Small correction about what Dylan is saying at around 26:00; the skyhook is actually a real thing used by the CIA in the 60's and 70's , and it actually works. Fun fact you can see it used at the end of Thunderball (Chris Nolan is a huge James Bond fan so it most likely is an homage to that)
The ending of this movie makes it sound like Batman is going to keep on Batmanning whether the cops are on his side or not... and then in Dark Knight Rises he hasn't Batmanned for 8+ years.
I sort of agree with Sal’s point about Joker just telling everyone what they want to hear I always felt like Batman was the only the only person who took seriously or just “talked to” like a regular person, or as close as that guy can get to that.
I just want to say I cannot wait for them to get to BvS, considering that around the time when Benny and Sal started talking about Comic book movies, and more importantly when I found them talking about comic book movies, and I'm so excited to kind of hear where they stand on it today
Watched this movie a couple days ago in preparation for this episode, and man, this is such a good movie. Stuff I didn't quite get as a kid I understood better, but I'm still a bit torn on how Harvey does such a quick turn. I guess it's because Rachel is dead, but like, why was he called Two-Face as a guy in school? What makes him want vengeance on people, yet still give them a chance with the coin? I think had he survived, we could have better explored that in this universe. And I've never thought about the detonators being used for their own boats. That's actually pretty great because it proves just how messed up the people of Gotham would be had they decided to push the buttons; no, you deserve death for wishing it upon someone else, and even if one boat blows up, the people that heard the rules of the game would hate the survivors. Brilliant. I don't know why it wasn't obvious either because if Joke intentionally switches the locations of Rachel and Harvey, intentionally switches the hostages in the building, then of course he's switched the rules of the game with the boats. And as for Joker's motivations for anything he does in the movie, I mean, it's kind of said. He has no motivation other than it's just something for him to do. I think he's being genuine with Harvey in the hospital. He's a guy that makes plans, but he doesn't have a real end goal, so then he doesn't really have a plan, the whole dog chasing a car analogy. Except for just chaos and anarchy, which doesn't need to be methodical. He'll make a plan that will run for a week, and then he'll change it up, and then he'll do it again.
I heard in the sequel the joker wasn't meant to be bigger he was going to be a psychological side villain like Hannibal killing people from prison/ trial while Two face does his rampage. I think that would've been amazing it would've mae him more of a horror villain they don't need to go bigger.
@@famousthaneus9810 they had to change the ending when Heath Ledger Died, Harvey wasn't supposed to die and he wasn't supposed to kill anyone until the sequel
I remember Sal said he thought The Dark Knight was the most poorly written in his video about the Nolan trilogy on his channel. I was hoping he would explain why here because he didn't give any examples in that video and I've always been curious.
Heath Ledgers’ Joker was so great that there even a theory of what is The Joker’s Origin Story (The Theory is that The Joker was a Soldier, I mean he was talking a lot about Guns or whatever and he was even decided as a Soldier and even know how to The Gun Trick)
Idk exactly how fast the batpod goes but I remember in a special feature they originally planned for his cape to automatically fold into a backpack while he was riding but when they tested it the bike the cape just naturally billowed backwards the way it does in the movie and they thought it looked cool so they scrapped the backpack thing. I imagine it was going a reasonably quick to get the cape to do that, unless the cape is way lighter than it looks which is very possible
It's not about the objective better or worse than ranking, there's no such things as objective criticism. It's all about how effective it is at delivering what it's trying to deliver. Mostly it's just a subjective thing, how much do you like it. There's no problem with points or ranking, but it's not about objectivity
It actually is outside of killing people which could be argued that every Batman except for the new one did. His fighting styles, his mannerisms as Batman and Bruce Wayne, and if you watch the Bvs extended edition and sunder cut you also see you actually does use detective skills too. Not to mention he’s in a universe where superpowers exist which would’ve allowed for more fantastical villains like clayface, mr freeze, and poison ivy instead of being set in a ultra realistic world where you’d have to change or remove their powers completely. All in alI I think batlfecks portrayal of Batman was pretty on point but can understand if people just don’t like the movies he was in and what was done with( the Martha scene) but I do like the portal and world just not the some of the creative decisions done with him like branding and killing criminals.
