Bathwater recording July 4th 

Thanks for replying

Thanks for your reply Paul, I find anything about the Bible so ridicules this day and age. The reason it has been re written so many times and is way different from the original. Thus anything religious to me is also very debatable. Like I said I am an experiencer and should such a day come where I personally meet a God or Jesus I might well change my mind. I donot slate anyone else's views or experiences. Each to their own. I certainly find the whole concept of a creator agin mad. Whom created the creator for instance. One thing I have learned from all the investigation I have done is Spirit and many of them are still no wiser about God and anything of a religious nature. I think the whole thing is far deeper than we could ever imagine. Im always open to proof should it come and change my mind

@@GhostBoxmedium : THIS IS A BIT LONG, BUT I'M TRYING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A GLIMPSE BELOW THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG: I try to be fairly open-minded when it comes to looking at the various belief systems in the world. And based on my own personal experiences, I do see common threads that connect to certain things in native American spirituality, Buddhism, and the Christian faith. We could even include in that, some of the new age belief systems and Wicca/pagan. Techniques they use in dealing with negative spirits, connecting with spirit and what they say about the bad ones. All very similar in many ways and these things do coincide with my personal experiences and dealings with spirit. As far as the Bible goes, if we want to take a long hard look at that particular book. It definitely has its issues. But the problem is in the modern world, most religious people don't understand what the Bible was supposed to be and how the ancient Christian community viewed it. Quite different than we do today. Fundamentalism and literalism were not first and second century practices. There were also various Christian communities that spent large amounts of time pondering many of the questions we ask today, their philosophers and theologians dug deep into tradition, even other spiritual traditions, the teachings of Christ and the Bible in order to come up with a balanced view of life and even the spirit world. And some of the theories they came up with were not so far-flung or hard to believe. And then we have to talk about the Orthodox Christians of the first and second century and also the mystics, the gnostics and those who practiced more of a folk religion and even practiced folk magic within the Christian context. It's a very long and in-depth story that most modern day Christians are not even aware of, let alone most laypeople who only go by what they read in books or on the internet with somebody sounding off about how ridiculous everything is and how made up it all is when they have no idea what they're actually even talking about. Concepts of God were quite different as well.. God being a man on a throne was not actually a solidified concept until the inception of the Catholic Church and then King James having his English translation of the Bible brought into existence. He really capitalized on God being a man, a king like him. Because back then Kings and royalty were thought to have divine powers or divine heritage. But most Christians in the early centuries were more mystical and even metaphysical, and God was seen as the universal consciousness or spirit. He had no form or substance. He was pure consciousness, yet self-aware and self-determined. So when we think of God or Creator, who or what created pure consciousness? If pure consciousness existed then it would be a thing that no one has created since it is not physical. But that consciousness would be the thing from which everything else sprang forth in the universe and beyond because that consciousness is said to be creative in nature. Someone even say, "expressing itself through its creation." But then there are a lot of other subjects that people stumble over such as sin, atonement, the fall of man etc. But again, we don't fully understand what the ancients believed and taught about these things. And what about the stories of Adam and Eve and such in the Bible? Were they meant to be literal or were they allegorical? Most modern Christians do not even know the answer to that. And then when we talk about the fall of man, what is that? Is it some mythical thing about people eating an apple they were not supposed to eat? Or is there things we are now learning through modern quantum physics that may give us a hint of our ancient and lost past that man is grossly unaware of? There are more common threads that most people are grossly unaware of. And then we end with the question as to why many of these spirits here on the earth seem to be just as unaware and uneducated about this being we call God as we are. The many cultures and religions do have plausible explanations for that. Anyhow, I'm going to shut up because I didn't mean to write you a book here LOL.. I can just get on a bit of a talking streak when it comes to these subjects because I myself am an experiencer and I think personal experience comes largely first, before anything. But I've also been studying comparative religion, science and religion as well as history and religion since the autumn of 1991. Fascinating stuff and it's amazing how much the average person doesn't know especially these blockheads on the internet bashing everything left and right while not even knowing what they're really talking about scientifically, historically, philosophically and theologically! Nuff said LOL