Thanks to Poop train conductor, Teleperonwë MC, Bryan Perkins, Lachlan Titchmarsh, TheCapitaineMax, Domenic Minniti, Andrew Hubbard and Jeffrey Hallam for supporting me on Patreon! It was your donations that paid for FlowScape, the 3D-program that was used for creating Esgaroth and the Gate of Erebor! This was perhaps the most difficult project thus far, not only was there many conflicting maps from Tolkien, but the battle itself is scarcely described. I had to learn FlowScape and Total War Attila as well as dealing with 5 exams. Now its all through, and I am very happy with the result :) I outsourced the voice acting this time, due to the time-pressure, and I am certain that you find mr. Taylor’s voice splendid. He certainly can mimic Sir Ian McKellen! As always, if you believe my hard work and effort was worth it, consider supporting me on Patreon: www.patreon.com/LOME I would love some feedback on what you think of the 3D-perspective, and if you want me to keep it or not! PS: Also, sorry to the uber-die-hard-fans, I know the armors are not lore-friendly, but none really produce gameplay of lore accurate armors.
I like the 3D units but locations should stay as map format imo. Also the voice actor was good but I still prefer your voice, it gives the channel character.
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Oh yeah, I was counting streaming as television. And streamed shows like the Witcher, the Mandalorian and Game of Thrones have been absolute triumphs. Now just to see how Amazon does their LOTR show.
Thorin: "I am not my grandfather." Balin: "You certainly look like him in this video covering the Battle of Five Armies, here." Thorin: "What? Let me see."
Hahah! Thorin certainly looks more like a man in the movies, but Thror looks very dwarfish. I decided to go with him instead. After all, Thorin's armor was golden :)
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Well, that, and Thorin's the oldest of his company, so I can understand that choice. In fairness to the movies, I always like to imagine Thorin had what Christopher Lee had: good genetics, since even in his old age Christopher Lee looked a lot younger than he really was.
@@TheWhiteDragon3 Not unless if their beards were singed by dragonfire like when Smaug took the Lonely Mountain. If I was of the longbeards and I was displaced from my homeland by a dragon, I would probably keep it short as a reminder of that loss and to remind myself to not forget in longing to take back the Lonely Mountain. While Tolkien didn't give that to Thorin in the book, it at least feels thematically appropriate.
I did read the book decades ago as a teen but didn't quite remember all the details. So the movie altered key aspects of the Battle of the Five Armies. The elf lord was noble, helped the towns folk and didn't want to shed blood for gold but the movie made him into a sneering character spoiling for a fight. The move made the human townsfolk to be all old and decrepit and very pathetic looking but the book describes them as stout, brave and formidable. And it was The Skin Changer who killed Bolg not Thorin.
@@cristianherazo1952 I was referring to the movies, not the book. News Redial said it was Thorin who killed Bolg in the movie, I was correcting that statement
Thranduil in the book: "we should take time to aid the men of Laketown and heal their sick and dying." Thranduil in the movie: "lol lets kill the dwarves for fun"
yeah listen I've heard people argue he didn't like the dwaves greed to which I say listen he stopped to help his allies and wished to aid them but he only came cause he wanted the treasure
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT It wasn't so much Jackson's b.s.. The over abundance of CGI, terrible elfxdwarf love story and other awful things were due to meddling from MGM and Warner Bros.
I must point out that while it was stupid, it came straight from the books, "The elves were the first to charge,. Their hatred for the goblins is cold and bitter." Chapter "The clouds Burst" page 253 paragraph 3. Unfortunately everyone is right, the film is too overloaded with Lord of the Ring-ish stuff. Really dissapointed when the title was changed from There and back again to TBotFA. Guess the alternate title of The hobbit wasn't Lord of the Rings enough, speaking of which, it was infuriating how almost 80% of everything that came from the book got pushed to the extended edition. It's actually pretty well done. I remember someone went to the trouble of editing the trilogy into one video called "There and back again". It cuts out anything that wasn't in the books which altoguether adds up to 5 hours, give or take half and hour, pretty good and it feels like a Hobbit movie.
I was so excited for The Hobbit movies for one reason The Battle of the Five Armies. I was severely let down by it, thanks for your accurate representation!
100% agree. They made it cheesy and you never really felt like anyone was in danger in the film. This video and the other battle breakdowns are worthy of a massive audience.
As a child I don’t remember the battle being all that important to the book. Wasn’t it just a chapter long or did my kid brain just block it out because it wasn’t as cool as riddles in the dark or bilbo naming sting?
I'd just like to say, it is such a breath of fresh air to see someone put so much care and effort into their work. Especially a topic as rich and in-depth as Tolkien. The attention to detail and the effort to stay true to the source material is noticeable and appreciated. Look forward to more future videos!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Didnt tolkien put himself as narrator of the stories? i mean he did create it but i always thought he was the narrator, kind off. Correct me where im wrong please!