Sure enough, ranking/comparing the films is a little "eh" given they each offer something different, but still... Mask of Phantasm number one forever! =P
So definitively The Batman is the best Batman movie ever made. When i watched it , it felt like a comic book because of the colours, the tone, the narration and batman solving the riddles piece by piece with alfred and gordon. The Dark Knight may be a better crime drama but as a Batman movie it's not the best
The dark Knight was the first batman movie I saw and loved and made me a Batman fan. Also I agree Batman or superhero movies in general are like different genres and different people's interest or interpretation etc. In the end the Batman movie rankings are just opinions.
Maggie's character is in the movie not to introduce Bruce to Harvey, but to fill the one-woman-per-movie quota. If she wasnt in this movie would there wouldn't really be a female character with a speaking part left in the movie.
Got to say. Benny definitely isn’t racist or anything, genuinely. But I’ve never seen someone so nonchalantly confuse cultures or conflate people of the same race so often so much as to think they’re the same person lol It’s something else. Happens pretty often.
I’m not a super fan of Dark Knight. It’s a great film but not perfect. I think Heath Ledger gives a fantastic performance which covers other issues with the plot. Bale, Oldman, Caine, Freeman are good also. The film is fantastic but drops off for me in the last 3rd. The boats scene at the end is pretty cheesy and could have been handled better. The biggest flaw is introducing Two Face at the end and killing him fairly quickly. The film should have ended with Dent becoming Two Face and saving him as a villain for the 3rd film (I have a lot more issues with The Dark Knight Rises). 🦇🤡
Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight was hailed as one of the best superhero movies of all time, something that has not changed over the years. Superheroes have been one of the biggest things to happen to pop culture since their rise in popularity during (roughly) the 1930s.
Even as a kid I always thought these movies got made just to try and get people who don’t like Batman to try and like Batman, also I think they got the very wrong director as a kid these movies always felt like they got a dictator that hates comics because they are for kids so he tried to do his own thing and it was bad in my opinion only good thing out of the franchise was joker, even then joker will get done better one day heath is bare minimum for good joker our issue is we have had too many horrible ones so it makes heath ledger look a a lot better as joker tbh if he didn’t ham it up so much it would have been. Okay,
I agree except I feel the hammy performance of the joker is the closest the trilogy comes to going full comic book. Honestly more ham would have done the trilogy a lot of good.
complete opposite for me. Specially when he started praising affleck's batman. I get that the suit and the warehouse scene was cool, but other than that he was terrible.
@@normansmith9009 It actually isn’t outside of killing people which could be argued that every Batman except for the new one did. His fighting styles, his mannerisms as Batman and Bruce Wayne, and if you watch the Bvs extended edition and sunder cut you also see you actually does use detective skills too. Not to mention he’s in a universe where superpowers exist which would’ve allowed for more fantastical villains like clayface, mr freeze, and poison ivy instead of being set in a ultra realistic world where you’d have to change or remove their powers completely. All in alI I think batlfecks portrayal of Batman was pretty on point but can understand if people just don’t like the movies he was in and what was done with( the Martha scene) but I do like the portal and world just not the some of the creative decisions done with him like branding and killing criminals.
@@normansmith9009 funnily enough, when I said "just about", his praise re Batfleck was one thing I didn't agree with... I'm more with you on that one. I'm with him on TDK, Bale's Batman, and a bunch of other points he made here though...
I was a bit confused about the whole Two-Face thing where Harvey Dent killing some people means his convictions won't stick. I don't think that's a thing. Just because a lawyer commits some crimes doesn't mean all their cases get thrown out.
