Battle of Savo Island 1942: America's Worst Naval Defeat

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This is a remake of one of my oldest videos. It needed much improvement on the animations and audio, and as you can see a lot more information was added as well.
If you came just for the battle, it starts at the 36 minute mark.
Corrections:
at 29:15 mark, it should have read "2353" not "2153". It was a mistake on my part.
at 39:27, I should have said "5.5 inch shell" not "6 inch shell".
If you are feeling nostalgic and want to see the old video, here it is unlisted. However beware of the Audio!! it's quite bad. • Battle of Savo Island ...
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Map terrain data obtained by Maptiler. "© MapTiler © OpenStreetMap contributors"
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Cox, J. (2018). Morning Star, Midnight Sun: The Early Guadalcanal-Solomons Campaign of World War II August-October 1942 (Illustrated ed.). Osprey Publishing.
Hornfischer, J. (2021). Neptunes Inferno by Hornfischer, James D. [Hardcover]. Bamtan,2011.
Loxton, B., & Coultard-Clark, C. (1997). The Shame of Savo. Amsterdam University Press.
Newcomb, R. F. (2002). The Battle of Savo Island: The Harrowing Account of the Disastrous Night Battle Off Guadalcanal that Nearly Destroyed the Pacific Fleet in August 1942 (1st ed.). Holt Paperbacks.
Prados, J. (2021). Islands of Destiny: The Solomons Campaign and the Eclipse of the Rising Sun by John Prados (2013-10-01). NAL.
Stille, M., & Gerrard, H. (2013). The naval battles for Guadalcanal 1942: Clash for supremacy in the Pacific (Campaign) (First Edition). Osprey Publishing.
Stille, M., & Laurier, J. (2019). Guadalcanal 1942-43: Japan’s bid to knock out Henderson Field and the Cactus Air Force (Air Campaign) (Illustrated ed.). Osprey Publishing.
Tagaya, O., & Styling, M. (2001). Mitsubishi Type 1 Rikko “Betty” Units of World War 2 (Osprey Combat Aircraft 22) (1st ed.). Osprey Publishing.
U.S. Department of Defense. (2020). Solomon Islands Campaign (II): The Battle of Savo Island : World War II Combat Narratives. U.S. Department of Defense.
(2021). The battle of Savo Island, August 9, 1942 : strategical and tactical analysis 1950 [Hardcover]. Isha Books.

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@DaoBao13 3 года назад

18:40 the Betty flying extremely low on the left was piloted by Lt Jun Takahashi. He entered the Guinness World Records in 2014 for being the oldest active commercial pilot alive and he's still alive.

@EFCasual 3 года назад

So he would have been 18 to 20 at the time. Must be quite the guy.

@BiggestCorvid 3 года назад

Holy hell that pilot made it back?

@sethbromley7186 3 года назад

@@BiggestCorvid He says he flew below deck level so that the ships couldn't train their guns on him. Legend. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8ccVCAlolbA.html

@steviedfromtheflyovercount4739 3 года назад

Brave man.

@RCAvhstape 3 года назад

I love it when the people in these old photos get recognized.

@baptistebauer99 7 месяцев назад

Imagine being in Mikawa's position. He obliterated 4 ennemy ships, coming from accross the biggest ocean in the world, made a plan that was accepted and went through with it brilliantly, he won a battle by the biggest margin up to date and the biggest that will be during the Guadalcanal campaing, and some dudes were like "why didn't you kill the transports too" when the army told him not to worry about it. And he had wrong intelligence from a previous battle the same day. Give the man a break, he did outsandingly well.

@carlflaherty2215 Месяц назад

Add to this, he correctly understood that his ships would be expensive and difficult to replace. I wouldn't have been willing to risk them lightly, either.

@C-Farsene_5 15 дней назад

Plus, he couldn’t have known that the Carriers were too far away to pepper him back, if I were him I’d rather not press my luck, besides over achieving can have some serious consequences, the IJA and IJN hated each other did stuff like deprive the other of supplies and assassinations

@DezzRodriguez9 Год назад

Am I the only one that would watch a full series of WW2 videos made with this level of detail? Amazing work - please keep making these!

@radioactivgrunt1595 Год назад

YESSS OMG I was sad to see that there’s so little but based on his upload times it seems he’d rather take his time producing quality content rather than more video which I respect

@fakecubed Год назад

Really hoping we're getting an epic multi-part Leyte Gulf series. Any year now...

@sean270wn3 Год назад

History channel should hire him

@everettgraca4296 Год назад

Yes please

@nogoodnameleft Год назад

@@fakecubed The Battle of Leyte Gulf was crazy. I wish someone would do a long form video of the whole 6 month Naval Battles of Guadalcanal. The Battle of Savo Island was merely the first Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. The two night surface battles in November 1942 were not at all "The Naval Battles of Guadalcanal". At Guadalcanal there were the Eastern Solomons Air Battle, Battle of Santa Cruz, the sinking of the USS Wasp fleet carrier, and many other naval battles. Guadalcanal was frankly a disaster for the U.S. Navy: 30+ sunken USN warships and 5,500 dead USN sailors!!! Guadalcanal was why the Central Pacific sailors did nothing at all from February 1943 to November 1943. Halsey served in the Solomons but he reported to MacArthur in SWPA, not Nimitz. Nimitz' men did nothing for about 9 months in 1943 due to Guadalcanal. Guadalcanal prolonged the war and that hardship at Guadalcanal was thanks to no battleships being available due to Pearl Harbor and there was only the USS Washington available at Guadalcanal. And I read that the USN hid the U.S. death toll from Guadalcanal and Okinawa for decades afterwards. It is why in old histories made by USN historians they kept talking about only wounded and survivor stats but never KIA and MIA.

@encycl07pedia- Год назад

Mikawa absolutely made the right call based on the information he had. The Allied forces were absolutely devastated thanks to terrible decisions and worse communication.

@Tele999zzz Год назад

I would have sent a couple of ships to hammer the transports

@theEWDSDS Год назад

@@Tele999zzz did you even watch the video?

@Tele999zzz Год назад

@@theEWDSDS Yes, did you??

@nahuelleandroarroyo Год назад

@@Tele999zzz you forget the transports had destroyers to screen for subs. Element of surprise was no longer available amd if carriers were in range he could have lost at leasylt one heavy cruiser

@Soap.-- Год назад

@@nahuelleandroarroyo true but personally i would still attack, even considering the information he had

@BiggestCorvid 3 года назад

54:25 "He didn't possess a crystal ball." Mikawa didn't even possess navigation charts anymore. He had received so many lucky breaks, he was smart to act based upon what the enemy could do.

@MrTalkingCorn 3 года назад

Yeah its the common saying don't press your luck

@zes7215 3 года назад

wrg, no such thing as could or would or good or not about it, cepux, think, do, can think, do any nmw and any s perfect, nothing smart or right or not about it

@NeostormXLMAX 2 года назад

He could have still did it sacrificing his fleet to destroy the transports, it would have been more worth it even if all his ships died

@jki808 2 года назад

@@NeostormXLMAX we all know that, that’s not the point. Obviously the right decision would’ve been to attack, but the question is to give him a break given his conditions and scenario and we should. As long as it’s known that at the end of the day, he still missed his opportunity.

@herptek Год назад

@@NeostormXLMAX To many people such an attack would probably have looked like a suicide mission from the point on when the Japanese fleet was compromised to aerial reconnaissance. Pushing on nevertheless might have been considered a sign of foolhardy personal character but the decision to not go after the transports could be used to argue otherwise. What this kind of victory took was unquestionably, along with luck, audacity. One has to wonder how much simple gut instinct has to do with the decision makers in commanding positions during conflict and how much of it follows simply reason.

@VictorJD 3 года назад

If Mikawa had returned for the transports, we would get a second round of "he made a decision based on what the enemy would do instead of what they could do". Even if he thought the carriers would likely withdraw, to stick to the maxim, he should assume they were in play and that his ships would be at serious risk by returning.