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I'm not sure the eagles are directed by Manwe always, as Galdalf is his Maia servant, I would expect he also has room for a measure of favour with them or control, which i expect would be the former.
Excellent voice acting and visuals!!! The Battle of the Five Armies is a great scene, I wish the movies were more loyal to it :(. Keep up the great work :)
Wonderful stuff! I still to this day do not understand why Peter Jackson had to have Azog as the main antagonist in the film adaptations... Just have the scene where Azog dies in the Battle of Moria and have Bolg as the main antagonist in the Battle of the Five Armies.
Because Peter was handed a half finished project and was told, finish this in on year, the hobbit movies were an absolute production nightmare with a complete change of script late production and alot of mistreatment of the cast itself. Many of the main actors of the dwarves weren't even invited to the premiere initially. It was that bad between actors and company.
@@Demon2k3 could they not delay the movie? Im unsure how movie productions work. Why wasnt Jackson given the role of director initially? Seems like such a mess
@@tenyasha4398 As far as I know, Tolkien didn't write much about that battle. We only know that dwarves and men were pushed back to the montain, where Brand and Dain were slain and the situation looked dire. Then news of Sauron's defeat came and the Easterlings were driven back and fled. That's not much to go on.
@@Quallenkrauler okay thanks for the info didnt know that. That sucks because ever since they marched to the black gate i fell in love with them. I wish we saw more of them
The plot about the bird hearing Bilbo speaking about the open hole in Smaug's armour and then whispered it to Bard before the kill shot, is so central to the plot of the story, that it's criminal to leaving it out of the movies. What the hell was Peter Jackson thinking about? I dislike the movies for lots of other reason, but that part was the worst.
It would have possibly felt too quaint for the tone the movies were clearly going for, but it would have made for a great opportunity to involve Radagast in the actual plot.
I still remember some history channel use total war to show the battle or recreate them! Man i really love when i see someone using total war to recreate battles 8>
Indeed in the book Elvenking (Thranduil based on assumptions of LOTR later) wasn't the warmonger unlike they made him in the movie. I remember when I read the book he was one of my favorite character. Bard was more forceful but fair. No kids were present. And the Master of the Lake-city wasn't that repulsive either. Turned out greedy at the end anyway. And of course no Legolas and a silly love triangle whatsoever. Kili and Fili died protecting Thorin, not some non-existed female elf Tauriel. Though I liked very much the extended appearance of Thranduil in the trilogy. The whole cast in the movie was exceptional I have to give credit to PJ crew on that. Thanks for your wonderful video and for Patreon info! P.S. Oh and I forgot the whole Azug the Defiler silliness.
There was always something satisfying about this battle. Goblin and orc armies were so devastated that I couldn't help but feel secure for the fate of Middle-Earth.
While this ensured the north was quiet for some time, the real event that kept everyone safe was the War of Dwarves and Orcs that preceeded this one, where Thorin earned his nickname and Dain earned his fame
I only recently started appreciating how much of the epic fantasy battles you often find depicted in stuff like Warhammer or numerous works of fantasy literature actually has a decent precedent in Tolkien. The stout, heavily armored dwarfs with weapons that hint at their long affinity for mining, the bow-and-spear-centered elves, the unorthodox war mounts like "Warg riders" and the like. I don't really come to Lord of the Rings for epic battles very often, but it's nice and interesting to get a glimpse at the lineage of that stuff.
This portrayal of the battle is much better than the movie, although one thing I will point out about the movie is that when the elves started fighting the orcs with the dwarves it really stood out to me. Knowing the history between dwarves and elves, it means that even though they hate each other they will still come together to defeat their collective true enemy,orcs. (That jumping the dwarven phalanx was still a strategic failure imo though).
You’ve got to give him some credit though it must of been hard, I mean if it was me I wouldn’t of done 3 movies but it would be really hard I bet you couldn’t do much better. No offence not having a go.
@@Alex9971000 well he shouldn't have given himself so much more work by adding characters that don't exist in Tokens universe, That take away from the main characters the whole reason we are they in the first place No one cares about a stupid Twilight love story.
@@ThomasK96 considering PJ at no time said he wanted to film the Hobbit, his project was LOTR, unfortunately he was left with the mess from Guillermo when he left the movies, so maybe the studios have alot to answer for, however I still enjoyed the Hobbit, although I wasn't happy with a love interest being introduced to the Hobbit (Tauriel).
@@katerinakemp5701 I know all about the behind-the-scenes drama I have watched all 27 plus hours a special features on all three Hobbits Films. And I personally love an Unexpected Journey I would defend that one but only that one.
