Honestly riddler’s are so interesting to me because they show how far Edward’s willing to go. From our understanding he and Selina actually had a working relationship that through her dialogue in game we have was actually pretty understanding. Instead Edward gets so desperate he basically throws out one of the FEW positive things going for him
I REALLY hate to be that guy, but you're misreading the tapes about Blackfire. In the comics (Pre-52) Blackfire was heavily implied to have actually been immortal, being already a 100 years old by the time of his story (Batman: The Cult), with his supposed backstory being that he was a Native American shaman who discovered the secret of eternal youth by bathing in human blood and was entombed alive in a cave by his tribe after killing their chief and comitting heresy. That's what the cave under Liberty Island and the prints from the 20s were actually referencing, although I don't blame you at all for not knowing any of that.
Thank you I came here to say the same thing, but it would not have been as succinct as this. I still have hope that someday ol' Clownpuncher will actually read a comic book.
I mean I 100% believe you but I am gonna argue its different canons. It is implied in this universe too but another universes comic doesnt mean its also the case here
I didn't know the comic lore, but even I was able to see the implication from the tapes that he was really immortal. Guess Clownpuncher just isn't great at picking up subtext.
I kinda liked the Stagg audio tapes because Sartorius is snuck in as little easter egg villain. In the comics he eventually turns into Doctor Phosphorus ^-^
That last tape with Jason is some of the most absolutely top tier acting and emotional stuff in the Arkham series imo respectively to anyone who has their own opinions
Definitely a scary character as well. I just think that Pyg literally dosen't act human. He's so mentally ill he can't even speak or think properly. He tortures and kills people for enjoyment and Grape with out the G's them. Hatter does this too. Along with them both brainwashing their victims. However, the extents of torture that Pyg puts his victims through and the number of victims is far worse.
The Professor Pyg tapes also showcases his mommy issues, and from Always Nerdys retrospective of Arkham Knight he shows his comic characteristics and how he still hears his mother's voice in his head especially when she was responsible for his face, hence the stitches around the ears.
I did some research on the whole timeline thing and found something. In one of the Arkham Knight comics Joker left a recording of himself doing Joker things and makes a unique statement: “You know how everyone over 60 remembers when Kennedy was assassinated? Or when Derek Jetter made his 3000th hit?” So I looked up Derek Jetter’s 3000th hit in baseball and the hit was made in 2011 which imo confirms that Arkham City takes place in 2011 and Knight in 2012
Honestly always assumed the series took place and modern times with all the modern civilian technology like smartphones and origins and modern looking computers and tvs/computer displays
Agreed, although we probably all have a good idea of what would've happened. Either he kills scarecrow. Apprehends him or gets fear toxined and we then see a fight between batman against scarecrow and the milita while he tries to protect Jason. I think that personally though the story doesn't make too much sense, I feel like Jason was the owner of the milita. Commanding them what to do. Seeing him disappear for some of the biggest moments of the storyline is dissapointing. Seeing him send the militia to hunt him down and maybe even work with batman would be a twist. Obviously Scarecrow would still have a chunk of the militia members on his side but thats what i feel like makes that scene thats great already have so much more potential.
Definitely appreciate the videos about the tapes, one of the most underrated parts of these games, shame you've got nothing to say about Asylum but hey, can't win em all.
Dont get me wrong, i like that jason was a villain, but it would have been cool if we just received a message from Alfred from an unknown number of that tape with Barbara, but rather than lashing out, he reluctantly accepts help. Then he shows up to see bruce in the clock tower randomly contemplating to just shoot him, but bruce would call him off saying "good to have you back jason" or something.
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I think the blackfire tape about him being active in the 20s is supposed to be a reference to him being immortal in the comics as long as he does his ritual sacrifices it honestly wouldn't surprise me if he is in the Arkhamverse considering supernatural enemies already exist in it rash al ghoul and grundy for example
Thanks for the video, I had no idea these tapes were so awesome. Makes it even more of a shame cause we know what could’ve been. The Arkham knight and Barbara conversation shows the writers had such a good story planned out but something went wrong and they had to leave it on tapes. Gonna go back and listen to all the tapes in the whole series now.
