@@lqrosss basically the joker's goal is to make batman break his strongest rule, no killing. In this scene batman lost control in front of civilians when he cracked jokers neck. To finish it joker killed himself, so when the cops arrived it would seem batman broke his rule and killed him thus making the joker a winner in his and batman's eyes.
@@Xrayflames ah I see. In this it can be seen as joker still mocking him even after his death and getting the last laugh hence the "stop laughing". In the comics did joker have last words or did he just die? Not sure if it counts as batmans kill if joker was the one who sealed his death.
"All the people I've murdered by letting you live" I absolutely love this line, it took decades, but Batman has finally reached a mental state where he can kill the Joker without going crazy.
Honestly it’s such a powerful scene because Batman always talks about how if he crosses this line that he’ll never come back from it yet here at this point he doesn’t care. Its to point in his life that the code he’s spent a life time up holding, protecting and serving finally isn’t worth the lives the joker has taken and he realizes that now
he does go immediatley crazy, all that talking the joker did while up against the pillar on the ground was all in batmans head. The joker died when batman snapped his neck but kept hallucinating. Then when he tried to escpae, he's talking to the jokers burning body as if he were alive. Man 100% went psycho
@@Aeivious 100% psycho? My guy, he was stabbed multiple times in the gut, and many vital organs too probably, obviously the excessive blood loss does have some effects on the brain, so no he didn't go psycho he was just hallucinating for a while and killing the joker didn't seem to have any major impact on the rest of the movie since Batman still managed to defeat Superman, after getting surgically treated by Alfred of course.
In the comics joker’s speech turns dark, like Batman’s thoughts, after he snaps jokers neck so this makes it pretty clear that batman killed joker and is hallucinating the joker talking to him
I also like since the movie obviously can't use bubbles it plays around with the dialogue. "You're in trouble now." "I made you lose control". Lines that make way more sense if they were directed at Bruce himself.
Ooh that's why he said "stop laughing" I thought it was just some added humor and he speaking to the viewers, because I was laughing that he was missing his shots lol thanks for that
@@tonyspro Me:Violently kills man for trying to rob me 4 civilians: Scream like they're crazy and run in different directions to report me to the law. Me after trying to keep my honor: You've heed your last haw.
@@mmmCrunchy I guess he was lifting even in his mentally gone state of mind in the nuthouse. Because he is CLEARLY a beast in this movie, going toe-to-toe with Batman who is just fookin huge
After missing the 2 shots, "Stop laughing." Everytime I hear it, it breaks my heart. Bruce is so far gone, even in death, he can still hear the Joker's laughs
no Bruce isn't far gone, in my opinion he's always been far gone, the concept of murder is just illogical to him, but to all normal and sane minded people a man dressed in a bat costume concussing and paralyzing street thugs is immoral
I love how that implies that, after all, Batman's crazy too. Being either the kicking criminal ass on a bat costume or the blood loss cuz stabs tend to do that.
@@sanebane4355 Lol wot, it’s “all the people I’ve murdered by letting you live” Batman didn’t want to kill joker, and because of that he was allowed to kill more people, making Batman regret it. Hell his own psyche couldn’t handle killing someone so in his mind joker killed himself.
Does he feel guilty after breaking his code? Yes Will it haunt him? Yes Will Gotham be a safer place without the Joker alive and well? Yes Is this one of the greatest comic scenes ever? Yes
Cool thing is he didn’t break it, he finally did the smart thing by just paralyzing him Although the cool thing is, they leave it ambiguous over whether Joker really lived after the neck snap in the comic. Great book
Medically speaking, when you twist the neck violently enough, the person dies instantly. Speaking, breathing, conscious movement and sensation are all gone. Taken in a literal context, the Batman has to be hallucinating everything after he snaps the Joker's neck.
I guess because joker is undoubtedly bad so there's no debate around what they can do about him whilst with batman at least half the people in gotham don't trust him and think he could snap any second and he does, I think this not only confirms their paranoia but also betrays the trust of those who believed in him.
Of all the stories that have attempted to tell the story of Batman and Joker’s final battle, this is the one that truly FEELS like like the final culmination of their epic rivalry. The dialogue, the outcome, the aftermath…THIS is how their story really ends. “See you in hell” is the perfect ending touch. It’s such a simple and overused phrase, but it works so perfectly as the Joker’s last word to Batman, because you know he MEANS it.
