Battlestar Galactica 4x21 Reaction | Daybreak, Part Three 

I suggest after all of this you go back and review it all again knowing the end. That's what we all have done.

Fallout has apparently been rough for Copyright. A couple react people have had a rough time getting videos through without a lot of edits.

"All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again". So how many generations have already happened? What ancient generation spawned "head Gaius", "head Caprica", or the reincarnation of Kara Thrace? ​​Clarke’s Law - “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” So are these characters angels... demons... magic? Or are they just guides? Are they just there to shepherd this cycle? Are they visiting from iterations of the cycle that are millions of years more advanced than the current cycle we live in today? At the end (modern day), head Gaius and head Caprica are talking, and she mentions 'god'. And Gaius says "You know it doesn't like that name". So there's an advanced intelligence at work, but probably nothing at all like any mythological or supernatural portrayal of what it might be.

The opening narration of the original series began with .... "There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. They may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive far, far away, amongst the stars."

I think the so-called “angels” just declared themselves as such to make it easier for humans to understand at least in part what was happening or being said to them, and in the end "Head Gaius" said that “God” don't like being called by that name, maybe it's not literally “God” as we know it. I've been thinking about this for more than a decade since I first saw this series, and I've rewatched it thousands of times until now.

Yes, the irony. He spent his entire life trying to escape and hide his origins, then discovers it's his destiny.

I was just about t post the same thing. All that hate he had for him, fell away, as he understood what his father had taught him, with a flood of emotion. Quite possibly his best bit of acting in the whole show.

I had been holding it together watching Daybreak live but that line broke me.

That little moment when Gaius breaks down he finally becomes his truest self. Right at the very end.

Pointless since we know humans did not develop organized agriculture till much later ,so everything they did was pointless amd lost. Never let Lee make any decisions he just doesn't know how to make the smart choice just the emotional one

I think you left out "Razor".

I'd forgot all about that with the music as the fleet flew into the sun. Loved hearing that again.

Also webisodes, where The Face of the Enemy sort of explains why Felix was OK to stage the coup.

@@deguello66 I believe she already watched that.

The music when Adama is doing his final flyby is a slow version of the original theme too. Breaks me up as he circles the Galactica and gives her a last silent goodbye.

100% YES!

Perfect way to end his character arc. He spent his life running away from who he was, his heritage and ashamed of who he was. Now it has come full circle and he finally embraces the person that he is.

Me too. Best character arc end ever.

Also droping one-eyed Saul into northern continent is a subtle touch, speaking of viking mythology origins)

@@Stforv Who knows, maybe Tigh and Ellen are the basis for Odin and the Valkyries?

Her decommissioning is now complete. They will and still sing songs about a Battlestar named Galactica and a commander named Adama!

@@darthroden not 150.000 years ago... no mithologica figures makes sense after that much time.. its the biggest problem i have with the finale ..the time gap doesnt make sense for the Colonial culture to have made it into our culture.. it just doesnt.. there is a huuuge gap of civilization until "just" 15000 years ago and we are talking about verbal and writen stuff.. it would made sense if they had landed 15000 years ago.. but the reason for the 150000 is RDM shortly before writing the finale read a National Geographic article about Mithocondrial Eve (the one he is seen reading in present day in his cameo) and he sudenly wanted to make Hera that.. Mithocondrial Eve would had existed 150.000 years ago so thats why... the problem? it means Colonial culture literally died.. not just blended.. it dissapeared into nothing for over 135.000 years.. they didnt did no impact whatsoever.. Even if you listen to "Angel six" she says Mithocondrial Eve remains were from a Young woman so Hera even died young.. (probably for the lack of medicines and medical atention)

