Dang! I really enjoyed Legacy. My experience though was quite different. I read Contagion and Legacy back to back, all fully collected. Including the later Bane of the Demon series. So no gaps or delays. I also knew it was Ra’s going in. I also haven’t read the elseworlds material you compared it to. I enjoyed seeing Batman work so well with his tight-knit team of allies against a big epic threat from the Demon’s Head himself. For me, Ra’s is the biggest threat in Batman’s rogues gallery
I like the inclusion of humor. It changes the pace of the video significantly. I don't know if I'm the only one who think that Contagion and Legacy would be a good two-part animated movie just as Long Halloween recently. I would love to see an animated Knightfall feature film too.
At the time all Bat titles were written in continuity. Contagion, Legacy, Cataclysm, and After Shock were all events that led up and shaped the events of No Mans Land. All archs were a little over written to accommodate and sale 6 to 9 titles. I think the large gaps in between archs were to give writers time to write. Also at the time, DC was getting a lot of negative feedback about long cross over story archs. The year and 1/2 gap between Legacy and No Mans Land was needed to make it all work
Legacy is okay not great just okay and it pales in comparison to contagion my favorite moments in the story was the art by graham Nolan the Robin issues and the rematch with bane!
This may have been a mess when published but in my opinion it reads well in the modern collection of the story where you have Bane of the Demon as a prologue and the Bane one shot as an epilogue plus you have the Catwoman issues you mentioned included in the lead up as well. In my opinion there isn’t any bad Batman stories written by Chuck Dixon or Alan Grant just a sliding scale of great to decent.
Awesome video! I think Legacy is entertaining, but not the most well crafted of the Batman crossovers. Though like you said, lots of the individual chapters and moments are pretty good. Also, really great and funny editing!
I’ve read all the legacy before and remember the plot, but I complete forgot it was a crossover I just remember it was a solid Dixon Nolan detective comics story.
Great video as always! I'm liking the addition of humor with your editing. When you were talking about the cat woman cameo in the legacy comic, I didn't expect the dramatic close ups and it had me bust out laughing lmao
I can't wait for the early 2000s history all the good stories from that time batman hush,no mans land, And I can't wait for the 2010s because of the new 52 I loved the court of owls story
My friend, love when you talk about a no so interesting batman comic and you make it fun. Btw top notch editing. Love the funny tone of the video. Keep up my friend you are my numero 1 source on batman comics. Thank you for this video. Goodspeed my friend.
Legacy was when I first started buying Batman comics outside of those based on B:tAS. I myself absolutely loved it. Ra’s is my favorite villain, but (like Godzilla for me in the 2014) I thought the Demon’s Head’s portrayal was perfectly balanced, I had a full grasp of the plague’s place in the story throughout, and while Bane may have been an Ubu, I had the full feel like Ra’s saw him as his biggest upgrade ever. Catwoman, OK very minimal, and while Scotland is a strange location choice, and while as an artist here Dave Taylor’s attention to detail is phenomenal, the action movements are MEH; but the story was a lot of fun, including the side story with the Picture descendants. But it’s my favorite 90’s arc to read.
Depiste not being great story, I think Legacy is one the few stories that actually makes Ra's feel like a genuine global threat. Despite being consider Batman greatest enemy, the one who represents a threat to the whole world, Ra's rarely does anything that puts the world in danger in Batman comics. Eveb his apperances in Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams run, the one that many fans consider one his best stories, Ra's doesn't do anything that shows him as "villain that puts the whole planet in danger", except stealing a scientist's brain. After that the story is just Batman traveling the world and trying to find him.
I liked it basically only for the Ra’s Al Ghul and Bane parts. Oh yeah, and the Graham Nolan art . But yeah, there were waaaay too many Batman crossovers in the 90’s (And early 2000’s, too.). I think that this was Ra’s first big story Post-Crisis.
