can travel from london to Germany in a day because they have integrated railway system. No visa requirements and European Union has records of everyone. That's why we call for African Union to establish home affairs system that will have data of everyone... that way you will not have illegal immigrants, everyone will be known. Take time and educate yourself by reading and finding the facts
Please familiarize yourself with Military History. The Pedis had ruled over the Transvaal and even the Transvaal Boers acknowledge this reality. Please visit the Libraries in Pretoria Central and request information on "Die Geskiedenies van die Zuid Afrikaanse Republiek". The Bapedi and Bakgatla had inhabited both Pretoria and Johannesburg prior to the arrival of the Voortrekkers, and King Sekhukhune had ruled over them until 1879.
What i like kere gore bo Burger lebo Rooi le bo Senekal they know our kings even Voortrekkers and british plus Germans. Gona le peace of OB were military Generals were writting kabo sekhukhune bare sekukuni. Mampuru bagwala Mampoer Sekwati bangwala Sekuati
Mampuru is the real king of Bapedi. By the way the name 'Sekhukhune' is a nickname that was given to Matsebe as a result of his antics during wars with the whites.
This one is high on nyaope. He needs to go somewhere else to hallucinate. Tell this mampara if he can take the land, the Khoisan and San will take the Cape Colony and Cape Independence will be real.
Id like to support their call but I dispute their claim for the entire Gauteng.Thats tantamount to to abiding by Colonial land borders.The entire interior of the country indeed belongs to the Sotho people "Bapedi ,Basotho ,Le Batswana" . Gauteng is their mecca not only Bapedi .Ke lefatshe la rona rotlhe .Re member back then we were living according to our clans not this megatribes that resulted afterwards. Eg Bapedi are Mainly Bakgatla and they are related to their Bakgatla brethrens who are Basotho and Batswana . Bakgatla gave birth to other subclans such as Batlokwa (existing in all the Sotho groups) and Basia . To this day they all still uses similar names for an example there's Molefe name in all of the Batlokwa who are Bapedi ,Basotho and Batswana. Theres Tubatse in Basotho and Bapedi etc
What u say is true in terms of relation, nobody disputes n Batlokwa, Bakwena exist in Both groups, but there were wars e.g Fokeng we’re always fighting Bakgatla hence Bakgatla group accepted the authority of Thulare(1790-1820) Sekwati (1837-1861) titill Sekhukhune time. There are records of Batlokwa wars with Barolong . Fokeng wars with Bapedi.Moshoeshoe wars with Batlokwa. When we passed Vaal we paid tributes to Moshoeshoe cause of the border agreements between the Moshoeshoe n Sekwati father of Sekhukhune. Hence Basotho kingdom don’t claim GP or Zulu don’t claim GP cause of ancient Border agreements. Archived records. They do acknowledge that other groups existed including Amandebele not to be confused with the Khumalos of Mzilikazi and old Transvaal map shows.
Isn't conquest a legitimate means of attaining land? Lol...imagine if EWC was to be passed....There would be no land claims..what a cluster flip that would be. I wonder how far back in history one can go. From what I know, land can only be claimed from 1910....this claim is from 19th century.
I see nothing wrong here. I do not even want to mention that in South Africa the only king that receives money from the state is the Zulu King, they literally think and believe we all belong to the Zulu Kingdom, but I am very happy with my Pedi tribe, despite our challenges we are known to do things on our own without relying too much on the government. The 2 schools I went to when I was young were not built by the government but village brick layers through the contribution of the village after realizing that learners had to walk10+ kilometers to school. Now we are busy with the culture of building mansion houses in rural village. If we do not win this fight of the land, I hope we will go on and fight to at least receive title deeds from the government. If Bapedi can lead this country, it will become a far better country. We are not corrupt, we believe in uplifting the community and empowering villagers. We are not obsessed with making it and leaving the village to stay in developed places like Sandton, we aim to develop the villages we stay at.