I agree with Sal, Ben Affleck is quite obviously not a comic accurate Batman and he’s probably tied with Clooney and Kilmer for worst Batman portrayal. But Ben Affleck’s Batman that kills and brands ppl isn’t a comic accurate portrayal at all
@@gohanson27 my argument was that Ben Affleck isn’t a comic accurate Batman. I don’t think bale is comic accurate either bc of his killing not killing loophole among other reasons. I think Pattinson is the most comic accurate BATMAN but aside from appearance I think Affleck isn’t comic accurate at all. His reliance on guns and other gun like weapons is uncharacteristic, killing and branding is outdated at best, in JL Wheddon Cut he was a laughing stock almost the comic relief, and is the Snyder cut he seemed very unsettled and jittery taking away from the calm, calculated, and confident comic accurate demeanor. Pattinson is less calculated and calm in his portrayal but I give him a pass bc he was suppose to be an year 2 or 3 Batman so relatively new and inexperienced but he showed he was a capable detective and hand to hand fighter not to mention good with tech. Batfleck was suppose to be the calm, older, confident, and calculated Batman shaped by years of fighting crime but like I said he wasn’t that in either JL and I would say he was TRYING to be that in BVS
@@gohanson27 I agree with the Battison take but saying Bafleck was a good Batman outside of looks I whole heartedly disagree with that. Batfleck wasn’t shown to be technologically or tactically smart at, all relying on Alfred to do a lot of the tech work and relying on guns and lasers in JL which isn’t Batman. In JL he was less calm and collected like batman is suppose to be portrayed as at that age In the comics. The idea of gathering the JL was Lex Luther’s not even Batman. He wasn’t a detective at all, didn’t solve a single thing he was just reacting. In JL he was the comic relief for example think of the scene where he runs to meet up with the rest of the JL out of breath.
@@gohanson27 I’ll give u that Affleck did find out kryptonite was Superman’s weakness, but he didn’t come up with the plan in JL ZS cut, it was cyborg and resurrecting Superman was also cyborg. Batman’s only “plan” was to assemble the JL which really wasn’t his plan it was Luthor’s. Affleck used guns and laser guns throughout the JL movie against parademons taking away from his fighting capability, even the nightmare future was him with a AR. I don’t think Bale is comic accurate at all, I’d say Bale is just 007 in a Batman suit he’s not really Batman. Afflecks effects definitely screamed Batman but that’s not Affleck doing the moves it’s a computer (CGI). But besides BVS Batman never came up with a plan or showed any real “Batman” feats. Sure u might be able to say sending flash back in time is his plan but we never saw it come into reality. Alfred was shown to be operating, maintaining, and building all the equipment like the night crawler scene. Batfleck was more like a less intense and less extreme punisher in a Batman suit
@@gohanson27 going based on the past 3 batmen I think we’ve seen a tactcian, a detective, and a soldier. Bale was very tactical, he rigged or brought ab the circumstances to blow up the train and kill Ras, he used the phone tech thing against the joker and planned the capture of joker when Harvey was being transported, and he single-handedly planned the uprising and disposal of the nuke against Bane. Pattinson was a detective through and through he showed some but not a huge amount of tactical skills like when he injected venom, had the flight suit, and insurrected the iceberg lounge. Affleck was a soldier who went in to fight a war in both versions of JL, in BVS he found out ab the Kryptonite but other than that he did no planning of his own. JL (Wheddon and Snyder) cyborg came up with the plan to defeat stephennwolf and resurrect Superman, Luthor came up with the plan to gather the JL (he had the files), Alfred operated the tech, but Batman lead the team even though cyborg did the tactical work.
I don't understand how "You can't rank Batman movies" is any more valid than any other ranking. In the end it is all just opinion. Trying to make an objective list of what is the best, that might be difficult to impossible if there is no agreeable measurement (ie critics rate it this, it gets this many positive comments on twitter, we had a survey, etc)... but just ranking your favorites people do it all the time! I mean otherwise, you can't rank marvel movies because all those films have different genres too, what about ranking Bond or Godzilla films, depending on what you like things can change as well, same with ranking Superman movies, and I feel like people have zero problem ranking those. I just don't understand that point, if you don't like the Dark Knight then you don't like it, if you want to irrationally hate the Dark Knight then just irrationally hate it, lol, but the whole idea of "maybe these just can't be ranked" feels like trying to pull me into your dilemma! Because I don't know that I want to agree that Ben Affleck had the most comic accurate Batman, I mean, obviously that goes into "which comics" because there are plenty of Silver Aged comics where Adam West seems the most comic book accurate!
Dark Knight is just a great movie, any problem you have as a comic book fan I feel it’s very moot because it’s not a comic book movie it’s a crime film. Everything that happens has a point, if Two Face was set up for third film then there’d be no pay off to this film.
