Battle of the Great Western Trail Games!

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Let's get ready to rumble....
It's a four-corner showdown of cattle (sheep?) herding in this Great Western Trilogy comparison video. Join Brad and Toph at the table as they give their thoughts between what might be Alexander Pfister's greatest gaming series--at least, according to the Bad at Board Games team. We give some general thoughts, first impressions, current opinions, overall ratings, and personal preferences for Great Western Trail (2016, 2021), Great Western Trail: Argentina (2022), Great Western Trail: New Zealand (2023), and the Great Western Trail expansion: Rails to the North (2018, 2022).
For more thorough reviews on each of these games, watch our reviews:
GWT (2nd Edition) Review
• Great Western Trail Se...
GWT: Argentina Review
• Best One? Argentina vs...
GWT: New Zealand Review
• Game of the Year? | Gr...
Rails to the North Expansion (2nd Edition) Review
• GWT Rails To the North...
Which game tops the charts for you? Do we disagree? We very well may. We'd love to know your thoughts anyway.
Contact us at
badatboardgames.contact@gmail.com
00:00 - Start
00:33 - Let's Get Into the Review
02:37 - How are we going through this video
03:06 - Brad Does not know how Toph is running this video
03:39 - GWT - Brad's First Impression
05:10 - GWT - Toph's First Impression
07:21 - Why is it Brad's #1 of All Time
08:20 - GWT: Argentina - Toph's Thoughts
09:24 - GWT: Argentina - Brad's Thoughts
10:10 - GWT: Argentina Solo
10:46 - Blown Away by GTW: Argentina
11:14 - Would we keep one or all?
12:02 - Argentina is...
12:47 - Which one to start with?
13:30 - New Zealand!
15:15 - GWT: New Zealand - Brad's Thoughts
16:37 - GWT: New Zealand - Toph's Thoughts
18:34 - Rails to the North...
19:53 - GWT: Rails to the North - Toph's Thoughts
21:57 - Best, Better, Greatest!
23:32 - Toph's #3
25:51 - Brad's #3
27:05 - Brad's #2
28:09 - Toph's #2
28:24 - Toph's and Brad's #1
33:24 - Do you have questions?

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14 июл 2024

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@tjplaysboardgames 10 месяцев назад

You guys are one of my favorite channels right now. The quality, the banter, the content - it’s all great. Very inviting and informative. I need to try New Zealand, but I loved Argentina!

@BadatBoardgames 8 месяцев назад

Welcome aboard, TJ! (Also, sorry for the late reply. For some reason, your comment got stuck in the "Held for Review" neverland, held hostage by the RU-vid guards until your release this afternoon...) I'm glad you like the banter between Brad and me. Truth be told, that's us in real life! Always a good time with us, at least we think so. LOL Hope to see you around!

@miandagny 10 месяцев назад

So glad I saw this! Didn't know it was already so readily available, was easily able to get online, thank you.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

You are very welcome!!! I hope you love it as well!

@pincao 10 месяцев назад

Great Job ! As a heavy boardgame developer, I love games with strategic variability via interesting interwoven mechanics. The base game will always have a place in my heart, as I helped acquire it for Stronghold Games. Thanks for doing this.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

You are very welcome thanks for watching and commenting!!!

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

You have a pretty cool job helping select and balance great games !

@Bigjeffro 10 месяцев назад

Kind of surprised about the dissent on Rails to the North. I thought the base game was way too limiting with deliveries and Rails to the North just gives you more options so you don't just get screwed over by having to deliver to the same place again. I guess I am the odd one out that never wants to play the base game by itself. Won by 30 points in the last four player game we played. I have not played Argentina or New Zealand yet.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

You are not odd man out just different opinions! It’s awesome that you love it and are kicking everyone’s butt 😂😁 Thanks for letting us know how much you like it!

@garylaframboise2721 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for a great video! I picked up the 2nd edition so I could play solo. Still don't have Rails to the North. I passed on Argentina but considering picking up New Zealand especially as I don't have Rails to the North. After watching this video, definitely will be picking up the game. Your other video of New Zealand was excellent and started the push to getting it. Take care

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Well I hope you like it as we do !! Thanks for watching and joining the conversation! - Brad

@freeheeler00 10 месяцев назад

Great. You all pretty much just talked me into getting all three after recently playing Argentina. I'm glad I figured it out just fine. That makes me think I'm a better Euro gamer than I realized. lol

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

I am sure you are!!!’ Sorry to your wallet though 😂 Thanks as always for watching and commenting!!! - Brad

@DicepairGames 10 месяцев назад

First time I see your content and I don't know what to think about this whole analysis because I LOVE Great Western Trail with Rails to the North and would always play with it if possible (no new players). I think Rails to the North rounds the base game in such a great way. It "balances" the game more and gives you more interesting choices. With that said, I just can't blindly trust in your judgement about the other two which I'm yet to play 😵. Either way, thanks a lot for this video and keep the sound effects coming XD.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

You will love them if you like 2nd and Rails! Thanks for watching and sharing!!!