@wojtek4p4 3 года назад

It would be interesting to point out what Mikawa likely thought would've happen, had he attacked the transports. On the one hand, he would've sank multiple unloaded transport ships. Which US would've rebuilt in a few weeks. All that, to help the IJA win their own fight. On the other hand, the attack was likely to cost IJN multiple heavy cruisers, which Japan could not replace.

@sethbromley7186 3 года назад

But the point remains that even if the carriers were in play, it was still the right move to sink the transports. The writer cited in the video is right: It would have been worth losing the cruisers to hamstring the invasion. Otherwise, what is the point of the attack? What is the point of a fleet in the first place? The mission of the Allied surface warships was to protect the transports -- in effect they accomplished their mission even though they were sunk. Mikawa's withdrawal was an understandable mistake, but still was a mistake.

@AudieHolland 3 года назад

@@sethbromley7186 You forget that both Japan and Germany made the mistake of taking on an opponent far bigger than themselves. Both Germany and Japan had planned a lightning war of a few months tops, then dictate peace at their humbled and weakened opponents. Their offensives failed to achieve their goals: ending the war *before christmas*

@57thorns 3 года назад

@@sethbromley7186 The allied fleet could afford to lose those warships, even if they were not quite as expendable as the transports, the allied still had a huge production capacity. They could not afford to lose the supplies on those ships there and then. And now for some wild speculation: In my opinion Japan had lost the war even before they attacked Pearl Harbor. The Soviets and/or the Chinese would have invaded once Germany was defeated, turning East Asia into another Eastern Europe for the duration of the Cold War, a cold war without the Tiger economies of Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, and Taiwan fueling Western economies, because Red China would control those countries with no threat from American bases in Japan. Most likely the whole of Germany would have been part of the Eastern Bloc, and the history of Finland might have been very different as well.

@VictorJD 3 года назад

@@sethbromley7186 I guess the maxim applies to allies as well. He made a decision based on what the IJA would do (take care of the landing force) instead of what they could do (fail) lol. Tough call.

@robertrexroad835 Год назад

80 years ago tonight. My grandfather Robert Owen Rexroad served aboard the USS Vincennes and lucky for my sake survived! Every year I would call him on the night of August 8 to make sure he stayed dry that night. I miss him terribly.

@josephreed5155 9 месяцев назад

We must never forget those who defend us.

@tylerzidron1367 6 месяцев назад

Woah❤️😳 assuming by your tone and words you lost him but his services to our country deserve the highest commendation. Stay strong grief gets easier

@Xenogears76 6 месяцев назад

My grandfather also survived this battle. He called it the "battle of iron bottom sound" and the fight was so confused and fierce, that he could see the hulls of ships glowing red due to the ferocity of ammo hitting the ships. I too dearly miss my grandpa❤.

@paulliu5176 4 месяца назад

What a lucky man!

@iinglis89 4 месяца назад

Way to use someone elses achievements for your own need of attention.

@jameschenard1386 Год назад

I’m in awe at the effort put into this. I’ve been an avid naval history hobbyist for 43 years and read/listened/viewed a dozen accounts of the battle and the events leading up to it. This was so clear and detailed yet concise and entertaining. I haven’t seen all these details in one place and molded together so seamlessly while being delivered so effectively. I could have heard this back when I was first starting out and it wouldn’t have been overwhelming. So well done. The care and passion for the topic come through. “If you made it this far…”. There was no way I wasn’t going to catch every second and every second was a grim, solemn joy.

@Austin.Kilgore Год назад

You should check out his other videos too if you haven’t yet! One going over the attack on Pearl Harbor and then there’s a 3 part series going over the battle of midway! They’re extremely good, entertaining and informative

@jameschenard1386 Год назад

@@Austin.Kilgore Thank you, I did and you’re right! Amazing stuff!

@Opesp_lifestyle 8 месяцев назад

Hello good evening, could you help me start studying the Second World War? Where do I start?

@ckhpersonal670 5 месяцев назад

@@Opesp_lifestyle youtube and wikipedia

@Nerdykearns 3 года назад

This dude is the definition of quality over quantity

@Nothing-ws6yd 3 года назад

Yup

@Acelnorst 3 года назад

I would still very much would like more quantity :(

@miamijules2149 3 года назад

Dude he killed it! KILLED IT DEADER THAN A HAMMER

@atillar3321 3 года назад

probably he follows German rule lol

@berkkarsi 3 года назад

A blessing from the lord

@jhk8396 3 года назад

*_And so, Montemayor begins his long and arduous siege against the history of Guadalcanal._*

@sfs2040 3 года назад

Drachinifel would be proud

@adamtruong1759 3 года назад

I would definitely hope so, and then follow it up with the New Georgia and Bougainville campaigns.

@greghanson3495 3 года назад

Ummm...just the guy who made the video!

@adamtruong1759 3 года назад

@@greghanson3495 I assume Ben is joking, then again they might be genuine.

@davidfink9454 Год назад

When I met my wife's uncle in 1959 he never talked about the battles he fought in in World War II but as I was a World War history buff, I researched some of the battles both on land and at sea. I learned about her uncle being on two ships that were sunk in the Pacific and one day while I was a book store I picked up a magazine with an article in it about the battle of Savo Island and it had some pictures of the battle and one picture of the search lights from a Japaneese ship. So I invited her uncle to go with me to the book store so I could show him the magazine. After he looked at the article and the pictures I asked him to tell my about his experience on the Astoria. He told me that after Pearl Harbor, he joined the navy and was sent to Pearl Harbor where he was assigned duty on the Astoria. He told me that his Gereral Quarters was in fire control which I thought it was about putting out fires but told me it was controlling the firing of the big guns. He told me that on the night of the battle he had just gotten off watch and heard the hits being made on the ship from the Japaneese ships. He said after general quarters was announced he finally made it to his station and saw body parts from a few of the men after some hits from the Japaneese and he looked at me and I saw tears in his eyes and he tried to tell me about what happend and he started crying and he shut up and told me that he didn't want to talk about anymore. I felt so ashamed that I asked him to tell me about the battle and I never asked him about it again. After he passed away a few years later, his daughter was dating a man that was stationed at Scott Air Force Base nearby and he made up a glass case with some of the awards from the U S Navy and he was represented by the military by pallbearers and they played taps at his burial and I was proud to be there and to just know him.

@stephenandreason7210 Год назад

We owe a debt of gratitude, respect, honor and dignity for those who lived, served, suffered during the Second World War.

@joshuarussell3414 Год назад

@@stephenandreason7210 What about a debt to their trauma, and their health and health care ? - the need of which was caused by these battles.

@neutralevil1917 Год назад

Sad story, poor man. My great grandad has made it all the way from Stalingrad to Vienna on his feet, killed several dozens of enemy soldiers with his gun and a couple with his bayonet, returned home in 1945, joined NKVD and then went to Western Ukraine to fight Nazi collaborators in the wilderness, killing a few more enemies in process. He never felt bad about that and used to tell the stories about war all the time up untill his death in the 80's

@rogerhinman5427 Год назад

I had an uncle who was a shipmate of your wife's uncle. He also somehow survived the Astoria's sinking and had all the hair burned off his body . He passed away in 1999 and I don't think he ever talked about it at all to any family member.

@Seltkirk-ABC Год назад

My grandfather's uncle's brother from another mother didn't really ever speak of what he saw when he was down there. . . .

@samuelhuber6885 2 года назад

When I was about 12 years old I idolized Admiral Nimitz and I developed a monomania for the war in the Pacific. I made regular trips to the secondhand bookshop to buy true combat paperbacks covering all the major battles. I hung a huge map of the Pacific on my wall and marked the movements and actions of each side. I built plastic models of every ship and plane from the era that I could find at Kmart. Now, 40 years later, watching your videos not only makes me super nostalgic for those days, but I find I'm developing a deeper understanding even than I had back then. I've watched all of your videos. Great job!

