It's not dead. It just found its niche and that's it. The rapid expanse of the genre is over, yes. The hype is dead, yes, but the genre is still there and isn't going anywhere.
@@Jvxino dominating what? 4 games with no new major games competing in the genre since Apex & that was 5 years ago... I'd say thats a pretty dead genre.
Absolutely no way that extraction shooters will become mainstream popular let alone replace battle royale. It is way too stress inducing and the average player doesn't want to deal with that.
I think it'd be possible to make the genre have more widespread appeal. The idea of an open world where people can be anywhere and there are high stakes if you die is very enticing, the problem is none of the games manage to find a reasonable level of high stakes and always take it to the extreme of if you die you lose everything and have to repeat several hours or even days of tedious grinding
The push seems to be towards extraction shooters. I'm sure they'll be enough to figure out the formula and run with it for a few years before they switch to the next thing.
Also the fact that the 2 extraction shooters that are currently GOOD are 1. Shady ass tarkov and 2. Extremely high skill level to be even remotely considered “good”
i'd say the original pubg/h1z1 rendition of battle royale is over, people don't want to spend time looting just to die once and then have to spend time in queue
This is apex. And then you try titanfall 2 and its just 15 min of action. And i get into a game faster even though it has a fraction of apexs palyerbase. Also better movment and big cool mech.
I think that’s why Fortnite is as popular it is. Queue times are relatively short, TTK is typically not super fast, resurrecting and staying in the game is fairly easy. Sure, it’s very arcadey but I’m not surprised it’s stayed at the top.
BRs are simple to get into. Jump onto map, find weapons, and try to win. It fits that simple dopamine rush since games are pretty short compared to other games sometimes
u think BR is simple until u watch a casual play a BR. its really not that simple. so many factors you have to consider. knowing the map, knowing hiding spots, camping spots, vantage points to see the map, knowing where the loot is, how to get to it faster, knowing how & where to drop. knowing what guns to pick up first, conserving ammo, knowing how many heals & shields to hold onto & for how long, knowing how to predict where the circle is going to be, choke points... a casual coming off of call of duy doesn't naturally think about any of those things.
@@asdfxcvbn746 Maybe that's why fortnite performs better than a lot of other BRs, because many of these factors, while useful, aren't really necessary to doing well in fortnite.
@@Stealthfang270 i'd have to disagree on that. positioning & item conservation are definitely vital to winning in fortnite. i think fortnite is more approachable to casuals because the matchmaking SBMM is less oppressive than say... Apex. which automatically drops you into a lobby with insane killers right off the bat.
Another BR with great movement mechanics? That sounds like it could be some strong competition for Apex. But it would just be a "Switch 2" exclusive...
It’s not a dead genre, there has just been too many all trying to take eachothers players. They need to stop making new ones and expecting people to all play all the games. You can only grind so many games at once.
@@asdfxcvbn746 If it’s got plenty of games with huge numbers of players with no shutdown in sight, it ain’t dead. It’s merely stopped growing, stabilized. The genre can have new games when they either outdo the existing ones or after those games end.
I think the gold rush has died, it's still got feet but no one is really tripping over eachother to get the bag. But we also have to recognize that fortnight is also branching away from the br formula with their community game creator thingy. So it may be really really slowly fading away.
fortnite still does BR, but fortnite is most likely to stumble up on the next "trendy genre" because of its creation tool. if pubg, warzone & apex devs were smart, they'd follow suit by allowing the community to make their own modes & maps. but they're not as smart as the fortnite people.
@@asdfxcvbn746 omg an apex community creator would be amazing. Maybe the community would make tf3 instead of use hopelessly waiting on respawn to do it.
@@theejackalope EA is way too stupid to do that. if they were smart, they'd spend the large amount of money to convert Apex from the dated Source engine to Unreal engine & turn Apex into a platform where people can make their own FPS shooters. also converting to unreal engine would fix the no footsteps sound bug that Apex has. and yeah, the community would make TF3. but EA is too cheap. they won't spend the money to do it. if Fortnite brings the creation tools to console, I'd literally make TF3 myself.
