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Bay City Cat Engine Teardown | The Struggle is Real 

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On this episode, we dive into the Bay City Caterpillar D4600 engine as well as the D4600 from the No 12 grader. A lot of confusing point along the way with a different cause for the knock than expected! Thanks for watching!
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@jz1340
@jz1340 6 месяцев назад
"Old Betsy" was the nickname given to the hand-built prototype of Caterpillar's first diesel engine model, the D9900. Assembled on June 28, 1930, in San Leandro, Calif., she was given the serial number 1A14 and was used in tests for more than 16 months before the engine was deemed ready for production in late 1931.
@ScrappyIndustries
@ScrappyIndustries 6 месяцев назад
Awesome! I love that type of info
@jz1340
@jz1340 6 месяцев назад
@@ScrappyIndustries Living in the Peoria, IL area, I am aware of a lot of CAT's history. Thanks
@Spitter-ud8jd
@Spitter-ud8jd 6 месяцев назад
Your standing the engine up couldn't have gone any worse than your boy Mat's did.🍻
@Watchyn_Yarwood
@Watchyn_Yarwood 6 месяцев назад
He's picking up too many of Matt's bad habits......
@87mini
@87mini 6 месяцев назад
I've been a auto motorhead for 55 years, and now, with you, Matt, and Area Diesel Service's help and education, I am now starting to feel like a vintage diesel motorhead as well! It's nice to see guys who don't act like screaming swearing apes take problems like the normal things they are with a smile, even when disappointments happen. Thanks for the great content, and I'm eagerly awaiting the next installment on the Bay City shovel saga!
@legoMan104
@legoMan104 6 месяцев назад
Who knew how valuable that tyrex crane would end up being 😂
@ScrappyIndustries
@ScrappyIndustries 6 месяцев назад
I agree!! Didnt know I couldnt live without it
@haroldphipps3457
@haroldphipps3457 6 месяцев назад
​@@ScrappyIndustriesthe remote is a game changer/labor saver!
@Scottinqc
@Scottinqc 6 месяцев назад
check Squatch 253 for info on the pistons. When he did the engine for his 1938 D2, he went over the piston typeses. IIRC, that is OEM design, and yours are way too loose. That was the problem with the 2 piece pistons, the "ring" comes loose and you lunch the engine.
@Thomas-bv9mn
@Thomas-bv9mn 6 месяцев назад
It's kind of exciting when it happens. A cloud of aluminum bits came out the exhaust while the engine knocked. Bent rod, destroyed lifters but ran enough to get the tractor loaded.
@ivanferguson2509
@ivanferguson2509 6 месяцев назад
You beat me to the punch. That was a cat design, a poor one but cat none the less. I have seen one fail before, cascading catastrophic failure ensuing. Check out squatch channel, he has a lot of information on these old cat engines, might even be able to steer you in the direction of the newer updated design pistons to fix yours.
@ScrappyIndustries
@ScrappyIndustries 6 месяцев назад
Thanks i went and checked out a couple of his videos he definitely has a lot of knowledge on the old cats!
@matty2helpfull
@matty2helpfull 6 месяцев назад
​@ScrappyIndustries oh yea he has an insane amount of knowledge about old cats I love watching his content
@badasssamurai4954
@badasssamurai4954 6 месяцев назад
That 2 piece piston design is absolutely insane! I would have never in a million braincells thought that would be a factory concept!?!? Blowing my mind to think that actually worked 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
@toddcrosley8099
@toddcrosley8099 6 месяцев назад
That's why I like watching your channel because it's more complex and you try to fix things right, instead of other channels that hack something just to get a video out.
@ScrappyIndustries
@ScrappyIndustries 6 месяцев назад
Thank you i really appreciate it!
@wildscotsman1
@wildscotsman1 6 месяцев назад
@@ScrappyIndustries as an engineer with over 50 years experience, although for me it was big ship engines, I really enjoy watching you work on this kind of engine. It gives me faith in the younger generations. 👍
@lordcaptainvonthrust3rd
@lordcaptainvonthrust3rd 6 месяцев назад
Sam, I love you're attitude dude. Despite the setbacks you never stop smiling. You are an absolute legend 👍
@coryarcher1766
@coryarcher1766 6 месяцев назад
Squatch253 probably can provide most of your answers. He seems to be the king of Cats
@grabro3490
@grabro3490 6 месяцев назад
They were known as screw top pistons in the earlier Cat diesels and they came loose after a time. All you need to do is drill out the two dowels tighten the piston top and drill knew dowel holes and re-pin the piston top- job done
@skinnerjoseph3241
@skinnerjoseph3241 6 месяцев назад
The copper ring is a sleeve shim , needed to get proper sleeve height. Those sleeve pullers are great have used one for 15 years never failed me yet . Just a thought about that grader engine if it was military they sometimes have different specs for parts to aid in repairs , I know on the MM jeep ,NTX I think, they spec hydraulic lifter instead of solid like the tractors that shared the same engine. Yes running engines with a broken crank is real , had a 4440 JD come through the shop with its crank broken at a angle at the next to last main cap , still showed oil pressure but was down on power and he drove it about 12 miles to get it here , we were shocked to say the least.