But if u choose to ignore my history we must remind u. It is okay with u, we are called people from Limpopo when we are not ,Transvaal was our historic lands . We were enslaved here the mixed people u find here in GP are our enslaved people. But I bet u thought it was yours by they way people redicule us.
Honestly speaking, it looks like things are going to get very, very difficult, or complicated for our president in waiting in 2024. But you know what? I know he is not a lazy young man. He is very intelligent, very determined, and very ambitious to get things done, an intelligent thinker. Looks like he is going to be answering more of such questions a lot, i.e., South African traditional regional boundaries, e.g., Zulus, Xhosa, etc, including the Northern area, which is the Queen Modjadji's area. But let us hope people will never even argue about that, because if they are going to argue about that, they should have started to demand that when Madiba started to be in power. I really started to get excited realising how many people have started to get involved in such matters, as that will help most S.A. citizens to know more about S.A. To tell the truth, that is not that important. The only important thing is to see each and every South African citizen, Blacks/Whites/minority groups South African citizen, stay in harmony together, which is absolutely what all South Africans citizens wishes.
The Pedis had always ruled the Transvaal Province before the Voortrekkers arrived here from Cape Colony. It was only in 1879 that King Sekhukhune was defeated and imprisoned in Pretoria. King Sekhukhune had a very powerful army and had ruled all the Lands between the Vaal River and Limpopo River.
I agree and disagree. I agree Gauteng belongs to Bapedi but I disagree that Sekhukhune land stretches to limpopo river. Venda and Tsongas have been occupying areas along limpopo river including Kruger national park
I personally don't understand, how the Bapedi kingdom can claim that the land belongs to them. There are Ndebeles and Batswana/Bakgatla who have been leaving in the area that this man is talking about. Are they claiming the land for Bapedi or for all who were in the area.
It is written fact historical information from the attacks on the Foken south of Vaal, the problem is some of u entitled yourselves . Areas Mabjanatswhana north of Brits. Mosetlha, Mocha, Seabe etc Bahwaduba all were under the Maroteng Bapedi except Ba-Gafela. Bakoni/Hlubi of Komane a Pedi fought as Maroteng/Bapedi. We paid taxes to Moshoeshoe whn crossed Vaal. Basotho Kingdom acknowledged. We wer a border with the Zulu at Vaal. Written facts if u chose to ignore. We fought Amswati; the Zulu of Mpande, who wanted the lands, 1851. Cetshwayo & Sekhukhune extended the agreements in 1861-2. I’d it wasn’t for Bapedi the language in Transvaal would have been Nguni only . You would have been monitory
No ways to be found in this history. Amandebele fought under Bapedi and the Masemola are of Swati origin and integral part of Bapedi . I’m an offshoot of Bakgatla and Amandebel=Bahwaduba . We fought as Maroteng/Bapedi until Transvaal was partitioned . Even a Mabhogo close to lyndenburg then brought to Kwa-Mhlanga, received independence in 1861 from Maroteng.
Yaa but it ought to be understood that a lot transformation took place that there has to be checks and balances on the relevance of the argument. Talking Sekhukhune when some historical record point to Thulare may be something confusing really. The Sotho and the Tswana history too? The Ndebele history is even more confusing than one may think it is? Thank you!!!🎉🎉
Sekhukhune was protecting what is belong to his great grandfather Diale son of Tabane and middle wife Mathulare. Infact if we can go deep from Lesotho to Limpopo belongs to Bana ba Tabane. But gereboya nyana resaye that deep Lellelateng kera yena Mopedi keyana wathoma wa godula Vaal
The real bapedi king is still quite and afraid to be killed. Bapedi land is South Africa including Lesotho and Swaziland not Transvaal. Moshoeshoe was staying around Natal and hide at Lesotho area. Zulus, Khoikhoi , Ndebeles and Xhosas are from Mozambique
Can you please go back to ur forfathers, grandmas and ask them how did they steal our land from blacks kings, then come back here to share it with us. Starting from from 5 provinces to 6 provinces
@@Michael10794 Please provide the names because in the case of the Pedis we know that their King was Sekhukhune. Sekhukhune was a very powerful King and had a very powerful army, and had fought and won many millitary battles.