Because to be fair even though the Joker doesn't have any morals he knows Batman does and like he says he's let a lot of people die by letting the Joker live. As he once said 'even to a guy like me thats cold'
Its not all on batman. Its the system itself. Gotham itself was so damn corrupt they easily couldave sentenced joker to death just for the body count alone. Even in one story where batman SAVES joker from execution for a crime he actually didnt commit they couldave ignored batman and the protocol.
@@ZeroOmega-vg8nqthere was a common comic lore related to Joker And his Death Penalties. Every time they tried to kill him, he ended up escaping and killing everyone who was part of the trial for his death penalty.
in comparison, The Batman Who Laughs and his origin feels like overkill. maybe that's the point, since having Joker kill all of Gotham, THEN line up parents and kill them in front of their kids, THEN having Batman snap Joker's neck, thereby getting infected with the Joker toxin, it all feels cartoonishly over the top. here, at least, they get to duke it out mano a mano, with the love tunnel all to themselves, and no world ending multiverse shenanigans ensue.
@@sunsetman22 yeah their final battle should be personal, not a universe-ending conflict, just two old men who once were gods in a final, bloody farewell.
I love the detail they did by making Bruce miss his shots to the C4. Shows human error and the fact he never really liked guns (despite being stabbed in the gut like 5 times).
It’s funny actually. In the comic, he’s quite old and can’t get his finger in the trigger easily. When he took down two face, he used a gun to fire a wire across two building. He also used rubber bullets to take down the mutants
1:26 The darkest part is that Batman probably killed Joker here and that whole conversation with him was just Bruce talking to himself and imagining the whole thing
I don’t know, his grip on reality was slipping ever since he decided to dress like a humanoid bat and physically assault the mentally ill. Batman’s been out of his mind, a long time.
"All the people I've murdered By letting you live!" The guilt Joker: "I never kept counting" Batman: "I Did" Joker: "And I love you for it!" Absolutely love this quick exchange, so incredibly badass and twisted.
You actually see hin be cloae to a villain at the end when he talks tk him self. It shows you if he was a hero he wouldn't be a civilian hes to messed up. Sounded like his dad and everything.
Me: OMG, it’s Baaattmaaaann!! Can I have an autograph, please? Batman: No.. Me: Oh it’s okay, I’ll just love Superman instead.. Superman: Oh nice! Batman: F*CK YOU! Violently snaps my neck and I die. Imagine that happening to me lol
Batman: Has throwing knives, explosive throwing knives, grappling hook, level 4 body armor nanotech, physics-defying glider cape, thermal vision... Doesn't have a single compression bandage...
One of the greatest adaptations of Batman of all time. Bruce is older here finally realizing some hard truths. Gotham has lost hope and he returns to give it hope. Such brilliance.
*”Stop laughing.”* I love that. Joker made such an imprint on Bruce, that even though he is quite clearly dead, Bruce can’t help but think that he’d still laugh at him, not just because he can’t shoot a gun, but the mere fact he’s using one. Joker would’ve found that unbelievably funny, and Bruce knows it.
@@roboy4488 His observation wasnt that deep either. It was basically the same thing you said but better articulated. And it's spot on, much less contrived or "deep" than what some of these other comments said about him hallucinating the laughter. Not sure why it's trendy to tell people "it's not that deep", you can tell it's a trend when people start using it wrong.
@@roboy4488 "Batman doesn't use guns never have" Tell me you've never read a Batman comic book, without telling me you've never read a Batman comic book.
@@N-GinAndTonicTM during early comics yes but in anything post crisis, prime earth, Bruce Wayne batman, he never really used a gun. at least not in anything that isn't despised by the community and was retconned as non canon
I love how truly VILE the Joker’s intention was… Many villains wanted to kill the Hero… the Joker wanted to CORRUPT him… Seeing a good man become a monster is the ultimate purpose of evil.
@@likhitbadwal6 Yh but the whole point of him not killing is that he would be no better than them it isn’t his fault that the justice system failed he did all he could.
4:12 the sheer unease with which batman uses a gun --- even in this dire, extreme situation --- really speaks to how he feels about them. it's kind of amazing that he only needed three tries
If citizens take a cops gun, cops have the right to shoot them because they don’t know if the citizen is going to shoot them. That’s for the real world.
