Battle of the Mini Calibers: 22 Mag / 22 TCM / 5.7x28 Review 

Psa is releasing a new series of dagger and rock compact and rock Modular’s like the dagger showed them on shot show

Try the smith $ wesson 5.7 it has almost no recoil for the power it transfers its a gas operated pistol plus if you have trouble pulling the slid back it's so much easier !

I’ve lost use of most of my left hand and the fiveseven is perfect for me

Something I was surprised Sootch did not mention is that if the three, the Rock Island .22 TCM is the only one that is really reloadable at home. The .22 WMR is a rimfire. There is a way to reload it, but most people don't know that method exists and the tool is not available except by ordering from a custom precision machine shop. The 5.7 FN operates at 50,000 p.s.i. and requires staked primers; that has to be done at the manufacturer and cannot be redone. The .22 TCM brass can be made, usually _is_ made, by necking down.223 Remington /5.56 brass. Bullets for it are easily available because it uses bullets intended for old varmint and small game cartridges of similar velocity, like the .218 Bee, Super Bee, and .221 Remington Fireball. Second point, while only Rock Island Armory makes factory pistols for the .22 TSM, they sell conversions for existing 1911 owners. There are barrel makers like Lake City that make custom barrels for other .45's, like Glock and Springfield XD-M. Also, there is a version of the .22 TCM, .22 TCM v.2, that fits in 9mm Luger magazines. Custom barrels for that are widely available for every common 9mm handgun. The difference is that with the shorter case and shorter overall length, it cannot load heavier 45- and 50-grain bullets like the full size, and it has a little bit less powder capacity so its velocity matches the 5.7 FN so those two are equal in performance.

@@davidgoodnow269…22tcm brass is not 9mm necked down….it is based on 5.56/223 brass.

Nah. An honest politician is the rarest thing in the world! If any are found - they die early. Just like those african presidents that rejected covid vaccines!

Amen

You ever heard of the internet?

*That's why it uses 9mm Luger brass. Anyone with a reloading press can neck fired 9mm brass down to make .22 TCM cases.* There's even a .22 TCM v.2 that is limited to 9mm Luger length--you could think of it as a 7.65 Luger necked down to 5.56--and custom barrels for that are widely available for a little more than $100. So if you already have a Glock, or an XD, or a S&W, firing 9mm and want to try .22 TCM, it's easy; buy a Lyman Hand Press and the case dies, a priming tool, and a powder scale, and you're set to begin for about $150 even if you've never reloaded before! R.I.A. sells the dies, I think they're made by RCBS. *Keep in mind, the .22 TCM and .22 TCM v.2 can be formed by the same dies, but the v.2 uses a shorter case and shorter overall length limiting it to 40-grain bullets and less powder. It's equal to the 5.7 FN, instead of the higher velocity you see in this video.*

I've never had a problem. All my local shops have it. During the pandemic it was a godsend bc no one else really has one. Was in my lgs this week and it was sitting out with the shotgun shells and not behind the counter with everything else. Had it in 50 and 100rd boxes, but it's like 50cent a shot so..

Yes it was, very informative, I'd still go with .22 mag for availability and cost. (Both ammunition and guns)

Yes, thank you Sir !!!

thing is a LASER POINTER

TCM has been around quite a while, if they don't have it they may not pick it up.... I'd suggest looking around. Cabelas has the ammo.... the only place I know to get the firearm is gun broker and like websites. They're +/-$750

The 22tcm 1911 originally came with a conversion kit to shoot 9mm or 22tcm also... something to look out for if u buy 1