I don't know if I'm just stuck in my own little echo chamber, but I don't hear the sentiment that battle royal games are dying at all. In fact, more of my friends are playing battle royal games than ever before. Ask me like, a year ago "How many of your friends play Fortnite?" and I'd give an answer somewhere around 3-5. That number has close to tripled. (tbh that may be because of all the new furry skins but shhhhh)
If the title is a question, the answer is always "no". Otherwise, they would have just said "Battle Royale is Dead" or whatever it's trying to show. Same reason why you see clickbaity news headlines like "Is Biden preparing to attack Russia?"
the term you're looking for is "clickbait" where content creators LIE about the content of the video with the title or the thumbnail to get people to click. its stupid & i despise content creators who do this. its simply not necessary & doesn't get them the amount of clicks to make it worth it. spawn wave media & kevin kenson don't clickbait & they get tons of views. wish more content creators would learn to stop doing this outdated tactic. it just pisses off your viewers & loses you more subs than it gains you. because after awhile, viewers stop trusting what you say if you always lie about the content in your titles & thumbnails.
@@asdfxcvbn746 I think this video is a different case, there's a lie clickbait, that will obviously lie to get your click (E.g: It's official, the end of battle royales!!1!) and just a clickbait that will get people to think about the video (E.g: Is battle royale dead?) Doesn't lie in any ways, it's a question and the video responds it
@@asdfxcvbn746Having just a normal clickbait works way better than the title: Debating the popularity of battle royales after its success This title is just horrible and no one who's just scrolling would get attracted by it
@@gianstb "Doesn't lie in any ways, it's a question and the video responds it" --- false. its depending on the kneejerk reaction of BR fans that will see the title & think of course BR isn't dead. let me click on this to see if he's bashing the BR genre. & then when they click on the video, the content of the video is saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the title of the video suggests or implies that the video will be about.
I was convinced that Extraction shooters would take over the BR space. But for why these current games are still going strong (Apex, FN, ETC) is probably a mix of a couple things, both the two mentioned have really large competitive scenes, and are both repeatly releasing LTMS that are non-BR. Not to mention the amount of time people have already put into the games, I'm sure sunk cost fallacy is not completely irrelevant. Which is why a new BR will never work. I think if Apex released today, it would flop. Not because the game isn't good, because its still the best feeling BR (IMHO), but because for every 1 winning team, there's 19 losers. it doesn't feel good to lose repeatedly, or spend 20 minutes in a game that you die in an instant. And to ask people to do that with a new platform, a new IP, I cant imagine that would work anymore
Absolutely agree, some of the popular battleroyals are boring. Spending 15-25 minutes just to die isn't worth the wait. Moreover I think that the existing players have already developed their skills a lot that there is no more space left for new players to enjoy.
one game in an entire genre is still huge... sounds pretty dead to me. fortnite will be like league of legends & will be the only BR left standing in 10 years.
Regarding extraction shooters, the big thing that seems to hamper their quantity and quality is the sheer scope that their development requires. Battle Royales are relatively simple from a design standpoint: bunch of people enter a map, 1 person lives, rinse and repeat. Extraction shooters require significantly more planning; what items are you trying to extract? Why do these items have value? What goal are you working towards, and how does the environment of the game foster these goals?
It's not dead, but it's not novel, and therefore has stagnated in population. In a lot of cases the population of players in BR has declined. Big corps are just waiting for an indie company or game to figure out what the next evolution of FPS will be, but BR will probably stay around for a while. Extraction shooters are definitely a fun challenge, but it fails to capture the "non-hardcore" crowd as they tend to be very heavily skill/knowledge-based and not as easy to play casually. I think we've already passed the best era of gaming, and the only thing left is for us to go back in time to older titles and revive them. With AAA companies cutting staff, outsourcing their code, and making lazy attempts at games, it's going to be hard for any game to catch on a large scale and bring us that sense of togetherness we once had.
I haven't played a BR in almost 2 years but I have had an idea for one that I would like to see. *Conflagration*: It would be a large Wildfire without showing the next "Zone" on the mini-map. Players would have to look at Tree Tops or Flags or blowing debris to see what direction the zone is going. Players could get closed in at mountain tops above the tree line, but then an avalanche could be triggered connecting a trail to the rest of the safe area. Players could also call in water drops, fire retarded, Oregon weather forecast showing how the wind is going to be changing next. It would be an irregular shaped "Zone" with fire spreading faster in some directions than others.