The thing I love about this scene is all the great quotes “All the people I’ve murdered… by letting you live” “It’s finally here isn’t it, the moment we’ve both dreamed about” “I win, I made you lose control, And they’ll kill you for it” This is scene is truly amazing, very “poetic” as well
Batman being ruthless towards police shows that he realised the whole system failed him again. No matter how many times he stopped him the joker kept escaping a killing only for the same thing to happen again.
@@JJS595 *Joker slashes his stomach* It's finally here, isn't it? The moment we've both dreamed about! *Joker attempts to stab Batman's eye and Batman's vision starts to blur* Oh, don't tell me you're gonna fall asleep before we finish? You have gotten old, haven't you? Not quite how I imagined it, but we can still end on a high note! *Stabs Batman's chest a couple of times and Batman snaps Joker's neck* Hahahahaha! You're in trouble now... Go ahead. Say this has never happened to you before.
I really appreciate how Bruce’s no killing rule does not steam from some high spiritual code of honor in this continuity. He isn’t compelled by cosmic forces to become incorruptible. The reason why he does not kill is because of Trauma. Bruce knows this. He knows that taking a life directly would trigger his trauma and emotional pain. He can perform every skill on the planet, beat every men in there prime, and become a symbol of hope for millions. But this one flaw, is one he could not break even after all these years. And Bruce places so much responsibility towards the actions of the Joker. “All the people ( I ) murdered, but letting you live.” You can hear the frustration in his voice. Bruce dedicated his life into becoming a symbol of hope. Yet this one man, this one monster, challenged everything Bruce stood for. It’s Bruce’s trauma that prevented him from having a deep complex conversation about ending the Joker’s life. A trauma so deep that not even the death of his son, Jason, could force him to kill. This fight pushed Bruce to his limit. He was no longer the same youthful warrior in his past. He was now and old man fighting a ageless monster. Joker would force him to end the fight, the only way he knew how. Putting an end to their rivalry once and for all. What a scene.
Yeah and it is cannon that this Bruce and the Bruce in Batman year one are the same continuity which dives further into the fact Bruce is a highly traumatised and down right obsessive individual Batman never wanted to kill but understood that one day he would have to. Also with the fact that Batman has mental issues the conversation he had with joker could be his mind trying to justify his first murder
There’s a theory out there that suggests that the joker was already dead after the Batman had snapped his neck, his last words being made up in Batman’s head, the last line: “stop laughing” could be further evidence of that
Thorveim I don’t think Batman snapped his neck as much as he fractured it. If he turned his head far enough, especially with it already being fractured, his neck would snap.
@@verynormalhumans4420 Nah.. it was an hallucination... Batman thinking the Joker was having the last laugh on him and pointing how hard this neck snap was going to cost him not that he broke his biggest rule... supporting that is the "stop laughing" batman gives at joker's burning corpse a little later on when he decided to break his other rule by using a gun
He’s lost a lot of blood going insane and is hallucinating the joker laughing while covering from gun fire from a few machine guns it would be quite hard
@@gnuresk4057 Depends on the writer. Some batman learned how to shoot after all you're dealing with guns on a daily basis you need to understand how these weapons work first hand.
“It’s finally here isn’t it, the moment we’ve both dreamed about” I love this quote because it reminds me of they’re conversation in The Killing Joke about how they’re battle will end, about who will kill who. This is why I love Batman and The Joker’s relationship so much because no matter how many times they do the dance of death they can’t manage to kill each other because they cancel each other out. Batman’s moral code keeps him from killing him and Joker’s twisted obsession with him and his philosophy about how they can’t live without each other and that they’re destined to play this game forever.
Until finally that moral code breaks and they are reduced to equal footing, setting the stage for the grand finale, the final punchline if you will, where they struggle for survival not as gods but as men pushed to their limits.
The f**ked up thing about this is Batman killed him in self-defense. That's literally the only time killing is permitted but in Batman's mind, Joker made him break his rule and make him no different than him.
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@@NeightrixPrime no. Being a vigilante would. It's illegal for a reason, mainly that people taking matters into their own hands isn't something to encourage because where does it end? Look at batman, he pretty much created these villains. That's how it works. Batman isn't a hero to idolize, but an unfortunate creation out of desperation.