@gullreefclub
@gullreefclub 6 месяцев назад
Interesting that they used copper shims to adjust cylinder liner protrusion. I wonder why Cat stopped doing that because cutting the block to adjust liner protrusion can be kind of a pain when doing an in-frame in my opinion. With regards to engines running with a broken crank I have seen that on 5 or 6 engines including on in an Alcohol Dragster that had just set a new track record. The only reason we found it was because when we were baring the engine over in the pits backwards while leaking the engine and replacing the valve springs the engine locked up tighter than a drum. In reality it was a fortunate thing because I seriously doubt it would have survived the next pass. I also have seen tops of pistons break off and the engine continued to run albeit it had a miss but it didn’t smoke or make any strange noises.
@notajp
@notajp 6 месяцев назад
My first “real” mechanic job was working for the local Allis-Chalmers dealership. We had a customer bring in a WD that needed an overhaul. I got the job of doing an in-frame on it. Got it done and running good and shipped it. A few weeks later the tractor was back in the shop making a horrible knocking noise coming from the bottom end. I felt terrible because I thought I could have messed up something. Turned out to be a broken crank. Our working theory was that the crank had a defect, and the increased power after the rebuild caused it to finally fail.
@skinnerjoseph3241
@skinnerjoseph3241 6 месяцев назад
@@gullreefclub I work on mostly John Deere equipment and with some of the rebuild kits now days the liners are not as thick on the top so I've used up to 35 thou shims on them , also I'm no stranger to mixing up parts to get things fixed.
@chrisbartrum3201
@chrisbartrum3201 6 месяцев назад
You could mount one of those rubber squeezy horns on the top of the jib to give you an audible when you're close to the roof.
@MattyMurtagh
@MattyMurtagh 6 месяцев назад
It is an art in itself talking to a camera and making it interesting. Keep up all the aspects of your channel
@Naplesfrank154
@Naplesfrank154 6 месяцев назад
Where you dented the ceiling in your shop, write the date on the dent. Could be a talking point after there’s about 50 dents up there. Haha I😂😂😂
@matopezuta2050
@matopezuta2050 6 месяцев назад
Those pistons are old OEM early 2 piece pistons. They were known to fail. Later pistons were one piece. Yeah, yours were bad ready to destroy your motor.
@4knanapapa
@4knanapapa 6 месяцев назад
Kudos to the perseverance on getting a engine for the shovel, makes for a educational and entertaining sat. morning
@willpilkington2679
@willpilkington2679 4 месяца назад
Love your attitude when you run into a problem and just figure our a way to fix it.
@kenc3288
@kenc3288 6 месяцев назад
Good to see a knowledgeable person not over speeding a drill, unlike so many yt dunces wondering why drills burn out.
@isaachobbs4206
@isaachobbs4206 6 месяцев назад
Squatch 253 has some videos early in his d2 restoration series that show those multi piece pistons, yours are failing, also those are Cat factory pistons
@laughton57
@laughton57 6 месяцев назад
Don't apologize for your video running out of time before you finish the work. This is a very interesting undertaking - more work is just more great entertainment for us subscribers!
@wls3118
@wls3118 6 месяцев назад
With this type of content you will be at 100k very soon! Great job!
@tinwisconsin7594
@tinwisconsin7594 6 месяцев назад
When we were making parts for military machines, they were kept separate from current Cat parts. Military specs were different. Example: we had gone to O rings but the military still wanted gaskets .
@garymax992
@garymax992 6 месяцев назад
Always amazed at how dang smart you are .After watching any of your posts I am glad I can tie my own shoes.
@paullangjahr4071
@paullangjahr4071 6 месяцев назад
Sometimes it seems that it's not about the educational experience, but rather the real world experience that You and Matt both have. The ability and willingness to try and troubleshoot, and then keep moving it forward. Always enjoy what you guys are doing.
