Battle of the stock Shelby GT500s! 2020 CFTP vs. 2013 street races - rolling and from dig! 

It was a damn good time! In a straight line, they aren’t too terribly far apart. The 13/14 GT500 is a fantastic Mustang!

I know it all too well haha! She is monstrous

But for the price of a gt500 in 2020 to what a 2013 gt500 still 2019 best looking and best performance for your money hands down

@@inkedBc That would be your personal opinion, Kind sir. 13-14 are the best, in my personal opinion.

@@DeTRoiTZxFiNeST any s197, they still look like muscle cars

I love them both but thinking a 14 Shelby at approx 50K and then 2-3K in mods would that level the playing field for roll races. I am sure there will be a video at some point on youtube just can't find that one yet..LOL

I found the video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qVcWD2GBeOg.html

@@williamc4353 You can mod an S197 GT500 to hang with a 2020 in a straight line race.

@@williamc4353 ha ha, that’s the exact video I had in mind!

Thank you!

Thanks Tony! Your GT sounds badass!

These cars are so much fun!

That would be AWESOME! The only time I was on the autobahn, I was in a big blue 44-pax Air Force bus doing about 50 mph. Driving one of these cars there would be a thrill!

We had a lot of fun that day!

It sounds better too imo than that coyote based predator engine. The older gt500s were cool because they had a badass manual trans and they had their own engine the old school mod motor doing their own thing and still making big power not just being coyote based like everything else is now. I prefer the older ones I actually prefer 07-12 over 13-14 for the money with a blower swap they can move out just as well.

Congrats on your 14! Great car! I have a garage full of manual Mustangs and have always been a “manual only” guy. The 2020 DCT is a game changer and I’m now a HUGE fan!

@@ShelbyFlyer My wife just bought a new 2020 gt premium track pack with the 10 speed auto. I was very impressed.i cudnt believe it.i cant imagine that DCT! I was use to the automatic in the old foxbodys. Lol

I had an '04 Cobra! I didn't think it had brakes:)

I bet that was a world of difference between those two cars.

I feel like everything is probably just better on the new ones, especially when you go back two platforms. I've owned three SN95 cars. They all felt archaic, even in the mid-2000s when they weren't that old yet. Makes sense too. The fox platform dated back to the late 70s. It was kind of a relic when the SN95 came out lol. Still sexy to look at, sounded amazing, and fun as hell though.

Hell YES Jeff! Your car weighs less and has more torque. The ability of the 20 to crack-off shifts while staying in boost is a serious advantage. All-in-all it was a frigg’n amazing day! I had a blast brotha! Thanks for playing. 🤟

No cooling mods I assume ??? That’ def changes things especially with the 13/14

@@mach183 Correct! Ford engineered heat soak out of the 2020, but the S197 GT500s have that problem. Good news for Jeff though was it was only in the low 60s. My Whippled 2011 runs about 30 degrees above ambient (IAT2) until you hit boost. Then it heat soaks even with an upgraded heat exchanger.

@@mach183 Nope. All stock.

@@jeffskaggs2410 nice

Thanks! Are you on FordGT500.com?

@@ShelbyFlyer just joined

@@sbsperformanceparts2652 Make an intro/hello post. I am Goose17 there. See you online.

Thanks! Yes we did.

He has more of a fighting chance with that setup, but most likely will be plagued with heat soak after a couple pulls.

vmp heat exchanger fixed heat soak in the 13/14 my iat2s go from 120 down to 95 in less than a min of cruising

Awesome car David!

@@ShelbyFlyer thanks man, that was a great race !! 👍

14 is ruby red. 13 is red candy metallic

Indeed the 2020 is a thirsty girl! I burned through a tank of gas and had to fill up again before getting back home.

Congrats on the kick ass vert!

Congrats on your 21! 🤟

@@ShelbyFlyer Thank you bro! I’ve been following your channel really enjoying it! Love your CFTP beautiful car! Hope it’s doing good after the accident at the track?

@@94turbotoy Thank you sir! I’ve had a few track days since the mishap. The car is mostly good… just a couple things remain to address. I need a passenger door and rocker… hoping to find them off a Rapid Red donor car.

@@ShelbyFlyer Glad your car is doing good! Hopefully you find a donor car and get those needed parts🤞🏻

It would definitely get to high speed more quickly. The DCT in the 2020+ is hard to overcome.

