Battle of the Zab River, 750 AD ⚔️ Rise of the Abbasids 

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Nice video keep up the good videos.

TY! Big fan of both channel's content!

Love the maps

Thank you sir.

Really agree with you. Thank you HistoryMarche for the authentic history. Loved it 👍

Respect and ...... historical precision. I even feel bad that i get to watch stuff like this for free .

I really respect this man, his channel's videos are not only realistic, their quality is just something rare, and i also love the way he speaks.

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@تشارلز check either here on Kings and Generals, they have it.

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Based Persians

Working on it :)

@@HistoryMarche :D

@@HistoryMarche hey historymarch I have a question of the phalanx unit of Alexander only had a long spear and a small shield when fighting couldn't they easily have been defeated with arrows. Just asking and keep up the good work I love watching your videos

master gamer 11 of 16 ranks of the phalanx would lower their spears at a precise angle to deflect arrow fire onto the ground. Hope that answers the question!

@@mastergamer-zl6zl Also, once the phalanx engaged, enemy arches couldn't fire because they would risk hitting their own troops. The front of the phalanx was also like a death machine because troops couldn't attack because their weapons were usually much shorter.

Wow, thank you!

I agree. I am here because of the voice

Three of his brothers died during the escape. The youngest was just 14 when he got killed. Two of his nephews even rebelled against him after he managed to establish the umayuad emirate. Leaving him no choice but to execute them.

Hey my friend. Actually, as Rhys said above, I'd suggest everyone go watch your video on Abd al-Rahman. No one did a better coverage of him than you tbh.

@@HistoryMarche thanks! I just figured it would be incredible in your style.

Hey flash point! How you doing?

@@andreascovano7742 Doing well! Just hoping to get some time to finish up this next podcast episode.

I guess they'll only show you the battle's details if you sign up for a PhD 😅

@@yub2.045 To be honest. I'm done for that

@@yub2.045 down*

So true

👎🏼 Where are you from ? In Saudi Arabia we studied Details of the battle

but eventually muslim claiphate of ummayad in iberia broke apart right?

@@mynamejeb8743 yes but only centuries later

@Dodadeus More like 300

@Gaylord Fawker and that's what causes them to get defeated like the British were able to take out the sick man divide and conquer

the ummayyade didn't stay in iberia it was the berbers who ruled iberia and influenced it with their culture

কি অবস্থা

@Muntasir Mahmud ভালো

@Muntasir Mahmud আপনি কি এটার সেকেন্ড id??

@Muntasir Mahmud হাসেন কেন

@Moiz Arsalan It is actually from the holy Quran 2:156.

Well, maybe the Umayyads shouldn't get full Frenchmen and decided to headbutt enemy spearmen with the cavalry.

@@hannibalburgers477 This isn't total war, if you look at the Mecadonian expansion into Greece, the Champaion calvary defeated the Theban hoplites from the front.

@@lolasdm6959 If you're talking about Chaeronea, the cavalry which was led by a young Alexander, didn't charge head on into the enemy. He instead let the infantry engage then exploited a gap that formed and charged with the cavalry. More often than not, a head on charge by the cavalry into infantry at the onset of battle is just a fool's venture. Better to hold them in reserve for the critical moment or use them to engage against opposing cavalry.

@@dh3824 Yeah and he still had a contegent of calvarymen engaging the hoplites from the front which allowed him to exploit the gap. No one just yolo charges head on into enemy infantry with calvary without purpose, I don't know why you would imagine anyone being that simple to begin with. Calvary can have many roles, and harrasing the enemy lines before infantry engages is pretty standard practice. I am addressing a misconception that many people have, that calvary vs spears work in the same way irl as they do in total war games.

lol

The black flag of abbasids represent the sadness and revenge for prophet mohamad’s family who were killed by the umayads 70 years earlier, and that was the main cause of people support to the abbasids

@@sindibad6256 nice to know, thanks!

@@sindibad6256 than why did they kill his descendents the allids ??

Ahamedi Hamiyun they made the same thing, but i don’t think that muhamad’s descendent were as good as they were back in early islam

Read history. Muslim armies seem to do nothing better than turn on each other.

@@MarkPelleyTheSnakeHunter Bloodiest wars in the History of Mankind, World War1 and World w War 2 were fought between Christians, followers of Jesus.

@@markheditz5216 I mean the Ottomans were a big part of WW1 but yeah all religions fight amongst each other.

Greed knows no religion. Ottomans were allies of Non-Muslims so it was not a religious war.

@@markheditz5216 look up the Muslim invasion of India, Africa etc etx and you will see that Islam has the bloodiest history. I know. I'm a Muslim and have seen this evidence myself so don't play the racist card in case you were about to.