Why? Vigilantes rarely are measured. Look at frank castle. Dude is psychotic. He's directed against criminals, but he's still sadistic and cruel. The comics go to great lengths to show that. We love him, but the dude needs therapy, like bruce.
@@NeightrixPrime well, the joker is farrrrr beyond any one person or even group has accomplished. If the joker were real, he would singlehandedly be the world's biggest terrorist and murderer. And most serial killers I wouldn't say deserve to get basically tortured, but yeah I see your point
Unfortunately fiction mimics reality. A man in Illinois stopped an armed man from slaughtering a bunch of people and the man who saved everyone ended up getting killed by police
@@muhammadshaffin2916 Atta boy. Don't ever do that again. Lemme guess... you didn't know how to use your cellphone? Didn't know how to turn off "auto-caps" or whatever?
Batman: People see Joker on a killing spree, no one panics because it’s all part of the plan, but when they see me killing the Joker, everybody loses their minds!
4:09 it's adorable in a way. Up until this point in his life, he's never once killed anyone with a gun, let alone use a gun. He's used gadets to disable, and his fists and feet to cripple. But never with a gun, closest thing he has to one is the various grappling hooks, launching devices, etc.
Every line hit different But when joker said: “it doesn’t matter I win, I made you lose control and they’ll kill you for it” While his neck was broken, was some serious shit
That’s cause that was in Bat’s mind, no human can actually survive their own neck being snapped and actually be able to talk afterwards let alone use their neck
@@Crisyx91 If you check the comics, after Batman snapped Jokers neck, Jokers speech bubbles turned dark like Batman’s speech bubbles meaning that Batman was hallucinating
_"All the people I've murdered by letting you live!"_ "I never kept count." _"I did!"_ "I know. And I love ya for it!" That whole exchange gives me goosebumps every single time!
Its pretty crazy how not that many people are actually giving the scene where batman tells joker's dead body to stop laughing enough recognition like wow even in death the joker has a way of antagonizing batman and basically making him go kinda insane such a good movie
@@galenmarek4582 still a great point to make. sense it is directly related to the original comment's point about what makes it a good scene and good movie alike.
1:27 a few folks say that this is when joker dies, and the dialogue that follows are happening inside of Batman’s head because the thought of having killed someone has fractured his sanity and mind.
The tunnel of love is oddly a rather fitting place for The Joker to die. Because Batman and Joker have more connection to each other then some lovers do.
I've watched this scene an absurd number of time. It always bothered me that a broken neck didn't kill the Joker instantly. But now my theory is that "This is the moment we both dreamed about" and "not quite how I imagined it" are foreshadowing to the fact Batman killed Joker instantly, but with his injuries and given the heat of the moment, he made up the last bit of the conversation in his head. Finally the moment came to end his ultimate rival's life and it should mean something. The first time the Bats takes a human life, it should mean something. But nope, there is just a dead body in front of him, nothing else. So he makes up a reason for it all, the Joker speaks in his head but it's just a corpse convulsing. We only get Batman's understanding of the Joker's motivations here, the only logical answer a reasonable mind could come up with given their past. The truth is, Batman never got the real answer. Maybe it was indeed a way to corrupt him. Maybe it was something deeper. Maybe it was just for fun.
@Speedzone Speedforce Exactly. The stupid ideology only exists because of censorship, you can't show kids flawed heroes and that's why i loved the way Batman v Superman did things and of course animated movies like this one.
“All the people I’ve murdered by letting you live” Think about that for a moment, think about the lives that Joker took, terrorised and ruined either for his own sick amusement or just to hurt Batman. Think of all the times Batman could’ve stopped him for good but couldn’t because he’s so broken himself that once he starts going he’ll be just as worse. Think of what Joker did to people that Bats cared about, the brutal death of a child by a crowbar, a bullet in the spine of the daughter of one of the few people Batman considers a friend and the attempt to break that friend’s sanity afterwards just to prove a point. Think of the time Batman gave this man a chance and he refused to take it because he knows that he’s too far gone for redemption. Think of the people, guilty or innocent he murdered in order to get Batman’s attention, the people he gunned down during one of his iconic chases, until Batman finally has enough. That is why this line is so powerful.