Battle Royale as a genre? Definitely not. But Battle Royale as a trend? Definitely. It's just like how every FPS in the 90s wanted to be a DOOM clone. After the craze dies down, only a few stick around.
A lot of competitive multiplayer "genres" have gone through this kind of evolution, where it morphs into new ideas. Now that everyone is comfortable with battle royale as a concept, extraction shooters are gwtting more and more interesting, as a sort of "next step". It takes time to catch on, but I feel like that's the new genre being explored now.
To be completely honest I've always been pretty indifferent to the genre, I haven't played any of the BR games and I don't really have a desire to give any of them a try.
I still think the only reason it got as big as it did was because of the pandemic and it being the only game that was truly cross-platform with Voice chat. I remember the only way my younger brother could talk to all his school friends was to sit in a fortnite lobby. The gameplay was irrelevant.
cap. fortnite is actually good & the gameplay is good. also epic was smart about how they built their platform for user generated content which kept them on the bleeding edge of new trendy game types & modes & made them enough money that they were able to spinout an entire launcher from the users they got from fortnite (epic game store).
I think it's cause they blur the lines between multiple genres, such as MMOs, shooters, and even adventure games. It kinda ticks many boxes that are across different genres. In the case of Fortnite I think it also helps that you're not locked into a class/playstyle you can mid match change from a sniper setup to an SMG/shotgun setup. Maybe what's tiring is that every major game coming out that could be something like an MMO is trying to be a BR instead.
I have 5k hours in PUBG and I still love to play it with my friend. I've just opened top steam games by concurrent players on steam and PUBG is in second place, so battle royale is live and well.
It's not dead it's just hard to break in with anything new at this point. I did see a trailer for a horror battle royale called "KnifePlayground" so someone out there is still trying.
I think it's the same thing that's happening to Marvel and superhero movies. There was such an explosion in popularity for the genre, and so everyone and their dog hopped on the bandwagon; now, years later, people are getting bored of the very similar format. Some people still love it, but it won't really get any bigger. Imo, extraction shooters are the "next big thing". They're simple like BRs but they let you make permanent progress. That progress comes at a risk tho, because you have to physically use your progress to fight other players and can lose it when you die.
I genuinely enjoy Call of Duty Warzone and I think it's a pretty decent Battle Royale with a large player base. I think the Battle Royale genre is like the modern-day equivalent of Deathmatch or CTF from the days of Unreal Tournament, Quake, and Halo. It also taps into the MMO side of things really well. Typically 100 players and in a free-to-play game there's a lot of people to fill up those lobbies quickly.
I don't miss the Battle Royale hype. Dr. Disrespect apparently funded a nft battle royal because he's stuck in the past, just like the genre. I think people want games like helldivers 2 or god of war. fun with friends, no lootboxes, or a good story.
Everyone is just burned out tbh, maybe someday people will be hyped about it again. I still play Fortnite but only when my friends are also playing. The solo grind is just dead for me.
Just recently I found myself playing PUBG or APEX or even a little bit of Fortnite here and there with my friends as our casual "no need to care" type of games. I don't really know if I'd really care that much about another BR game, but if it would be FUN that's all I care about. I don't care about some stupid rank that refreshes every now and then. I don't care about cosmetics or some stupid battle passes. I don't care if it's gonna be cartoonish, real lookin', goofy or serious. I just want a game that's fun to play with friends and even alone.
Battle royals aren't dead, the market is just saturated. People want something new but it's hard to compete in such a completive land scape. Some stuff makes more sense when looked through a business presepctive.
I think extraction shooters will eventually become popular if a company actually makes a good one. Tarkov is not good enough to have a skill floor of appropriate levels and no one else has managed to do it well. I think if someone makes a stable release, with fun unlocks, pvp, it would do well.
I don't think extraction shooters will ever be mainstream, way too hard for average players expecially at the beginning where you lose everything over and over again.