Heath Ledger in this film was mesmerizing. It was an amazing crime film and in my opinion best Batman. Ledgers Joker was so comically inaccurate and that's the best thing about him. This Joker could have literally been a brand new made up villain. Great video guys. RIP Heath Ledger
Great movie with a terrible Batman performance (not the characters the performance) Christian Bale is fantastic in Begins but Bale is phoning it in for this movie. Health Ledger is perfect. This movie is a 10 out of 10 when Batman or Bruce isn't on screen. Except for Interrogation scene
Ben Affleck is the best and most comic accurate portrayal on screen. Snyders Batman was the ONLY verison in live action to actually have a REASON justifiably and narratively I might add, for him killing. Every on screen version did and for no reason But Ben's is "not really batman". He has 20 years of experience, Is feared and respected by the public, has had a robin, has an ESTABLISHED rogues gallery, interacts with the Justice league, Has the best relationship with alfred, Alfred puts Bruce in his place and helps out in the field. Affleck has the best costume, gadgets, Tech and batcave, is the worlds greatest detective. Up there with Pattinsons. Not to mention his Bruce Wayne which cares for his employees and is a business while also being a playboy. Ben ACTUALLY HAS A CHARACTER ARC most importantly. In what way is Ben not The Best Batman?
90% of what the joker does involves impossible luck and was not well written, it's all lighting, costumes, atmosphere and performance that blow this movie out of the water. Affleck did nothing accurately from the comics.. Keaton's Batman is a decent Killing Joke.. Bale is the dark knight.. Patterson is year one batman. Which Batman story did Affleck do again? Great point by Dylan, if you wear a cape and a batmask and don't have a gun. it's not realistic.
So... 90% of what the Joker does plays out like most of his shenanigans in the comics? 🧐 And yes, I know he plans things, but the bulk of those plans always hinge upon people making the exact decisions, down to the letter, that he needs them to in order for every domino to fall
@@famousthaneus9810 not really, it's way more extreme and way more noticeable in movie format. Joker's luck in DK is more batman the animated series' timing then it is the comics imo, I like the movie, but that version of the joker literally has superhuman luck in my opinion, more so then any other movie version including the leto copter crash, he's essentially god in the way he makes plans magically work with perfect timing constantly knowing things that are impossible and unexplained, it's supposed to be a display of insanity and genius but the writer kind of dropped the ball and let Heath and the director pick up the slack. and they did amazingly
I do agree but most people not really noticing or even being bothered by the Joker's "impossible" luck could be argued as a reason for the writing was actually great. The story was so engaging that people were willing to suspend their disbelief for it.
@@Saulgoodman67677 I notice things, I pretend I'm some big genius writer and not a small fry but I had no complaints when I saw this trilogy, I even like Dark Knight Rises which had far more plotholes from a writers standpoint and involved a less charismatic storyline over all, I might critique things but if anything it's a tribute to how good Heath and Christian acted in their roles along with the amazing direction that it took us 10 years to even notice some of the stuff the writers did or didn't do.. when it released no one cared. we were all just so happy. :)
I watched the start of the stream and saw you mention which animated batman movies you are doing next after Rises and Lego Batman. I would suggest you use the list (link below) Since you mentioned certain Batman movies I would suggest start from the Flashpoint movie and then just do all the new 52 animated movies in release order. Because even a lot of movies like Justice League Dark, Batman is still one of the main characters. I'm only mentioning it since in some of the movies you said you were going to do. There are contexts you won't have if you haven't watched the others since it sort of acts like their animated version of the MCU. Not to mention it will give you more content, then you can just pick and choose which of the stand alone movies you would want to view like Supeman Red Son or Superman Unbound. You can use this list it has both release and continuity order for the ones set after the Flashpoint movie en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Universe_Animated_Original_Movies#Continuities Edit: For the record, Batman unlimited is TERRIBLE I watched 15 minutes and it is really aimed at the kids who watch justice league action and not how BTAS was. If you are going to watch any of the movies that is not official DC universe animated original watch Batman VS TMNT. It has a fun charm to it, being less dark than their other movies but is enjoyable for what it's trying to be.