not only keep our resources and process and manufacture products, but we should do that with other southern countries and improve each others industry and secure minerals and trade with the rest of southern african countries and allies to create a wealth region part of africa and then take it from there
Then someone will say colonialism didn't create problems for us who didn't benefit anything from it The Basotho also want their land back up to Pretoria and so do the Swati
This is a claim based on false history. The original inhabitants of Pretoria is the Bakwena Tribe from the Batswana nation, Batswana split into 3 groups led by Ngwato, Ngwaketsi and Kwena who fought for the Throne after the King of Batswana died in Lejweleputswa ( present day West and East Rand area ). Ancient burial sides of the Batswana have been found in parts of Johannesburg.
Before sekhukhune the Batswana ba bakgatla ruled Tshwane, Batswana ba bakwena ruled from midrand to parts of Johannesburg, Batswana of Barolong clan ruled from Sandton to Mahikeng, including pootchestroom going to Thaba Nchu.
It is going to pain, to those who entitled themselves . ask your kingdom in Lesotho we paid taxed when we crossed Vaal. Where was Amandebele not to be confused with The Khumalos ? so there were no wars? The group of Sekhukhune are offshoots of Bakgatla, through splits in Maswati of Matlebjane they started an Empire 1790-1823 by Thulare Vaal to lim(Lekwebepe) we called our country since then. Read from Bafokeng attacks by Bapedi invited by Thethe in 1823. Ndwandwe came later Mzilikazi ; Bapedi re-established by Sekwati (1837- 1861) who made agreements with Moshoeshoe after Moshoeshoe defeated Batlokwa we paid taxed when we crossed Vaal & all those clans Baphuting, Bakwena, Amandebele, Amaswati we have as well as Bapedi. Ba Mosetlha’s war with Mathlare and Barolong. Where Amandebele(Kekana),Seabe, Mocha etc fought as Maroteng/Bapedi. Even when it was still hostels here in GP we helped u as descendants of Moshsoeshoe , reporte by Boner there events when GP was still starting. Basotho kingdom never claim GP cause of Us Bapedi, The Zulu don’t claim GP cause of us Bapedi . It is only individuals who became entitled to GP that think it is theirs cause we were demeaned disrespected called fools cause our language took a back seat and few words taken, then some of u came to think it is yours. Our ancestors were enslaved and kids captured u didn’t help us. The mixed people here in GP have a history . u forgot the history of the place.
True we even have Batswana artifacts here at Boulders Mall in Midrand...which were discovered! Midrand & Pretoria belong to Batswana ppl & I am Zulu! 🤔
Go do your claim then let us see & speak of your history and tell us of the wars you fought and with whom. There were wars here Vaal was a border with AmaZulu & Basotho. what articfects cause Sekhukhune are of Bakgatla. So it means they are also their art effects, Batlokwa were here etc . U don’t know this clans? u have become entitled that’s why it is hard to accept . Bakgatla, Amandbele, Foken, Bahwaduba were here and archives of wars exist. welll
Keep on Dreaming my boy, if Gauteng is yours then the real owners are Ngunis of Ndwandwe who defeated Bapedi together with Ndebele Nguni subgroups in Mpumalanga , all of Pretoria is a Swazi Nguni land that was owned by Swazi and Ndebele all of Pretoria (KwaMnyamane) and Middleburg Kwamhlanga Vaal is Nguni Area
You really don't know what you are talking about. The Transvaal (Lekwebepe) Province belongs to the Pedis and even the Boers acknowledge this fact. Please try and read a few books of Millitary History to improve your knowledge. Very sad to see Black People being so Stupid and Ignorant!!! 📚 📚 📚
Sekukune ke Motswana o Motona thata fela...ke motswana...bapedi are tswana people belonging to the Bakatla clan.The history of pedi people does not Start with Skhukune🤣😅😂
This is what we should all be doing as the indigenous people while their busy worrying about election and vote. Making land clams which is by fact our heritage and birthright by pedigree and consanguinity.