It's not dead but oversaturated. There were multiple BRs with "new ideas" that died like in a month or so - so it's more of "not needing more" than "dead"
I'm fairly sure the majority of gamers are casual, after-work players who don't engage with industry politics, so BR games are less time-consuming and more accessible for them. Probably the same reason CoD and FIFA top the charts every year despite all VOCAL gamers saying we want innovation and change
its dead in the sense of we will never see one take up the majority of social media again. may i remind you there was a point where literally 90% of youtube was just fortnite. i guess some people don't even want it to settle, they want it off the map
There are no genre that is "the peak of gaming". If a game or a concept of game is fun, they will find their place on the market, on the long run. Everybody thought that FMV was dead and when Big Finish Games (led by Chris Jones) released "The Tesla Effect: a Tex Murphy Adventure" ten years ago, the game drew back their core fans (some of them even appeared in it) and did pretty well! According to Playtracker, an estimated 2.5 Millions persons owns the game. For a genre that was considered dead when it was released, those are good numbers, in my opinion.
I think BR gives a good amount of tension when you reach end game(aka, last ring and such), while you also dont lose anything from dying early(apart from 2 minutes of your life and maybe some ranking points). Compare that to extraction shooters where you can lose actual progress(as far as i know, never played one), so if you had a bad start you now lost actual progress of game... BR has the same effect of mobas(in the mid-late game), but with less time to get to the intense parts(in LoL it takes 20 minutes before a win usually, at least last time i played a couple of seasons ago, and in Apex legends, the game will end in 20 minutes or less due to ring closing in)
As others are saying, it seems to have just found it's niche. As for extraction shooters, I think too many of them are living in Tarkov's shadow. They're almost all slow paced, tactical almost sim level shooters. Think of how different pubg and fortnite are/were. Pubg was that slower paced, much more strategy intensive gameplay, then fortnite came along, kept the core principles of what makes a battle Royale, and threw out the rest, making a new and different take on the genre. I don't think battle Royale's have had their "fortnite" yet. There was that weird battlefield thing (green zone or something like that) that tried something a bit different but that was a tacked on half baked idea, so I don't think that really counts as proof one way or the other.
the way i look at it as a casual gamer is: br is jack of all trades master of none. adventure? ye big map? ye looting? ye shooting? ye vehicles? ye movement gameplay? well uhm kinda? ability to collab? ye cheap/free? ish is it the best at any? nah still enjoyable? kinda, a good quick dopamine boost my 2 cents
Extraction shooters require more time, let immediate action, if you need a dopamine hit, you play FPS games or BR games, etc. but certainly not extraction shooter games, since they are generally slower.
I do not think a new BR, even with new mechanics would provide much; the market is good right now, I don't think that will change any time soon. Since games like Fortnite, will just copy the special features, just like that Fortnite copied rebooting from Apex. I am not referring to the mobile market, since I believe that there could be new games coming in. Why is apex/pugb/warzone played so much? Apex: Futuristic feel/fast, pugb: the og, warzone: the sliding mechanic, and 'realism'.
fortnite perfected it. pubg: too janky, too hardcore, poor visuals, warzone: too campy, hard to see players against an overly brown background. apex: hit detection terrible, aiming wobbly unless you're on PC, sound god awful (no footsteps) matchmaking oppressive & unbalanced... apex actually has better gameplay than fortnite if it would fix its issues, but fortnite is the only BR that has struck the right balance of good visuals, good sound, friendly to casuals & newcomers, good controls, god & frequent updates, has the best skins & cosmetics of any BR... also, user generated content will keep Fortnite alive forever, long after pubg, warzone & apex die off a decade from now.
Battle Royales are generally fine in people's eyes as a game concept, but people are tired of the samey shooter battle royales. Still a lot of untapped potential in the genre tbh.
Battle royal to me is not a "genre" its a game mode with a special map. Only reason i gave up on playing them too is getting 3rd partied. I prefer clean cut odds in my video game fights.
It's like people saying WoW or other popular game is "dying" yet have big player base that make other developers/publishers envy to have such big number or players for seemingly "dead" title... also makes me wonder what will be another trend of genre gaining rapid popularity?