@Jerry Ren TURK BASICALLY STRONGLY BELIEVE IN ISLAM ......THATS WHY THEY WERE GOOD........LOVE TURK BCS THEY DID A LOT FOR ISLAM

@Jerry Ren how do u know they would have beat the abbasid and not the other way around again ?

@Jerry Ren Nope turks didn't free their asssess from tang..arab who defeated tang

Yup 751 battle of the talas river, Tibetan empire and Abbasid joined forces to defeat tang Chinese stopping Chinese expansion into Middle East area.

Welcome to the channel.

Marwan not Marvan....he's not german....

@@haziqhamed8777 LOL

hahaha the grandfather

True :D

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Yes loved it...Appreciate your efforts👏

@hoc Est bellum it is perfect

Love it! Love to see more similar topic.

@@KHK001 Thank you!The next one is under construction!

Please make videos about Mehmud Ghaznavi.

If tanks can be called as cavalry,then Erwin Rommel is laughing from his grave rn

They didn't play enough video games...

@Elvis Presley Yes- Even if they are armored for that reason like the cataphracts. I think the reason is the wealth, large empires brought, made it's generals & commanders *decadent.*

@@simplechemistryarchives4315 Hahaha.. True.

We see a lot of famous battles where this doesn't work out but a lot of the time, a big cavalry charge will get the enemy to flee and end the battle pretty early. It's similar to "Why do armies use Elephants when it always seem to go against them in famous battles?" Obviously they worked before so commanders kept using them, unaware their adversaries have come up with a counter.

Haha

Tbh that abbasid flag look good as hell its my favorite alongside the Seljuk Turks double headed eagle

@@ahamedihamiyun5927 Yeah, Muslim flags have some awesome looks imo.

@@HistoryMarche indeed but whats you're favorite Ancient flag ? Iam guessing the Roman ones ?

​@@ahamedihamiyun5927 Yeah! They look awesome! Really unique imo.

there was none in the Ummayad Caliphate, most non-Arabs were non-Muslims too, so the Ummayads were not racists at all.

@@NorahAlkhalaf0they were extremely racist and wouldnt even let people convert to islam unless they were arab

Ummayads were racist and bad toward Muslims also​@@NorahAlkhalaf0

​@@NorahAlkhalaf0😂😂😂 بففف

no motivation man

Big Man A We need detox. From dopamine and whatever the hell you are addicted to.

@@ibrahim-bc1eo no he was motivated. Rather, no determination. He did not act on his motivation to remain determined.

@@arrikmontijo3916 well yeah and so the motivation dies out That's a mistake on my part

If you want to be a better person , I suggest that you start by improving your English. "Wanna" is as bad as it comes.

الله هلكه

Haha!

so true

@Kj_mast_er Any living being didn't get on the ships after "hardhome" in season 4 joined the night king army

Thank you kindly.

They established Caliphate of Cordoba.

@@dimiryashfinov7568 True

@@dimiryashfinov7568 Caliphate of Al-Andalus with Cordoba as the capital

Abbasids were also quresh. And Kazan's of Muhammad pbuh .

No one escaped from the Umayyad house except one person, Abd al-Rahman bin Mu’awiyah, who was able to flee to Andalusia and defeated its ruler in his battle, so he was able to establish his emirate, so the Abbasid Caliph Abu Jaafar al-Mansur sent the leader Alaa to the city of Beja in Andalusia to fight Abd al-Rahman there, but Abd al-Rahman managed to defeat him, so he named Abdul Rahman " Falcon of Quriesh "

Bro in the courts of Baghdad

@@baheer156 I was thinking mostly of Dubai in 750 AD....or what would become Dubai

Agent Washington you fockin what? Want Ezio to run in an endless desert for 1400 years? That part of Arabia had no cities dubai was established merely 40 years ago

@@ThePunisher014 I am well aware of that. But Persia once controlled that area, as did the Arab dynasties, like the Ummuyads

@@Alpine1996 There is more of the world that likes them that the MSM portrays. If more of Islamic culture and history was put to film, it could help spread that message

Crete was conquered

@@nirvanic3610 No, not until the 820s.

@@zvpzvp I think your referring to Sicily

@@nirvanic3610 No, Crete was raided, but not conquered in the Umayyad period. The Arab conquests (by different power centres) were fairly contemporary, though the conquest of Sicily took longer time. On the other hand Crete was completely retaken by the Byzantines, while Sicily was lost forever.

@@zvpzvp Rashidun caliphate conquered Crete and Scilly.

An international proverb

Ironically, the abbasids regime taxed the people far more than the Umayyads ever did.

Usa : shaking nervously

What can I say? Dealing with your kind is taxing :)

@@abdullahshah9397 Interesting, why did they tax them more?