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It'd probably take more than 3 billion to form the militia. You need to pay for property, training equipment, food, salaries of all soldiers, weapons, armaments, etc. Building, running, and moving an army from scratch isnt cheap. Or quick. It'd take decades at the fastest. Especially with the size of the militia occupying Gotham
Hi there :) i don't know if you accept any video requests but i need to talk about this one since i have been thinking about this idea for a few days as i am playing Arkham City once again. So as we know, every single of the games in the series takes place in a single night. But considering that the events in the game would be completed at an 100% if the events unfolded in real time, it is really hard for Batman to save the day before the sun rises up again. Speedrunners of course can manage to do 100% runs way below the 8-9 hour mark, but the runs that are made do not resemble how long it would take in real life since factors such as glitches and cutscene skips are permitted. Which means that no one knows if it is possible to finish them if it were to happen in real life, and i think it would be a fun challange to find out if it is in fact possible. So although these numbers are highly up for debate, according to the series fandom page Arkham Origins takes place in 24th of December 1988. If we assume that the real life comparision of Gotham City is New york City, this makes the night in origins 14,40 hours. Arkham asylum is said to take place in July 1997(?) so it is 9,37 hours. Arkham City seems to be 21th of December 1997 so the night is 14,41 hours, but quite some of that time is spent before the game since the talk which Bruce Wayne gives about the adverse effects of Arkham City supposedly takes place in the same night we begin to play him as Batman and most of the main story is spent under the "10 hour" window as Hugo Strange announces it. And since Arkham Knight takes place 9 months after Arkham City it is approximately 12,30 hours. General Rules: -100% (all main/side missions in the campaign) -No glitches -No cutscene skips -No skipping audio/video conversations -New game (No NG+ since Batman finds new gadgets as a part of the story) Arkham Origins: -Fast travels are permitted Arkham City: -Catwoman sections are not included (as the catowman arks goes on at the same time with Batman) Arkham Knight: -Countdown starts after the scarecrow attack, preferably with the bat signal in the intro (since the City is not evacuated at the same day) -Season of Infamy missions are included I may have missed some details but this is the general picture. I really like your channel and i think it would be really fun to watch if a video can be made about this.
Simon stagg tipes were just a easter egg of doctor phosphorus and my favourite types are prof pyg types.they actually show how insane he is.also any idea where blackfire's cave might be in.t
My crack theory: the original Harley from Asylum isn't the Harley we have for the rest of the game series. That Harley was replaced with a new one and that's why the voices are different and the new Harley isn't like herself.
I always assumed grief was slowly taking a toll on her (due to his declining health state) until jokers death. Thats when she goes full psycho. That's why the voice actors changed in my opinion. Your theory could also be true.
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For the record, we do actually have one official date in time to go off of for the events of the Arkhamverse. The Batman: Arkham Origins Deathstroke trailer. The trailer starts with some of Black Mask's men carrying some kind of illicit cargo, which is soon revealed to be a bomb planted by Deathstroke for Batman, into a warehouse at Dixon Docks. It can be assumed that the Joker has already taken over Black Mask's operations by this point, since after Deathstroke complains about being stopped by Deadshot from killing Batman, Black Mask reiterates that there are multiple assassins out for Batman. When one of the henchmen in the warehouse takes off their mask and throws it onto a table, we can see a calendar that reads December of 2013, and the crossed out days tell us that the trailer takes place on Christmas Eve night, or at least a couple days before then. We can confirm this as canon since, in the trailer, Deadshot breaks Deathstroke's sword with a shot from Pioneer's Bridge, and in the game, if we go to the central pillar on the west side, we can find a lone sniper sitting in its open case, and it certainly looks professional enough to be used by Deadshot. Why Deadshot left his sniper behind, and on the opposite side of the pillar no less, is beyond me, but knowing this, Arkham Knight should take place in like 2023 or 2024. Funny enough, this also feeds into the implication that Deacon Blackfire may actually be immortal.