I think it’s the fact that most battle Royale games are free so player will try it at least once because it didn’t cost any money to them. Other games, if it an LTM then they will entice players with free stuff if they play the game mode a few times. Then players get hooked for the chance of winning. This is just my opinion.
Personally, I just don't have fun with repetitive gameplay once everybody learns and documents every spot and strategy, once metas appear, players themselves make it impossible for newcomers to pave their own way.
It's not dead, it's just that the biggest BR games been improving and improving, and that's why no one wants new ones. I know what to expect and I know those games are not going anywhere. BRs by nature are quite competitive. On why extraction shooters still trying to find their footing, is because they just don't have that "simple endgame" for people to work for. Loot that, extract that, but why are you extracting that? In BR, it's a simple goal - win the game. In extraction shooters, it's mostly "vibes" with no purpose.
Extraction shooters are much different as a whole experience, tarkov is great but it also has many barriers to entry ( it’s very hard to learn and it’s only on pc because of it’s complicated nature) and the rest of the offer isn’t that great tbh ( probably because of lack of structure and real objectives other than meaningless tasks with no long term goals)
it's not dead. it think we start talking less about battle royale because it's become common in gaming. I also feel like today's battle royale game giving nothing new to their audience to talk more about it.
I wouldn't say Battle Royale in and of itself is dead in any way, it's just that many of the Battle Royale games didn't last and that the hype is over. Fortnite is still the most played game out there, and yes, Epic is trying to branch it out and make it a hub similar to Roblox, but that's not what people are booting it up for; they're primarily coming back for Battle Royale, and the new extra modes are more "desserts" if anything.
i bet more kids are playing fortnite for the other stuff than the BR at this point. there are literally lego survival games & racing games in fortnite now. BR is an afterthought.
Saying that people had enough of it when literally millions of them are still playing Fortnite, Warzone and PUBG is a very bold statement . No, BR is not dead. But the games that are on the market are so huge, make so much money and their publishers invest so much in marketing, that there is simply no room on the market for new titles. Not in a long run. Even excellent, amazing looking and incredible creative titles like for example The Finals have to compete with Fortnite and Call of Duty. And winning with them is impossible. You can only try to find a place for yourself in a small niches that aren’t yet occupied. The newest game market analysis sum this up. The most of the market is in the hands of few, giant companies and monstrous games. Everyone else have to share the rest of the cake. And it’s getting harder and harder for multiplayer titles. Especially in the genres already occupied by this mega titles (like competitive shooters, moba ora BR).
@@asdfxcvbn746 Maybe so, but surely the room is getting smaller with every billion earned by the big titles, and every year of their domination passing by. Market studies have no mercy - more and more part of the market cake belong to less and less giant titles and more and more gamers want to play games/frenchises they already know. Of course there is alywas place for something new. There will always be. But it's just harder to get noticed and keep player for longer. And if it's harder, than it's also more expensive. That's why less big companies are taking risks.
Like the video, but idk why anyone would assume BRs are dead when they are a dominant category. Huge fan of extraction shooters, I prefer them over BRs, but the problem with extract shooters is they're still too hardcore for most gamers.
Yeah there's no way extraction shooters will get as big as BR got. Way too stressful, way too competitive, and since it heavily punishes dying and you can actually earn real stuff for extracting, it attracts way more cheaters than other games do.
All the good ones that I liked are now dead (Spellbound) and all the ones that I hate are still going stronger than ever (Fortnite). So it's dead to me.
I used to play pubg everyday with my friends. But now I find the game boring and repetitive. Yeah, the special events and stuff are good but not enough to keep me good. The microtransactions in these games are awful in my opinion. I used to purchase every battlepass and now I regret it. I'm not saying this genre is dead. All it takes is one good game that tries something fresh with the concept to hook people back in.
XDefiant is making its Comeback for the FPS Genre, as everyone is over the SBMM Bullshit! And the main reason most people Play BattleRoyale, is because they miss Genuinely fun FPS Games altogether that CoD used to do, but XDefiant with Mark Rubin backing it can very well be the FPS Redemption arc
I don't think battle royale is dead I think that games in general are doing worse than they were. And I personally hate extraction shooters and really love the battle royale genre.