Should the areas then become independent sovereign countries, should there be a Southern African convention to redraw all our borders, according ethnic kingdoms pre-British rule or pre-Afrikaner rule?
@@nthapetlala7822 I'm also just an interested South African, interested in our history. Maybe the borders need to be redrawn in South or Southern Africa at a convention, the original indigenous areas can choose by referendum to become independent states or to remain in a federation as part of South Africa similar to the USA. Private property rights should still stand & change hands through willing seller, willing buyer not expropriation without compensation. It won't suit everyone, so Referendum might work, for instance the Ovambo tribe in Namibia is from the very North, yet due to Democracy, having the highest numbers, they rule the whole of Namibian territory down to the Gariep-Orange River, which is artificial, as they are not from any area south of Grootfontein originally.
@@gysgijsbers4202 We already have a state that is internationally recognized, we need to organize amongst ourselves and claim what is rightfully ours and incorporate with an amended constitution. The problem is that they will obviously subvert because they have no standing in law.
AnaXhosa’s lands as well . For example in Bapedi we clans Called Barwa who are San they also with Baroka, Bakgadisti were the only groups fighting with spears.
The Sekhukhune people, I am informed, come from the South end of the former Transvaal and came to the area they now are and were then under BaMbedzi (from where the name Bapedi originated) Most names of rivers of the areas have Venda names and the man has to explain a simple question : what did it mean when the Sekhukhune kingship said: "Thobela ke Ramabulana, Sekhukhune ke Thobejane". Can he explain who ruled Mapungubwe and does he know when that place and kingship was and who was Shiriyadenga? Does he know who the VhaNgona are or the original VhaVenda are? He is talking about 1780 - 1800. When was Mapungubwe established? Any place could be verified by the names of rivers and mountains as they have names of the first to be in the place. VhaNgona or VhaVenda are called Vho-Ntangi wa kugala, does he even know what it means? Does he know what Marabastad come from? Does he know who Muravha is? When did Sekhukhune come to the place now called Sekhukhune?
@@mphomuthubi7363 you are totally wrong because you base the whole thing to Sekhukhune as a person, we talking about Bapedi. Boers named a lot of things in Afrikaans and that doesn't make them the owners. In this report we are not talking about black people because we are together. We talking about the white people who are stealing our land as blacks
Do you really know Transvaal? It started from border of Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Swaziland up to Vaal river. Bapedi were just another nation amongst many other Transvaal occupants. Transvaal was also a joint home of: Vendas(Messina-Elim etc) Tsongas(Elim-Giyani-Phalaborwa), Batswanas(Brits-Rustenburg-Potchefstr-Mafikeng etc), Ndebeles(dennilton-Mhlanga-bronkhor etc), Swazis(Nelspruit,Bushbuck, Middelburg etc), BaNtwane(dennilton), BaKopa (tafelkop) Mapulana (Bushbuckridge area) BaLobedu (Tzaneen area) Batlokwa (current Carpricon area) Matebele a Mokopane(Mokopane etc) Bakgatla ba Kgafela(Hammanskraal-Marapyane etc) And they were never governed by Sekhukhune.
So everyone from this 9 Province will come forward and claim that they hv a peace of land in Gauteng that belongs to his tribe ,I wonder what about those who were born here in Gauteng
Gauten was Transvaal and u only came here after 1910 as migrant workers , after the Anglo /Boer . There were four independent countries. Natal Colony, Cape Colony, Orange Free State colony& Transvaal Colony with their own independent histories u came here after 1910 after the Anglo boer when this areas were United and became a country so u can claim where u come from. Transvaal was divided when the Brits defeated Bapedi 1879, then diamond discovered then Anglo Boer war happened and u came here . Some of us were moved here the enslaved/mixed people u found here are our people . We will not tire to tell you . We were sent all over before u came here. U have become entitled and some disrespect us. Hence u must respect everyone. We suffered even when it was hostels here we helped everyone during the tribalism that existed in Transvaal .