If you already have a 1911, Rock Island Armory sells a .22 TCM conversion kit. If you have a Glock, Smith & Wesson, or Springfield XD, there are custom barrel makers like Lake City that sell conversion barrels. Make sure you know if you are buying a barrel for .22 TCM or for .22 TCM v.2 because the first is for .45 A.C.P. frames and the second is for 9mm Luger pistols! .22 TCM v.2 matches the 5.7 FN performance with the same bullet weights, at lower pressure. The original .22 TCM is significantly more powerful, intended to match the Chinese PLA 5.8×22 military pistol cartridge. Created for the Philippines Navy and Coast Guard, who get shot at by the Chinese military on the daily. [O.K., not on the daily _lately,_ but when the TCM was designed. Then again, it may still be happening since Duarte was succeeded by Marcos, Jr. and I'm just out of the loop.] Also . . . forgive the cut-and-paste from a different comment reply: Something I was surprised Sootch did not mention is that if the three, the Rock Island .22 TCM is the only one that is really reloadable at home. The .22 WMR is a rimfire. There is a way to reload it, but most people don't know that method exists and the tool is not available except by ordering from a custom precision machine shop. The 5.7 FN operates at 50,000 p.s.i. and requires staked primers; that has to be done at the manufacturer and cannot be redone. The .22 TCM brass can be made, usually _is_ made, by necking down 9mm Luger brass. Bullets for it are easily available because it uses bullets intended for old varmint and small game cartridges of similar velocity, like the .218 Bee, Super Bee, and .221 Remington Fireball. Second point, while only Rock Island Armory makes factory pistols for the .22 TSM, they sell conversions for existing 1911 owners. There are barrel makers like Lake City that make custom barrels for other .45's, like Glock and Springfield XD-M. Also, there is a version of the .22 TCM, .22 TCM v.2, that fits in 9mm Luger magazines. Custom barrels for that are widely available for every common 9mm handgun. The difference is that with the shorter case and shorter overall length, it cannot load heavier 45- and 50-grain bullets like the full size, and it has a little bit less powder capacity so its velocity matches the 5.7 FN so those two are equal in performance.

PSA Rock does a far better job at that.

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I shot mine this weekend…EAA fs p conversion….functioned flawlessly….muzzle blast impressive.

If i could choose only 2 semi-auto pistols to defend my life and my property, my choices would be the Beretta 92FS in 9x19mm and a Glock 21 in 45 ACP.

Just wasted powder that’s not contributing to velocity- looks cooler a night😮

The chronograph tells the story, the 22 TCM is clearly the most lethal of the ammunition tested. Maybe Sootch could get a box of Elite Ammunition T6B 5.7x28 and show his subscribers the real capabilities of the 5.7 currently going for $3 a rd. But just like the 460 Rowland these aren’t for plinking. I’ve shot them out of a FN57 and a PS90 and they’re no joke.

I was watching an episode of "sons of guns" sometime in the late 00s and they did an episode where they built a 3D printed clamshell of a FN P90 and put the guts of a 10/22 in it with bayonet and suppressor. They were inspired by Max Brooks' (son of Mel Brooks) book world war z and he shot it against a standard Armilite chambered in .556 against "zombies" and he chose the ".22 P90" for ease of use, no recoil, handling and-as you alluded to-ease of carrying a ton of ammo and it's availability. It was .22lr, but I think this still fits. I always associate the 5.7x28 with playing the first Splinter Cell on Nintendo GameCube because the FN FiveseveN was Sam Fisher's gun! Happy Easter. Forgotten Weapons did a video on an Armilite clone chambered for that caliber too.

Masochists would love the 5000 rounds 45 acp. They will be moaning from point A to point B. I'd take the 22LR. Hahahahaha.

The SS190 " Black Tip" Projectile is designated as Armor Piercing (AP) ammunition, designed to penetrate body armor. The SS190 bullet has a steel penetrator and an aluminum core.

​@@PhilJLF Still, .22 TCM max loads reach 200+ FPS higher velocity than the fastest 5.7x28. 40gr .22TCM reach 2,800 FPS out of 16" carbine, a 16" brl 5.7x28 =2,450-2,500 FPS

​@@PhilJLFbasic loads, 1:1 the TCM beats it. Armscor only makes the 1 basic load for the TCM. If another company worked the load hotter then you could compare different rounds.

@@wizkaqueefa9003you’re talking about FPS but not other and arguably more important factors like expansion

​@wizkaqueefa9003 he's talkin REAL 5.7 loads and wicked bullet design as in like elite ammo and vanguard not the watered down overpriced crap on shelves .. Which elite has a few that are 2400 fps out of a pistol ...now throw that in same 16" barrel

​@@davidkloss2883and yet not 1 other load exists for the tcm...tcm hasn't even natod ..youd think other countries would be investing in the development of tcm loading and design ...hmm

Very impressive, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm glad you were satisfied.

