I wrote an entire PowerPoint on why the XIII Legion is better than the Ultramarines Chapter, with Calth as my prime example. Can’t wait to see this video
@@TridentShield22 The M40 Ultramarines Chapter Adeptus Astartes is a different thing to the M30 Crusade era XIII Legiones Astartes. The XIII Legion does not exist as an entity.
Sergeant Aenoid Thiel - "I've developed tactics and theory crafted ways to defeat other Space Marines, Sir." Ultramarine Captain - "Not only is your scenario impossible, but it's also heretical. I'm going to censure you!" A Space Wolf, there by way of a Chapter exchange program, quietly leaves the room.
No no,a Space Wolf’s way of killing a Space Marine is charging in like a mad man with his squad,and and come out with half his squad dead becuz they weren’t wearing their fucking helmets,and Aenoid’s way of killing is actual tactics like u said.
And here comes yet another proof of how shitty is HH series: in Horus Rising it's clearly stated that before the fight with the possessed Sons of Horus there NEVER was a fight between Marines.
And this is why you don't piss off Gman 😂 he's a candidate for Khorne's champion when angry, and his anger isn't like Angron, he is still tactical even enraged 😂
The Battle of Calth was the most darkest moment for the Ultramarine Legion and their moment that they the Warriors of Ultramar will see the horrors of the Heresy in their own realm , and perhaps the key reason why they will never reach the Emperor in his most dire moment.
False. The darkest moment of Ultramarines history was when they got utterly destroyed by an alien species in the Great Crusade, before being reunited with their Primarch. Were they named Warborn at the time? 🤔
Lorgar, the most loyal primarch was betrayed by the Emperor and Guilliman. The destruction of Monarchia allowed KP and Erebus to infect Lorgar's mind. The Calth tragedy is on the Emperor.
@@heathmcrigsby Lorgar was told numerous times to stop worshipping the Emperor by the Emperor himself. In his desperation for truth and a cause to believe in, he chose to worship Chaos. Lorgar was never under mind control nor corruption. He chose his path. The Emperor is an asshole, but free will is still a thing. The only Traitor Legion with any legit grievance is the Thousand Sons.
2:48 The Chad The Remberance comes back once again. Dude you and Luetin need to do a collab both of you actually put effort into of not just summarizes the novel but actually chronicles events which is dedication. Nothing but respect to my favorite warhammer youtuber
When you doubt that Guilliman is a badass...remember when confronted by a gloating Kor Phaeron trying to bring him over to the dark side, Bobby G's answer was to rip the guys heart right out of his chest!
Iron Hands might be my Legion of choice, but the XIIIth made that a very hard choice to make. If I had to sell all but one book in my Black Library collection, Know No Fear is what I would hold on to.
Iron Hands fan? They are not my very top choice but they are up there for sure in my list, I cross my fingers hoping GW will do something with them, anything, such a cool-looking legion/chapter with a lot of potential and almost nothing comes from it.
If there is a single moment that forever swung the Heresy firmly in the favor of the Ruinous Powers it was the Calth Atrocity. To me, it is second only to the breach of the webway by Magnus, which consigned the Ten Thousand and the Emperor to a unwinnable war beneath the Imperial Palace, as the greatest death knell to the Emperor's grand dream and the beginning of the end. Calth and the resulting ruinstorm was the hammer blow that ensured that two of the remaining loyalist legions best equipped to break the siege and win the Solar War would not be able to stand upon Terra in it's darkest hour. The Ultramarines and Dark Angels were denied the chance to stand by the Emperor of Mankind against the forces of the Warmaster.
Personally, one of the things I would have changed about Lorgar is his perceived cowardice. Erebus is the shadowy coward; Lorgar, especially when fuelled by zealotry should be one of the most blindly brave soldiers of The E/chaos gods. When getting beaten by Horus his zealous ideals should have fuelled a rage within him that would have given credence to him putting up a good fight vs Horus. I get him being a tortured soul beaten down by abuse, but that should lead into the zealous rage even more. Frankly, I want him to have a moment where he beats the crap out of Erebus and Kor Phaeron
Lorgar is continously bullied. By Horus. By Corax. By Guilliman. Everybody slap him as he starts throwing tantrums. But there's no bad lore, only bad authors.
If i listen to this when i am in bed....i am awake to long. At work customers complain. Daytime....my cats resent me. I am a troubeld soul and there is only war.
@@sessy01 But in the face of the heretic, the mutant and the alien....its hard to do. Thank god , the " heretic" and the " mutant" are out for a stroll in the countryside.
The best end to a great weekend. Downloading for enjoyment tomorrow. I'm all tuckered out from my Birthday lunch. I got so many amazing art tools. So tomorrow brothers I will be making mistakes, going over the lines, and not giving a single care to the worries of my head. Thank you Brothers, may you find peace if only for an hour. You are good enough 💯❤️😈🤖🫡🇬🇧
49:45 "Beware the paths of jealousy, hubris, and ego, for therein lies the path trodden by the Bearers of the Word. Their bitterness and resentment are eternal; there is no hope of salvation should you descend too deep into the mire. So take to honor, take to courage, and refuse to fall victim to the clutches of spite." Still goes hard as fuck and phrases like this one lift my spirits whenever i feel destroyed, thanks again.
Alternative title The battle of Calth: the Galaxy's greatest temper tantrum Honestly probably one of my favorite HH books, but it took till I finished the book to really like it. It's one of those stories where everything comes together in the end
Perfect narration, great music, best Legion. Supeb video :). I am happy that Black Library managed to give the Ultramarines so much more character with the 30k books.