Lydenburg our people died fighting for that land and enslaved there , Botshabelo(Middleburg) , we fought the .Zulu, Ndebele , Swati who wanted Transvaal it was the ANC that made this 9 province we are from west, north , east central of Transvaal.
The whole of the Transvaal, Pretoria and Johannesburg included, was ruled by King Sekhukhune. The Boers only took control after King Sekhukhune was defeated in 1879.
Please familiarize yourself with Military History. The Pedis had ruled over the Transvaal and even the Transvaal Boers acknowledge this reality. Please visit the Libraries in Pretoria Central and request information on "Die Geskiedenies van die Zuid Afrikaanse Republiek". The Bapedi and Bakgatla had inhabited both Pretoria and Johannesburg prior to the arrival of the Voortrekkers, and King Sekhukhune had ruled over them.
The Swazi King gave land to Paul Kruger from Swaziland border to Lydenburg, did he not? The Swazi controled large parts of Mpumalanga. The Ndebeles also moved around clashed with Tswanas and ruled certain areas from Tshwane to KwaMahlanga some moved up to Zimbabwe under Chief Mzilikasi etc.
There is nothing like that Mzilikazi had no alliance he wanted things to himself at it was the Ndwandwe who defeated Bapedi & Mandebele a Nyabela/Mabhogo . he came later. He ran to Zimbabwe and build there , no historical records of him giving lands or anything . Go read again .your lands are in Zimbabwe- u are the are the Khumalos. Bapedi lands since 1790-1823 Ndwandwe(Zwide) came. 1825 Mzilikazi came after the destruction we rebuild fought again for what is ours.
Yes he did fight them, true .but not give lands as the gentleman narrative. the Fokeng, Rolong, Bakgatla fought in Rustenberg under Paul Kruger where Mzilikazi(the Khumalos) fled passed the Limpopo river.
The state does not own the land. The state is an institution voted for to serve the people of South Africa. The state is just the care takers on behalf of the people, and they are voted for by the people for the people. South Africa is not a communist state where the ones in power own everything.
The brother is incorrect when it comes to Pretoria,Midrand,Johannesburg, Sandton, Vaal. Sekhukhune came later, the Ndebeles came later. These are kings placed by Whites.
Yes Khosi Tulare he was a great King He begets Khoadi then Khoadi begets Makholokwe Then Batlokoa with big Yes the land is belong to Tulare the father of all Sotho tribes including Bapedi clans
This Putata Grand Child is on a hallucination journey. Sekhukhune never ruled and will never rule Parts of Venda in Limpopo. The Venda Speaking people ruled and still rule the area. Sekhukhune knows where Putata was grown.
😂😂 something about land makes people crazy, or is it simply greed that makes people think they are entitled to God's creations based off their man-made identities?
Well considering there are lands that God has reserved for particular groups, like the Jews” in Israel or the Egyptians & many other groups it’s totally justified for other groups to also apply the same principles if history permits. I’m sure you yourself have land historically the home of your ancestors or land you own now in modern times. Would it be fair to say it’s not yours because God created the earth? Of course not because that’s crazy. If you as a person or a family can be entitled to land thats yours then so can larger groups.
@@KKOPPONG ultimately a religion is the collection of stories told by people who presume to know God's wishes... history has proven the only way to acquire and keep vast amounts of land is by spilling blood. The groups you mentioned conquered those lands, and so did the tribes and races that acquired vast lands in this country
The guy is not being honest.Everybody is shocked that Bapedi are claiming Gauteng.Bapedi are associated with Limpopo not Gauteng.The new history of convenience ya after 94 baffles me and a lot of cleaning up of history.Is this not a political ploy
Gauteng, Limpopo and Mpumalanga used to be one Province before 1994. It was called the Transvaal Province and King Sekhukhune had ruled over it before the Boers arrived here.