Awesome! Congrats elijah! Are you on the GT500 forum? www.FordGT500.com

@@ShelbyFlyer not yet, kinda a lone wolf but I do check the forums when I run into trouble while putting parts on.

@@Gthere-cs3ow I run the forum as “Goose17.” Holler there if you have any questions of need an assist.

@@ShelbyFlyer oh yes I have questions. Like I'm comming from the n/a gt world I'm used to running 4:10 gears. I hear when it comes to s/c cars I should go 3:73. Being this car was made to go over 200mph which I highly doubt I'll ever see on the roads, I live from light to light. So in your opinion which would you go for? And what other mods would you suggest. Other than of course the basics

@@Gthere-cs3ow The above GT500 has a whole performance mods section that would be a good read. For your car, I recommend a pulley/intake/tune. If you still want gears (many do), go with 3:73s.

For the money, I believe the 13/14 GT500 remains one of the best bang for your buck cars available. They do seem to be getting a little harder to find with low miles and in stock form, but they are out there! Thanks!

@@jeffskaggs2410 for the money you’re better off boosting a 15-20 GT, but if you want that Shelby name from what I’ve heard from people who build them and some tuners the 11-12 5.4 GT500 seems to have more overhead. But the 13-14 does look much better with the dark tails and quad tips.

@@169abr that is truth

The DCT in the 2020 is absolutely AMAZING!

Well said Richard! The 13/14 is a great car. So is my Whippled 2011 GT500. The 2020 is on another level... it does everything well.

True, but this was a stock vs. stock battle. Both cars can be easily modded for more power.

@@ShelbyFlyer that would be a fun fact if the both had 662 or they both had 760 a whole 98 hp plus a dct. Na let that trinity get some air

@@ranware2779 If they both had the same drivetrain, the nod would go to the lighter car.

Thank you very kindly! Well said on your synopsis!

Thank you somebody who understands the builds of the cars

I highly recommend driving a 2020+ if you get a chance. The DCT is a different animal and is absolutely fantastic! It’s not like a torque converter automatic. Also, technically the last Shelby made was a 2022. I don’t buy into this or that is or isn’t a real Shelby. It’s a silly debate.

Success! My plan worked!

The new car is loaded with amazing tech. You have to get used to the new stuff an use it to your advantage. I was a “manual trans always” guy until I got to experience the awesomeness of the DCT! It has converted many die hard manual guys after driving it.

If the others are autos, they have an advantage over your 08.

You could then say the same with the 2020... add a pulley/intake/tune. This was a pure stock vs. stock matchup.

@@ShelbyFlyer I know it was stock for stock great video and yes doing those same mods to the 2020 would change the outcome, the 13/14 shelby's with those 3 mods intrigues me because those 3 mods bring the 13/14 HP in range of the 2020 but with more TQ and I think they are lighter then the new Shelby but the 2020 shifts so fast compared to any manual was wondering if it could still hold off a lightly modded 13/14 doing a roll race?

@@williamc4353 hell NO he knows it just wont admit it its already up a 98hp has a dct and new tech trinit has 0 of that give it those regular bolt ons and he wouldnt be talkin that razzle

Thanks Mike!

You are wise beyond your years. If I had this much hp at 16, I wouldn’t be here today. I have a couple New Edge Mustangs (00R & Mystichrome Terminator vert). Love me some New Edge!

@@ShelbyFlyer I drive a 04 5.4 f150(no power lol) just torque. When I get a new edge I wanna build a Na set up. 4.10s fbo, cammed, 93 or e85. I know they won’t run with 5.0s but they will beat fat Rts and boats, Chevys ect. 300+whp in a small car with short gears should scoot very well. Na cars are more impressive, banging gears and the exhaust screaming making old people mad😂my dream

@@user-mk4se3nu5z I have a 5.4 F150 as well. Good trucks!

@@ShelbyFlyer plus the 4.6s and 5.4s have good torque curves. I’m sure that helps the 4.6 hold it’s weights better than it should

@@ShelbyFlyer also if u ever wanna sell one of those new edges let me know. I’ve been saving for one still got a while to go but just time

Thanks! If you mean my car, it is called Rapid Red.

I agree Dave. The 07-14 GT500 feels very much like old school muscle and the 2020+ GT500 feels more exotic.

If we are throwing mods into the mix, then the 2020 could easily be at 1100 wheel hp. This was a stock vs. stock matchup.