@craigwilcox4403 Год назад

As the son of a Naval Officer, I too was fascinated by naval actions in the Pacific. Spent a couple years in the Philippines, mid-1950's, where there was still plenty of damage from the war - we would dig up both live and expended ammo all over the Bataan Peninsula and other places. A good friend of Dad's was a young officer on Astoria, and told me about the battle, and the trauma of his ship being sunk. But this rather short video makes that whole battle come clear and precise, with all the warts exposed. I am hoping that Montemayor can do the same for other naval actions in the Pacific. I do plan to watch his Coral Sea next.

@TuberOnTheLoose Год назад

I am the son of a career Navy man and was born in Honolulu as a result. I too have been a lifelong student of the war in the Pacific and built all the ship and plane models I could get during my childhood. As an added bonus, I lived in Hawaii in a Navy housing area called Halsey Terrace while the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" was being filmed. These videos by Montemayor are simply amazing.

@taufiqutomo 3 года назад

Indy Neidell: We'll get to the Battle of Savo Island in a few weeks Montemayor: Challenge accepted

@filipzietek5146 3 года назад

Indy Neidell is pretty bad when it comes to naval stuff

@taufiqutomo 3 года назад

@@filipzietek5146 10-part Pearl Harbour minute-by-minute: am i a joke to you?

@GoSlash27 3 года назад

@@taufiqutomo But the glaring errors and omissions in their Midway specials were telling. World War 2 has excellent production value and are awesome storytellers, but when it comes to factual accuracy and research... they're rank amateurs compared to Montemayor.

@DizzleOfficial 3 года назад

@@GoSlash27 yh you're right but I think they are trying to be a bit more simple than this guy, Indy does kinda summaries of events rather than in detail analysis. That Midway special was very underwhelming though

@HMASbogan 3 года назад

@@filipzietek5146 in his specials yeah but in the grand scheme of his series he has to gloss over and summarise then as other recent had happened this week and he needs to add it into a smaller video length

@tealefti 3 года назад

"Two months later, we will see how Americans had surprise on their side..." Is that a promise of a video on Cape Esperance in two months?

@MontemayorChannel 3 года назад

correct, After Eastern Solomons of course. ;)

@John-rj3cp 3 года назад

@@MontemayorChannel alright we will see you in a year

@jeffreyestahl 3 года назад

Be nice - he's still studying.

@calvinlee1813 3 года назад

@@MontemayorChannel Admiral Norman Scott is one of my Heroes.

@Pekkhum 3 года назад

@@John-rj3cp Whether his videos take 2 months, a year, or more, they are worth it! The only thing I have ever regretted about finding this channel is that he isn't fully funded to make these full time.

@slimeydon 2 года назад

Based on what Mikawa knew, he made the right decision. He had actually accomplished his mission in that the transports withdrew shortly after the battle.

@SenorTucano Год назад

Wrong. His mission was to DESTROY the transports, not CLEAR Savo Sound.

@gandydancer9710 Год назад

@@leong108 The podcast omits to mention this, but the materiel transports had NOT been emptied. They were withdrawn WITHOUT being emptied. And sinking the remaining transport fleet would have eliminated all those ships and crews and materiel from the war, which would have been far from insignificant. Which is not to say that Mikawa was wrong in theory to withdraw. He had to fear not only the carriers' but the airfield's planes.

@notinterested8397 Год назад

The idea of the Guadalcanal invasion was to size the airfield before it was operational. Therefore, there were no allied planes to fear at the airfield.

@Shoelessjoe78 8 месяцев назад

@@gandydancer9710the Marines still would have held. They broke Japanese resistance before they needed the supplies thanks to outdated tactics and poorly supplied Japanese troops. It was overkill like most of the war. The minute Japan attacked it lost.

@JayGarrickFlash Год назад

Dude you need to keep uploading. Your videos are some of the most informative, captivating, and well put together videos on the subject I have ever seen. If you keep putting out quality videos like this, I'm sure you will continue to be successful! Great work!

@aquaticaquariums6979 Год назад

I think he gave up on youtube

@robertmchugh4639 Год назад

Yes, I agree.

@hongphuc4478 Год назад

No, he don’t

@aquaticaquariums6979 Год назад

@@hongphuc4478 thank God, watched his video earlier today

@Johno1992 Год назад

If your looking to scratch the inch I'd check out the operations room on here there videos are the same style as this

@DaoBao13 3 года назад

when the world needed him most, he returned

@lucatauca7488 3 года назад

So true

@DOSFS 3 года назад

Legend return!

@franciscomm7675 3 года назад

Indeed

@blackprofile2927 3 года назад

So True

@kumisz2 3 года назад

I love how you portray the hard choices the commanders have to face and present the pros and cons of their options.

@JWTan84 3 года назад

and that pause..

@Yrkr785 2 года назад

He absolutely made the right choice, the loss of the fleet would've ensured Japanese defeat

@retirednavy8720 Год назад

I spent a little over 25 years in the USN. You videos are very informative in regards to naval warfare. Most people have no clue how epic in scale some naval battles have been. Well Done!

@chrisparkes Год назад

I know everyone comments on the animation and while they are SO clear, it’s your NARRATION I love. Your voice is so expressive and beguiling. Thank you so much for your hard work, these are some of my favourite history lessons anywhere.

@crazyt1ger08 3 года назад

One extra note: FDR was so taken by the loss of HMAS Canberra in this battle the next Baltimore-class Heavy Cruiser to be commissioned that was to be named USS Pittsburgh was in fact named USS Canberra to honour this brave Australian ship and its men, something that was never done before or since, naming an American warship after a foreign capital city. The Australian Government returned this tribute by naming a new Tribal-class destroyer, HMAS Bataan, in honor of the US stand during the Battle of Bataan.

@gregparrott 3 года назад

Interesting bit of history there...Thanks! P.S. This was characterized as an all American loss when in fact other nations also suffered ship losses. Was the Canbera the only non American ship?

@crazyt1ger08 3 года назад

@@gregparrott In this battle, yes....the HMAS Canberra was the only other non US ship lost on the allied side. The HMAS Australia was the flag ship in this operation but was withdrawn before the battle started for some reason. The US was a little funny with the Royal Navy and wasn't inclined to do joint operations with them but in the case of the Royal Australian Navy they often did joint operations, in fact in the Battle of Sunda Strait the HMAS Perth and USS Houston both fought a very brave engagement and both ships were lost. www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/perth/loss

@gregparrott 3 года назад

@@crazyt1ger08 Many thanks for the detailed and documented reply

@ShawnMM 3 года назад

A new USS Canberra (LCS 30) has been christen. www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2646551/navy-to-christen-littoral-combat-ship-canberra/

@chainsawblue3639 3 года назад

I’ve studied FDR quite a bit for years now, I have tremendous respect for him. As an Australian, this only increases my appreciation of him more so. Thanks for the info!

@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 3 года назад

"In order to lighten the weight, they got rid of their lifeboats." Bugger me.

@dragoonTT 3 года назад

Dangerous men, when they already have accepted death or victory.

@dougdrvr 3 года назад

If the Jarvis radio was inoperative and no one survived, how would anyone know about that?

@ryanlee4537 3 года назад

@@dougdrvr usually there are logs for expected arrivals and also for departures at ports. The base in Australia that the Jarvis was supposed to head to likely saw it was overdue and since it never came in, something happened to it...plus there are also Japanese records and accounts of the bombing of the Jarvis, so one could put two and two together

@dougdrvr 3 года назад

@@ryanlee4537 I was referring to the part about ditching the lifeboats for weight.

@scottyfox6376 3 года назад

Shoes weigh a bit could've ditched them too.👞😀

@lelievre12 Год назад

The attention to the fine detail of the scout plane sighting reports explains the situation perfectly. In a way also Fletcher's departure with his carriers and air cover can be seen as the first domino that caused Crutchley to be absent from his command. He was instead in conference with Truner dealing with the lack of cover.

@franklarizza7683 5 месяцев назад

Fletcher s Carriers could not do much, carrier planes didn't fly at night in this stage of the war.

@MikePasqqsaPekiM 2 года назад

This was absolutely amazing quality! Sobering tale, and I can’t imagine having been one of those American sailors waking up to the battle, but thank you for all the attention to detail.