I doubt that, for one continuity between the trailer and the game doesn't line up. The gun in game has three shell casings laying next to it and deadshot does indeed fire three time sin the trailer however at the end of the trailer batman drops one of them into the water below, and look at both side of the bridge and the view they offer neither of them match up with where dead shot is shooting at in the trailer. Not just that but the calendar has christmas eve crossed out which must mean this game would have to take place on the night of christmas eve/when the game takes place what supports this is the fact that the black mask we see in the trailer isn’t the real one its joker we know this because its troy baker’s voice not brian bloom’s but if that's the case when the hell does this happen? Why don't we see it happen if it takes place during the game? Even if you ignore all that there's still the issue with the cobblepot family if origins is in 2013, the Cobblepot feud city story from arkham City makes it very clear that Henry Cobblepot is the father of stanley cobblepot who is the father of oswald cobblepot. And this creates a problem: Cyrus’s journal reveals that Henry was alive as an adult in the mid 1800s and when Batman is explaining the lacey towers case after having gained access to the national criminal database we can see for a brief moment that in origins Penguin is 51. If origins is in 2013 this means penguin would be born in 1962 but then that would mean Henry had stan when he was in his 70s and stan would have penguin in his 70s too and that is not Impossible but its really pushing it. Not just that but in arkham knight you can hear slade say o Pyg that he knew a guy in hanoi and that he used to make wallets out of dead vietcong, now we could take this as meaning either slade served in the vietnam war or he did a job as a mercenary in hanoi where he met a guy who did serve in the war. If slade did serve in the war there's a problem in that he's 45 the montage of assassins after beating Croc tells us so but that would mean he was born in 1968 and the war lasted from 1955-1975 with direct US involvement stopping in 1973 he couldn’t haven’t had served in the war. In my Opinion Don’t think origins could take place in 2013 however i also don’t buy the whole 20th century thing either, because origins to city is roughly 10 years yet in Arkham origins Cold cold heart while heading to the batcave you can see a painting dated 1996 which would mean arkham city opens in 2005 which isn't the 1900s. I personally think that Arkham origins is more likely in 2004, you see in Arkham knight and Arkham Vr we get several dates that suggest a 21st century time period. In the opening of the game you can see a newspaper in pauli’s diner dated “Friday, october 30th” which means halloween is on saturday which aligns with 2015’s halloween date. Not only that but also in elliot memorial hospital you can see a pill bottle with the expiration date June 23 2015 (the game’s release date) and in the GCPD building to the left of officer Kevern you can see cookie cans that say “since 1995” and sausage cans that say “since 1985” which mean make it their 20th and 30th anniversaries. And throughout the whole game you see boxes dated June 15, 2008 and in Arkham Vr the giant penny is dated 2005 and it's hard to see but the letters sent by Selina are dated 2015. This would make the timeline look something like this: Arkham Origins: December 24th 2004 Arkham Asylum: Late April 2013 Arkham City: Late dec/Early Jan 2015 Arkham Knight: October 31st 2015 This would mean that Henry cobblepot was born ~1817 and he had Stanley in ~1885 and Stanley had Penguin in 1953. Now this isn't perfect and still make them around 68 when they father children but it works better than their 70s And this would mean Slade could serve in Vietnam at 14 assuming he lied about his age, which is something he does in some continuities. Now this may lead to questions about technology like smartphones being around earlier than their real world counterparts, however I believe this can be explained by this world having more advanced tech than our own. I mean Firefly has a jetpack that can keep up with the batwing, Freeze has an ice gun, holograms etc.
Hey Clownpuncher, since you mentioned these tapes did you see Batman Arkham Videos recent long play for Arkham Knight? Because he edited the Joker audio log of Batman recapping events from the previous games into a previously on segment, kind of like the new Spider-Man games with their recaps, my question is do you think that audio log with Joker in Arkham Knight would work better for a recap in the beginning, like before starting the game but also tweaking it so there won't be spoilers for the Joker infected?