With IRS and magneride suspension, the 2020+ GT500 is very sure-footed. This is a big change from the S197 GT00.

The 4S tires are absolutely fantastic! My base 2020 had them (sold). I’ve also done many many passes on the drag strip as well as 2 days of road course racing on 4S tires. I highly recommend them!

Yep, the 4Ss work really well! You won’t regret buying them. Congrats on the low-mile ‘14!

@@ShelbyFlyer thnx. I had been thinking R888r’s but can only get stock size for the rears. From what I’m seeing you guys were hitting it pretty hard and the ‘13 wasn’t going sideways. Been a big help - thnx again

@@jeffskaggs2410 thnx I think you’ve both convinced me. Btw - your ‘13 is beautiful - of course I’m biased. I switched out from a GT350. As perfect as the handling was - I’m finding the GT500 to be more exciting to drive. Thnx again for weighing in.

I have the older R888 tires on the back of my 2011 GT500. They have great traction, but are quite noisy. We had great traction the day of the race mainly because we were on etched concrete freeways. It’s a different story on older asphalt.

The new 500 has some tech you have to manage properly. I was pretty new to the car back when I filmed this.

I was a diehard manual Mustang dude... I have 8 in my garage and made sure my two sons got one as their first car. The DCT has changed me... it is that awesome! 🤟

It's not just an option it was the only option on those (the manual) and a badass manual it is. Gotta have that driver mod to make those cars see max potential unlike the new car.

You want a video of the wing and trunk lid at speed? I did this video of a problem with the design: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H7PPtLGiS80.html

@@ShelbyFlyer yes at speed. I seen your video of the water issue. I’m curious how much the deck lid squats at high speeds due to the aero weight.

I suspect there wouldn’t be any movement and if there was any flexing whatsoever, it would be difficult to pick that up with a camera.

Looks like a lot of fun though! Haha

I am well aware of the different modes. I used drag and track modes throughout the day.

If you are talking mods, the 2020 handles 1100 wheel hp no problem. This was a stock vs. stock comparison.

@@ShelbyFlyer i know that. What I'm saying if the 13-14 GT500 had 760hp like the new one, roll racing i think the 13-14 would win.

I have a video on my channel where I compared/contrasted my 2011 GT500 that has a 2.9 Whipple and 750 crank horsepower to my 2020 GT500. If they have the same power, the 2020 still dominates on every level. The transmission, suspension and grip are tough to beat.

@@ShelbyFlyer the 2011 GT500 doesnt even shift as well as the 2013 GT500.I saw that video,you coudnt even shift good in that car.I am a FORD guy,and the new GT500 is fine,BUT like i said before with equal power,i think the 13-14 would win,especially on the top end with that 331 gear.

@@drfaticus The ability of the 20 to hit 80 milliseconds shifts while staying in boost gives it a huge advantage. I raced a 2013 Super Snake with a roughly 850hp built motor and a 3.6L KB... it wasn’t even close! He didn’t have the traction that Jeff’s car had though.

The dig races were all in Drag Mode with launch control. I didn’t adjust the launch RPMs... I checked later and it was set to 1900. What RPMs work depend on the surface. We had excellent traction on etched concrete. I probably could have gone a couple hundred higher, but 1900 did work well. Traction control was on, which is required with launch control.

If you ever get a chance to drive a 2020, you’ll understand. It’s crazy awesome! I was a diehard manual Mustang guy prior to my 2020. The DCT makes the car!

@@ShelbyFlyer that’s probably fair but it just removes 1 more link man and machine racing in harmony. Or maybe I’m just getting old lol

@@kimasher1 The CFTP that I have really shines on the track. We were just doing straight-line runs in this video. On the track, this thing is insanely awesome (and fun)!

Not sure what you mean…?

@@ShelbyFlyer i mean what was just displayed mf 2013 got dusted in looks and performance

@@derrickhead it costs like half the price. Looks are subjective I prefer the older one. You have to actually know how to drive to go fast in one unlike the new one a grandma could drive that car fast. The older one makes better torque and it sounds alot better too.

@@midnight347 sound might be the only thing I need to hear it again and shoot we need safer cars thats a good think them older mustangs the reason they have such a bad rep of killing people in crowds but I like all the mustangs accept the 2004s to like 92 or what they are ugly af and can't even see

Don’t knock the 2020 until you try it... it is an absolutely AMAZING vehicle! I still have my 750hp Whippled 2011 GT500. This new one is light years better than my 11.

