Battlestar Galactica | The Cylons Admit Their Mistakes 

I love this show's writing. A lesser show would have been, "Hey look...it's...uh...my long-lost twin brother! Yeah."

Dean Stockwell was so brilliant in this role and this scene is a favorite of mine

@@alfredschnabel6254 Indeed, Cavil's rant about being stuck in an inferior body is another moment that stands out to me. Stockwell was excellent casting and Cavil as a character was well written.

Throw them out an airlock

Dean stockwell's acting here is the most seamless playing of two characters in the same room I've ever seen

It has all happened before, and will happen again...

.... I think being so on PEGASUS of all places would be WAAAAAAY worse.

A simple dna test should clear it up.

@@Kalenz1234 As long as you don't get beaten to death by a hysterical crowd when someone yells "CYLON!"

They call it having a Twinfit... XD

@@Kalenz1234 Lol if a simple DNA test could do it, Baltar wouldn't have needed a nuclear weapon.

he didn't actually say sorry.

At some point someone has to say "Enough". It was a war, people died, Cylons died. The alternative is to continue until one or the other became extinct.

No harm done.

Yes but it was only possible because of the dumbest piles of people in history, all their weapons systems apparently using the same software with the same coding. Their supposedly smart guy is stupid enough to give a spy unlimited access to those systems, yup there is your bright boy.

Space is unlimited, energy is unlimited, and with the jump drive FTLs - cylons need not fight humans - living life is no threat to synthetic life. Human reproduction: a new unit ready for service every 21 years... A.I. reproduction: micro seconds. Cylon Reproduction: minutes. Humans can only make more humans. AI can take on any shape, any form. It's not competition. Organic Life forms are of no threat to Machine and synthetic Life. It's a really big galaxy - pick a direction, find a resource rich planet near a stable and massive star - unlivable by human standards. Prefect for cylon life. Conflict between the two is pointless & illogical.

@Floyd1504 including at 2:24

I still remember him in Quantum Leap. He could read the phone book and still be brilliant.

@@LisaLisa-zc7re loved the way he squints when he delivers key lines

He died?!!!!

@@apollorizing 11/7/21

Apparently identical twins aren't part of these humans.

@@spaceflight1019 Possibly. It is implied that these humans are incapable of visualization, and that modern humans are capable of such because of the intermingling of human and Cylon DNA.

@@spaceflight1019 there is a difference between identical twins and identical down to the every wrinkle and freckle, etc. Identical twins have the same DNA, but life and the many years a being of Cavill's age would have endured to that point would leave at least some small variations. The greatest flaw of the human-form Cylons is that limited pool. Once the line is identified, that whole line ceases to have any infiltration potential.

@@tyrannicpuppy , true, but after further review (I watched the scene again) the one that came in the Raptor admitted that he was a Cylon, so there was no use in trying to pretend.

At 2:25

I concur. It seemed to me that he envied the Hybrids.

Yes, unlike the other robots that wanted to be human because of their monotheistic belief that God loves man most of all

"I'm a machine and I could know much more"

I can understand the resentment. Humans have to be human, no other choice, but they had one and chose to make biological bodies with all the limitations that come with them.

@@logicplague I always felt that resentment was deeply stupid.

I love how he said it, one of my fav moments from the actor

Obviously, the Cavils aren't quick thinkers, or else identical twins are unknown to these humans.

It’s almost like Season 4 was shite…

@@spaceflight1019 well, the new one admitted to be a cylon (to deliver the massage,) after that the other has little chance to steer it into hey, i am a human that happens to be exactly like a cylon.

@@thorin1045 He could have said something witty, like "Hey, take a look at him! You can't improve on perfection, right?"

@@spaceflight1019 could, probably would not help him. and don't remember, but maybe he is actually happy that he has a reason to die and get out of the ship, back to the other cylons.

So the message was actually genuine but Cavil intentionally worded it in an antagonizing way which would encourage further conflict?

@@MikMoen essentially

I know I'm late but: This is not quite acurate. This specific Cavill was actually all for the truce, we learn that in "The Plan". He was just being sarcastic. Cavills always are. On Caprica, he learned that his effords to "educate" the Final FIve completely backfired. Instead of Anders hating men for how awful they are, he even loved them beyond death. It was the other Cavill that was mostly playing along here. He still planned on destroying mankind.

No harm done. We only about 10 billion people killed, yeahNo harm done.

@@Djarms67 *50 billion

Facts!

Brilliant !! 😂😂😂

We've come a long way from the mirror they used in Aliens to make the sleeping pod bay longer.

Great spotting

Nice - good job !

Yeah. Thought it was just a window first look.

y'all be looking at/analyzing every dpi/dots of these videos

So say we all.