Then you must go and read history about BaPedi and King Sekhukhune. The BaPedi are not limited to Limpopo only. Remember in those old days there was no Provinces , it was just land. The major portion of land of current day Tshwane and Johannesburg was traditionally under King Sekhukhune. For the Boers and British to claim that land we call Gauteng today, they had to capture and defeat King Sekhukhune, not other kings of Ndebele or Swazi. You must also remember that Middelburg and Lydenburg are not in Limpopo but in Mpumalanga, but those areas traditionally belonged to BaPedi and King Sekhukhune.
So telling our history we smoke . The problem is you always tried to give us an identity . Insulted and called us people fools from Limpopo, when our ancestors were enslaved here . When Parts of Lydenburg our ancestors died fighting for those lands. When we were parcelled all over in the Transvaal before u came here after the defeat of the Bapedi before u even new of GP..
Reality is that, that is how land, everywhere in the world, is acquired, through dispossession. Once Pedi's are done, Venda's will be claiming all land from Makhado to PLK, because historically, it was their land.
Corrections. Venda ppl never historically or natively owned any land near to Polokwane. Polokwane is traditionally the land of Chief Dikgale, Mothapo, Matlala, Moloto, Mankweng and Batlokwa. Venda ppl don’t and have never owned any land traditionally outside of Vhembe district. Traditionally no Venda chief owns any land near or in Polokwane. Venda ppl or their king end in Louis Trichardt not far from Elim. Their land interfaces with Tsonga land. By size alone, BaPedi dominate large chunks of land in Limpopo. Let’s not distort historical and current facts.
Distorted history this is. The name 'Sekhukhune' is not greater than the name Mampuru. The real royal house is there in Mamone, not Mohlaletse. The name 'Sekhukhune' is a nickname that was given to Matsebe because of his tactical prowess during the wars with the whites.
The problem with us Ndebeles is that, we always wait for other people to write or to narrate our own history. If you check, Bapedi came into existence in the Transvaal area in the early sixteen century now if you check Ndebele prints in the then Transvaal province, it was in the 1300 when king Mafana was in the area now known as Heidelburg. King Musi was born in Mhlangeni(Mohlakeng) around mid 1400 and went to establish his palace in Wonderboomport farm in the 1500 now ask yourself where was Sekhukhuni or his father Thulare then. In the south Ndele shared borders with Hlubi,Zulu,Sotho and to some extent Swazi people, in the east with Swazis , in the north with Amangwana ,Bapedi and Baroka lastly in the west it was Bakwena ,Barolong and Batlapen. Now inside these it was Ndebeles occupying the larger part of land and we had Bafokeng and the koisan that we were cohabiting with them not Bapedi.
Do u know Barwa are a San group a clan of Bapedi. Do u know Komane are Hlubi By Origin, Do u know Matsemola are Of Swati origin, Do u know that are groups that became clans of Bapedi as well. u know AMandebela a Mabhogo we defeated by Bapedi and receiv independence late in the 1800? Everything up to Vaal accepted the authority of Bapedi? Do u know who was selling slaves? The Swati, Zulu, Amandebele, Boers fought Bapedi for Transvaal and borders were agreed since the 1800 even post difacane 1837
Bakgatla were first then came AmaNdebele later . Historic fact . Bapedi ba Sekhukhune are Bakgatla by origin. Historic fact . Amadebele came later then integrated and wars happened.
Why is it the problem when people claim their land...even Zulu ppl claim Kzn wht is wrong with that ...mpumalang is part of Swaziland are going to say where was khoisan😂😂😂
@@phumlamazibuko3003 i hope they do. colonisation brought a few tools useful for mordern economics but took alot from our people. I hope the poloticians be a helper and not a thorn to the traditional kings
Before the anchors or SABC or any people come to Transvaal we were four area living separately After defeat of Bapedi in 1879 Transvaal became a Boer republic, after 1910 Anglo/Boer war . After South Africa became a country after 1910 people started coming to GP when it was still hostels here cause of minerals.