Calth explain's 40k's Imperium dystopian paranoia towards traitors. In less than a day a prospering planet is hit by multiple apocalypses, leaving it an irradiated dead rock orbited by debris.
Reminds me of how awesome Death of Hope by Mark Sparx was. The "God was real and he hated us.." line was the opening line that introduced me to the Horus Heresy. So many awesome quotes from around the Calth times, the other was the Word Bearer "take me from my home, and I will sail to the stars of your Empire..." monolog.
In FURTHER cosmic irony, Lorgar is such a treacherous bastard that he would later go on to try this EXACT same backstab with Horus at Ullinor. Everyone hates Erebus but it's Lorgar who's treachery knows no bounds or limits, as has betrays even his own brothers at whim. His hubris, selfishness, and callus indifference to all life makes him a bigger ahole than even Cruze. Cruze is outright sick in the head and his insanity is why he's the way he is. But The Aurilian, he's just vicious jerk, his ego never allowing for even the possibility he could have been wrong anywhere in his life. He turned on the Emperor because he couldn't admit he was wrong and blame Big E for everything. He turned on Horus because he refused to admit Horus might lose the war and blamed Horus for losing when Lorgar and bulk of his legion could have stayed and carried the day, esp when Perturabo bailed. At least Cruze paid for his sins with his life, while his brothers paid with their souls for their pacts to Chaos but Lorgar......Lorgar has not begun to pay for all he's done. If the Raven doesn't kill him, Guilliman deserves to end his toxic life. Lorgar long has it coming, and for all the treachery he's wrought, no traitor primarch is more deserving....
Lorgar tried to betray Horus because he foresaw that Horus refusal to truly submit to the gods would cause the assault on terra to fail and oh look he was right
@@NeloBladeOfRanni I would counter that Lorgar's betrayal was a self fulfilling prophesy. Had he remained by Horus, the full might of the Word Bearers legion and fleet (especially those two Furious Abyss class warships) might well have tipped the Siege in the favor of Chaos. Taking the bulk of his forces with him in retreat from Horus, deprived the Chaos forces of a considerable number of assets to throw at the Emperor and his defenders. Considering that Choas WARNED Horus, clearly they didn't see things the way he did. Though one could argue that the Ruinous Power never cared about Horus WINNING the war, only damaging the Imperium beyond all hope of recovery.
Very well done, very well done. powerful and gripping, had to use the bathroom half way through yet couldnt hit pause, had to finish it first 🤐. Look forward to seeing what you have next. epic.
Its funny to me that a bunch of Word Bearers including Gal Vorbak were terrified of Guilliman. If memory serves he was almost killed by a squad of Alpha Legionnaires on Macragge in Unremembered Empire.
An empire laid waste, it's ruins a dedication to abyssal sigilite. 500 worlds drowned in blood, scoured by fire in revenge for fair Monarchia. - Eliphas the Inheritor It is not enough Inheritor! A Thousand Worlds will not repair such hurt, wound is in our souls where no solve can reach. - Achton
The Lawrence OST along with other song pieces of Bloodborne are very fitting for the conniving and vile nature of 17th legion. Thank you Lord Rememberancer, have you thought about doing Souls lore videos or speaking of it in any way?
Guilliman is the quiet guy you know at the office who will take alot of shit. But much like how fiery passion can turn into the hottest of rage, G-mans rage can equal and eclipse that of even Angron or even Sanguinius. And when he does.... well.... the word bearers learned just how mad he could get.
Just simple plot armor (Chaos gods flat out forbid killing Gulliman) and Phaeron's lust for power prevented utter annihilation of the Ultramarines. Also, remember Lorgar was not present, and he himself was forbidden first hand from killing Guilliman, not full Word Bearer's legion was present on Calth.
Also, Graven Star was not wiped out. They rescued the bulk of thier chapter was did the Unspeaking Chapter. You can read what chapters of the Word Bearers were wiped out to the last but it was not Graven Star.
@@ThorGiske Yep, and Erebus made a similar mistake regarding Sanguinius on Calth, although unlike Kor Phaeron, Erebus was at least smart enough to allow his daemon proxies to accost the angry Primarch to ask him whether he has a moment to hear the glories of Chaos as opposed to trying to preach to Sanguinius himself. Is there any case of an Astartes taking on a Primarch and actually _winning_, other than cases of Grey Knights thrashing Angron and Mortarion some millennia after they had been "elevated" to daemon princes of their respective Chaos gods?
A lot of the OG lore of 40K Is based in other works including Dune, I think with that as a basis I assume the way The Emperor sees the future Is similar he catches glimpses, strands see different possible outcomes but has to figure out how to get there, I think he knew about a betrayal but did not know the full details; I think he alienated some of his sons, the less useful, the damaged and the ones unbendingly set in their ways, Lorgar included, but knowing the consequences of faith in the long run would mean in my opinion that would had to know also that Magnus and Horus would turn and I think those were two of the ones he intended to keep on his side. I accept though that the power might be random he could see with absolute clarity something a millennium away but see things through an extreme fog that are much closer in time.
The source notice @ 49:15 is incorrect. Know No Fear is written by Dan Abnett. Probably confused with Betrayer that's written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden and also covers significant events of the Betrayal at Calth and the Shadow Crusade.
As much as Lorgar deserves every bit of torture Corvus can inflict on him...did the emperor seriously think razing Monarchia to the ground wouldn't come back to bite his crusade in the ass? That was a severe overreaction. Severe as in, he could've made the WB legion relocate those citizens while taking apart what they built or face exterminatus AFTER all were made one.
Monarchia is just another step of bad lore written by bad authors. They just wanted to find a way to make Lorgar look less a crybaby, failing majestically and indeed making him look way more a crybaby.