@Dustz92 3 года назад

15:00 Nagumo: Is it possible to learn this power?

@MontemayorChannel 3 года назад

haha! You're right, if only Nagumo had thought like this at midway. Great insight Nano.

@danishkfd 3 года назад

Nagumo was actually very old and was a surface fleet leader. Giving him carriers was bad and should have been led by yamamoto. But for us it's good

@blackprofile2927 3 года назад

@-Wreckanize- 3 года назад

Battle of Savo Island: The most extreme example of "not my problem"

@refuge42 3 года назад

It is a fascinating study in Murphy's law and especially the effect of miscommunication and non-communication.

@hatterstadia6258 3 года назад

pouring-oil-in-the-sink.jpg

@billnixon8320 3 года назад

You definitely possess clarity of vision...

@Warmaker01 3 года назад

Swiss Cheese model leading into mishaps went into effect here. The American forces were very powerful and should have easily crushed Mikawa's sortie before even getting to Guadalcanal. Lots of mistakes leading into harsh losses, but the Americans would learn from this.

@MPlain 3 года назад

The epic list of how in the hell is just nuts. To think that any military is capable of accomplishing all of this cluster fck at the same time is just wow. And getting away with it. I'm not sure who was luckier here. The japaneese for pulling it off....or the americans for not getting completely creamed.

@markmartin9776 Год назад

The merging of fact and speculation with video animation is AWESOME! Great job and please know you are helping a new generation understand just how difficult the decisions and operations of WWII were on those who waged them. Bravo Montemayor, BRAVO!

@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221 Год назад

I love how these videos manage to immerse yourself so well that you actually begin to feel bad when Japan loses an asset or two, not just for the Americans, and you get to experience what the commanders felt when something happened.

@MagicalBacon 3 года назад

This is a channel that is quality over quantity. And I’m not complaining, can’t wait to watch!

@offlimit7738 3 года назад

More quantity cant hurt either ...

@alliinase9076 3 года назад

@@offlimit7738 An immense amount of time and work is necessary to ensure a video is of this high quality. If video production takes more time, videos will be released at a slower rate. This is how a trade-off works.

@Schmidty1 3 года назад

@@alliinase9076 it doesn't take 10 months to make something like this. It takes along time as it is detailed and high quality but he clearly has other priorities in life which is totally fine. People have jobs and other issues besides yt. You can't claim this level of quality takes 10 months to do if it was your job though.

@duelios. 3 года назад

Please note, he wasn’t working on this project 24/7. He could’ve came up with this let’s say, 2 month’s ago? Also, it takes a bunch of editing, research, and mess ups, to perfect a video. And this is 63 minutes long!

@cashewsinc.5647 3 года назад

@@Schmidty1 Go do it yourself then

@stevedietrich8936 2 года назад

I binged and watched the attack on Pearl, the Coral Sea, the Midway series, and now Savo. What a great job you did with all of these. I applaud you for the effort you put into your videos.

@paulzeman7684 2 года назад

I agree. His productions are aces.

@mynamedoesntmatter8652 2 года назад

@Steve Dietrich That’s a fine piece of binging you did. I applaud you for it. A kindred spirit indeed.

@digablesoul 2 года назад

Doing the same!

@KrissyFace 2 года назад

I just happened across one of the Midway ones…3 hours later I’ve watched all the ones you mentioned! Compelling!! Love the maps and analysis with historic photos here and there!!!

@jmthekid2399 2 года назад

Seems as tho I am not alone in binging his videos. They are all so good. I am very much looking forward to his coming videos.

@charleskupfer9920 2 года назад

Wow, this is just as good as your documentary on Midway! You're a real pro. A true documentarian and historian. Thanks for your great work.

@musclesmouse Год назад

Your material is so detailed. This remastering makes it so much clearer why the groups were so ill prepared and not just incompetent.

@mightychicken7774 3 года назад

As a history professor I must say that this is truly great. Although some parts are speculative (mostly due some reports being lost over the past 80 years from Japan - that or having been destroyed), over all you did a fantastic job. Your history here is sound, and the visual of the battle plan is very well put together. It is encouraging for me to see the younger generations embracing specific moments like these and understanding the importance of those moments. I look forward to more of your work! Keep it up!

@chickenwings273 3 года назад

this is very wholesome thank you professor for leaving a remark. Im a part of the younger generations and many more of us like to watch history videos

@refuge42 3 года назад

This was very interesting and well done. The abandonment of the Marines at Guadalcanal is known about the story behind the story really brings to light a piece of History that has sunk into the past, a lot like the Tulsa race riots in 1921 where 300 black people were murdered, and no one was held accountable. A similar story that I did not know about was the near sinking of the USS Franklin and it's commanders shameful behavior to the men under his charge. Including his creation of the 704 club. What amazes me about these navel histories is how quickly things can go from high and mighty success to abject failure. Midway is a good example, attacks and failure to sink the Japanese aircraft carriers and that all changed and some 15 minutes or less.

@docboy989 3 года назад

@@drcornelius8275 get a life

@mightychicken7774 3 года назад

@@drcornelius8275 A non-bigoted one. Can you say the same?

@polendri4812 3 года назад

@@drcornelius8275 Do we really need to turn a WW2 naval battle discussion into a pity party about how persecuted you feel as a [presumed] white male?

@PaiSAMSEN 3 года назад

That 1025 sighting got to be the message that took the longest detour in history of warfare.

@MontemayorChannel 3 года назад

exactly! It's what prompted to spend a considerable amount of time discussing it.

@chrissosa3723 Год назад

My guy, I cannot fully express how amazing your videos are, I watched the whole thing in what felt like 10-15 minutes, the level of effort put into these videos is nothing short of praise-worthy

@bitemenow609 Год назад

I knew a Sailor on a cargo ship at anchor that night. Don Miller. He said at the time that everyone assumed that the 2 groups of allied ships had mistakenly started firing on each other. And that is what he thought even after the war. His ship, the Alhena ( spelling?) left the area the next day. But most if not all thought it was a total mistake and no Japanese ships were even there.

@robsan52 3 года назад

I've never read about Mikawa's decision in this light and it makes complete sense. Usually he's just beat on as a 'weak' Commander or that his judgement abilities are questioned. He did the right thing in light of the info he had.

@papachi4178 3 года назад

Exactly. People always do this in hindsight. "These ships cannot be replaced easily" would weigh heavily in the mind of the admiral.

@psychohist 3 года назад

He did the right thing from the force balance standpoint. From the standpoint of holding territory, not so much. Perhaps the Japanese also had an army/navy gap.

@exmonarcagoodbye3296 3 года назад

And he was so lucky till that time. He knows he can run out of luck.

@peterw9006 3 года назад

As Montemayor puts it: "Do not base your plan of actions on what the enemy would do. Base your actions on what the enemy could do." And the carriers could certainly have stayed.

@tomas-iv5ss 3 года назад

@uladzimirdarozka3882 2 года назад

I absolutely love to have these "ask the viewer what-would-you-do"' pauses in Montemayor videos. That really places one into commander's shoes. I didn't know Fletcher decided to withdraw, and given all the pro's and contra's, I as Mikawa said - right, we should withdraw now, the carriers could come to help any moment, and my ships are precious.

@jasonx1174 2 года назад

Those moments in his videos I love a lot as well. It makes you think about what he had been explaining throughout the video and is great at getting you to think on these battles more.

@brentfarvors192 2 года назад

I rightfully chose ATTACK; He squandered one of the best successful offensive attacks in naval history. Carriers or not, it was worth the risk to kick the US off the island that would come to wreak absolute destruction on the Japanese main land. Unfortunately, the Japanese knew nothing of American Football...This would be like taking Tom Brady out of the game after scoring 1 touch down...Brady doesn't leave the game until there is no statistical chance of the other team rallying...

@dmeyerbcp 2 года назад

@@brentfarvors192 good point, but I don't think the analogy is fair. With the information he had, he would have certainly lost his ships which couldn't be replaced. The transports ended up leaving anyway the next day. The 1700 marines would have still been there. So it's more like Brady can stay in a game he already won, or continue even though he'll certainly damage his throwing shoulder for the season in 4 more snaps.