@mdmccu2 10 месяцев назад

Enjoyed the video. My rankings are: 1) New Zealand 2)2nd w/RTTN 3) Argentina 4) 2nd

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Awesome! Thank you for sharing your thoughts 👍😁 thanks for watching as well much appreciated !

@feliperodrigues8273 10 месяцев назад

I can only keep one because I already have a lot of games and I wont have time to play all 3 GWTs, so I decided to keep GWT 2nd edition and I will be buying Rails to the North someday as it seems to connect more with me and my wife. I usually prefer specialization over sandbox/lot of different paths and GWT 2nd edition also seems to be a little more interactive because of the buildings, taxes, paths etc. I also don't like the idea of joker tiles for workers as I enjoy the competition for them. There are some other changes like this that makes me think it's gonna be a little more solitaire and very sandboxy, not my style. All 3 seems to be amazing games, but 2nd edition is my cup of tea and the fact it's faster, more streamlined makes me think it's gonna hit the table more often for me.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Awesome, I think those points are solid reasons to pick 2nd over the others. Thanks for watching and being apart of the conversation it is greatly appreciated 😁 - Brad

@konikniov7069 10 месяцев назад

Great video again! I went and bought the second edition as a game that is more easy to play , and because is less complex than the other two. After this video I will definitely buy and the New Zealand as the most complex-balanced-overall good game.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

I think as you play second a fee times then play New Zealand you Will appreciate the differences!!! Thanks for the complement and for watching!!! 😊 - Brad

@fredericbarbe 10 месяцев назад

I liked Argentina better than the original because of the 4th strategy that really opened the game up. I’m now very excited for New Zeland 😁

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Just realize Argentina is heavier than New Zealand. But we love how NZ flows and plays.

@williamkremer7382 10 месяцев назад

Feel free to hate on me but the fact that your BGG ratings differ from the games you actually want to play hints at weight snobbery to me. It’s obvs you both love the last one the best so just rate it the highest! That said, this is a useful vid. I don’t have any of these games, have never played them. But for whatever reason I have watched you guys talk about them for about four hours. I think I know I won’t enjoy Argentina. I’m tempted by the first game but by Brad’s facial expressions when talking about the train I infer that the New Zealand game is the most elegant. Elegance is a big factor for me in games, maybe the main factor - so I reckon I’ll go for that. I’m interested to know which iteration brad’s wife, the one that wears Victorian clothes, likes best?

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

No hate from us 😅 Aura likes Castles of Burgundy and Obsession vs playing cowboys lol. Maybe of they had victorian trail hmmmmm 😂 Thanks for watching so much content though much appreciated and thanks for commenting!!! All options welcome!

@williamkremer7382 10 месяцев назад

@@BadatBoardgames Because of your videos I kickstarted both the sexed up version of CoB and Botany. Neither of which I have played yet

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Very cool well I hope you like them like we do!!!

@facundolamelas3630 10 месяцев назад

Great video as always!! Sadly none of these 3 are available in my country (Argentina), so when I went to the us last month I bought the Argentina version. Hope I’ve done a good choice. It’s the hardest of the 3, but I also know that I won’t be able to buy any of the others 2 version for a while.. and I was afraid that the 2nd ed or nz would seem too easy for me, and that would leave me with the need of more. If I’ve seen this video before I probably would buy the Nz. Anyways It's no use crying over spilt milk 😂

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

You will like it and if you like heavy games it’s a winner! Can’t go wrong with any of these 😁 - Brad

@uxjared 10 месяцев назад

The great thing about Argentina is it leans into the race and the feeling of the race. Those ships are going, going, gone so speedy delivery is the focus (which is really the focus of all of them, its just more apparent). I definitely need to play New Zealand though because the deck building and openness sounds so fun.@@BadatBoardgames

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

@@uxjared very true you have to catch that ship Or miss out!!

@facundolamelas3630 10 месяцев назад

@@BadatBoardgames thanks Brad! I think that heavier games are more likely what I look for!

@facundolamelas3630 10 месяцев назад

@@uxjared totally! I think that the deck building aspect is the best part of New Zealand too.