@@sparrowlt You should really watch the documentary "The Human Family Tree." Genetics across the planet were mapped, and they all converge on a single tribe in the African bush. Every last one of them. When the researchers visited the tribe and explained to them what was found, the chief said "we know." Their oral traditions have survived much, much longer than any other, probably because they are so isolated and none of the "civilized" world sees any interest or value in them, so their ways of life have not changed since people first walked north and out across the world. So, it's not really so much of a stretch to think that people we call ancient might have had a similar oral traditions about their origins that could have brought about beliefs like the Norse pantheon, as well as many others. The Tigh analogy is a bit on the nose, but it's fiction with extremely ancient roots in reality. What's more interesting to me in this story's end was: what time of year was it when the colonists landed? How many people knew how to grow food? We know Gaius had that knowledge, but it didn't appear that he taught anyone else what he knew. Would they have time to plant and harvest before the growing season was over? What kind of interactions did they have with the people that were already there? Someone would have had to speak with them to learn what was safe to eat, let alone how to grow more of it. And even though the fleet was flown into the sun, what happened to the raptors they brought to the surface? Were they dismantled and melted down? They leave a ton of details out about how the show got from the colonial population landing in Africa to modern day, and how/if any of them did survive. I'm less concerned about the analogy that Hera was mitochondrial Eve. There were other colonials to have more children, and any one of the Cylon/human hybrids could have been part of the key to modern human genetics in the story. Hera could have had a sister as time went on, perhaps one even genetically identical to herself, because Cylons. But we didn't get that part of the journey here to know for sure. That was left wide open to the imagination, like so much else. It's not a bad thing to consider the possibilities, but I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that, for sure, the colonists died out, leaving no impact at all, considering that, even if they didn't blend with the tribes, they still would have wanted to survive long-term, rather than starve to death. Survival instincts can be very intense.

He was the glue that held the series together and vastly elevated it. They **really** lucked-out with him! (Also, his mixture of different instruments from around the world gave me kinda mythical, old-school vibes, so when watching the show the first time I joked "I bet this actually takes place in the distant past and not the future". Lo and behold... 🤣)

Space Jesus, hahahaha! I read resurrected Starbuck as a young angel, still learning her purpose and powers.

@@tinnitus_tom She was reincarnated as a human with no memory of what she is, and her life was an ordeal that she had to undertake in order to fulfill her role in gods plan for humanity by leading them to a new homeworld, its an awesome bit of writing.

@@theapocalex the writing is only ever the half of it. The reading, translation and view forming is something else. Regardless of the production, including the scriptwriting, she is what she is and likely different to many people who enjoyed the show. As an example let's look at Pepper Pig, is she a human-pig child on a journey of discovery, or is she a sister-angel sent to torment George and his Dine-Saur . . a dine-saur that is in fact the central character to the entire Pepper Pig plot. Is the dine-saur the only one that doesn't like jumping in muddy puddles, is the dine-saur the conflict veteran with PTSD?

I dont think Ive ever been as satisfied with an ending before, or after Battlestar. honestly couldnt think of making better. It was perfection. ...and know the whole cast agrees with me :D

I saw an interview with James and Trisha and evidently his tears and the kiss in this moment weren't scripted. If you haven't seen any of their panel discussions I recommend them highly. :)

@@colinloves I agree. One can always nitpick about details and interpretations, but in the end it doesn't matter. The characters completed their journey end the story was told in a breathtaking way. The ending was just about as perfect as can be.

Coming full circle means you end up in the same place you started.

@@edmann1820 Pedantry is complaining about/correcting people on small details and meaningless colloquialisms.

Have a cousin in the navy, a master chief, and I'm pretty sure that's what he would say.

I have never served, but have been responsible to work in nuclear power generation, and for a few military contractors. After being trusted regarding people's safety and millions of dollars of equipment, i can understand the frustration.

@@timmooney7528 He has a great line in the previous parts when in the interview where he says "literally billions of cubits, thousands of lives and several ships , 2 of them BattleStars have been put into my hands"

Three good souls! Felix had to go obviously but it’s hard to fault him based on where he was at the time.

Don't forget Katt.

@@darthroden I like Kat but Dee, Billy, and Felix are closer to my heart.

