The gsm (grams per square metre) will be related to but independant from the thickness (microns). It will depend on the density of the constituents and coatings of each manufacturer.
Cool review. Thanks. Did you use the corresponding ICC profiles? I just picked up sampler packs of Hahnemuhle Gloss and Epson fine art paper. I was using Red River Palo Duro Soft Gloss Rag & Etching but the shipping costs to Canada for small orders are getting pretty insane $$$. Anyway, I'm looking for replacements for those two papers. (I've used a Canon Pro 10 for the past 5+ years. It is well used.)
Yes I used the correct profiles for both. Really after a lot more use the only difference for me is I prefer the slightly less glossy finish of the Moab. The image quality of both is about equal.
Guess I should have mentioned that... This was all tested on a Canon Pro-1000. My Epson 4880 gave up the ghost about a month ago and I replaced it with the Canon. So far I'm glad I did, the Canon's a bit easier to use and the results are better.
@@EdwardMartinsPhotography I'm looking at the Pro-100 now. I think the Pro-1000 can print wider and does it have more inks? Do you prefer the Canon over the Epson? I think that is what you implied.
@@regaling The Pro-100 has 8 inks and does 13" wide, the Pro-1000 has 12 inks and does up to 17" wide. And at this point I do prefer the Canon over the Epson. The Canon's are more user friendly and just seem to be less fiddly.
Thanks for the comparison. Are these both Glossy papers? Also regarding your comments below. Pro 1000 uses pigment inks & the Pro 100 uses dye inks if that makes a difference to you. Watching some people who print & compare both Epson & Canon printers, Canon does look a little easier or user freindly but Epson gets a little better in that department everyday.
They are sort of glossy. Kinda like a fiber based print that's been air dried. Yes, the Pro 100 does use dye based inks. I had a few of them, At one point Canon was giving them away if you bought a camera. I have killed an Epson 4000 and Epson 4880. They last about 3 years and then clog and die. After investing (losing) $6000 with Epson, I'm done.
@@EdwardMartinsPhotography I purchased one when they were giving them away. The reason I asked was the Hahnemuhle said glossy on the box but not the Moab. Thanks for getting back & happy printing.
I recently printed on that specific Hahnemühle paper (please check YT for pronunciation of both that and baryta) but I've yet to try that particular Moab paper. The results are phenomenal (Epson P900)! The shot is of a highly-textured/finely-detailed surface of frozen mud and ice (sounds boring/awful but I love it) and the print looks 3D. I could do with a tad less sheen for some images, but that's why they make textured paper. It's got a nice balance (similar to Epson Ultra Premium Luster, which is great for most images).
@@EdwardMartinsPhotography Yeah--I know--pedantic and who really cares (although in German, a trailing "e" is pronounced "ə"). The important thing is is how daunting it can be to navigate through the sea of available papers (I'm experimenting with 10 baryta papers, four of them from Hahnemühle). Most of them produce great results, but there are of course differences, and it's nice when people like you can help others make the best choices for their work. Printing is a fine art unto itself and an essential part of photography--mere posting doesn't cut it!
@@ddsdss256 Don't get me wrong, the definition of language to me is extremely important. If we don't define our symbols we lose any hope of communicating or even logic and rationality itself. I just don't put much emphasis on the nuances of pronunciation or even spelling. Those evolve over time, as long as the meanings are still clear. And it's the definition of words that are under attack these days on purpose which undermines the fabric of society at a fundamental level. Shakespeare revolutionized the English language making it cleaner and more efficient, those processes always continue. If not we would be speaking and reading like Chaucer, which although brilliant had to work with the language of his time which was slow and plodding for a slow and plodding world... Another point is the hundreds if not thousands of regional accents. Scotland comes to mine. I love the Scottish accent, but without careful study, it's almost unintelligible, and yet they are still speaking English. So is there a "mispronunciation" of two non native English words? Baryta comes from the Japanese, and Hahnemuhle is clearly German. In an English language text I'm going to Anglicize the spelling and leave off the ü. Thus making it "Han-a-mule." Which is somewhat cheeky and playful, in which it is historically typical to anglicize foreign words anyway while poking a little fun at them. (The British have been doing it to the French for centuries.) So I would go as far as to say those two words are fair game. And yes, if you don't print it, it's not a photograph. Something I don't feel is controversial at all, yet 90% of serious photographers these days take offense at me saying that.
@@EdwardMartinsPhotography Yeah, even Scottish varies by region. Glasgow's not 50 miles from Edinburgh, yet Glaswegian sounds almost like a foreign language there (even more so in the US), plus it seems like no two people in Edinburgh (and yes, I pronounce all four syllables--;)) sound the same--a very international city. Hey, as long as we can communicate (although that's a problem even when people speak the same language, but let's not get into that)! Now, about bokeh (speaking of Japanese origin)...
@@ddsdss256 LOL, yup good catch... I write these responses first thing in the morning, a bit of brain fog there... Etymology. From New Latin baryta, from Ancient Greek βαρύτης (barútēs, “heaviness”), from βαρύς (barús, “heavy”). noun Chemistry. Also called cal·cined ba·ry·ta [kal-sahynd buh-rahy-tuh], barium oxide, bar·i·um mon·ox·ide [bair-ee-uhm muh-nok-sahyd], bar·i·um pro·tox·ide [bair-ee-uhm proh-tok-sahyd] . a white or yellowish-white poisonous solid, BaO, highly reactive with water: used chiefly as a dehydrating agent and in the manufacture of glass. Also called caus·tic ba·ry·ta [kaw-stik buh-rahy-tuh], barium hydroxide, bar·i·um hy·drate [bair-ee-uhm hahy-dreyt] . the hydroxide, hydrated form of this compound, Ba(OH)2⋅8H2O, used chiefly in the industrial preparation of beet sugar and for refining animal and vegetable oils. I won't be buying beet sugar anymore or refined vegetable oils...