@brentfarvors192 2 года назад

@@dmeyerbcp Hence, the main factor in Japan's defeat; Restricted communication. He was expected to go to war without any intelligence of who, and what he was up against. With proper intelligence passed down, would realize he had nothing to lose, since US reinforcements were but a month or two away from the Pacific fleet...They were told that the only way to win was to force a quick surrender, but, weren't told the reason(s), WHY...Where as for the US Fleet, they were ALL aware the only way to force a surrender, was for the Japanese to sink the Big-E...nterprise...

@An0niem4 2 года назад

I think, even without knowing what we know today, I would go for the transports. Fortuna audaces iuvat as my words. My reasons: 1. The value of the transports cannot be overstated against an enemy who has to import almost everything from the other side of the ocean. 2. A fight against planes, however dangerous, does not mean certain death. Are the odds really so bad that you would not want to risk them at any cost? 3. I'm used to working in an organization where rivalry is highly discouraged and taking responsibility outside your normal scope is encouraged. So instead of just letting the army clean up the mess, I would do everything in my power to help them out. 4. Mikawa must have been surprised by some of the actions (or lack thereof) while conducing this operation. After this, I would not make the assumption of the the enemy following ANY doctrine. Okay, maybe this point is influenced by me knowing more about US military engagements from the past century than a Japanese officer would. I would probably do something even more risky: Given the fact that every heavy ship i have seen today has been sunk and it is unlikely the enemy commander will be doing anything but damage control and retreating whatever he can, it is unlikely to encounter anything that can reasonably challenge even half of my fleet. So I could avoid te hassle of regrouping, tell the planes to light up both the transports and set both halves on the closest. I would go with the Aoba, Chokai, Kako and Kinugasa to turn around as quickly as possible to mop up the northern transports while setting the others on a (sharper) course south of Savo with instructions to open fire quickly and catch up around 5:30. Without assembling, sailing around Savo would take this smaller force maybe 1,5 hours, starting the attack around 4, giving them at least half an hour of turkey shooting on the transports. Meanwhile, my other force would leisurely massacre the transports at Florida island and we would be in the Slot by dawn. Or slip between the islands and exit straight to the North. That would mean more time for the enemy to find me, and to cobble together an attack.

@nowhereknowhow3348 2 года назад

Great job, you have produced likely the greatest history video on RU-vid. Congratulations on your great success, much appreciation from myself!

@sgtsecluded8311 2 года назад

Amazing video. I honestly just can't say anything more than thank you for giving visual learners such a high quality way to take in these stories.

@Maria_Erias 2 года назад

One thing that I don't think was brought up later: Mikawa also had that (erroneous) report from the previous' day's air attack, claiming a large number of Allied ships sunk and damaged. When he arrived at the Savo Sound and only found a handful of Allied cruisers with destroyer support split to cover the transports, the thought that there could be an even larger (unknown) force out there which was tending to the "damaged ships" from that report would have been large in his mind, possibly reinforced if his spotters caught sight of the eastern group. I think it's safe to assume that he didn't know he had effectively destroyed the entire cover of the transports, and so him withdrawing makes absolutely perfect sense - especially considering the fact that, given that report from the previous day's air attack, he could assume that there was a good number more ships in the area than there actually was. If a report had gone out from either of northern or southern cruiser groups that he had missed, if he had turned back to go for the transports, he could assume he would be facing a prepared and possibly equivalent or even superior force. Given how valuable his ships were and how irreplaceable they were, yeah. He made the right call.

@bernardcheewanwong2510 3 года назад

love the sound when he said angrily when talking about the 8 hours old report bit

@essenceofsuchness 3 года назад

But the times shown in the video make it to be 6 hours: 1242 to 1845 Should it have said 1042 instead?

@sangay9361 3 года назад

@@essenceofsuchness the sighting was at 10:24 but the pilot made it to base at 12:45. The report was over 8 hours old instead of just being over two hours old

@essenceofsuchness 3 года назад

@@sangay9361 Ah yes of course, thanks for that. I was too focussed on what was shown on screen at 26:05

@gjbaker1 4 месяца назад

These videos are extremely well done and highly educational. As a former US Naval officer and military history enthusiast, I find these videos to be invaluable in grasping the actions of battle and strategy in this method of maps, timelines, and events. You are to be highly commended for your work! Well done, sir!

@emerkamp1 Год назад

Looked this up for a refresher and this video came up first as the first result. Although it's over a year old, I see why it's first. This guy gave the most clear, concise, detailed account I've seen in a while. I did notice a couple little things left out, still this has to be one of the best. Thank you...See what else he's got

@Bokoen1 3 года назад

Why did I not get a notification for this... The god of naval battles has returned.

@jucamuja3622 3 года назад

bokoen how are you so godd at naval battles at hoi 4, im suffering even with increase aircraft carriers force.

@friedrich9987 3 года назад

BO???

@lavendar1358 3 года назад

lmao bo watches this channel?

@Welkon1 3 года назад

Who DOESN'T watch this channel?

@scrabber9736 3 года назад

yes

@Skiskiski 3 года назад

Quote: "Admiral Turner assessed why his forces were so soundly defeated in the battle: "The Navy was still obsessed with a strong feeling of technical and mental superiority over the enemy. In spite of ample evidence as to enemy capabilities, most of our officers and men despised the enemy and felt themselves sure victors in all encounters under any circumstances. The net result of all this was a fatal lethargy of mind which induced a confidence without readiness, and a routine acceptance of outworn peacetime standards of conduct. I believe that this psychological factor, as a cause of our defeat, was even more important than the element of surprise".[1]:123" source: Wikipedia, Battle of Savo Island

@donlove3741 3 года назад

As the Japanese had the same feelings toward the allies..

@jimgrizzly2357 3 года назад

Hey Hey Hey Hey,Hey Stupid!

@robwalsh9843 3 года назад

In any conflict, underestimating your enemy is one of the worst things you can do.

@reisen1932 3 года назад

Remember the Force Z? Talking thrash about the Japanese do not think straight, cannot fly a plane and how bad they are, after an hour they were raided by Japanese bombers and the Repulse and Prince of Wales went to the bottom of the sea. The Allies underestimated the Japanese quite ridiculously :D.

@celticman1909 3 года назад

Mark Felton has a great video out on this subject. Underestimate an enemy based on ethnic prejudice at your own peril.

@user-jf6uy4uv3s 2 года назад

you're doing great man. your videos are so helpful! i hope you to continue making videos like this. its very interesting and an hour feels like a second

@jazzfluence 2 года назад

These are fantastically produced. Currently going through additional military training and I appreciate having these on while I study mission command. Great job and thank you!

@cryhavoc999 3 года назад

Absolutely Brilliant - yet again a masterful bit of work. Mikowa acted correctly given what he knew. In Fletchers defence on his withdrawal of the carrier - he had lost a number of his fighters through accidents (he had many green pilots) and losses sustained defending the landings and his aviation fuel levels were low so had taken the opportunity to withdraw to replenish from oilers. Again had he been told a force was coming down the slot in a timely fashion he may very well have not withdrawn.

@vlad78th 3 года назад

Yet given what we know, it was a big mistake. Mikawa's dilemma illustrates how poorly preapared the japanese navy and army were to wage war against the united states. Their only and really slim chance to win was to strike as hard and fast as possible, to win big asap or lose everything. Only yamamoto understood that and it explains the gambles he had been willing to make at Pearl Harbour and Midway. The kind of war Japan had been foolish enough to initiate required to use risk it all strategies again and again while gambling all they had and even then they would only have obtained a chance to a fair fight. Each time the japanese deviated the slightest from the 2 principles of concentration of forces (while they still had the numbers on their side) and willingness to risk it all, it ended in disaster. Yamamoto should never have accepted to divide his carrier fleet before Midway. Mikawa should have risked it all that night. But WWII was the first total war experienced by the japanese, they were mostly unable from an intellectual point of view to envisioned the kind of sacrifices it would require from them nor the true capabilities of US industrial power. Had they known, they would never have started it.

