That fight sequence where Bats has to save Martha Kent felt as close as I can get to a Batman: Arkham Asylum/City/Knight/Origins movie. And it was glorious.
I honestly feel the Arkham Batman is the absolute best Batman, and that scene made me feel the same way. I felt like I was watching a cinematic Arkham scene. So basically, the scene that got me the most excited only got ne so excited because it made me think of something else.
Yeah thats awkward isn't it. Basically its fanfiction material, considering the reporter that was shot in the beginning when Louis interviewed the terrorist was apparently Jimmy Olsen. And they killed Mercy too? wtf
+SirWalrusII Not really. Riddler isn't a goofy guy. It was a Jim Carrey thing. Which isn't bad. Also, what's wrong with goofy Lex? Lex is known to be a goofy guy. Remember the Lex in the Reeve's movies. Also the one from the Superman: Brainiac Attacks movie. Also the one episode where Flash was in Lex's body in Justice League: Unlimited.
I really enjoyed the movie, i can sort of see why people didn't like it, maybe the build up, the way it was cut together etc, but i thought it was awesome, had me pumped up for it. So i'm happy with it.
I think people didn't like it that much because DC is probably competing with marvel and DC is trying too hard on getting a good movie out which typically makes the movie bad
+manz92 I tip my hat to you for saying that you disagree with Jeremy's opinion, but doing so in a very polite and considerate way. Thank you, much appreciated.
+JOK3RxSh07gun This may be hard for a fanboy like you to understand, but people have opinions, and sometimes they're not going to be the same as yours. Shocking, I know. But the opinions of those who hated what they did with this movie as just as valid as the opinions of those who loved it.
+JOK3RxSh07gun That's what happens when you hire Zack "Sucker Punch" Snyder to direct your movie and kick off the DCU. People might hate your movie and say negative things about it. And let me point out that I am not a hater and really wanted this to be a great movie but alas it was okay at best.
Just saw the movie and I fucking loved it!!!! Now critics are covering their ass's online with articles explaining why the film is breaking records and people are loving it. The fuck would you know a good script if it rubbed you on your clitoris. Go watch some artsy gay movies like birdman fuck face.
To be fair, this is the Batman that's been at the job for 20 years, and in the span of 2 years he finds out about Superman and co, WW, Flash, Cyborg, and Aqua Man. That plus the dream within a dream scenario and Lex's comment on the calling something from space should be enough to justify some kind of prep. It's the most obvious sequel tease in the movie, but it's also the 5th one.
+Sahil Dogra Because this movie is doing something Marvel has yet to achieve, you know being realistic? What do you expect all of them to fight at the same time against a god-like creature without taking a breather?
At least Zack Snyder tries to make great movies, and he makes outstanding visuals; you could argue is style over substance, but I enjoy most of his films. Michael Bay is only explotions and sillyness.
+rickdeezy07dj I had more fun watching a Michael Bay movie than a Snyder. Synder's all about visuals. Bay's all about visuals, camera angles and comedy.
+adrianalfawolf2000 I really hope Jesse's Lex Luthor will end up getting stuff happening to him that makes him a little less frantic on edge all the time. Like over a couple films he ends up being a much stronger and more confident Lex Luthor. It'd be great. I like him, but he really didn't knock it out of the park like he should have.
Believe it or not, when I heard the name "Martha" and the whole "Your mom, my mom's name bit." After all these years in following Batman and Superman, I never once said to myself "Batman and Superman's mom have the same name" That did catch me off guard I'll admit.
DC writers are kind of shit at coming up with names. Two-face was ALMOST called Harvey Kent, instead of Harvey Dent, because the writers forgot that their *flagship character* was named Kent...
Doomsday looks like Shrek, Ninja Turtles, Abomination and wet cement combined together to create the most unpleasing looking cgi model. And he isn't even given a character, just this big monster for the heroes to fight.
Problems with BvS: - Lex should've been cast differently (perhaps Bryan Cranston) - No Doomsday - No Wonder Woman - All this combined would change the story quite a bit Problems with Suicide Squad: - Enchantress should've just been a cameo not a villain - Joker should've been the villain (so that these guys, especially Harley, have a need to band together) - No Boomerang (Even though I liked his character he should've been saved to be introduced in the Flash film, as his character served no real purpose and took up screen time) - Croc should've had a small backstory on how he's been trying to fit in and sacrificed himself or had a character moment in the sewer (instead was reduced to grunting muscle)
Kinda. The Watchmen were originally going to be the Charlton heroes. Rorschach was originally the Question but the entire way Moore wrote him was to be a darker Batman.