The scarecrow and knight tapes needed to be integrated into the story. People think this game is full of holes when its just that they dont understand the characters' motivations. Scarecrow never attacked GCPD until after Barb was freed because she was a better target to torture batman with. Drones were used instead of manned tanks because they couldn't be scared or have to abandon their posts. Thus, forcing bats into the open to deal with them.
I wonder why Jason never brought up Tim since he believes Batman just replaced him with Tim Does Jason hate Tim or does he think Tim would just end up like him left behind by Batman I wish the two met in a Robin section maybe Robin figures it out but it’s too late
It’s mentioned by militia guys that they’re supposed to keep a look out for Tim, and in issue 2 of Arkham Knight Genesis (Although Softly Canon) Jason briefly monologues about how Bruce drags people into his war on crime while watching Deathstroke fight Tim. So I think it’s likely he does think he’ll end up abandoned maybe
Its not a retcon as much as its a new thange Bats and joker are dieing in city do to the titan un his blood form the end of the 1st game Mad clown disease seems to be inate in jokers blood from his origin at ace chemicals Joker infected batman has shown up originally in the batman 2004 cartoon this and of corse the bat who laughed The one big connection is all 3 clowns took a dip in toxic chemicals This guy has a thery on why bruce was dieing so fast in city bruce and the clown have different blood types So the lazurus cures the bad blood The cure cures the titan poisoning Mad clown disease mixed with fear toxin and bruces fear makes the joker personality Eventually taking out the bruce pursona And then the joker one takes a dose of toxin His own fear being locked away and forgotten and that allows the batman personality to come out Batman is still under fear toxin and mad clown disease but seems to have overpowered it with shear force of will
Why do you think Jason forgave Bruce? Is it because of the simple apology, or is it because he saw what Bruce was doing to save Tim and he realized he would’ve done the same for him?
I think arkham knight takes place in the year 2031 because he is 38 in the game and he was 8 when his parents where killed in 2001 i think so 30 + 2001 =2031 for the decon tapes
Imagine if instead of the side of Jason where he still cares about the others being relegated purely to the tapes, we saw him react extremely violently after Scarecrow throws Barb from the roof. Hell, have Batman confront Scarecrow differently after the fact, and when we finally reach him, Jason comes out of the shadows and just batters Scarecrow and doesn't stop even after he loses consciousness, forcing Bruce to pull him off. He definately sounded ready to throw hands in the first tape.
After Bruce fought Jason, he started stalking Batman and most likely knew that Scarecrow broke the deal (attempting to kill Barbara) and he was the one who tracked the van of Scarecrow, to the point Alfred warned Bruce about it and he just said "I knew he would return". So yeah, Jason proved he does give a crap about not only taking revenge for his loved ones, but saving others, even people he held a grudge in the past. The whole character of Jason was done a lot better in Knight than people give the credit imo
My understanding of Blackfire’s tapes was that he really did have some sort of supernatural immortality. I may be remembering it wrong, but I think that’s what happened in the comics. I think they were hinting towards the idea that Blackfire really may be immortal.
When I attempted to 100% Batman Arkham Asylum, I usually just put on the tapes in the background as I scurried around. In a way, it kind of filled in the scary silence of the Asylum after Joker was defeated
Yeah I remember like when i did botanical gardens the ivy tapes were very interesting, so I would put them on to see what would happen cause i got so invested in them
I played _Return To Arkham Asylum_ recently, and didn't realise that I could do that until I had a few trophies and tapes left. Could you do it in original _Asylum_ too? I played that years ago, and didn't do it there either. I'm wondering if it was a feature added for the Return To Arkham version.