What about the Ottoman Empire ? What is it position ?

@@بوفارسبونورا-ص7ه Ottomans would be ranked 26 It was very small compared to these empires

Indeed it’s not the 7th

@محمد رائد InsHaAllah yadkhloona wa ya'taqoona Islam. La na'rufu al Mus'takbal

This Wikipedia page has quite different figures, e.g. the Mongol is a lot smaller there and the Qing a lot bigger (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires). Where did you get your figures from? I'm curious as to which is right, given the size of the differences.

stupidest tactic ever

1000 later ney did the same in waterloo

real battles don't work the same way the ones in total war do but yeah there must have been a valid reason for that

@@floppacultist954 there were all types of manipulations he could have played with the superiority in numbers in his cavalry, and he chose to just charge into spears!! what kind of reason there could have been to make him do that!!

Maybe using heavy disciplined cavarly like templars or teutonic knights to charge frontaly but again its risky

I have a video, the Battle of Talas as well, check it out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cQiFY5x_DrY.html

Die yes Abu Muslim won both battle of Zab and Battle of Talas the 2 most famous battles in Abbasid Caliphate history

Thank you for watching.

@Dumb Nigga then i also love you :)

​@@yub2.045 yes bro i have googled it i knew this

@@yub2.045 its extremely sad how some people still think that 911 was real

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@PAPOO yep 😔

As an Arabian I can reassure you sir that the curved sword existed even before Islam, we used to use it in Wars between tribes and other multiple situations .

​@@abdulazimzarrouq3047 Actually he is right, curved swords were brought by the Turks.

Yes, I will definitely cover Khalid's battles. He's one of the genius tactical minds and there are a lot of battles to cover, so yes.

@@rhysgregson5903 What do you think of Tamerlane? You do not need to be good at fighting at all to be a good leader. Tamerlane was a cripple so he definitely was not a good fighter. Yet he was a brilliant commander.

@@yueying1159 i think Tamerlane always win by deceptions rather good commanding, but yeah indeed he was a great figure in the history

@@HistoryMarche and nader shah?

@@rhysgregson5903 gonna look it up.

see my nhme, it's of pivotal importance

Thank you sir. You are very kind.

Thank you sir.

As is often the case when the people in power fear that the person who brought them to the top might have more rebellious ideas.

It has always been a struggle between the Umayyads house and the Hashemites house ( Abbasid and Alawiy )

بكيفك تخرط؟ جانو صراع ديني هم والعباسيين جانو رافعين رايات يالثارات الحسين ويزور السعودية هي السعودية شبيها ثقافة هي صحراء

@@tkanime-animesongs1864 يامخن'ث الانمي الرافضي ، الا تعلم ان علمائك يكفرون العباسيين لدعوتهم لانفسهم ولان ابوجعفر المنصور قتل امامك الباقر او الصادق

@@tkanime-animesongs1864 شبيها السعودية؟ روح شوف اقرب عراقي واساله هل السعودية بيها شيء ولالا ؟😂🤔

Thank you so much 😀

Wow, thank you!

You mean iraq lol

Thank you! Cheers!

Both Umayyads and Abbasids them are both descendants of Abdul Manaf(Mughirah) ibn Qushay(Zaid)

Abbasids are from descendants of Abbas R A . uncle of Muhammad pbuh.

Also Fatimid Caliphs were Alids from House of Ali. All Muslim Caliphs with exception of House of Uthman or Osman(Ottoman Turks), were Qureshis.

@@beyondheartmindsoul3443 what about seljuk Turks??

@@beyondheartmindsoul3443 Ottoman Turks doesn't belong to the Quraisch

Thank you for the kind words. It's totally fine if you can't donate on Patreon. I simple like, subscribe, clicking the bell button, and maybe turning off ad block would help the channel.

@@HistoryMarche my adblock is always off on youtube, it's the least i can do and funny to see what google thinks i might be interested in. After watching and reading more about islam, I now get ads to donate money to build a mosque somewhere in the usa. ;)

Indeed. He was quite a capable leader.

It mostly worked during medieval time with charging heavy cavalry into the enermy breaking them. The shock value was most important. If the enemies didn't break and routed, the cavalry didn't really have an advantage, but if the line broke under the charge, as often happened with a heavy cavalry charge in (european) medieval times, you would limit your own casualties by a lot and have the chance to destroy your enemy nearly completely. Considering this and Marwan's trust in his great cavalry advantage, a frontal cavalry charge isn't that weird. What is weird is that it didn't immediately got supported by infantry following the charge and that no cavalry was kept back to protect the flanks or outflank the enemy. Honestly this actually should have been an "easy" battle to win if the accounts of numbers we have now are correct. The Umayyad infantry didn't even engage before fleeing.