My mom plays Fortnite, and she doesn't play anything else. My ex's parents also played Fortnite and nothing but that. It has a hold on the non-gamers unlike any other game
To be honest, it's popular to hate on Fortnite but i think it's still a pretty solid game and it's just fun for all the value that it has for free. People take gaming way to serious, just play and let other play what they want.
It’s not dead. It had its saturation and now the games that managed to gain an audience are the survivors. Same thing happened with MMOs and then WoW came around and was top dog for a long time. Extractions Shooters are still a new niche, Tarkov being the only major game in the genre. Maybe when AAA starts really getting into it it’ll saturate and die out like all these new fads do. Personally, I think Battle Royales are boring as hell and glad it’s died down in popularity a bit. Maybe not every game coming out will try to cram a BR mode into it now.
I want to mention something, the fact that with battle royale games, theres only one winning team, meaning that it takes alot of effort to get the satisfaction of winning. This might drive people off of new battle royale games since its hard to get satisfaction out of them, although its nice to get top 10 with a bunch of kills, you didnt win, and once you finally win, whats next? Whats the point of playing anymore, youve won already.
You play battle royale games with the intent of winning, yes, but winning is usually hard due to the high number of players or teams. Battle royales often consist of spending about 75% of the time gearing up for the fight, with just 25% dedicated to actual combat. Since you typically have only one life, when you die in the top 10, it doesn't feel very rewarding since you've invested so much time in gearing up, only to lose it all in an instant, and it feels even worse knowing you have to wait in a usually long queue to get into the next game. However, the experience itself is partially (along with the chance to win) what keeps players engaged. It's like skydiving - there's no practical reason to do it other than the thrill and excitement. Similarly, achieving a good placement in a battle royale game feels rewarding. Even if winning seems out of reach, getting into the top 10 can still be satisfying. Additionally, some players enjoy battle royale purely for the PvP aspect. Games like PUBG lack the structured 5v5 setting of games like CS:GO, but that doesn't diminish the appeal for players who enjoy the unique dynamics of battle royale gameplay. COD also has a battle royale mode, Warzone, which is free to play. However, some players may prefer the structured 5v5 setting of games like MW2/3, which come with a price tag. Since Warzone offers similar gunplay but lacks the 5v5 mode, some players may hesitate to spend money on MW2/3 when they can get a similar experience for free in Warzone. (Enjoy reading that wall of text)
@@sunshinecoco12 you just explained BR's to a guy that has spent thousands of hours playing BR's. that wasn't at all necessary. I'm addressing your comment saying there's no point of playing a BR unless you win. if you apply that same logic other game genres, its a non-sensical statement.
1. Please tell me how im supposed to know you have thousands of hours on battle royale games. 2. We're talking about battle royale games, not other genres. (I have a feeling we're never going to agree on each others opinion, so there's a big chance I wont reply)
Its not dead yet, but it will die soon enough. Theres really not many ways you can even enjoy these games as someone semi casual or a returning or even as a new player. Bot lobbies are underwhelming, tryhard lobbies will make you quit the game before its second zone, tryhards in semi Bot lobbies basically have 99 resource replenishes till the win. Not to mention the issue with handling cheaters, the constant performance issues in all major BRs, the need to change the game for no reason besides "we need more engagement" even if its clearly worse than before. This genre will die sooner than most people think. Only reason why PUBG/Fortnite/Warzone even have players right now is because of players who cannot switch the game for their life, even if its literally 0 fun for anyone, included themselves. Extraction shooters have the same issues besides adding new content. Theres no shot that BRs will decline and extraction shooters wont.
I don't see new games finding a footing. Look at rumbleverse. Despite being amazing (according to it's players atleast) it wasn't enough to keep it afloat. I think people play because they are used to it. And new players are brought in by older ones. At this point some games are just like tradition. Cs and quake are great examples, they have been around for ever. A bit like football. While Fortnite and apex are nothing like cs, they constantly change, they do have the potential to become like cs where they just become juggernauts because of word of mouth, if epic and ea play their cards well