@@suncore598 I get that. I hate how all of them went out.

I still miss Chuckles. But then again Terry Chen is attractive. But, yes, Billy and Dualla I certainly wished lived.

Nailed it. A new humanity begins

Nor are there any pure Cylons left (aside from the Centurions who left to explore and evolve on their own)....but that's not a bad thing. There's a little of all of them in us humans and that's a good message.

And also, Hera only made it to young adulthood. 😢

@@darthroden Ironically and left open and unresolved there is suposed to be still humans in the Colonies.. there was a line way before when the Cylons decided to leave the colonies that they relocated the survivors to Picon

Which is why she was, literally, "The Angel of Death" and disappeared once she had delivered "humanity to its end"

That's done to differentiate them from their "corporeal" counterparts so you always know they're the head versions.

Is that interesting?

@@chand911 - Seems that's up to you to decide.

Perhaps I should have been clearer- "Head Six" and "Head Baltar" in the final scene are dressed in the same clothes as "Real Six" and "Real Baltar" when we first see them in the BSG premiere.

Angels computer programs aliens who cares when your dressed so well. There is also a matrix reference there at the end in terms of her red dress.

Amos eyes!

But first she popped over to a distant galaxy and had adventures in some sweet armor.

Along the way, she took some time to be a sheriff's deputy in Wyoming

And in another universe she became Bitch Pudding.....BLAM!

"Frak!" 😀

Did Dean Stockwell, put this show as one of his bests?

It was Dean's idea to kill himself.. he was suposed to be shot by Adama after he shot Baltar iirc ..but Dean said Cavil was so fraked up that when things finally broken down again irrecoverely he would go "frak this im out of this for good" and blow his own brains

@@sparrowlt I always read that scene as Cavil, in the heat of the moment and in his panic, briefly forgot about the lack of resurrection and offed himself as a means of escape, which made his death really funny to me.

So say we all!

One of the best lines in any TV show evre.

If Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, we *all* have a Cylon ancestor.

@@SunlessNick Either way, I'm O- so I'm covered, lol.

So say we all! I recall a hilarious thread in the comments along this line started with the reaction to the mini-series at the start of this epic journey.

Best decision ever. The series is just about flawless.

Best decision ever. He clearly was running out of ideas where to take the story already, when he put Tigh and Six together.

The Walking Dead is the best example of that. Show started out strong, but just kept getting worse and worse every season because they just wanted to continue it for the sake of continuing it. The quality and ratings plummeted as a result. They should have ended it sooner. Always best to end on your own terms when you are still on top so the legacy of being a high quality all-time great show is what is remembered.

@@jerodast Yeah, Tigh and Six was a weird angle, to say the least

Harsh but realistic I guess. With zero technology and a hunter-gatherer lifestyle life expectancy would've dropped pretty dramatically. Young by our standards but not for her generation.

16:49, "You know it doesn't like that name." It, not he! One of my favorites lines as well!

@@neryskkiran1820 BIGTIME!

@@colinloves But correct.

Beautifully said.

The rise, downfall, trials, and redemption of Guias Baltar.

Thus fulfilling her character arc. She is almost certain she will eventually die on a mission, and is more focused on taking out as many Cylons as she can before that happens. She expresses this in her interview in Final Cut back in Season 2.

That's what a dead hand means

Yes, and in doing do so redeemed herself.

@@richardtaylor1652 She certainly did as she told D'Anna... she was afraid hell was lonely so he would fill it with as many toasters as posible for company.. and she did ... nearly all of them

Literally hand of god. It would be cheesy in any other show, but works perfectly here.

He is your new god.