@@ShelbyFlyer yea in tech not "MUSTANGS ARE FOR".... do you see your vids you're doing runs drag racing things not sports car things it maybe light years with cpu gadgets but its still just an over hyped s550 a10 mustangs are running the dct down.... "in my opinion" ford should have made a race ready manual version with 0 tech nobody would gravitate to the dct unless its someone old or cant use their legs or what not your gt500 with cpu delete auto delete manual swap would destroy your car with ease my man the 11 would do it in as well die hard as well as im but truth is truth

@@ranware2779 Sounds to me like you have zero experience in the new 500. I highly recommend driving one... you’ll see for yourself how insane it is for a factory car with a warranty!

@@ShelbyFlyer you're right but i have been in the 10spd and drove a 19zl1 so i know a thing or 2 im no auto man in anyway i dont cheer for that side yea auto may win races but there is nothin like seeing an auto gettin beat by a guy with a true manual transmission just a much much sweeter/better experience "my opinion" that is

@@ranware2779 I don’t care for automatic equipped Mustangs. I absolutely LOVE this DCT equipped Mustang! It is not like an auto... it is a different animal. Go drive one.

Yes you can, but you want the gear pre-selected, which times out after awhile.

Boeing 767.

@@ShelbyFlyer All right, I am an aviation buff myself.

Correct… in all modes other than track mode. The car was pretty new to me at the time of this video.

Traction control was on. Track mode loosens it up though.

A couple points: #1. This car is not a “Cobra.” The last Cobra was in 2004. #2. Automatics have torque converters... this car does not have a torque converter. This car has a DCT, often found in super cars. Putting a 3rd pedal and a stick in this car would ruin the experience... this thing is EPIC!

@@ShelbyFlyer my bad it not "cobra" it is gt500 then. Maybe ford should stop put those cobra emblem,badge on the car that's misleading. Dct is not automatic it has dual clutch and control by computer so it will "automatic" shift the gear for you. You be able to race the guy and record at the same time that's cool car.

@@lighthouseinthedark1986 Here is an interesting read on the subject: www.fordgt500.com/threads/your-car-is-not-a-cobra-heres-why-cobra-vs-gt500.172914/

@@ShelbyFlyer thanks for the info.

I was new to it and figuring it out. Once I got it down, it’s absolutely amazing! I have a garage full of manual Mustangs including a Whippled 2011 GT500. I’ll take the DCT equipped 2020+ any day… it frigg’n ROCKS!

Both GT500 generations are great cars! Having now spent 4 years in the new one with trips down the drag strip and tons of time at road course tracks, I’ll say the 20-22 is a beast that is good at everything.

Looks are subjective. My 2020 makes my 2011 look dated.

Are you serious!? I'm the '13 owner and I think the 2020 looks better! :)

@@jeffskaggs2410 The S197 GT500 is a sexy beast! My 2011 isn’t going anywhere. The S550 GT500 definitely makes the S197 look dated parked side by side though. The same thing could be said with each successive halo Mustang. I look around my garage... each newer offering outshines the older version, which is good!

A ton of people say similar things. Their opinion won’t change until they experience the new one first hand. It’s usually a jaw-drop moment when they do. Regarding favoring looks of one over the other, it’s opinion and completely subjective. I would not try to convince someone otherwise.

I’ll put you down as a 2013 fan.

The 2020 will have a sizable lead when it hits its 180 mph limiter.

I rolled over 1k miles when we did this yesterday.

Car was new to me at the time… I was still learning it. I’m “well versed” now.

Yes, you can reach me on www.FordGT500.com. Send me a PM there. I am “Goose17.”

@@ShelbyFlyer Tried to respond to your comments. Message said I have exceeded my conversations as a new member. Here's basically what I wrote. Thanks very much for the response. I live in Chattanooga Tn. Flew out of Mia for twenty plus years and finished things out in Dfw commuting out of Chattanooga. So do you think the GT500 would do ok non-tracked just enjoying it on the curvy roads around here and the mountains? That will be my primary use. Also has it been fairly reliable? I know its meant for the track and not for an old guy driving around town but do not like taking my cars to the dealerships for even small problems. My GT350 has been great!

If you make a couple posts on the forum, you’ll be able to send unlimited PMs. I just approved you... it was held up in the forum filter. The cars are excellent on the streets and on the curvy parts! Other than an occasional rare gremlin, the cars have been very reliable. I drive mine HARD! I’ve had zero issues.