Broken Glass yes, although I suppose him not being on the death penalty says a lot for Gotham’s law enforcement. Another reason why he gets away all the time is that he pleas insanity and abuses a system that allows him to continue to do what he wants, he’s smart enough to exploit the justice system while also doing illegal stuff.
In spite of how dark it is, this was truly amazing! Not only that, but those explosions sounded so satisfying, even when Batman was circumventing the tunnel.
@@muffinboi4134 i think he's talking about the fact that probably joker died when batman broke his neck and the conversation after it's just batman hallucinating
@@malharjajoo7393 when joker is on the ground he says “I did it. I made you lose control”. Batman has beat the shit out of people before but his one rule was never kill and now he killed the joker but I’m his head I’m sure in his head he hallucinated joker killing himself to help Himself so he thinks joker killed himself so he doesn’t have to deal with it
I do wish the animated movie kept Batman’s killing in-tact, since I think that’s very important in understanding Miller’s take on this Batman. There’s a case that could be made for the movie that Joker did snap his own neck, but I much prefer the idea that we’re just seeing a fractured Batman in denial though. It’s far more obvious in the graphic novel that he killed Joker. The moment when Batman shoots a criminal in the face was changed for the animated movie, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the animators wanted to try and alter Joker’s death too to keep Batman from truly being portrayed as a “murderer”
"All the people I've murdered....by letting you live"... This just summerizes Batman and the joker. That no matter what Batman does, he will always lose, because he has morals.
“There's a point, far out there when the structures fail you, and the rules aren't weapons anymore, they're… shackles letting the bad guy get ahead." - Jim Gordon, The Dark Knight Rises
@11I00OO1I0O1Il it's a stretch to say Batman doesnt care about others. Batman does have morals--you just don't agree with them. That's because he has values, that you don't and vice versa. Batman will protect as he can, but he isn't willing to sacrifice his virtue of integrity to do so. He doesn't want to become someone who has to kill to get what he wants--he wants to protect people, but he doesnt want to kill to do so. The Joker is always constantly trying to get Batman to make that sacrifice, to sacrifice his virtue and become like the Joker himself: to kill to get what he wants. And all Batman wants is to avoid that. There's already enough killing for pleasure and gain, as Bruce knows first hand from his parents deaths. Why must there be more? You claim it's justice, but as Ghandi said "if we all took an eye for an eye, the world would be blind." All that matters to you are the consequences, all actions done to appease your own desires/values. In this way, you are no different from "egotistical" Batman in his quest to perserve his own values and virtues. All morals are egotistical in this way. You simply decide your values are inherently superior, then condemn batman's. This dogmatism would he something Joker would love to play off and take advantage of, as he usually does with many characters. And also, you can't condemn Batman for not being willing to sacrifice his moral integrity for something else, when you have your own value you'd never sacrifice for. It's a basic axiom: everyone has one value thing theyd never sacrifice. Whether it's a principle, a virtue, a person, a material, or etc. Theres one singular thing more important to an individual than anything else. And that value is usually what all our morals encompass. So I'm willing to bet that you have a value, like batman, that if threatened, youd be willing to make a sacrifice to perserve it.
@11I00OO1I0O1Il "it is not a virtue to let people die." Never said it was. I said batman held a value of life, and that the value of life wasnt worth sacrificing for another thing. In this understanding, morality operates on a ranking of values--an heirarchy. If Batman values the concept of not taking life above consequentialism--meaning he takes a moral stance of deontology--then of course he will not kill, and will sacrifice one outcome to protect his value. This is an opportunistic cost. Sacrificing one thing, for something you value more. And he values the moral integrity of not taking life, so it comes first. You cant say you dont have values you wont sacrifice. Everyone does. For example, I imagine you value life. But you'd be willing to sacrifice the value of life for the protection of something more important than it--say someone you love. You'd take a life to protect someone. In this case, you sacrifice the value of life in order to preserve the value that is your love one. In Batman's case, he'd probably let his loved one die in order to protect his moral integrity. In this way, besides the different between your values, how are you any different Batman or the Joker? From anyone? People like you try to tell yourselves you are the better person because youd get the right results. But it's all purely relative and subjective. The results you'd want are different from someone else. You can't condemn batman in an objective manner, and when you try to, all youre saying is that your values are superior--which is just your opinion. Values are all subjective. And youd be willing to sacrifice a less important value for one you think is more important. That is ethics. It's just an expression of desire and emotions--there is no true moral proposition that can be true or false. It's all in your head. And what's in your head can change over time. Batman's values changed, so he was willing to sacrifice for a more important value.