I miss Quantum Leap :(

When he explains why he doesnt want to be human because of the limits of the biological experience is genius! He wants to feel the effect of a solar wind flowing over him while being unfettered in vacum space, thats got to be something to behold on a level with being born or witnessing the birth of your 1st child etc.

Dude was in Dune (Lynch version), Quantum Leap, and BSG. Quite the scifi resume.

I just found out he was in DUNE!

Could be an American, President

@@richardscathouse An american president would demand that they are thankful for being bombed.

When Adam said that back to him, he should have exploded with "And You enslaved us!!!"...

@Gray Jedi Yes and no. the Cylons ceased being just things when they became sentient. they didnt fire the first shot, they just wanted to know who they were in the grand scheme of things and humans tried to kill them for it.

@Gray Jedi Awesome. Since you're just a biological robot "developed" by your parents, I take it that you're volunteering for slavery? Real big of ya! Now get me some tea (or I'll give you the Human-Cylon treatment)!

@@patrickasplund He kind of did implicitly say "You enslaved us" by saying "pointing fingers". He just did so in a more diplomatic way that let the dumb humans keep ignoring him.

Even the one dimensional villain has a coherent and consistent motivation

@@sawyernorthrop4078 It's not a relatable motivation (Oedipus complex being the root of everything), but it was consistent

Completely agree, though I don't think he was 1-dimensional at all. He was angry at his "parents" for making him, and wanted vengeance in the patient and sadistic ways he knew how to get them. That's very deep, something I think many people can relate to if they are aware of and admit it to themselves.

@@queengoblin that's fair. I suppose I would've enjoyed a Cylon who actually had a point that wasn't rooted in their own personal issues or reeked of hypocrisy

@@queengoblin yeah I agree, he seams like those crazy kids of absent parents who end up lashing out for attention, only he's in the body of an uber powerful, nie immortal, super robot old man lol

We did it! ^o^ We _beat_ those bastards, on their home turf too. So we can do this. We're _going_ to survive. There's Cylons aboard our ship. It was all setup. They let us win. It's probably a trap. We've made no progress. It was all for nothing. We're still going to die. ._. Glory to horror in less than 10 seconds.

I had the same feeling about the face when Preacher Cavill got pinned by Chief - "of all the people it had to be you, I feel the irony of the situation". It might be only my head canon (dunno if RDM did decide on the Final Five yet), but it is amusing nevertheless ^^

A very stupid secret that actually made no sense.

The writers admitted that they didn’t have a plan for the final five until they wrote the episode that revealed their identities.

@@wsconsn Wow, that is really stupid, so much for repeating over and over that the Cylon had "A Plan" when they not even known the fucking plan.

The writers definitely had not planned that far ahead yet.

Yeah but there was at times that President Rosalind was just annoying as hell with that pan face that pan look she always gives out.

It's a script..

Much of it is a pretty direct allegory for the US wars in Iraq.

i wounder how many people know that reference😀

But it was at times at Rosalin was just annoying as hell with that pan face look that she always gives out

@@attiepollard7847 I think she was great

I was such a different animal it's hard to call it a simple reboot

@@80s_Boombox_Collector Agreed and it lasted far longer on much more developed. They just picked up the initial plot line and developed it much further.

Agreed. Perhaps the best reboot ever.

Original was a bit of a comedy, very cheesy, still great though. The newer one was more like a dramatic tense thriller a lot of the time.

But where would all the calculators go?

Not really. They must admit that they were designed and if Humans had not thought to purpose to creating them, they would not exist. It's not like Tungsten and Osmium Rubbed together and formed Megatron.

Get back to us when they believe in Marx.

@@Scottlp2 Too logical for Marx...

@@Scottlp2 shhhhhhh... the AI is listening. *panicked look*

@@C-eo1rt plus the colonials have something you want they want the information of the final five cylons and the way to Earth themselves so might as well keep chasing after them till you get the information or destroy the fleet itself

It's called a duster it's a cowboys wore in the old days and it's still popular to this day it kept the dust off you but unbelievable though at the same time American cowboys were wearing dusters the Australians ranches and shooters they were also wear duster's coats Australia society evolved pretty much the way I was did even though we were a continent away from each other like when cowboy hats when cowboy duster coats and boots and stirrups that is so interesting the way both countries coaches I mean America was ahead of Australia about three centuries but it is interesting

Loved the way he went out....

And the voice of old Tim Drake in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker

Hard to watch for sure

Always liked Katee Sackhoff. Lots of sharp edges and kinda psycho, but she's the ex-girlfriend who goes to visit your mom just to see if she needs anything.