@jasonpmathew 10 месяцев назад

I understand there are some pretty significant differences between the three games, but is it really worth owning all three? I’m planning to just buy New Zealand, but am I missing out by only having the one? Also interested in your thoughts about Maracaibo compared to GWT.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Try GWT second ed on BGA if you have it. Argentina would only be if you are wanting a heavier 4.0 weight euro. No one needs all three we have become fan boys. Hopefully you will enjoy NZ as we do.

@ethanbarton 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for the thoughts! I appreciated how you nuanced your rankings to help us understand. Do you think you rated NZ so high because it's the newest and it's still exciting?

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

No I feel the mechanics blend so well together and there seems to actually be more ways to win. 2nd edition really feels like a cow driven VP game and harder to win with other strata. I like the separation of the worker costs vs the bonus costs. Just a cleaner game almost would use the word elegant.

@TabletopTurtle 10 месяцев назад

Which one would you say plays best at two players?

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

I likes New Zealand I think best when Toph and I played.

@ryanlohman4922 10 месяцев назад

I have Argentina in my collection. Is it worth grabbing New Zealand? Or is it not much different?

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Very different and I would say yes. Without the ships going away from port and the train. It also adds sheering sheep and other tracks so we like all three and I can say you would probably feel they are very different games.

@ryanlohman4922 10 месяцев назад

Good to know! Looks like New Zealand will be on my list to get.

@judgemario 10 месяцев назад

I like Rails to the North and prefer to play GWT with it. I enjoy the branchlets and the options it adds. I think I’m going to get New Zealand. It looks different enough from the others that I’d like a copy.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Awesome! I do think NZ plays different enough that you will enjoy it! Thanks for watching and commenting 😁 Brad

@iggyflop3777 10 месяцев назад

GWT NZ is great for solo ?

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

We have not had a chance to play it solo yet sorry 😢

@craigandrews7544 4 месяца назад

Any updates gents?

@BadatBoardgames 4 месяца назад

No sorry Craig not sure we will get it soloed sadly

@thelaurencefamily 9 месяцев назад

Winston salem shirt. Is that where you are from?

@BadatBoardgames 9 месяцев назад

We are in GSO

@thelaurencefamily 9 месяцев назад

@@BadatBoardgames I live in Lewisville. Other side of Winston

@BadatBoardgames 9 месяцев назад

Yep very familiar with it 😃 we may have to get a game one of these day 🤘

@thelaurencefamily 9 месяцев назад

@@BadatBoardgames sound good! You getting voidfall?

@BadatBoardgames 9 месяцев назад

@@thelaurencefamily no passed on that got the other one that was out at the same time name escapes me at the moment.

@christaggart5687 10 дней назад

I literally don’t get the massive change in opinion for Rails to the North. Just because a new iteration of a game comes along and implements things differently should not be an indicator in such a massive drop off. Preference to play one over the other? Sure. But such denigration? Odd

@BadatBoardgames 10 дней назад

Well I just don’t like it think it feels clunky but just my opinion others like it

@christaggart5687 10 дней назад

@@BadatBoardgames respect

@robcannon 10 месяцев назад

But I like trains...

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Something for everyone... 😂

@rockjunk1 10 месяцев назад

牛🐮

@GameGeek007 10 месяцев назад

Just don't classify all 3 as a single number when you do your rankings, I think that's unfair.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

What do you mean? BGG rating ? We did have variations but they are all lik 9, 9.5 and 10 or did you mean something else?

@GameGeek007 10 месяцев назад

@@BadatBoardgames example: top 100 list, all 3 at number 22.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Ahh got it that is good to know I get conflicted with the bgg top 100 when the same game is like on there multiple times but you are Right these are different enough to deserve their own spot. Thanks for sharing and helping me understand what you meant!!! Much appreciated 😁 - Brad

@paolodenapoli7823 9 месяцев назад

GWT 1st edition is still the best, including the box cover!

@BadatBoardgames 9 месяцев назад

No school like the old school 😁

@Oaklestat 10 месяцев назад

I like the series but they are not heavy games.

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for enjoying this series much appreciated!!!! So technically they are medium heavy but for most people they would call these heavy as they are close to a 4 weight. Just don’t want people thinking it’s like lost ruins of arnak 😂

@Oaklestat 10 месяцев назад

@@BadatBoardgames maybe but thats using inaccurate bgg ratings. I wouldnt say any of them are much higher that 3.0. Maybe 3.2 max

@BadatBoardgames 10 месяцев назад

@@Oaklestat well I guess I think of them more as 3.5 - 4.0. Doesn’t make either of us right or wrong just our individual scale 👍😁

@jasonpmathew 10 месяцев назад

BGG has them as 3.7, 3.8, and 3.9 respectively. I think many gamers (myself included) consider anything 3.5 or higher leaning to heavy vs medium so I’m with the guys on this one.