I really hope that in a future movie they bring Doomsday back and make him a proper villain. Because in the comics, he may have started off as mindless, but eventually he begins to show intelligence and even speak. Also, as for an explanation for why he is still alive, the comics already have one. You literally cannot kill Doomsday. He may be dead for a few days, but he never stays dead. Plus, his body constantly adapts to whatever killed him previously so that he can't be killed the same way twice. So not even kryptonite radiation will hurt him after that.
no. He's bland as hell. his only reason for existing and his most epic moment was beating the entire JLA and killing superman. anything beyond that is pointless spectacle.
+Shawn Zamir FFXV Exactly, WB pissed away what should have been an incredible and serious "The Death of Superman" film because they wanted a 20 minute action scene.
+Arthus850 Didn't in the comics Lex use Doomsday's body in the creation of Superboy? There may be an avenue for that. I could imagine Lex escaping prison and using his resources and knowledge of Kryptonian physiology and biology to create a proper Superman killer, bringing back Doomsday or create Superboy or both.
or more like the studio told him to take short cuts. i mean y would he made an uncut version thats different from the theatrical. his watchmen uncut was great but had a terrible theatrical release too.
***** There's about 30-40 minutes that was cut out of the film so it could keep a PG-13 rating, so who knows. Age of Ultron also had tons of minutes cut out, but unlike BvS, we won't see what stuff was taken out. Maybe the cut out content would've made me like AoU.
Frosty ! Some of the subplot I felt deserved their own movies e.g. the capital bombing should've just been exclusively to a man of steel sequel and not BvS
They cut out explaining story scenes from the theatrical version? Why would you do that? The ultimate edition made the whole movie make sense. Ive seen it 5 times and the complex things you can find in it are great. Not many movies have that rare rewatch quality. It's weird because you realise that lex luther owned that movie. Jesse Eisenburg/10
actually the 'martha is my mom too' thing is much deeper, it shows to Batman that Superman isn't just some God, but a mere man too, with a Mom. Plus Superman cares about his mom, another human, right before he's gonna be stabbed by Batman's spear
Mad Eye 21 actually even the death of superman is another extension of the theme, "superman is not a God, he is a mortal who can die as well" Just remember in this movie reality, superman is still treated as alien/god but not as a man yet. And with his death, the movie is trying to portray Superman is on human side with human values
Bruce: Where's your mom? Little Girl: (points to building Superman destroyed). Bruce: Is your mom's name Martha. Little Girl: ...no sir. Bruce: Then fuck off.
"Hey Zach!!!" Yeah, bro? "I need you to jam two and a half movies worth of story into one." I gotchu fam. And that is how Batman V Superman, Dawn of Justice: Death of Superman. Apokolips edition was made.
+LeO2PaC that was lazy writeing at the part of the movie . i was like wth?! Batman u killed shit of ton of people so u could kill superman and just because his mom is same as urs u wil spare his life? wow bs
I actually liked that wonder woman was watching the news from the plane trying to decide whether she should get off and go help or stay and not miss her flight, gave an actual inside into why heroes dont appear in each other's independent movies even though they are part of the same universe, like she was trying to decide whether they could deal with it on their own.
+821lancevance So true. I thought it was gonna be shit and I had an awesome time watching it, such a shame the Internet consensus is labeling it as crap.
Zach Snyder was the director and the film looked amazing minus a few parts. The weak point was the script and as far as I know Zach wasn't involved with that. I personally hope to see Zach involved with more DC films
There's so much going on in this movie to the point where ur lost and nothing makes any sense. The main things in this movie that I hate are jesse esinburg as lex luthor, the plot and doomsday. Jesse was so annoying. That was not good lex luthor. Jesse acted more like the joker than lex. The plot made no sense. The movie gave no real reason on why batman and superman were fighting. And then We find out at The end of why they are fighting is because lex is holding supermans mom hostage and if superman doesn't go kill batman, he's gonna kill his mom. Are you kidding me?!! Superman should've wanted to fight batman cuz he feels that batman puts himself above the law and takes justice into his own hands. This movie is mis titled, it shouldn't have been called batman vs superman. It should've just been called Dawn of Justice. And doomsday, first off, he looked absolutely horrible and secondly, he shouldn't have even been in this movie. DC y'all done screwed up big time.