@rintin1874
@rintin1874 6 месяцев назад
Brilliant video Sam watching from Edinburgh Scotland UK 🇬🇧 👏 👌
@stevesalvage1089
@stevesalvage1089 6 месяцев назад
Man that's interesting never the less , can't wait for next episode Sam,
@gradyyokeley9930
@gradyyokeley9930 5 месяцев назад
That copper ring sets your counter bore height
@lowrollins1076
@lowrollins1076 6 месяцев назад
Squatch253 might have some leads on parts, he’s always messing with those cat engines
@speedmachine69
@speedmachine69 6 месяцев назад
When you buy a crane and suddenly everything you do involves the use of the crane..... a timely purchase...... cheers from a guy in New Zealand leaning on a crane......
@thedelcodave
@thedelcodave 6 месяцев назад
The struggle is Real yet Sam is still Smiling. I have full confidence you will get this sorted.
@ryanworkman5229
@ryanworkman5229 6 месяцев назад
I'm only here because I saw you help your mate Matt pick up some other junk for his farm, figured you were way too interested in the same junk to not be interesting. I feel for you, just a quick engine swap, only a few minor differences. And bam, rebuilding the original engine using parts from the "good" "replacement" engine.
@markhardie7088
@markhardie7088 3 месяца назад
A little “ Simple Green” in a garden sprayer would help!
@luvtruckin
@luvtruckin 6 месяцев назад
I think Matt can sympathize with the forklift method of standing an engine up. I would have done the roof dent too no way around it. No apology necessary it’s all good.
@Ihbinder14
@Ihbinder14 6 месяцев назад
That crane is worth it’s weight in gold
@terryrogers1025
@terryrogers1025 6 месяцев назад
Interesting, I like the fact you were able to figure out what you can do to get one good engine out of two engines. Your knowledge of diesel engines is impressive to me and interesting to listen to. Looking forward to seeing the reassembling of the engine and getting it back into the Bay City. Thanks for the video, I appreciate the time and effort you put into the videos.
@andrewriggs2764
@andrewriggs2764 4 месяца назад
That shovel is beautiful
@ralphhoney5334
@ralphhoney5334 6 месяцев назад
Just thinking the same! That lil' crane is becoming a very important item in your shop.
@sjohnson1776
@sjohnson1776 6 месяцев назад
So much more interesting when things don't go to plan. I love this suff!
@poowg2657
@poowg2657 6 месяцев назад
After watching this video a few words come to mind: Recalcitrant, cantankerous, stubborn....... Liked this one much!
@jeffwilliams3642
@jeffwilliams3642 6 месяцев назад
Will also be interesting to see if the adjustment on the oil pickup will bring up the oil pressure.
@junkyardsearcher6407
@junkyardsearcher6407 6 месяцев назад
Haha, we make jobs seem simple when we vision it… then the equipment laughs in our face and and says “jokes on you “… Well, I’ll be looking forward to the next show. Thanks Sam
@Thomas-bv9mn
@Thomas-bv9mn 6 месяцев назад
Caterpiller made those two piece pistons. I had one come apart. Amazing you didn't have the same thing happen.
@Easterndmondbk
@Easterndmondbk 6 месяцев назад
Just in case... Mic your crank, rod journal, measure the rods for length and journal diameter. Check the crank throw and piston length. You don't the piston skirt to hit the crank or top to hit the valve. You MAY end up swapping rods. I saw the wrist pins had clips. While it's apart and you're cleaning that way you can assemble with confidence.
@robertpeters9438
@robertpeters9438 5 месяцев назад
Well, at least those loose piston tops would keep the lower piston cooler. Great job!
@harryrubright6795
@harryrubright6795 6 месяцев назад
Love the never quit attitude. Wish I had a rc crane!
@jbird845
@jbird845 6 месяцев назад
It's easy for me to say. But I'm glad you ran into so many problems, lol. I love when you rip into things and rebuild. Love all the glory in the old steel.
@mischef18
@mischef18 6 месяцев назад
It still made for great viewing bro, the crane is working out well too. Safe travels. Ken.
@richardsharp6875
@richardsharp6875 6 месяцев назад
What a can of vipers you opened! I have no doubt that you will get it back together and running again. Made for a first class video and thanks for that.
@KlausAlleinzuhaus1
@KlausAlleinzuhaus1 6 месяцев назад
i love how you are always at the exact sweet spot between: "I have no f in Clue what i am doing" and "intresting this was designed in 1930 to..."
@ted9693
@ted9693 6 месяцев назад
This is an excellent. Channel. I love watching your videos and learn so much
@bdmorganseventyfive
@bdmorganseventyfive 6 месяцев назад
As you were standing the engine up, I was recalling Matt standing the Cummings up.
@LarryO777
@LarryO777 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for another great show! It was great. That T-Rex has proven to be one of the best pieces of equipment you have.
