the more you read them the more obvious they are just meant for people who have the attitude that they want to push miniatures around, any attempt at historical atmosphere is at best tertiary
As I was a fan of the Impetus rules (the 1st edition mostly) I do like Baroque (for ECW) especially the command and control and I do (unlike many it seems!) like the combat resolution. I also like that pike and shot units are one unit and not sleves flitting off willy-nilly. I find it better to play against someone for the first few games as it really helps work through the system. [Do not really like the Covenanter/Montrose lists though]. Other rule sets you may like for Poles/Ottomans would be 'Renatio et Gloriam' (stand alone) (Renaissance version of Mortem et Gloriam - they have options for small games to large games depending on space and figure collection, For King and Parliament has Eastern European (free) special rules and options - you just need to get the King and Parliament rules, and of course 'By Fire and Sword' specifically for this period in 15mm - very nice production values and can see the tutorials on RU-vid.
thanks for the suggestions. I have a copy of the Fire and Sword rules, but in Polish which I cannot yet read. Most of my 15mm collection is from their range
@Corvinuswargaming1444 They did a rewrite and I think a campaign book too. (English) Noble Knight in US sometimes stocks them.Their videos are really good. Too many things to finish otherwise would dive into that!