@@ShelbyFlyer Great to hear. Not trying to find one is the next battle. Looking for an iconic silver, trac pac with painted stripes or no stripes. Good luck!

@@mklein345 Post messages on the forum as well as the 2020 GT500 Facebook groups letting people know what you are looking for. The sale might come to you! People get contacted behind the scenes quite often in these cases.

You don’t see the point...? Many people were happy to see these cars paired up. Sorry to disappoint you. Congrats on your ‘14... awesome car!

@@ShelbyFlyer All good my man, I'll watch again, thanks for the content.

I honestly think the 2020-2022 GT500 will be the pinnacle of the ICE Mustangs. The future is electric.

Why? What do you know???

That’s why I jokingly said we were in Argentina.

@@ShelbyFlyer oh my bad didn’t hear lol

This is GT500 vs. GT500. Yes, the platform has evolved.

Well, the new ones have a dual clutch transmission now which makes a big difference in acceleration and top end.

You must have only watched the first minute or two.

@@ShelbyFlyer nah, I watched the whole thing, but I commented too early lol

After that whole video, that’s your comment...? I need new sun glasses...? Thanks for the feedback!

To be able to stay in boost while clicking off shifts is a game changer!

@@ShelbyFlyer 👍

I know its not competing with C7 ZR1 , but do you think GT500 would keep up with a 7 speed Vette ZR1 ?

@@sameer4526 The races I have seen online suggests the 500 is faster.

A Demon is 400 pounds lighter? That doesn’t sound right.

@@ShelbyFlyer I think I said that wrong. A stock Demon is roughly 400lbs heavier than my super snake and about 300lbs heavier than my Gt500.As for the automatic having a advantage absolutely. But like I a stock 13 14 is 662hp and it didn't do bad.Now 662 vs 900 is a big difference. But like you said your transmission is so much faster.Honestly I thought you would have killed him.I think both of my super snake's stop incredibly fast but not as fast as your car.As for a road course you probably kill me.I have a friend that was a race car driver at almost the pro level and went for a ride in my coupe super snake and he said a everyday driver will not come close to testing the overall limit of the car vs him driving vs me.My 08 actually has more money and mods into it than my super snake.When Tasca owned it he had his guys put every Ford racing mod on the car possible. I don't know why but he even had the T 56 tranny changed. The transmission alone was 16 grand.It is capable of holding well over 15hundred hp.Nuts.Either way I love my car's and I love yours.

@@ShelbyFlyer One thing of friendly advice I will give you start your car's more often turn everything on heat ac everything. Also for your car's that aren't on a lift stored when you start them move a couple ft.Last summer I took my SS to a car show and on the way there the car seemed like it was shaking. The tires were flat spotted but as I drove it on the way home it went away. For my super snake's. Shelby American put Perelli P zeros on the car's. Well I got a price quote 400bucks a tire.I bet your 2020 are even more than that.Just some friendly advice.

@@ShelbyFlyer Have you been keeping track of our 93 cobras and how they just keep going up in value. I got so lucky buying mine back in 05 for only 17.500bucks with 19thousand miles. I think our Terminators are next to jump in value. I love your collection and definitely your garage. Awesome man.

Sounds like an awesome car Anthony!

Power mods would definitely make you hang with a 2020 in a straight line, once turning and braking is thrown into the mix, it would be a different story. The 2020s are ridiculous on a road course!

More like 100 more horsepower

Yah like I said I have 140 more horse in my 10 900hp super snake.Honestly for the 13 gt500 being completely stock it didn't do bad. I hate to say it the 13 with a few mods it probably win easy. But the 2020 with a few mods it be really fast also.

At the end of the day both cars are very fast.

If the cars both had the same power level, the 20 still destroys it. I have a video on my channel comparing my 750hp 2011 GT500 to my 760hp 2020 GT500... it wasn’t even close!

@@ShelbyFlyer there has to be something wrong with that 11 or the driver is sub par. Put me in a 750 horse 11 I promise a stock 20 won't destroy it. The shifts are slightly quicker than a proper power shift but they're not THAT fast people highly exaggerate the shift speed difference because most people ain't ever seen a manual shifted properly. They can be shifted very very fast where it pretty much sounds like an auto hearing it from the outside you can barely tell the difference. If it don't sound like that you're not shifting fast enough.