@@thatguyinelnorte Battle of the Five Armies had nothing to do with Del Toro. He was only involved in pre production. The fault for that travesty lies solely on the studio, who insisted on making The Hobbit a trilogy.
@@ThejollyFrenchman I'm sorry but did the studio demand all the movies be close to 3 hrs long, have the elves jump over a spear wall of dwarfs to attack the enemy first, the stupid love triangle, killing Smung in the third movie rather then the second, focus so much time on that corrupt official in lake town(forgot his name) in the third movie, skip the funeral and Ironfoots crowing of King of the Lonely mountain? I have no doubt the studio has a fair share of blame on how these movies were made but to dissolve Jackson of any blame is completely dishonest.
Awesome work! And it depicts the main reason i was so dissapointed with the movie: Beorn. He was a KEY figure in the battle. It was his ferocious charge that won the battle at the end, and in the movie he has like SECONDS of screentime ... but whatever, loved the video!
These videos are great. When you run out of battles to cover you should take excerpts from the books and visually map out the journeys of the characters. I love the style. You could cover things like: - The Flight to the Ford (or the hobbits journey to Rivendell in general) - The journey of the Three Hunters - Aragorn's path through the Mountain with his company to take the Corsairs - Frodo and Sam's path through Mordor
Thank you! I have been thinking about making such videos for a while! Thanks for the suggestion, showing that these videos might draw interest from the audiences :)
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT No, thank you for bringing these works to life visually. I also had a further thought and realised that another journey that could be mapped out would be that of Thorin's company from The Shire to Erebor.
Dude I was looking for the video with the guy with awesome dramatic voice, and settled for this. Then by the end I realized it was you, you just had hired a voice actor XD.
Thanks for producing this very enjoyable depiction of the Battle of Five Armies. If only the movie had been like this, but it ended up being unintentional comedy! Great stuff! I look forward to more of this (if and when you find the time and energy). Again, many thanks!
Excellent video. Thank you. Since I started to view Tolkien-themed RU-vid channels, I've noticed that a lot of people from Nordic countries are drawn to Tolkien's work. Is this because Tolkien was heavily influenced by Nordic mythology, particularly Norse mythology? In the Völsunga saga - the text that also inspired Richard Wagner’s opera, Der Ring des Nibelungen - an all-powerful ring and a broken sword that is reforged are both main features of the story. And some of the character names alone -- like Thor, obviously -- derive from Nordic history.
Thank you as always Jeff :) I am not entirely sure why Nordic people are drawn especially to Tolkien, but it might be that we are drawn to Tolkien of the said reasons. Cool that you know about Ring des Nibelungen! I for my part was just drawn into the universe after watching the movies, then I read the books and was shocked. The books is pure gold.
Yes, if you´re already in to norse mythology it´s very interesting with the all the things in his work that are obviously inspired by it. Like Tolkien´s dwarves being quite similar to those in our mythology, how the people of rohan look like vikings and their language seem kind of scandinavian, the dragons, elves etc. As far as i can tell he never just ripped something off though but always put his own twist on it.
Carl Barks had to have based some of Scrooge McDuck's character off of Thorin Oakenshield, not just Ebenezer Scrooge and Andrew Carnegie. Scrooge's debut was in 1947--ten years after The Hobbit, and he has a lot of parallels with Thorin. Both have quite a temper, both are old and childless, both are greedy, but they are goal-driven, both come from prominent families that had fallen on hard times until Thorin/Scrooge reclaimed that long-forgotten gold. Scrooge has a money bin with wealth similar to what we see in the Lonely Mountain, both have fought giant-sized arachnids, both cherish a priceless heirloom: Thorin with the Arkenstone, and Scrooge with his Number 1 Dime. And both their sisters had two kids that accompanied them on their ventures: Thorin's sister Dis had Fili and Kili, and Scrooge's sister Hortense had Della and Donald Duck. Basically Scrooge could play Thorin if Disney adapted The Hobbit the way they did A Christmas Carol. Have Mickey play the part of Bilbo and Goofy play Gandalf. Let that image sink in.
Oh my. I actually collected Donald Duck for at least 10 years when I was younger, and I still have my collection. Carl Barks is incredible, and you just opened a new world to me with that parallel. That was great, thank you :)
@@LoreOfTheRingsYT No problem. I also forgot to mention that Huey, Dewey, and Louie made their debut in 1938 and their names have that catchy rhyming scheme like Dori, Nori, and Ori.
Liam did a good job for sure but having watched your Gondor video, I really believe that your Viking accent adds something more wonderful to the videos.
The five armies are Dwarves, Men, Elves, Goblins and Eagles. Wargs and bats are part of the massive goblin army. Gandalf and Beorn aren't armies (technically).