Another great video! Thank you for reading these stories so we don't have to. I would go insane trying to read every Bat-comic. There really needs to be a list of 'must read' Batman comics that goes beyond Dark Knight Returns and Batman Year One. I eagerly await your every video, and so I thank you for your work. :-)
You should still go read them even though you watch the videos 😂 Batman comics are amazing. Batman stories to read that aren’t Year One or DKR: Batman: Hush (overrated, but still very good) Batman: Court of Owls Batman: A Death in the Family Batman: Under the Red Hood Batman: The Killing Joke Batman: Three Jokers Batman: Knightfall Batman: War Games Batman: No Man’s Land (long one, but worth) Batman and the Monster Men (my personal all-time favorite Batman story) Batman the Mad Monk Batman: Venom These are just off the top of my head. Also, check out the “Caped Crusader” and “Dark Knight Detective” TPB collections. They collect 80s-90s Batman and Detective Comics, leading to Knightfall. A lot of them are just detective stories or Batman dealing with the crime/villain of the week, and are great stories with classic artists like Jim Aparo and Norm Breyfogle.
The most recent Batman game: Gotham Knights has the same problem as this one, especially Talia al Ghul. It has a lot of potential, but it was ruined by poor controls, generic story, and many missed opportunities for other villains who have never been adapted before, such as Wrath, Cluemaster, James Gordon Jr., etc.
You really stepped up your Cutting and Putting pictures, clips and voice over together. Can't wait for the next big chapter "Cataclysm" which leads to "Road to No Man's Land" and finally "No Man's Land" Gook Work!
Awesome video, and it touches on a topic that’s been on my mind for quite some time. I got into reading comics and Batman in particular through Morrison, and then continued on with Snyder. I’ve read all the musts, so to say, from the 80s (Year One, Returns, Arkham, Long Halloween), but I’ve been meaning to go through a run again! Could you point out actually good stories by Moench, O’Neil or Dixon? Cause my problem is exactly what you are alluding to, I don’t want a good script but a BS story. I want to get into their runs with something that is both beautifully phrased but excitingly laid out as a story. Hope I make sense, and thanks in advance for any suggestions
The thing to keep in mind is that long comic runs will always have ups and downs, whereas graphic novels are either good or not. For Denny O'Neil, his best stories in the 1970s were done with Neal Adams. Unfortunately all their stories together have never been collected as one run. The closest thing out there is *"Batman: Tales of the Demon"*; which collects the first Batman saga ever printed in the comics. Doug Moench is a special case because he has two Batman runs: one in the 80s and one in the 90s and also he's one of those writers who is not for everyone. If you want an idea of how he works, I would suggest getting the *Batman/Dracula: Red Rain* graphic novel. It's a self-contained story featuring some of Moench's most iconic work with artist Kelley Jones and it will give you an idea of the style they aimed for during their run in the main Batman title. On the off-chance that you end up enjoying that, you can follow up that with his 90s Batman run which was collected as *Batman by Doug Moench and Kelley Jones*. Unfortunately, his 80s run has never been reprinted or collected as a whole; which is a shame because I like it a lot. And the thing with Chuck Dixon is that some of his best work was outside his run in the main comics. Like *Vengeance of Bane #1-2*, *The Joker: Devil's Advocate* and *Batman: Bane of the Demon*; all of them done with artist Graham Nolan. Their Detective Comics run in the 90s is also top notch, but the thing is that they were constantly interrupted by the big 90s crossovers, so they don't really have long storylines beyond the occasional three-parters in between crossovers, which is a problem across all Batman comics in the 90s. For instance, Knightfall contains half of Dixon and Nolan's run in the main comics, but Knightfall is a larger storyline anyways.
@@SalazarKnight thank you so much for all the suggestions. I’ve read Red Rain and I remember enjoying it so I’ll continue with what you suggested on Moench! Knightfall I got recently so I’ll get through it. And then maybe check the other ones you suggested by Dixon. The thing with o Neal makes so much sense, cause it’s a name I’ve been seeing here and there since forever but never actually got a suggestion. It’s a shame there’s nothing collected. Thank you for this awesome channel, just found out about it, will make sure to check out your history of Batman videos soon!