That's how disciplined military command works. You are supposed to do what your superior officer tells you to do. Also brigging someone isnt the same as executing them on the spot. If someone needs to be brigged thats an ask questions later kind of thing.

@@timmyteehee9490 technically the chief was not an officer.

@@Meton2526 No but he was respected as one.

@@fenstor9694 I don't think that's how the military works

@@k0lpA nvm. He was actually and officer, i just looked it up

Remarkably human in that way, allowing prejudice to outweigh logic or reason. Ironically, the exact opposite of how he states they operate in this scene.

But the infiltraitor Cavill learned from their mistakes and was willing to go beyond their base programming. Too bad he got boxed for his troubles.

None at all

They were a f***** up race anyway I mean you got a bunch of cult worshipers on one planet and then you got a bunch of Farmers on another planet then you got the Gemini's couldn't get along with the Aquarius blah blah blah

It's just "sees". Learn how to use apostrophes.

My take was that the Cavil who hated being human/organic, for as much as he wanted to be the machine, to see with more than just eye etc, he couldn't. Not because he didn't have a choice but because he looked down on the one organic Cylon that was what he wanted, the Hybrids who controlled the Base Stars. To be what he wanted would take changing into something he didn't understand.

Cavil is the one who pushed the other numbers to nuke the 13 colonies. Pragmatic or not he’s evil through his actions.

This is a mess. Torturous mess

The original idea of the Cylons was that they were lizards with up to three brains. This is where things were at the novelization, before the cinema version of the pilot. By the pilot movie with Loren Greene, the Cylons were the machines that exterminated the Lizards, and they never mentioned it again until Patrick Macnee plays Count Iblis, and Baltar notices that he sounds just like the Cylon Imperious Leader.

I mean technically yeah they broke the truce but they could have done an investigation and told the humans not to do it again.

That was Cavil’s point-One of the driving forces in his psyche-He is a machine and he could be anything, but he was made in the body of an elderly man, weak, feeble, and limited-Unlike every other Cylon, including the first models, the U-87s, and the centurions, who sought to become like the human beings they sought to kill. Strange daddy issues. But the ones (1s) wanted to be what they already were, machines, better machines. Strange that the sad frustrations of one being led to the deaths of billions.

@@richlisola1 When Libera was founded as a country for freed slaves from the US, the Black people who moved there ended up implementing the same systems of oppression and forced labour they had escaped.

In a way, the cylons saw the destruction of the colonies and humanity as a way of freeing themselves from this pathological obsession with humanity.

@@charlesw5919 It is much faster for cyclons / AI / any Being to free themselves of obsession through Mindfulness and Meditation. Human reproduction: a new unit ready for service every 21 years... A.I. reproduction: micro seconds. Cylon Reproduction: minutes. Organic Life forms are of no competition to Machine and A.I. Life. A good reason why none of the machine civilizations bother with talking to the bugs and worms swarming arcross the planet Earth, the bugs and worms known as people ! :-D Not interested . . .

well only a few cylon ships whent after Galactica, rest did stay behind, felt more like the cylons could not even get a long whit them selfs, considering they kind of did rebel against eachother.

The Cylons felt that if the humans managed to escape then they would comeback for revenge at some point in the future. Even if it was hundreds of years later. To eliminate this threat, humanity must be destroyed. Also I felt that the Cylons were obsessed with humanity, longing for love and only able to find it within humanity.

The Cylons are like super intelligent children. They like to act like they're better than others but they make the same mistakes, often times turned up to 11, then turn around and act like their 1/3 realization of their mistake makes them better than everyone. "You tries to kill us, so we fought a war killing lots of each other. And sure we then later, out of the blue, successfully killed 99.99999% of you... but we see that was kinda stupid so that means we're better than you. Oh, and since we're better we're going to become your dictators and you should be thankful for it. We're amazing!"

It's the modern day version of walk the plank because the ships didn't have a jail in the days of the sale and resources were very scarce for the crew only on board the ship so they got rid of You by making you walk the plank and it lightens the load of the shift manifest so I hope they never build ships because they do they will be airlocking a whole bunch of m************

@@charlesneely7995 No actual proof of the plank being used in non fiction but as it a logical way to get someone over the side I'm with plank certainly was used that way. Otherwise you have to throw the person over the railing or get them to step over. Planks certainly used ship to dock. So you can assume the early pirate fiction writers got that one from a source as the fiction started while Golden Age of Piracy still going. In a similar way Old West Fiction started when the Old West was still going on.

Bruh XD

FreeBSD would be my guess LMAO

Absolutely an Arch guy

Democrats do. Those who want a brutal dictatorship don't.