+Andrew Farr I agree with you but I strangely still loved this movie. Some of the scenes, like the opening scene for example were so original and well executed it just makes up for the bad parts in my opinion (something I normally wouldn't say about a movie with an iffy plot). but that's my point! I don't get why Zac Snyder is getting so much hate when he wasn't involved with the writing. that was Warner Bros trying to advertise for the future movies. The look of the movie itself was beautiful so I hope Snyder stays on and just gets better writers and Warner Bros let's them actually make a movie
Sure I'm supposed to hate the bad guy but if its a good comic book villain its a 'I love to hate him relationship'. This man child wasn't Lex Luthor. I hate the idea of my heroes killing anyone, period but I wanted someone to break this weener's neck. He was an annoying obnoxious, whiny man child who didn't deserve to have Lex Luthor's name. I don't know how anyone who calls themself a DC fan could defend his portrayal in this movie.....
Everyone made fun of how batman changed character after superman mumbling Martha but I found it even more annoying that superman said Martha instead of Mom! I mean who does that??? Of course he would have said mom instead of her name, that is just lazy script writing.
6:00 Should be noted that Superman didnt go to Batman intending to fight him as Lex wanted. His intention was to get Batman's help. Batman wants to take Superman out throughout the entire movie, Superman never wants to really take Batman out. He hated Batman's style of justice but didnt want to fight him cause of it which is why he threatened him to stop instead of just ripping his head off. Batman is the aggrieved party in the movie. Which makes sense as the title is Batman v. Superman. Batman is the Plaintiff and Superman is the Defendant. The Defendant is the one who has harmed the Plaintiff.
+Al A Yeah, Superman didn't want to fight, but instead of persisting in trying to plead to Batman, he gave him a huge shove back. It's him saying "I don't want to fight" and then swinging a punch anyway. I know if he kept on pleading, Batman would have stopped eventually, they would talk, and there would be no fight, but what they had was a paper thin lead-in just to make them fight. The director and writers couldn't have come up with a better reason? This movie makes them look like amateurs.
The clock was ticking, because Lex had his mother. So he did use some force to try to get him to stop. He still didnt rip his head off, as he could have.
+Mr White with the desert scenes, clark kent investigating and having a reason to not like batfleck, with led being shown as being more manipulative and calculated (especially with the reasoning behind the courthouse explosion), to lois lane being a potato to actually having use...the movie is definitely better.
The way they set up the fight between batman and superman is awesome. Like how Lex blew up the court and made it seem like Superman caused it and pissing batman off. Then they fight for 5 minutes and then they're friends. The build up was so intense and then a five minute death battle and they don't even finish it. The trailers are also false advertising SOOOOOO badly. It's still a good movie if you don't think of it as a batmanvsuperman movie.
The main huge problem with this movie as tons of people have pointed out is they tried to cram about three movies worth of stuff into one and it's VERY noticeable. That being said, the cool stuff in it is REALLY COOL and I'm dying for a solo Ben Affleck Batman movie now. I never thought I'd say that but dude was an awesome Batman.
give me campy and cheesy any day, which means I enjoy heroes who care about people and act like heroes. Why DC want to be so dark and gloomy? Superman use to be a wish fulfillment hero.
Okay, Jeremy? If they'd made Jesse Eisenberg's Alex Luthor more like Lex Luthor, what would even be the point of him being Alex instead of Lex? Because there's a point to him being Alex: the abuse that he suffered compels him to, in his own psychotic way, try to "save" everyone from suffering under a tyrant. And given how the movie hints at Darkseid, Superman may not have been the tyrant he was talking about.
A mess of a movie, I didn't hate it, though there were many things in it that I did hate. Batman V Superman had the potential to be one of the greatest comic book movie ever made, and in all honesty was botched pretty badly. There's certainly good things in it, but so much is crammed into this movie for the sake of setting up other films, that it forgot to be a coherent (good) story with fleshed characters, with clear motivations to one another. It's a film that poses many questions, and ideas, some of which are cool, but the execution of them is poor, in the sense that there's no real weight to any of it, stuff just happens, but with little story build up to any of it. Hopefully these DC cinematic universe films will get better as they go, but this film should've acted as a good jumping off point, and with the sloppy execution of it all really didn't do these future DC films any favors.