Same here. Love everything I see about 5.7, but can't justify owning one due to high ammo prices.

I have a Ruger Fifty-Seven and absolutely love it, but I almost always shoot .22 instead. A full .22 magazine is the same price as one 5.7 round

Up toward 2800FPS out of rifle length barrels is what I have heard. Do not quote me, though.

What's the point of that though? Might as well just go 5.56 at that point.

@@ChrisG1392 people have been using 22lr forever \_( ‘-‘)_/ just was wondering is all

In a rifle length barrel a tcm is the equivalent of a 22k hornet. A 40gr at 2800-3000 fps. Wirks great on foxes for fur or other critters you would use a hornet on, it is easier to reload than a hornet as you can cut down 223 brass to make it..

@@ChrisG1392 22 tcm lighter than 5.56mm still. And although not designed for intermediate ranges - saw a guy hit a rabbit or something 350 yards not meters with just iron sights if I remember correctly.

The 22mag has been a popular hog hunting round in fl for years. Especially traped hogs. All most everyone i know that traps uses a 22 mag most in hand guns. I have been using the federal fmj load for over 30 years It works wonders out of a single6

@@tbjtbj4786 I guy I knew in Florida used a .22 Mag rifle for hogs. Said he used to shoot them in the head or lower rib cage. We used to hunt near Kenansville, south of St Cloud.

@@wes326 i am up in the panhandle hunted alot near tates hell back when it was buckeye and around lake Seminole in Jackson County around the swamps on the fl side and on the little island in it and Apalachicola River. You would be surprised how many hogs get on the little island in those rivers

@@wes326 as far as the shots on the traped hogs head shots. I never had a problem with the fmj I would take a lung or heart shot on the lose ones. On those I like the 50gr hp But I really prefer a 45 colt or 44 for the ones running around

@@tbjtbj4786 Damn straight! A .22 rifle like the old Marlin and Winchester .22 WMR lever guns is a _fine_ walking-around rifle, especially if you leave enough room so you can load a CCI shotshell for snakes! But a _boar_ decides to eat your legs, you're going to want a 1911, Glock 20 or 21, and some spare magazines for his kin! Nice call!

I’ve been looking for any of these. I can’t find them anywhere

The main issue with it however is that Armscor doesn’t make one with threaded barrel options. Imagine putting a 5.56 cannon this.

Nice buy!

@@davidgoodnow269 I think CDNN still has the sig 38 super barrels, but they have increased in price to $49. These barrels WILL NOT fit regular 1911. They will fit most all the 1911s made for ramped barrel though. The 1911 also needs to have 9mm cut slide. I have a Para Ordnance 40 SW. I want to see if the 38 super barrel will work in a .40/10mm slide. It might. The 22 TCM is obnoxiously loud. Very similar to 30 carbine in a revolver. Double hearing protection required. I use amplified muffs over 29dB foam plugs.

@@mesauer Good point on ear protection! Thanks too for both tips, price and compatibility, on the barrel!

1600 dollars for the polymer version and 40 s&w or 10mm conversion. 7500 for the metal version

No. It's derived from 223 not 9mm. Ask RIA.

Gun probably wasn't fired past break in period. If you still have the gun. Fire above 600 rounds from it. If it still jams - then it is the firearm. Call customer service.

Hell, I'd call R.I.A. customer service now! I have three friends who shoot .22 TCM, no complaints from any of them! The bottle-neck case prevents most jams common to 1911's, just like 7.62 Tokarev when you convert to that from .38 Super! Are you limp-wristing your pistol? That causes the grip safety to interfere and jam all the time, except with light-weight .45's like the aluminum-frame Officer's Model. I'm the only person I know that cannot get through five rounds from a Ruger Mark II without a jam, too!

Freedom munitions has some american eagle for 66 cpr right now

more like 5.56 vs 7.62x39

I have one and the cases stick. It's an awesome cartridge. Needs refinement.

I just bought 9mm for 22 cents a round x1000… the internet is your friend

@@AllTheDips May I ask where from? And what was the shipping like?