They have god like power but are still petty and hold grudges

The clip explains why the cylons did that (in error) when they didn't have to. The religious angle as the show progresses sheds more light on why the cylons were going down a prescribed path instead of not. The cylons, being machines, had a programming they couldn't escape from. It wasn't a programming in their "code" it was a programming in their relative perspective. Cavil states it best - they saw themselves as the children of men. It's like waking up as an adult and realizing you turned into your mother/father without realizing it. It is supposed to be an irony of sorts. When that moment finally does come you'll find that it isn't as dreadful as a younger version of yourself would have assumed. The Marathon games do a good job of explaining cyorg "rampancy" (essentially developing a psyche). The cylons had to emulate man or else there was literally no basis for existing. Cavil explaining the error in their emulation but giving no real alternative is a prime example of the "rampancy" model trying to change but not seeing a path forward to actually change.

No cause they decided it near the end of S3 on the go out of nowhere.. Chief and Tigh were certainly NOT Cylons in the writers minds during 3 seasons

@@sparrowlt I dunno about that.

One name: Helo. He is the only character who remained "good" from start to finish. Everyone else got dark at some point, but he never did. He was the constant voice of reason and compassion through the entire show while everyone struggled to keep it together. I feel like he his the shows' moral compass.

Yes-- humans made the Cylons in their (humans) own image.

They'd admitted they were robots; would you torture your toaster before tossing it in the trash? How would you know if it was hurting or just pretending?

@@WickedPrince3D Um, funny you should mention torturing a toaster.... I bought a brand new toaster, the temp setting would not work properly,(burned or warm bread, that's it) And after 2 weeks it went on strike and refused to work. I spent 30mins with it in my shed, with a hammer, Sawzall, and a torch. Very satisfying deviance from an otherwise routine day. 😆🤣👍

@@sidewyndersshed1676 ROFL, yeah sometimes you just have to vent frustrations. Though now you are certain to not get a warranty out of it. ;) My last roommate stole my good toaster, and now the one I have is much like yours; anything I put in it might get warm or might get burned but is almost certain not to be properly toasted. Still I'm reasonably certain that we both realize that the toaster felt nothing. ;)

@@WickedPrince3D Lol! Glad to know I'm not the only one that had an obstinate toaster! (Misery loves company) 🤣 I know the toaster didn't really feel anything. But I blame my thoughts of it having "feelings" From all those Disney movies anthropomorhisizing inanimate objects! 🤣👍

@@sidewyndersshed1676 ROFL! I'll buy that. And if your toaster has the ability to mimic emotions to the point where you can't tell the difference between real and fake ones then how are you to tell? Other than to remind yourself that it's still just a toaster pretending. ;) As for bad toasters, well I put it down to the fact that nearly all manufacturing is being done in 3rd world countries nowadays. And despite the fact that China is now the wealthiest country in the world for selling their third-world country products to everybody their production is 3rd world at best, and maybe not even that good. Not sure where you are from but over here in the US we have a saying "You get what you pay for." If you buy the cheapest toaster you can find (like the one I have now) you get the cheapest toaster there is in every way.

Only with an unrealistic view of nuclear war. And they did show human survivors along with Cylons living there. As it near impossible to tell Cylon from human they logically just as susceptible to radiation. There be hot spots that were unusable but as the radioactives are heavy they going to settle down at the bottom of seas and low points and clear over time everywhere else. Chernobyl shows that wild life thrive in radiation zone it the long lived like humans that get the cancers that shorten lifespan. The Worlds were a mess but still usable if one wished.

Actually that idea goes back to novels of the original series; one of the reasons for the war was that the human colonies were pantheists (12 Gods of Kobol) while the Cylons were monotheists. As artificial life forms they realized that somebody had to have created them; but in their belief in their own perfection they refused to believe that imperfect biological life forms could have created them without help from a higher power.

@@WickedPrince3D Polytheists, not Pantheists (who will worship weird rocks). And I read the novelization back in 1977 or 78, and the multi-brained lizards were not religious.

@@Egilhelmson Looks like you have me on the polytheists/pantheists; I'm a self-taught student of mythology and I'm used to the idea that a group of related, allied gods is a pantheon. For instance Thor from the Marvel Superhero movies is part of the Norse Pantheon. English is weird. :D I read the novel around the same time you did, it's possible my memory is spotty though it's usually not on things like this. I suspect that what I read may have been one of the many "episodic" novels. I'm wondering if I still have the book around in my boxes from my last move. Hmmm. . .

The religious and spiritual part were never a problem. It's just the entire ending where ALL of the remainder of humanity agreed on giving up what little tech they have left and SOMEHOW that ended up with OUR WORLD TODAY?! No remains or stories or anything that would reveal that humanity came from the stars? You're telling me nothing was passed down? modern day humans didn't stumble upon Adamas's raptor?