+Luke Mcglinchey Yup, that's what the Flash said.... if Lois Lane dies, he goes rogue.... I don't want to see that. It's stupid!!! You do something like that after you already have 2-3 successful Justice League movies... and you make something like an else world, multiverse.... but you don't do that from the start.... The problem is I find it hard to believe they prepared a movie 10 years from now.
Surely superman could have just sensed where his mother was and just gone f%^@! them up and saved her, rather than agreeing to do something when he had know idea if Lex would hold up his side of the bargain..
In another review, a person made fun of this, by having something written on a picture of "Martha" akin to "Why do you always seem to know when Lois is in danger, but not when I'm in danger?" (or something like that... Maybe it said "Why do you always know where Lois is, but not where I am?")... Your comment just made me think about that... & laugh...
I think there's a part where Supes actually goes looking for his mom, turns his super hearing on, but hears all the suffering of different people around the world. I think they took it out because it was too dark. Hopefully, it's in the extended edition.
+Foxy Grandpa I like that they had unifying force to pit against the three. It seemed right if predictable. But instead of Doomsday, it should have been some Superman clone, paving the way for the introduction of Superboy..
I noticed that they killed Mercy, just like they killed Professor Hamilton in Man of steel. Also they were saying the camera man that dies in the beginning name was jimmy. Zack Snyder is killing off key characters who should mean more to the superman character later!
I agree. That scene with Diana going over those video clips would have worked better that way. Likewise, the follow up meeting between her and Bruce at the cemetery.
HELLASgate7 personally I thought it was better than 7.5 and wanted to give it an 8 but felt 7.8 was fare. However as a DC fan I give an 8.3 as a casual movie goer I give it a 6.5
+HELLASgate7 Sorry, little boy, but i actually tried to like it. Infact, I really liked it until the batman stealing kryptonite part (Lex not included ipre that scene). If you're an actual Dc fan and not just a blind fanboy, you should see flaws in this movie (Weather you liked it or not, the flaws are glaring.) Also buddy, people like you who are willing to attack people for opinions makes you the loser. :)
Superman was forced to fight Batman in the The Dark Knight Returns. Supes didn't want to fight him then either but the US President forced him to do it.
‘Movie critics’ criticizing Batman v Superman for being too dark & serious is a little hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Considering every time Marvel puts out a slightly darker movie, they write a puff piece editorial…...
+Jedidiah Bowman You completely missed the point of that scene. If Superman just said, "Please save my mom," it wouldn't have been enough of a emotional trigger for Batman to stop killing him. It's the fact that he did say "Martha" makes Batman's mind completely snapped. You have to remember, Bruce Wayne is mentally unstable. Brands people, dreams about a giant man-bat eating him etc. In that moment, Batman realizes Superman has people who cares about him(Martha Kent and Lois Lane). He realizes if he kills Superman, he is also indirectly killing Martha since Lex said if Batman isn't dead, Martha will die. He has a flashback to the death of his parents and has a epiphany that if he kills this man, he is no different than the mugger who shot his parents. Batman's entire reason to fight crime is to make sure what no kid will ever experience the death of their parents.
I thought this movie was very good. Not perfect by any means, but it wasn't as bad as people say it is. Sure there were about five different movies in this movie, but they all served a purpose in their own way. It showed what the future of DC could be like and what it has to offer. Sure there are going to be better DC movies, but I don't think it was as bad as the critics are saying since I guarantee most of them have never picked up a DC comic or tried to do research before the movie so they can write a better review. Not talking about this guy in that sense. It was a movie that had its problem, but successfully launched the DC Cinematic Universe. I am excited for this universe to unfold and I know later titles will continue to improve upon each other.
W-James Cause if it was for general audiences it would be an embarrassment to DC fans. The same way GT is an embarrassment for dbz fans, I mean a lot of fans had high hopes for the movie but, it was a let down. Besides GT ain't cannon and no ones gonna complain about that.
Eden kanangila Let me tell you some facts. DC sell around 200,000 issues. On average, 8 million people in the US saw Batman vs Superman. These movies are for general audiences, not comic book fans. Do you honestly think that all that money spent making this film would have all been for 200,000 people? Also no matter what genre weather fantasy, sci-fi or superhero, if the film fails to have good characters, a good story and is not well paced then the movie fails. I didn't watch it because iv seen other versions of these characters before. These movies are not made for DC fans, they're made for general audiences and BvS failed to impress the general audiences. Its not because we didn't understand because we haven't read the comics, its because it was a mess of a film. Just look at the box office results.