@nicholasconder4703 3 года назад

@@vlad78th To be fair, Fletcher a) had as little or less intelligence on Japanese activity than Turner, b) his carriers and support ships needed refueling, and c) he still needed to protect his carriers from Japanese attack. One source on RU-vid actually went so far as to say the Turner spent the next couple of days blaming everyone but himself for the disaster, and ended up finding Fletcher to be the perfect scapegoat. Remember, it was Turner in overall command, and it was HIS responsibility to ensure his ships would be ready for anything the Japanese threw at them. Indeed, being in relatively close proximity to a principle enemy base (Rabaul), his ships should have been more prepared for possible action, rather than having captains in conferences or crews more or less stood down for the night.

@scottl9660 3 года назад

@@nicholasconder4703 I can’t agree more, Turner blames the captains under him for a “lethargy of mind” and the guys above him. It seems everyone around Turner was to blame disputes the fact it was Turner task force that got wyfpwnd. It was Turners decision to not increase readiness to condition two when he found out enemy ships were heading to the shortlands knowing it would only take a couple hours to transit from there to his transports. Most damning was the disposition of his forces, was split into three components none of which could support each other. Turners battle plan invited defeat in detail and he got exactly what he planned for. It should be noted that Scott Callahan and even Wright didn’t make those mistakes in their plans.

@nicholasconder4703 3 года назад

@@scottl9660 Even more damning is that Turner still had 6 hours AFTER he received the message to do something, and he didn't. He got the second sighting report at 18:45, and the Japanese didn't attack until after midnight (2400). That's 6 hours in which nothing was done. Reminds me of the movie Gettysburg where Trimble is complaining about General Ewell not moving to attack Culp's Hill on the first day. To partially quote the tirade, "...and there we sat like fat gray idiots ...".

@hyperx72 3 года назад

"WARNING! JAPANESE SHIPS ATTACKING!" "Oh no! Anyways..."

@icewaterslim7260 2 года назад

"Turn those damned lights off! We're freindlies" . . . Jeez we're trying to sleep here fellas.

@hektor6766 2 года назад

@@icewaterslim7260 "実は..."

@OnerousEthic Год назад

What a storyteller! Such excellent integration of animated graphics! So easy to understand! Such great music! Well done!!!

@bradleyhenry7711 2 года назад

Great series of videos! I hope you find the time to continue soon, but I bet these take awhile to research and put all the graphics together. Thank you for these, you really did a great job! Here's to hoping for more!

@theskepticalwhaler4946 3 года назад

Mikawa definitely made the right call, like you said, everything we know was in hindsight, sure he could've easily knocked out the transports without any retaliations because the carriers left, but he didn't know and if the carriers were still around, he would've almost definitely lost all his ships. That would've almost assured the doom of the IJN.

@castlers5075 3 года назад

This is fantastic

@5Dice1 3 года назад

Hey its you

@magma4800 3 года назад

@arsenal-slr9552 3 года назад

Yee, it be indee

@nathaniel1069 3 года назад

Sup Castlers

@rlife7853 3 года назад

Oh you're here

@mrmothernature_nexus 2 года назад

Thank you immensely for these videos, hope you keep making them (at your own pace). They are so wonderful!!!

@E-Brightvoid Год назад

MacArthur screwing things up? Not surprising at all. Admiral King thought he was an idiot and I agree.

@FlyHenryFly Год назад

in the Korean War. Although he had some blunders as shown in this video, he was one of the best generals the Americans had in WWII

@vanguard9067 Год назад

@@FlyHenryFlyIn my opinion, he wasn’t even in the Top 10. Number one or two in self-promotion though.

@seanmac1793 Год назад

@nottheoofermaniac5681 he had some good campagians. Operation Cartwell is certainly nothing to sniff at but he also has quite the series of fuck ups and is like impossible to work with.

@duniagowes 5 месяцев назад

I'm with you. He was good at publicity & selling himself. Building personal brand image.

@hq3473 3 года назад

This need a million views. The amount of work and research is staggering.

@rigel2112 Год назад

I am here from the future it is currently closing on 4mil..

@pedrojuan8050 3 года назад

Midway Japanese : Overconfident, lost Savo Island Americans : Overconfident, lost

@senorfelipe1527 3 года назад

Lesson: don’t be overconfident

@rustym.shackelford5546 3 года назад

@@senorfelipe1527 Be realistic and prepared.

@KCzz15 3 года назад

I hear it's a slow and insidious killer.

@mobythelion3882 3 года назад

more like the Japanese were over 9000!!!

@aurelienrodriguez3252 3 года назад

Remind Yourself That Overconfidence Is A Slow and Insidious Killer - Ancestor (Darkest Dungeon)

@user-cp2yn4vr7j 6 месяцев назад

I appreciate that you take the time to name individual destroyers and light cruisers. I don't like that they're often thrown on the end of a list as "and 5 destroyers" or something to that effect.

@peterparsons7141 2 года назад

Really excellent work on the telling of the story. Accurate and entertaining, well explained. I’ve read and listened to a number of different versions of this history. You have done a great job.

@mixererunio1757 3 года назад

Goddamn, whole one hour. Hats off, you're the best.

@idkhistory5850 3 года назад

Wonder how long it took him to put it all together. Mad respect.

@celticman1909 3 года назад

As soon as I heard that MacArthur's command was in the crucial loop concerning Naval operations I knew it was going to be fucked up.

@robertfrost1683 3 года назад

McArthur ~ the most overrated general officer in world war 2

@erikrungemadsen2081 3 года назад

The momment i heard his name, i just had a sinking sensation in my stomach.

@jimwagoner4741 3 года назад

Same here.

@francischambless5919 3 года назад

@@robertfrost1683 My son and I are in complete admiration of Mikawa, his old but capable fleet and brave sailors. They did their duty and our fleet paid the price heavily. Was glad to hear of his survival of the war and how he lived afterwards. I'm certain knowledge of the missed opportunity hit him hard, but he has nothing but our respect for his tactical decisions. Wish we had all of them on our side but it just wasn't the case. Hopefully we all learn from these mistakes and elevate humanity above tragedies of war.

@michaelhill2844 3 года назад

@@robertfrost1683 Nah, still Montgomery. :)

@AKG1230 2 года назад

The quality of these videos is sublime. What an amazing job, thank you so much Montemayor!

@MaiderGoku Год назад

Kinda reminds me of Pacific War week by week playlist of Kings And Generals. Glad that more people is doing this map based videos.

@ralphcorsi741 2 года назад

The real irony is what happened to the transports the next morning. They were ordered to leave because they could no longer be defended. They left with most of their cargo hence the effect was almost the same as if Mikawa destroyed them. Yes they made deliveries later but they were forced to drop and run due to the Japanese ships continuously coming down the slot on a regular basis at night firing their guns on the marines on Guadalcanal. Another excellent presentation of the battle. Thank you.

@TirarADeguello 3 года назад

It's so good to see your new video out. I can't wait to see what you do next.

@theEWDSDS 3 года назад

This is a remake

@runertje550 3 года назад

Yeah this is a remake

@damuvang1915 3 года назад

You’ll see what he does next next year.

@mobythelion3882 3 года назад

i didn't know you would be here lol

@TirarADeguello 3 года назад

@@mobythelion3882 yes, huge fan.

@marksinger1368 2 года назад

This is a world-class analysis of strategy, tactics and command for this battle. I really appreciate the better understanding of what happened to the USS Vincennes where my uncle and his twin brother were stationed. One was rescued from the water, the other never seen again.

@Bizzon666 Год назад

One of the best battle documentaries I've ever seen! Everything is right for me: lot of information, rational graphical schemes, great commentary, ..

@Brian-nw2bn 3 года назад

Way to make Monday morning less shitty Montemayor. My man!