Great new video Salazar, I guess the story was buried because of the confusing name. While it might be a pretty mid-tier Batman story the art does make it up for it in my opinion. I didn't expect that Brain joke! I loved it xD I totally agree with you, however, on how Bane and Ras crossover. I say its a good complex of the brain and brawn of the two them
What was so amazing to me as a 17 year old Batman Reader of the time , was This was my first exposure to Ras Al Ghul in any comic. Besides the episodes of Batman the Animated Series, Ras Al Ghul had been pretty much dormant in Batman titles, with the exception of 2 Late 80’s Batman Graphic novels. For about a 20 year period they did nothing with Ras. So this was big for me at the time. 😊
Legacy sounds like it has almost the same problem that the clone saga had - what was supposed to be a straightforward story that would only last x amount of issues for a few months, gets ballooned out across all the titles for far too long. Great video
This honestly felt like they were just making the story up as the pages were drawn by the looks of it. Some neat ideas, but no cohesion or polish to actually make it a proper story. And heck, this was easily doable. Instead of being obvious they could've just put tiny bits in that makes people suspect it was Ras, till the big reveal happens with Bane and the story establishing that Bane took control of Ras operations similar to how he beat Batman a year (in story) prior. Would make for a good twist and cement Bane as one of Batmans most cunning and deadliest foes, considering Bruce could never really beat Ras to this day (and him hiding as Ubu to not attract attention would've been a smart move on top of it). Keeps up with his gimmick (beating invincible looking figures and not just being brawns but also brains) while advancing other characters status quo as well.
Hey sal I want to ask you a question how did selina know batman's identity when jason was around? Because I read the first issue of dark knight detective and she keeps calling him bruce
The early issues of the modern age are complicatee because they were still using the previous continuity, where Selina knew Batman's identity. Then, Year One was published and reset the whole continuity, making those early stories not canon.
I agree with you on the inconsistency of Legacy, as I thought the only great issues all took place in Detective while all the others were pretty forgettable. Chapters 1 and 6 in particular are excellent, but they make me sad that the other chapters were nowhere near as good. Talia being forced to marry Bane by her father was a really interesting plot point that helped make Talia sympathetic, but it's not really explored since it's dropped as soon as Batman defeats Bane. Come to think of it, Chapters 1 and 6 actually work better as a two-parter than pieces of a large saga.
I dunno, I still think Captain Stingaree and the Human Flea were the villains. YOU DARE QUESTION THE NECESSITY OF SHIRTLESS DESERT BATMAN!?!??!? YOU DARE!?!?!?!? IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF CATWOMAN CHEESECAKE, WHICH IS TO SAY, MANDATORY, YOU FOOL! After all, what would this story be if we didn’t see Catwoman’s perfectly sculpted rear and Batman’s perfect chest hair that all of the creative team wished they had. I recently had relatives go to Scotland and they got sick with a certain virus, sooo… I think Ra’s is still at it in 2023. (They’re better now, but what an odd coincidence.) This was probably your funniest video yet. Good job. I’m really hoping that this channel picks up soon, the algorithm can’t bury you forever. You put more effort into your videos than most bigger comic book RU-vidrs. I’m more lukewarm on this story than you are, but I don’t think it’s particularly good or memorable either. I like that Ra’s is an actual threat here and he actually does something himself for once (seriously, older Ra’s stories really have a problem with characters saying he’s dangerous and then he barely does anything, case in point, his debut saga). And there were a couple of okay character moments for him, but it’s far from the best Ra’s story, but also far from the worst. Bane certainly was there. At least he eventually made a comeback in the Tabula Rasa storyline. Catwoman certainly was also there, until she wasn’t anymore. Actually, if they were going to have a Catwoman tie-in, why not have her in Gotham teaming up with Huntress? Seems like it could expand the stakes a bit. I was going to say something about Talia… but I forgot what I was going to say. Oh well. The only death for a while was a politician, and the reader doesn’t care. Sounds like what happens in real life when useless politicians die. Sorry, Armand, you’re no one’s favorite character. I feel like different creators proposed different parts of this storyline, and they had to loosely stitch it all together. O’Neil could’ve proposed the basic plot and Ra’s as the villain, Grant could’ve suggested the interlude in Scotland, Dixon could’ve suggested using Bane, etcetera. I don’t know if Dennis O’Neil was firing on all cylinders editorially here, it seems like they needed more time to hammer out the finer points of this story. In summery, eh, it’s not particularly memorable. This video was much better, keep up the good work, Mr. Knight.