W-James Read my comments again because, by general audiences I meant the DC fans, so I was saying this isn't a movie made for DC fans cause if it was it would be an embarrassment to them. You see, they made a mistake to try and generalize it too much. Every time a studio makes a super-hero movie they have to also make it for the comic book readers, so when they're being inspired, they must also think about the comic book fans to become more inspired and make a better movie. When avengers came out, they made it more family friendly by adding that comedic value, but that didn't change to much because, they were simply acting the same way they would in the comics, and its not just that but, their previous movies gave general audiences (non-comic book readers) an Idea of their of their personality and made them close with the audiences. When I watched the movie I could tell that the director had the DC fans in mind, but he generalized it too much, he revealed doomsday because I believe he tried to get even general audiences excited for what's to come in this movie and in the future movies, whilst DC fans already knew that if doomsday is there superman is likely gonna die. I hope in the future movies they at least consider the DC fans to create an amazing movie cause, BvS was supposed to be one of those movies everyones waiting for, the same way everyone's waiting for civil war or the infinity wars. I'm not the biggest DC fan but, as a marvel fan, good marvel movies like spider-man 2 or avengers were successful cause they made it more for the marvel fans than the general audience and in return they got great movies out of them.
It's one of those films where the further I get from the screening I saw, the more I like it. With more time to compartmentalize and actually absorb the film, the more I realize how great it really is. A second screening I think will be much more enjoyable. Coming out of the cinema I would give it a shaky 7/10, 3 days later and I confidently say its a strong 8/10. P.S Snyder may not be the greatest storyteller but god damn some of those visuals were some of the best I have seen in a superhero movie if not the best
+mali mall I don't know if it's just me but I felt like the first 1 hour and a half of the movie is just all the stuff from trailers filled with forgettable BS. Actually the whole movie felt like that to me. The only small "twist" we didn't know from the trailer is Superman doesn't want to fight Batman on the fight scene, which is stupid considering they spent like 2 years and 1 hour screen time building the conflicts. Could have enjoyed a bit more if I didn't watch any of those trailers. But well...
+TonioDoesGames I did too at that part and the bomb going off in the Capitol. Though I sort of saw the bomb one coming as every single movie nowadays does that thing where the sound goes completely silent before the big BOOM or other jump scare variant happens.
+TonioDoesGames That reminds me, was that an Easter egg for the Man-Bat? Because that's really what it looked like. I'm not jumping to the conclusion that he's going to be the next villain or anything, but it'd be cool if that was their basis for the monster's design.
+Xavier Morrissey the flash looked like a dirty mexican with his long black hair in a pony tail and a beard. doesnt even look like barry allen whatsoever.
Actually, a good story would be Lex playing both sides, making deals with politicians & media to turn the world (and batman) against Superman. Then Superman accepts his fate in the world and embraces the system of law. After Batman is convinced Superman is an uncontrollable threat and Superman is convinced Batman is an out-of-control vigilante, they inevitably clash. Wonder Woman breaks up the fight right before Batman would've killed Superman and explains how the snooping she's been up to points to Lex being their real enemy. Then Batman chimes in and explains how his newfound love for the "system of law" won't do shit to stop him or the corrupt politicians in his pocket. Superman insists on stopping him the legal way and Batman/WW go "whatever, but we're trying our way if it doesn't work". Then Superman confronts Lex, but its too late and Doomsday is born.
+Shaun Wright another better idea for a plot: Batman is closing in on Luther's underground side business, and as Luther is gaining support by pandering to the "Superman sucks" crowd he kills two birds with one stone by getting Batman to kill Lois or Martha (he would assume Batman has no chance against a vengeful Superman). That way, Superman becomes even more hated, giving him more scared people to pander to, and Batman is no longer a threat. Or better yet: Luther didn't count on Batman killing her, and had taken her to lure Superman into a trap, which would put the blame entirely on Bruce. Either way, Batman would be responsible for another Martha's death, which would completely destroy him.
dc were getting smashed when iron man was made...then avengers, then winter soldier and so on and so forth ...dc try to make themselves seem amazing and more grown up than marvel but they just make flop films, it's like snyder went to Michael bay and went "hey what's the best thing to have in a movie" and bay went "lots of action, zero story"