@davel2223
@davel2223 6 месяцев назад
Sam, the T . erex has become one of if not the best investment you've made in a while, looks like you used it for every thing. Great buy
@taurota1554
@taurota1554 6 месяцев назад
Awesome and outstanding.Thanks for sharing and taking us along.
@billmoran3812
@billmoran3812 6 месяцев назад
The joys of antique obsolete engines. I know how that goes.
@twister563
@twister563 Месяц назад
you would make an excellent diesel mechanic school teacher
@alanfenwick9307
@alanfenwick9307 6 месяцев назад
Outstanding effort Sam, really appreciate your commentary. The "T-Rex" is certainly proving to be a valuable addition.👍
@Watchyn_Yarwood
@Watchyn_Yarwood 6 месяцев назад
Your Terex crane is earning it's keep
@astridsactionrc545
@astridsactionrc545 6 месяцев назад
A guy I went to college is a direct descendant of Rudolf Diesel.
@KennethDuBord-bc2wo
@KennethDuBord-bc2wo 6 месяцев назад
The 4600 was a good engine. Cat wasn’t in the diesel business very long when they introduced it. I respect the effort you are making to build a good one out of what you have there. Great video.
@robertpeters9438
@robertpeters9438 5 месяцев назад
Love the crane remote!
@merlepatterson
@merlepatterson 6 месяцев назад
I bought one of those chineseium propane instant water heaters and connected it to my pressure washer and it works fairly well, but I'd bet if I had bought two and hooked them in parallel with 'T' fittings on the water inlet and outlet, it would have been as close to a $3k steam genni as one could get for less than a 1/4 of the price. 23:38 I'm surprised there was no gasketed access cover on the oil pan for that relief knob, or was there one that I couldn't see on the video? OK, I went back and looked closer and there was a cover.
@jcurtis4082
@jcurtis4082 6 месяцев назад
When you tip it up on its tail throw that 6 x 6 I see in the background under the flywheel housing to catch it when it drops over center. Then you can lift it back up with out all of the flopping around drama. And ditto on the protrusion comment above. Pay attention to it. The value should be in your specifications. Best of luck with the swaps...they can be a pain.
@eddiereichel9354
@eddiereichel9354 6 месяцев назад
On rod bearings the wear is going to be on the rod half vs the cap half of the bearing. Being the rod pushes down on the crankshaft the bottom half of ros bearing won't show any wear
@ScrappyIndustries
@ScrappyIndustries 6 месяцев назад
I agree 100% guess I didn’t really show top bearing on camera. I checked up and down play with the crank at 90 where I felt most wear would be. They’re pretty fresh
@richardmead9225
@richardmead9225 6 месяцев назад
See if Tilly's antique Crawler parts has head gaskets.
@billarcher
@billarcher 6 месяцев назад
I remember watching an episode of Squatch253 who was rebuilding a D2 tractor and he mentioned that some had that type of piston which was prone to failure and was superseded.
@dangerrangerlstc
@dangerrangerlstc 6 месяцев назад
Sam, pay attention to your liner protrusion when you reassemble. That head gasket seals on the top of the liner. If that protrusion is out of spec, youll have future head gasket issues. I dont know what the actual spec is unfortunately
@jeffheins6624
@jeffheins6624 6 месяцев назад
Sharing is caring when it comes to specialized tools
@michaelm6624
@michaelm6624 6 месяцев назад
I'm on the "Struggle Bus" with you! It does show the ingenuity and skill of these "old school" mechanics. Good video!!
@richardthomas1743
@richardthomas1743 6 месяцев назад
HEY! Good morning Sam and thumbs UP!!
@southern207hobbies
@southern207hobbies 6 месяцев назад
Finally a break in radio silence!!!
@v65dreamer
@v65dreamer 5 месяцев назад
REALLY enjoying the whole "Two Engines To Make One" thing.
@ScrappyIndustries
@ScrappyIndustries 5 месяцев назад
Thanks! We’re getting there. We assembled the short block this past weekend
@tomford5149
@tomford5149 6 месяцев назад
I'm not a diesel or heavy equipment guy, but I enjoy your content and learning more about old equipment from you and Matt. I've owned a 1975 Bobcat 610 for over 35 years, so I appreciate the struggles of availability and price of parts.
@jeffo881
@jeffo881 6 месяцев назад
that little crane is paying it's way already.
@888johnmac
@888johnmac 6 месяцев назад
oh yeah .... always appreciate someone else on the struggle bus , but i'm sure Sam will work something out
@Keirdennis
@Keirdennis 6 месяцев назад
Hey Sam, if I remember from Squatch253 channel early on how n his 5J1113 build he mentioned the early pistons were the 2 piece with the steel insert and they had the same failing point as your pistons there. The later ones were a one piece.