Khosi Tulare was like Abraham He begets Sotho clans and Bapedi clans But I personally don't think that he was Mopedi e,g Khoadi was one of his sons Then Khoadi begets Makholokwe . Molefe is the father of Batlokoa clans
Not bad history needs to be recognised , Transvaal was divided after defeat of Bapedi, we were partialied my clan Bahwaduba was taken all over North West, MP & Limpopo,when the black gov came it moved us even further from northern Province which included Pretoria they moved us further from our history & called us from Limpopo away from GP. No black person even wants to recognise our history. . Even Blue Bulls rugby was Northern Province rugby. The wrong has been done to us , not even a single recognition. Infact we are even called fools in GP.
The land around Pretoria/Tshwane belonged to the Mledlane/Moletlane; a Nguni-Ndebele group. These are clans like Kekana, Ledwaba, Letsoalo, Mthombeni, Masango etc. The land around Polokwane and Mokopane belonged to the Langa/Laka people.. a Nguni-Ndrebele group. These are surnames like Laka, Mphela, Mohwaduba, Gwangwa, Lekganyane, Tshwane, Lekgwathi, Mathabatha. The land around the Crocodile & Elephant rivers belonged to the Koni and Ngwana (Nkoana or Ngwane) group. The Koni clans include the Mokoni, Mguni, Mnguni, Matlala, Sifunda, Masilela, Ngoepe, Mphahlele, Maake, Phaahla, Mashaite, Maile, Maine etc. The Ngwane clans include the Chokwe/Shongwe, Tshabangu, Mahlaela, Mabitsela, Tema, Molapo, Mashabane etc. Southern Gauteng from Witwatersrand belonged to amaNala (now ruled by Mabena). There are others, like the Maseko who descend from King Musi. There was never any baPedi (Noko)/Marota in Gauteng or Mpumalanga. They were at Limpopo. The Apartheid government placed the Koni, Ngwane, Langa, Moletlane, Ndebele under the baPedi...making them larger than they should be.
@@motheomorakile1099 Ndebele houses or "tribes" are Nguni clans. There were no baPedi in Gauteng, southern Limpopo or Mpumalanga. Pretoria was known as kwaMnyamana. The Apies river was known as Nzwabuhlungu. The Nguni capital Mhlangeni (now called Mohlakeng) was there at Randfontein.
Bapedi themselves are children of Batswana. How do they go and make such a claim without their ancestors who are Bahurutshe and Bakgatla. Bapedi never inhabited that area. This guy is distorting history.
Lydenburg up to Carolina belongs to Bakone ...Badfontein belongs to Mapulana, Batswako hence they still speak sotho language ... upto Nelspruit even Standarton ..dont give it to sekhukhune just give it to nothern sotho speakers
We can challenge all Theese Tribal Land claims as the Indegenous Song!Quas people...I think is about time to exposed Theese so called Kings settled on Song !Quas or Kwê land..".Historical"...based on migration...
U know they are mixed with other groups like Barwa(San) is a clan of Bapedi mixed with Baroka, Bakgaditse they were the only group fighting of bone arrows.
@@Gilbarco-o7i northern transvaal was Sekhukhune land, there is much history that proves that. If you say we never ruled over Venda people or that they were under us then it means they weren't part of the northern transvaal up till the Limpopo river. So my question is are Venda foreigners?
No one is not disputing it yet😂😂 What I always find ridiculous, not only with, in this case Bapedi but other tribes as well is the vast amount of land that they say belonged them when the populations then were so small.
@@NgwendeNgwende-cm2ps Mzilikazi's lands are in Zimbabwe, you must learn to read the books (Millitary History). Please watch this interview again and you will realize that the Pedis have already claimed Transvaal and Pretoria.