@krixpop 3 года назад

Flawlessly

@David-qz1es 3 года назад

I felt way more sad when learning the sad lonely fate of USS Jarvis. RIP to those lost in battle. Great video as always Edit: Apparently, Jarvis was one of only two American major surface warships to be lost in World War II with no survivors

@Magtf_hikaroo 3 года назад

What's the other?

@scottl9660 3 года назад

I think you need to get to cruisers before your talking major ships, DDs DEs and SSs are a dime a dozen in the 40s

@David-qz1es 3 года назад

@@Magtf_hikaroo USS Pillsbury (DD-227)

@David-qz1es 3 года назад

@@scottl9660 I think Wikipedia means major surface warship = surface combatant

@scottl9660 3 года назад

@@David-qz1es I’d remind the wiki gods that PT boats are surface combatants

@alquimista1X2 Год назад

I have more than 20+ subscriptions to channels of history & warfare, and this amazing discovery has the best narrator’s voice & has you clinging til the end. Awesome channel ❤

@rinkashikachi 10 месяцев назад

Your videos are art. Many overlook great music, awesome captions and so on

@RRRanTV 3 года назад

Your work is so excellent, well researched, full of accurate details, and graphically so well designed it, it's simply the best version of WW2 naval battle history documentation I have ever seen, regardless Chinese, German, or English wordwide. It's perfect in every way, I'm so amazed today as an adult. And if I saw this when I was a little kid and was curious learning everything about the WW2 naval battles, I would've been absolutely fascinated over 9000% by your work. As if a dream you couldn't hope to be true finally come true. Thank you for your awesome work, please keep continue to do so! Hope more channels/institutions/government will recognize your work and support you, you definitely deserve it thousand times. Take good care Sir, thank you again so much, and best regards from Germany!

@icewaterslim7260 2 года назад

Damned right.. . . what he said. Montemayor's Midway video fits that praise too. I'd better subscribe and see some more.

@Albo-wn4ud 2 года назад

Very well said, this video is absolutely amazing.

@peteranninos2506 2 года назад

My Flight Instructor in the late 70's and early 80's, Ralph Conaway, told me about this battle. He was on The Vincennes. He told me that they got the abandon ship warning and couldn't understand why as his battle station was in engineering and they weren't aware of significant damage. When he came up on deck, the ship was still making significant headway, the water was just at deck level and rising. He just stepped into the water and watched the ship continue on and sink like a submarine taking a huge number of sailors with it. Later after the war he was stationed in Japan and two of the principle Japanese commanders were now civilians and worked under a US navy Chief (Ralph) ! They kept in touch until the Japanese passed away and Ralph died about 1985 from Cancer.

@tedshed9691 2 года назад

thanks for that part of the story.

@boryswalczyna9923 2 года назад

Personal experience is so precious, thanks for sharing

@MarcusHansen276 2 года назад

That’s actually insane

@dmeyerbcp 2 года назад

Incredible. Guys like Ralph are leaving us for good now. My mother in law also lived through that war. Amazing times ... we need to be grateful for their contribution to enabling us to have the opportunities that we have today. thanks for sharing.

@protonjones54 2 года назад

I can't imagine the kinds of conversations the old commanders would have with your mate!

@hendrikd.gideonse7264 2 года назад

I've been binge-ing, too, on WW2 1942 Pacific Theater and this material is exemplary on clarity, thoughtfulness, and presentation. Well done!

@Itchyman96 2 года назад

The amount of work that goes into these must be insane,,, story telling, animation, narration all on point,

@stevelu9340 3 года назад

Mikawa's fleet is not designed to be a suicidal one, limited mission goals and limited ammunition and fuel, as a commander he completed the best he could already. Nothing to be blame.

@coyoteken1000 3 года назад

More importantly limited intelligence on the location of the American carriers

@francischambless5919 3 года назад

My son and I are in complete admiration of Mikawa, his old but capable fleet and brave sailors. They did their duty and our fleet paid the price heavily. Was glad to hear of his survival of the war and how he lived afterwards. I'm certain knowledge of the missed opportunity hit him hard, but he has nothing but our respect for his tactical decisions. Wish we had all of them on our side but it just wasn't the case. Hopefully we all learn from these mistakes and elevate humanity above tragedies of war.

@Doyle- 3 года назад

Yeah at this time of war the Japanese still have some resource to fight with even though they lost 4 carriers in previous battle yet the war is still a stalemate at this point

@KrillLiberator 3 года назад

It was possibly the single greatest performance of any Japanese surface naval force in the entire war. Even Tanaka couldn't top a result like that, with all his daring runs down the Slot.

@robertrichard6107 3 года назад

Wasn't the fleet Britain helped get built for Japan used against the Russians in 1905 also trained in night fighting? Weren't several of those battles at night in the Sea of Japan? 'makes me wonder if that crossed Adm. Turners mind. Tsar Nicholas lost face in the 'Royals Status' before the Hapsburgs pulled the levers for WWI.

@dc43tokyo 2 года назад

For those who haven't already read it, Neptune's Inferno: The U.S. Navy at Guadalcanal by James D. Hornfischer gives an incredible moment by moment account in graphic detail of what happend that night at Savo Sound.

@dimitrikemitsky 2 года назад

@@ohio like, "hey if you haven't read it, you should."

@benjaminbuchanan7151 2 года назад

It’s a great book

@altair458 2 года назад

@@ohio you don't get his disclaimer? I think that it would be safe to bet that their are a lot of things in life that you don't get. God bless you and stay safe

@IslandStyle123 Год назад

Just ordered it from Amazon. Thanks for the heads up.

@goose8012 Год назад

Another amazing explanation of an incredibly complex situation. Your detailed visualizations combined with pointed and structured commentary are unmatched in quality!

@magr7424 2 года назад

The details and love he put in his videos are paramount... I don't know any other channel on yt with this work ethos, everything fits here perfectly... I hope in future he gets help and is able to put out more of these fantastic video. Best greetings from Heidelberg to you, Sir!

@thom_wye 3 года назад

considering we're talking about giant naval battles that put hundreds and thousands of men under stress most of us cannot imagine, isn't it ironic how cozy and relaxing watching this video is

@jasonx1174 2 года назад

It's relaxing thanks to his general framing and narration.

@user-yrelgsts 3 года назад

素晴らしいビデオだね。第一次ソロモン海戦を取り上げるなんていいセンスしてる This is a great video Thank you from Japan

@otisotis5869 2 года назад

Great narrative and quality video! Well researched and balanced critique…. Logical sequence of the analysis by Montemayor is most appreciated and acknowledged- thank you!

@billybud9557 2 года назад

extremely well done. First time I truly understood the battle, in the context of the position of the islands and the fleets. Great visuals. Thanks.

@aaronjohn6586 3 года назад

The layers to why the USN thought it was so superior to the IJN are amazing. The IJN was so much better trained at night fighting, their torpedoes were vastly better, their powder was flash less. Looking at the early years of the war the IJN gave as good if not better then it got. Yes 4 carriers lost and the aircrews hurt a lot but their surface fleet was still formidable.

@MontemayorChannel 3 года назад

I totally Agree Aaron John.

@lars7935 3 года назад

In the end that didn't matter. The US had such a vast advantage in industry and manpower that they couldn't really lose as long as support for the war was high in the population.

@nogisonoko5409 3 года назад

@@lars7935 Everyone knew that. But one must not doubt Japanese surface fleet quality if they are in their playground. Only the latter war ships USN fielded with superior radar and FCS they could compete with Japanese surface fleet sufficiently at night.

@Ibrahimhusain-tw5dw 3 года назад

Mikawa made a choice to not win too harder than he already had. Respect

@BatCostumeGuy 3 года назад

He typed gg in the chat and then left.

@parkerbond9400 3 месяца назад

He didn't want to run up the score, great sportsmanship!

@robertsaiz3339 2 года назад

Excellent video! I was unaware of the possibility of the HMAS Canberra being his by friendly torpedoes. The Two Ocean War by Samuel Elliot Morrison is a must read. It details most major US Navy ops in both the Atlantic and Pacific theaters. Battle maps with ship courses and sinkings are a definite plus in this book. It was the first I had heard of the Battle of Savo Island and many others. Not as advantageous as video but it gives a fine replication some of the battles. It also details battles I had never heard of. I first found this book at a public library when I was 12 years old. I have two in my collection now and 47 years after I first read the book, I still reference it often.