The Golden age pre crisis Batman of earth 2 actually got rid of his bullet proof vest because it restricted his acrobatics and movement. Maybe this Batman did the same.
You know my favorite thing about the Joker? Batman has dedicated his entire life, every fiber of his being, into becoming an unstoppable crime fighter. He can punch the living fuck out of guys like Bane and take down entire armies of goons in seconds. He’s an absolute beast of a man, yet SOMEHOW the Joker, a clown in a funny suit, manages to go toe-to-toe with him every single time. We don’t even know how or why he’s so tough. He just IS.
its often underestimated but the joker is just as smart as bruce is, if not smarter. he just chooses to devote his life to trying to make batman go insane/break his rule.
I think he is able to go toe to toe with batman bc not only is he unpredictable, thats hard to fight against in general, but the man seems to have no sense of pain. I mean in this scene, his eye is stabbed. He is being punched harder than any physical person could punch you, and he is standing up like its nothing. I think thats why its hard to fight joker, because it takes A LOT to knock him out.
@@acus9112 it’s either joker can’t feel pain or is mentally deranged enough that he doesn’t care and just keeps getting up. Not to mention he’s unpredictable if he doesn’t care about pain he’s never on the defensive and leaves Batman on the defensive against someone unpredictable who will let themselves be hit while still attacking you. Kinda like a person on bath salts. Some of them you’ll see take a few billeted but keep coming.
Hmm…well we know from things like the Arkham series that he’s able to power through Scarecrow’s fear toxins, which even Batman struggles to do. I suppose it wouldn’t surprise me if pain is just ‘nothing’ to him.
@@Gadget-Walkmen …is that why he kept him alive for 60 years or am i missing something? with every comic out there you guys still dont see what the intentions of the writers were. batman needed joker as much as joker needed him. without batman, there’s no joker. without joker, there’s no batman.
@@willywompa9663 lol now you’re just making up nonsense in the most ridiculous way. Batman doesn’t need “joker” at all in ANY way, Batman wants him dead and wants him to stop. There are PLENTY of other Batman villains for the writers to use. Stop using this nonsense saying if that “they need each other” lol no they don’t. For selling comics, sure. But not for in universe reasons at all, no.
@@Gadget-Walkmen Batman does need joker not just as a person but as a character. Joker is his character's foil. Because the writers literally intend it that way and have all but spelled it out for you. Did you understand the joke in the killing joke? The two crazy people escaping are literally batman and joker and batman needs to keep joker alive because he needs to prove his methods and rule work and that he isn't crazy himself. Multiple comics over the decades have explained how their relationship dynamic works.
@@crispri3919 From a STORYTELLING stand point, but not from batman literally needing joker. I already know the whole "archnemesis" angle but NOT from anything else.
@@MrMegoLoco I am not sure about this... But Jouaquin was offered Dr. Strange and Hulk... he said no... because he wants to play different fucked up role everytime
@@Blekkkkkkkkk Dude... Joker was dark... have you seen the taxi driver... its brutal and Jouaquin's You were never really here was deep,dark drama too... so its possible...
“Don’t tell me you’re going to fall asleep before we finish...” Combined with the Love Tunnel, this has some rather... suggestive implications about Joker and Batman’s relationship.
For the very first time, Joker aimed to kill Batman, not just to have a fistfight with him. He knew Bats reached the end of his patience and will finally kill him, so the Joker finally took his chance in return to kill him. Without evil, there can't be good either.
LMAO Joker has ALWAYS trying to kill the Batman. Saying that he didn't isn't paying attention to any of how Joker's kill attempts to wipe out the batman, ESPECIALLY in the Bruce Timm verse where there is no "lovers" dynamic between them; joker just wants batman dead and be done with it because he's been getting in his way and that's it. What you're saying is pure nonsense especially this garbage that "wIthOut eViL thErE caN'T bE gOoD eIthEr" pseudo intellectually nonsense that only a kid would say. If there was no evil in the universe since it's beginning than NOTHING bad would happen to whole world and it would be even MORE beneficial. Good can EASILT exist without evil, saying other wise is pure nonsense drivel. Stop spewing that nonsense out to people just because you think it sounds "smart" or "poetic". NO! It doesn't make any sense at all.