@frankharrod4464
@frankharrod4464 6 месяцев назад
The engine should have more torque with the big bore kit in it!, look out hoist rope!
@allensharlow7763
@allensharlow7763 6 месяцев назад
I always feel Comfortable with you being included in any big equipment repairs, you for a young man, have a lot of knowledge in this kind of work, you are very smart when it comes to this kind of work👍👍😎😎🍮🍮😎😎
@williammccartney4833
@williammccartney4833 6 месяцев назад
So you just performed exploratory surgery you are now a heart surgeon thanks again!.
@flick22601
@flick22601 6 месяцев назад
Looks like he is going to do a transplant next.
@rayperoni4142
@rayperoni4142 6 месяцев назад
Super interesting !
@earlearl8850
@earlearl8850 6 месяцев назад
I enjoy your show. You remind me back in the day. I drop diesel creek long ago for your show ! Glad I did and never looked back...
@edwardswiderski4137
@edwardswiderski4137 6 месяцев назад
Love you and your videos buddy you know what they say misery loves company
@williewombat1851
@williewombat1851 6 месяцев назад
Great Video Sam, sorry about the roof mate, ahh well, shit happens. Those sleeve pullers are worth their weight in gold, a great time and effort saver! You said Matt lent them to you? they must have been on special on eBay if Matt bought them. 😄 verry much looking forward to the next installment on this rebuild.
@HistoricMachines
@HistoricMachines 6 месяцев назад
Another great video. Always learn something new watching them. Hope to have the Bay City back at Brownsville for the May show.
@heavymachinery2843
@heavymachinery2843 6 месяцев назад
Very nice Video love that old cat stuff nice toolbox you got 👍👍
@remiewatkins8032
@remiewatkins8032 6 месяцев назад
Awesome job love your work
@henkweurding3339
@henkweurding3339 6 месяцев назад
Nice video, like the way you are using that Terex! Good luck on your restoration, and preserving American industrial heritage. A good cause.
@davideyres1628
@davideyres1628 6 месяцев назад
Might not have gone to plan Sam but certainly interesting From the UK
@pauldillinger2286
@pauldillinger2286 5 месяцев назад
You always have very interesting videos that i really like to watch. Thanks for sharing what you do bud.
@ScrappyIndustries
@ScrappyIndustries 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching!
@seanote1906
@seanote1906 6 месяцев назад
The CAT engine/tractor that LAOL is working on is smaller but very similar on the front cover components.
@goose278
@goose278 6 месяцев назад
Putting that Terex to work!
@colestowing8695
@colestowing8695 6 месяцев назад
You're starting to convince me i need to find a terex now. Btw,, you mention broken cranks. I bought a one-ton wrecker years ago with a bad knock (chevy gas engine). I drove the thing home...when i pulled the motor to replace it I was shocked to see the crank was broken in half about midway- right at a rod throw. The way it was broken it couldn't "spin" past itself but it made one hell of a noise😂
@frosteone1670
@frosteone1670 6 месяцев назад
Quite interesting comparing the 2 engines, "on the fly" modifications were quite popular in that era. Remote control crane made tipping the engines on their rear much smoother and easier than a forklift did for Matt.
@GHOOGLEMALE
@GHOOGLEMALE 6 месяцев назад
Wow - clever clever clever - I'd have run a mile met with all those issues - well done for your perseverance Mr Scrappy
@daviddoyle3246
@daviddoyle3246 Месяц назад
Man I love those tractors,they have great body lines and just look good going down the hiway,keep up the good videos,I found out about your channel by watching letdig18,I watch his channel all the time now I've got 2 channels to watch
@German_Johann
@German_Johann 6 месяцев назад
Awesome Saturday Video 😊👍
@CliffManis
@CliffManis 6 месяцев назад
thanks and I will be watching some of your videos.. be safe 2.19.24
@jasonlefley2117
@jasonlefley2117 6 месяцев назад
Great video Sam. Shows issues most folk will run into when working with old equipment. I'd like to see if the oil pressure increases now you found that bypass adjuster on the bay city engine
@michaelmiller7208
@michaelmiller7208 6 месяцев назад
Good video Scrappy! Bring Matt in to help! Matt needs to help! 😅.Thanks
@gradyyokeley9930
@gradyyokeley9930 5 месяцев назад
Sam Clevite use to have everything you need to rebuild those old graders
@hinz1
@hinz1 6 месяцев назад
Awesome how that crane hydraulics are so non leaky, that you can hang an engine from it and it doesn't sag down for hours!
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