@katykircher7413 8 месяцев назад

The Canberra was located while I was posted on Guadalcanal in 1991 - 93. HMAS Tobruk went out there with various dignitaries to lay wreaths at the site.

@pborgia1 2 года назад

This video shows the superiority of animated graphical maps accompanied by excellent commentary and narration to explain a complex battle. I have read many well regarded books that describe battles and are accompanied by static maps. The complexity of the movement of the opposing forces over time make a battle difficult to follow in printed books and these usually leave me at least a bit confused . The excellent animations in this video leave very little to the imagination and clearly depict the actions of the opposing sides. Well done Montemayor!!

@andrewhall6524 3 года назад

Extremely well done video. Your prior research, animation, narration, and storytelling of these epic historic battles is the very best out there. Thank you for another very entertaining and informative video.

@MontemayorChannel 3 года назад

Much appreciated Drew! it was a lot of work, and I'm glad to see it paid off. Thanks for watching!

@alexrodriguez7564 3 года назад

Can you do a remastered version of the attack on Pearl Harbor ? :)

@Garuda5 Год назад

@@MontemayorChannel What software do you use to make the battle maps?

@rbolduan 2 года назад

My grandfather, for as little as he talked about his time in the Navy during WWII did once tell me, "Guadalcanal was a hellhole". He left it at that. I've always had an idea why, but this one really drove it home. Stationed in the bowels of the Wilson (he was a boilerman), I can't imagine what this was like realizing you're one of the only surviving ships when the morning broke. Thank you so much.

@shangri-la-la-la 2 года назад

I'm glad my grandpa opened up about what he went through in the Battle of the Bulge in the last few years he was alive. One of the few things I ever saw him get angry at was people blindly glorifying war. Considering he was a machine gunner with 2 deserters in his group, was fired at several times, had to consider killing a group of 17 captured German soldiers as night was falling all to get taken from the fields due to trench foot I could understand why.

@theboldr 2 года назад

@@shangri-la-la-la I did get an Iwo Jima story out of mine. He was there for the landings as a CPO (again, in the boiler room) on an amphibious assault ship which my grandmother and mother to this date keep calling a "hospital ship". While it's true that his ship spent a lot of time ferrying casualties off the island, it also was part of the force that dropped them off. My grandmother and mother say he "Enjoyed his time on the Sibley the most", but if the alternative was watching your entire fleet get wiped out, I can understand why. War sucks.

@krudeddie 2 года назад

I think if i had to pick one job not to do on a war ship that would be it. To be down in the bowels of the ship keeping it running as its getting pounding knowing that even when the call for abandon ship the odds of you making it out are not with you is one level above brave. Much respect to your Grandfather and other men who did this job.

@guaporeturns9472 2 года назад

@@theboldr two truer words have never been spoken. War sucks

@protipskiptoendofvideoandr286 2 года назад

@@theboldr like the us soldier that wrote War is Hell on his helmet. I dont know personally but I've heard enough stories to know that they are braver men and woman then me, and I tip my hat to them.

@Vrym42 6 месяцев назад

I came back to this video 2 years later just to say this: I just started watching “The Pacific” in anticipation of “Masters of the Air”. Halfway through the first episode, our Marines are watching a naval battle at night shortly after landing in Guadalcanal, and thanks to your video, I instantly realized it was this one. Thanks for giving me some surprise historical context that enhanced an otherwise brief scene. Edit: Not to say I hadn’t already watched this 2 or 3 times in the past because it’s both informative, entertaining and engaging, just like all your content, but it was nice to have what I learned here come back to aid my understanding of a related piece of media 2 years later.

@stijn4771 5 месяцев назад

This is ny far the best video on any operation I've ever seen. Not only telling what happened, but explaining every detail and analyzing the choices made. So interesting, what a gem!

@adamtruong1759 3 года назад

Poor Jarvis, I suppose her loss wasn't in vain, not completely anyway.

@thomaspowell7468 3 года назад

It wasn’t. The planes that attacked her were on their way to hit the transports. But they instead found and attacked her

@Nightsight971 3 года назад

@@thomaspowell7468 Why would one ship take priority a troop landing area, carrier yes, but not a reported cruiser. Such a great video.

@thomaspowell7468 3 года назад

@@Nightsight971 Japanese sea control doctrine. They sink what they perceive to be a capital ship so to them they did that they were supposed to do

@adamtruong1759 3 года назад

The ship and crew didn't even sacrifice themselves willingly to protect the transports, they're were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

@mofaz1968 3 года назад

Mikawa had luck on his side..and as they say.."dont push your luck" ..he did his job perfectly

@Calzaghe83 3 года назад

Yah, but really what was the point of the whole endeavour if you don't take out the transports?

@vincenzoberetta1085 3 года назад

@@Calzaghe83 It is said in the video: "Mikawa was old school. He had achieved sea dominance so doctrine called for the enemy transports to retire. Plus, his job was to sink the US fleet; the marines were the Japanese Army's problem."

@RocZi 3 года назад

@@Calzaghe83 and then risking aircraft from carriers to destroy them. how to choose?

@imarchello 3 года назад

@@Calzaghe83 Did you even watch the video?

@erynncollier8672 3 года назад

@@vincenzoberetta1085 Just......one..... little problem with Mikawa's decision. The enemy won't necessarily follow doctrine. Mikawa had an opportunity to change the outcome of the Guadalcanal campaign and he passed it up. A strategic coup that would set the US campaign back for at least several months and result in 19,000 Marines killed or captured is well worth risking a handful of ships. Mikawa, as well as a great many japanese commanders' greatest flaw was in not recognizing when to deviate from doctrine. They _knew_ the doctrine, but not many _understood_ it and the logic behind it. When the logic behind a doctrinal decision no longer holds true, the sound military decision must deviate from doctrine.

@spudhut2246 Год назад

Well done on your presentation; I have learned more than what I knew about this battle. Great Job! I will be watching more of your work.

@justinhealey2408 Год назад

My Uncle Vincent Patrick Healey was aboard the USS Astoria in this battle and survived floating in the ocean until rescued, he went on to serve on a few other ships and battles, I know Midway was one. He had a long career with the US Navy and retired as a Real Admiral that I am so proud to say!!! I'm so glad I came across this channel and am amazed by the amount of detailed information, best description of the Battle for Savo Sea ever!!!! Thank You!!!!!!❤

@blye4181 3 года назад

My favorite youtuber uploads again. Time to rewatch this for the next 3 months because it's fucking AMAZING

@MontemayorChannel 3 года назад

Thanks Blye!

@Volnas97 3 года назад

Mikawa did the right call, with the informations he had including the fact, that British and Germans were better friends in WWII than Japanese Army and Japanese Navy.

@MoizRafay 3 года назад

What a poetic way to put it.

@BatCostumeGuy 3 года назад

@@MoizRafay He's speaking facts, even the naval commanders undermined each other, they hated each other so much that they never cooperated and ones (I'm really bad at remembering names) a Commander refused to help another Commander in a battle because he just didn't like him.

@priatalat 3 года назад

@@BatCostumeGuy When ego trumps literally your own victory

@paul5475 3 года назад

During the Manila Battle General Yamashita order all Troops to withdraw Manila.. to avoid the destruction of the City. But the 10 thousand strong navies of Japan disobey to the Commander. Yamashita is the commander he promise that he will not destroyed the City of Manila. As respect to what General Douglas MC Arthur done. When Japanese invade Manila. MC Arthur agreed to withdraw to the City to avoid Destruction.. Manila that time buildings was originally look like Spain Barcelona that's why it was called the Rome of the East. But the command officer of Navy didn't obey. The 10 thousand navy of Japan causes many murdered rape and torture to the Local Filipinos and captured Filipino and American soldiers. Yes the Navy and Army of Japan are not friends. The Navy are composed of Old fashioned Japanese.