Depends on the spearmen. Effective long pikes and halberds weren't in wide use as anti-cavalry yet especially not in the Islamic world at this point. Phalanx units had been replaced by mass cavalry and mixed infantry for a long time. A cavalry charge of that size could ruin an army from the fear alone. He said they had to train to counter this effectively. Without that training i doubt they would have lasted the initial charge.

But, but... it did work in Lord of the Rings. ^^

Those ain't your lightly armored cavalrymen whose job is to harass skirmishers. Those are heavily armored cataphracts, the tanks of the antiquity/medieval period, with the horses armored so heavily that most spears cannot easily pierce their shell. The sheer weight hitting the receiving troops is usually more than enough to completely break unit cohesion and force a rout as everyone panics from the horses in their midst.

@taniths 1st and only sgt iron on duty still the spearmen can easilly kill the horses of the normans, which means death for them. Not a peasent spearmen though.

Working on it.

@@HistoryMarche We give you until next week.

When can he cannae? Soon

I cannea understand why you keep askin em that.

@@williamtheconqueror7807 lol

Heya! :D

Working on part 11 now.

@@HistoryMarcheThank you

I'm really looking forward to the end of Hannibal

Wow, thank you! Great to see you in the comment section Alvira.

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Thank you so much!

Crete was for a brief period, but Sicily was not, it is an error on my part.

Actually Rashidun caliphate conquered Crete and Sicily and during 1st fitna Roman recaptured these.then Umayyed also reconquered both But *Emirates* *of* *Sicily* *&* *Crete* (vassals of Abbasid)established during Abbasid region.

Thank you for watching.

This battle changed the rulling of almost entire Islamic world from one family to another.

Thanks a lot

More like the butcher

the word "Saffah" has more than one meaning in Arabic language. The most used meaning *today* for this word is "a person who shed blood", but in reality it has more than one meaning which is related to "Shed something". Back in the day it meant " the one who shed good" or close to " the generous one" . In Arabic " كثير العطاء". I personally think that the meaning attributed to the first Abbasid Caliph is the second meaning i mentioned, because he was more of a generous man than a blood shedding person, while he left the blood shedding part to Abu Muslim Al Khurasani.

@@alisa9626 Did he ?? He was known for his hate for the umayyads and his cruelty and brutality.

السفاح الذي يسفح المال سفحاً من كرمه ، كان ضد ابراهيم بن علي الذي استباح الشام و افنى بني أمية بل على العكس اوى من لجأ الى جواره من بني أمية و اكرم اولاد مسيلمة بن عبد الملك

@محمد رائد Lying has no credibility, only in your tiny mind.

Yes, at some point I will

Yeah. They would overthrow me in 2 weeks...

Everyone loves earthly pleasures but in islamic rule it should not be your number one priority

HistoryMarche 😂 that’s funny I guess your fans will overthrow you if you don’t give them Battle of Cannae as soon as possible 😆 I will be in the revolution by the way just to inform you 😆

@@MohamedNasrSami Especially when you are a Caliph of a vast caliphate

@Hassan Aهههههههههههه تم قتله على يد ابو جعفر المنصور

ما كان حتا شرف في قتال بعضكم بعض

تاريخ المسلمين ، ورسولنا نها عن هذه النتانة

@Hassan A هو اصلا وصل إلى منصبه هذا بطريقه جبانه عن طريق تقبيل يد العباسيين والهاشميين 😂😂😂😂 فصدقه العباسيين الاغبياء فا انقلب عليهم بطريقه جبانه ثم قتلوه بطريقه جبانه واضحه 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@littlecousin5630 حالته النفسيه تاعبه لانه عنصري كيف العرب يكونوا سابع أعظم امبروطوريه في العالم و وصلوا فرنسا بينما الفرس لم يفتحو أوروبا في حياتهم 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 انا اعرف طريقة تفكير اللي مثله

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Thank you very much

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Yea you’re right lmao we should just be ruled by the demonic west🤪

The Umayyad’s prioritized Arab Muslims over everyone else, including non-Arab Muslims. They became decadent and were blinded by wealth while oppressing the impoverished. The Abbassids ushered in a new age where non-Arabs were embraced relatively to the same degree as Arabs. The Abbassids would reign in the Golden Age of Islam which saw massive technological advancements until the mongols came. Those Muslims you talk about want a state that includes Muslims of diverse backgrounds to be part of one country in order to protect each other from threats. Kind of how Europeans came together to form the EU or the Thirteen States came together to form the US.

I like both umayyed & abbasid But In 750 Muslim divided then never united until now and After 750 Muslim could never achieved great conquests against non-muslims like before It's so sad

Can't Wait Cannae

Working on it.

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Thank you so much!

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