The last tape also explains why Jason never made a move on the manner throughout the entire game although I do find it a bit annoying cuz we only get to see the batcave in an AR challenge which is retconed because the back cave origins looks nothing like it but it makes sense why Jason wouldn't go there especially with Alfred being present
@@frankwoods9680 why can’t Origins haters accept that the game is canon? There are so many references to it in AK. Besides the game wasn’t even that bad to begin with
@@papabloodharvest9542 Y’know something, I played Origins for the first time about 2 years ago, I had no reason to hate it, I really wanted to like it & was super excited to play it. People kept mentioning the hate it got & to be honest, everywhere I look.. all people ever talk about is how great & underrated it was, talking about bossfights & cutscenes which by the way, 90% of the boss fights were straight pulled out of AA & AC, even the Deathstroke battle everyone goes on about (most overrated boss fight of all time imo), the cutscenes… nothing too special that I can remember, currently on my 3rd playthrough & I cant help but notice how terrible it actually is, it’s an insult to the Batman character nevermind ARKHAM Batman (best rendition of Batman ever/equal with animated series Batman imo), it’s an absolute cringe fest, terrible writing, no innovation, cartoonish character models, the only way I would accept AO as cannon is if it was a story told the way the Joker imagined/remembered it. The writing & handling of the characters was the worst part, I really wanted to like the game, it was just terrible, obviously people’s standards have dropped since then, creating you.. the enemy to creativity. Anyway which references do you refer to?
@@frankwoods9680 I’m not gonna list every reference for you. If you actually played Arkham Knight you’d know what they are. And hate to break it to you but just because you don’t like the game doesn’t automatically make it non canon. Anyway thanks for the essay lmao
It shouldn't boggle your mind that much because there's an easy explanation: The writers changed. Asylum and City were written by Paul Dini, and Knight was not. This is why Knight fumbles so much that was set-up in the first two Rocksteady games. The worst being the Hush plot imo.
Here is a theory. The Joker is not a hallucination. He actually transferred his consciousness as a disease and tried to take over bodies as a hive mind. Unfortunately for him, every infected Joker had an independent petsonality. You can tell the Joker worked on this by seeing "Cadmus" written in the dlc of City. The idea is also related to Starro which Joker had in possession in the Knight dlc with Batgirl.
Credits to Everyone involved in these Audio Tapes. Everyone was fantastic, no bad performances. But to me, Troy Baker, Dee Bradley Baker and Maurice LaMarche are standouts.
Honestly, deacon blackfire is kinda crap in this game. In the comics, he's a charming cult leader with a preists robe, a white ponytail, and a completely clean-shaven face. In knight, he's a crazy hobo with a beard and a blue Jean jacket. His side mission was also incredibly shoehorned in, and he was pretty underwhelming. I really like blackfire in the comics, but he's pretty lame here.
Didn't know that there were hidden tapes for the dlcs. Wish there were 3 for ra's but I'll take what I can get. Love this video series. Just wish they made 3 or 5 when bruce at 8s parents got killed with Gordon.
And also in the Arkham knight comics (up to you to believe if it’s canon or not) Jason would steal nightwings “nightcycles” all the time two to be exact while trying not to hurt him the first time he stole it when he wasn’t paying attention and the second he shot a arrow at the bike while he was driving and as he stole it he says “your an easy mark Grayson” and would refer to him as “the prodigal son” so I don’t think he hated dick he just resented him but not enough to kill
You also see Jason yoinking Firefly's jetpack, and when he gets back to base he's also got a Riddler cane and one of Oswald's umbrellas propped up against a workbench. He's more Magpie than Robin, stealing little shiny trophies!
I agree with your bad blood theory in general but I feel like pointing out that what was said here about prions doesn’t really support your theory. If someone had misfolded prions (mad cow) and you got a blood transfusion from them you would more than likely get that infection regardless of if the blood types matched or not. Saying that Batman got this from jokers blood in city isn’t a theory, it’s literally what the game tells you word for word.
I have to agree with the 3rd tape from arkham knight being one of the best tapes in the entire franchise. I'm kinda mad that you could only find this in ya know a TAPE! But still it's amazing and i replay it alot. In my opinion they should've showed Jason like this in the game itself rather than just 1 tape.