Well apparently she has to watch the Portlandia sketch a THIRD time now that she hopefully knows what Ronald D. Moore looks like 😆

@@colinloves Or For all mankind

@@sparrowlt Oh yes, another great show. It be fun watching her rage in the first season with all the sexism. heheh

They used it in the miniseries, too. They made it the "national anthem" of the twelve colonies. Which I thought was a nice touch. They actually did throw a lot of Easter Eggs into this whole series. I particularly liked the tube of Felgercarb toothpaste in the flight room, where Kara is telling them that whoever spotted what they were looking for on patrol would win that last tube of toothpaste. 🤣 Very subtly done, too - if you didn't really look at the tube of toothpaste as the camera was moving around, you'd miss it completely. (For those not familiar with the original series, there were a couple of cuss words that they used to get past the censors - "frack," for the f-word, which made it into this series, and "felgercarb," which was the replacement for sh.., er, crap. 😉)

And then she kept saying it and still people didn't want to believe it.

Well in our defense, proclaiming to be an angel doesn’t make you one

@@funnylilgalreacts And that is a very insightful comment given that believing to be an angel doesn't make you one either, and given that based on the exchange between Head Gaius and Head Six in the final scene, the entity they serve isn't actually God. She simply chooses to believe it's God, and he acknowledges ("Silly me... silly, silly me") that nothing he says to her will undermine her faith. There's a parallel to this in Dune 2, which I won't describe in case you haven't seen the movie, but is already the basis for a popular Dune 2 meme.

The idea that everything is already predetermined doesn't square with the fact that the greater power intervening in events (that Head Gaius makes clear is not a divine being even though Head Six believes it to be God) DOES NOT KNOW whether the creation of a human-Cylon hybrid race will break the age-old cycle of violence between biological sentient life and machine sentient life. Head Six explains away the lack of foresight as "part of God's plan" when in reality the greater power simply isn't omniscient. It's just darn smart, which helps it figure out when and where to send its messengers to intervene in events so as to maximize the probability of Hera's conception, survival, and placement where conditions are ideal to perform its experiment (on our "Earth").

@@MongooseTales Well thats the real question in physics these days. If our universe is predetermined or not. If we actually have free will or not. Because every particle in its trajectory getting bigger and bigger to atoms molecules us, planets stars etc already can only go one way. Famous theoretical example of that is the butterfly effect, but that on a grand scale. Like every ciscumstance that led her to make the react channel, us then watching it then commenting on it and write all these comments. And that story is wrapped in BSG. Is it a god? At least thats my interpretation of it.

kinda like what happened on old Earth

Bear McCreary has such an amazing talent. I'm so happy to have seen so many of the shows he has scored. Give Black Sails a watch. It just dropped on Netflix. He scored that show, too.

@@AmyL._orcgirl cool, I didn't know he was involved in that, it's on my to-watch list. Thanks!

I'm not sure what exactly to make of it, but I don't think it's a coincidence that head Gaius has a stereotypical Lucifer like appearance.

That adds nothing. The scene will never make sense.

​@@jasond1500I think they really are just angels, in the sense that they're extensions of whatever power was guiding humanity. Could be God with a big white beard, could be a previous iteration of Cylons that transcended the physical realm millions of years ago. Could be a super-advanced alien civilization that seeded the galaxy, billions of years ago. I read somewhere that the head characters had rough counterparts in the original series; super-powerful beings who intercede at key moments. It has a taste of that Mormon mythology that Larson was into, but it's possible that's similar to what Moore envisioned for the head characters in this series.

Actually I think the scene works better as edited. In the final version, after Gauis says "You know it doesn't like that name", we get the straight cut to Six giving him a hard look. Then we get the "Silly me... silly, silly me" line which plays as a response to her exasperation. The exchange neatly conveys that the greater power they serve is in fact non-divine, but Six as a true believer is determined to view the entity as God regardless of any evidence to the contrary, and Gaius understands that no facts he presents will change her mind.

​@@chand911 I believe that scene not only makes perfect sense as edited, but is essential to understanding the series. That snippet of dialogue contains the biggest reveal in the finale: that the entity intervening in human affairs isn't God in a religious sense, even though Six refuses to let that fact compromise her faith that "it" is a divine being worthy of being worshipped.