@@Major-fu6tr Good is the opposing force of evil. No evil -> good is irrelevant. There is just neutrality, as if everyone minds their own bussiness without interfering with one another. Oh, and for the record, it's written "without", not "with out".
@@OberWanKenobii wanting batman to be there and still wanting to kill him every time are not mutually exclusive. It’s a paradox for him but he’s insane so that’s how it is. Saying multiple times doesn’t excuse the absolute insanity of his actions all the time as he acts sporadically.
Batman: kills the worst guy ever Commissioner: “if it’s not a cop shoot it” Random cop: “did she just tell us to kill innocent people to find vigilante for killing the worst person ever?”
The moment you realise that's what the justice system is in America (and why I'm glad I don't live there... Although I guess that's just how the media portray it... But it's all I got to go off)
@@childishbambino2024 you believe what you like. We believe the media that provides evidence. And I have lived through that evidence and I have seen it for myself. Americans treat anyone who isn’t white like garbage. There are nice Americans but at this point it’s overwhelming how much hate we (non whites) get for being born in a different race. Thank you
This fight and conversation is the best animated one to date, imo. I just thoroughly enjoy this one. It illustrates the entirety of their battle and selves.
@@Nitolordgrave you're wrong. In the comic All of Jokers his speech bubbles are white and Batman his thought bubbles are gray. Once Batman snaps Joker his neck the speak bubbles of Joker turn gray also. Everything you see after the necksnap is in Batmans head. The Writer even confirmed this
*Joker*: Kills a million people in the most brutal possible way. People: "Everybody need a chance to be rehabilitated! *Batman*: Snaps Joker's neck. People: "HE MUST PAY FOR WHAT HE'S DONE HE'S GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME!"
@@maldino2917 The only reason The Joker isn't executed is because he is considered as insane and the law forbids sentencing insane people to the death sentence so the only thing they can do is put him in an insane asylum which he escapes from every time he is put in one
@@maldino2917 Exactly. If I lived in Gotham and heard that the Batman killed the Joker, I would be like good on you Batman! Now I won't have to live in fear of being blown up everyday. This whole thing of throwing the Joker in jail just for him to escape after a week and kill thousands of innocent people really sucks for us regular people.
I like how those two people were okay with Joker, a mass murderer, running around with a gun but when Batman breaks his neck while he is getting brutally stabbed they run away from Batman. Honestly, it makes no sense.
Never made sense either. I guess before doing justice like this you have to be a police officer or in the military or else people will think your crazy.
Danish Tart I think they were coming from a different entryway of the tunnel and hadn't noticed the hell coming from the other side until they got close.
This was made on purpose. "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" is a explicit critic of the society built by the Social Justice Warrior. They accept Joker, a mass murder clown only because he is insane, but not Batman a man that protect innocent people.
Francesco Panattoni I think it was done purposefully too. The screaming signifying that Batman has gone too far and done and almost murdered the joker.
Ok, hear me out... imagine this scene, live action... directed in that gritty Coen Brothers' fashion. Same style of lighting, costume, and coloring. Josh Brolin as the Dark Knight. Willem Dafoe as the Joker. Just... throwing it out there. I want it to be real.... so fucking bad.
@@alnocturna1867 I suggested Brolin cause he really does look remarkably like older Bruce Wayne. But after hearing your suggestion, I second the Gerard Butler choice
I assume the blade was coated with drugs. Still, it doesn't excuse losing the brawl - Batman let himself be overwhelmed and then stabbed out of nowhere.
That's not a faint. That's adrenaline. Anyone who's hyperventilated pretty much knows this. Also he was stabbed about four times before he actually fainted.
Yo!!!! That is not even the worst part, before they run up into that tunnel joker is killing everyone he sees. I mean everyone the guy selling candies even he gets shot, and I mean everyone and brutally and that bitch gets freaked out because of that!!!!
The fact that lady and guy was watching Batman get stabbed to death by joker at 1:30 not worried but when Batman snapped jokers neck now they screaming and running what about the gunfire?