Batman legacy has same problem...actually dr Manhattan story doomsday clock is even worse than batman legacy because at least you waited 3 months while doomsday clock if not wrong nearly 2 years
This is great! Love all the 80's and 90's Batman comics and story arcs. Can't really stand modern Batman, Superman or Marvel comics. No appealing artwork, no appealing characters and no good story arcs.
Exactly I own every Batman comic up to about 20/20 from post crisis up till in 2020 but then they wanted to start turning everybody into homosexuals and transvestites and everything else and turning core characters like Tim Drake into a homosexual even though he was never even remotely close to anything like that unbelievable it's made me not buy modern comics which I hate that I don't do it because I want to support the industry but I can't do it I refuse to support things like that when you get woke you go broke
Doesn’t help the modern writers tends to force their own interpretations onto the characters including the need to put their own big stamp on the characters and only their interpretations rather than work with what was already there. They all want to have their Kingdom Comes but don’t want to go through the process of earning it. They all want to be the Dennis O’Neil or worse, be the Frank Miller in regards to the characters’ history. Especially the latter when he only ever wrote two good Batman stories in his entire career and somehow has more of an influence on mythos when Dennis O’Neil’s run on Bronze Age Batman that saved the series from dying in the late 60’s.
Batman has suffered the worse since the mid 2000s. The batfamily has gotten bad, the batgod issue is real, and no one seems to use the classic villains right anymore. There’s still good comics but I’m sick of the Joker and dysfunctional batfamily.
There are great modern Superman and Batman comics, you are being a "back in my day" type of person, there is nothing good about that mentality, you're just angry about comics having woke ideologies. Woke people are here to stay! Edit: Also, what do you mean "no apealing artwork" the art is great in most modern comics.
i consider that you miss a lot of important/cool points of this, as 10:56 is it catman? i think that you could have mentioned part of the story of that character, i know him and his original version.. and when i saw him, i mean cat woman was a hard off but when i saw catman my brain said man this must be a homage or something, also the bane part was a little bit of virgin typa rant huh? sorry if it was offesive but i was straight up funny, its ike so supossed fans or actual readers cant understand the universe that they like and its a shame...
tried to watch the full video, couldnt make it past 14:22, i dont know what video made me sub but i kinda regret it now, this is definitely the video that would make a new new comer click on dont suggest or dont recommend this channel
It's not Catman. It's Hellhound, a random character from the Catwoman comics that has little to no relevance whatsoever. Sorry to see you go, but glad to hear your thoughts about the video. Cheers and good luck!
@@SalazarKnight thank you so much for clarifying that!, i didn’t read this comic obviously and I’m hella young but i grew up with some comics and here i am.
@@SalazarKnight i got a question, i remember a silver or bronze age comic that reminded me of the dark knight returns or the dark night, the joker wasn’t the joker anymore and i think that batman quit or something idk... it had that old look, y know... and that happened it’s been inside of my mind for years... and i just can’t find any video or anything related to that, sometimes i find the og suit of thomas wayne and more when I’m watching brave and the bold but the system/algorithm gets weird after a time and i just can’t find that story of thomas too
@@SalazarKnight yeah no, I’m not leaving, I’m still subbed, but the "ranting" it’s what got me off of the video, i noted various things but it started when bane first appeared, and i thought hey that man looks like bane I’d like to see bane here and then you revealed that he was bane and starting ranting and that he shouldn’t be there, I’m a casual in a comic-wise sense (?) like... I’m not here bc of the movies, but I’ve seen like actual readers or fans misunderstanding dc’s universe and how it works and everything... it just threw me off but it wasn’t enough until i reached certain time stamp and said i can’t listening to this anymore. Also you should put a little bit of effort of going into detail, i mean it takes more time and work but it’s what makes the video and gets people to like you, no offense this content is... a copy paste, basic, average, everybody does it, it’s like a insta story, automatic content with no effort and basically every other channel will look and sound the same, the only problem is that they don’t get into details too, they don’t explain completely, and this new bald bearded guy did when i least expected, i thought he was gonna skip when i said bro it’s just another one but he did get into detail except when i wanted him to get more into detail with certain things... and that’s what differentiates channels, the everybody’s people’s channels and actual fans channels or something...
