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BBH Big Boo's Balcony 0xA Idea for Potential 1h Strat 

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I show an idea for a potential 1 hour strat for collecting Big Boo's Balcony 0xA. However, I can't find a way to make it work due to Mario always sliding off the roof. Note that I used hacks to place the scuttlebugs into their starting positions.
The original strat for this was 13 hours ( • BBH Big Boo's Balcony 0xA ), which involved moving the scuttlebugs into the bookshelf room. Later, I showed an improvement that did this in 3 hours ( • BBH Big Boo's Balcony ... ), which involved bouncing on the scuttlebugs as they fell down in order to get onto the roof using a misalignment. The main suboptimal aspect of that strat is that raising the scuttlebugs involves travelling through some doors in the mansion, making it slow. If we could instead raise the scuttlebugs solely within the foyer, then it's much faster (about 1 hour). However, this means that the scuttlebugs must be nearer to the front door of the mansion, and so not close to the misalignment. Without the misalignment though, we can't land on the roof... unless we use a star dance clip.
By using a star dance clip, we can ascend a tiny bit higher, allowing Mario to get onto the roof of the mansion. However, part of doing a star dance is Mario facing directly towards the camera, causing Mario to face downhill and do a butt slide as soon as the star dance is done. However, butt sliding isn't good here, because it results in Mario sliding off with no ability to do anything else. On the other hand, if we were able to face uphill and do a stomach slide when the star dance ended, then we'd have access to diving once Mario slid off the roof, which usually lets us grind on the edge and ultimately frame walk up. I've looked into various ways to get around this, but none of them have worked:
(1) I tried turning the camera so that Mario faces uphill on the roof. However, the camera is blocked by the mansion's wall, and so I wasn't able to get the camera to be north of Mario when he faces it.
(2) I tried locking the camera in place. However, the camera doesn't remain locked during the star-appearing cutscene.
(3) I tried butt sliding into the platform that Big Boo is on. While Mario can bonk once on this and remain on the roof during the bonk, he then slides off right afterwards.
(4) I tried having Big Boo come over and knock into Mario to change his angle. However, there doesn't appear to be enough time for Big Boo to come all the way over.

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@Biosquid239
@Biosquid239 Год назад
I always love that improvements are not always about saving A presses but also optimizing the route
@CrashCubeZeroOne
@CrashCubeZeroOne Год назад
Who knows, optimizing might even lead to new saves.
@EighteenCharacters
@EighteenCharacters Год назад
Mario64 taught Nintendo about Mario Odyssey. There is no-Planned-route. Throw stacks of coins over there. They'll never reach it. Aaaand youtuber42069 has reached it using an insane cap jump.
@lostpockets2227
@lostpockets2227 Год назад
@@EighteenCharacters oya
@poudink5791
@poudink5791 Год назад
True. We need at least ten comments saying exactly this on every time save video pannen uploads, or we might just forget.
@Biosquid239
@Biosquid239 Год назад
@@poudink5791 my man is really reading every single comment on every video just so he can complain about it...
@lior_haddad
@lior_haddad Год назад
**reaches the roof** "It's all downhill from here"
@benwiarda23
@benwiarda23 Год назад
Well usually the time between a new idea and a successful implementation is somewhere between 12 hours and 4 days. Looking forward to the next notification 😀 super cool looking strat 😎
@jamsstats1700
@jamsstats1700 Год назад
I’ve seen ideas that took years to implement, like the bully battery for Elevator tour 0x
@Ceo_Linux
@Ceo_Linux Год назад
@@jamsstats1700 I guess that took long more because they had to program a script to brute-force permutations of precise movement to make it work, also bonus points for the effort to make it console verifiable(???)
@alexnaglich
@alexnaglich Год назад
3 days later *Dawn of the Final Day*
@TheGael95
@TheGael95 Год назад
This didn't age well
@sylvercritter
@sylvercritter Год назад
This really didn't age well.
@Gardivanyth
@Gardivanyth Год назад
Even if this ends up being a dead end, the route _looks_ awesome!
@A_Person2
@A_Person2 Год назад
this strat looks like it has some potential
@dragonmanover9000
@dragonmanover9000 Год назад
Nice. I like the idea of shortening the run as much as possible
@prismaticat
@prismaticat Год назад
#speedrunning
@aking_3898
@aking_3898 Год назад
I can already feel that he will upload a video tomorrow on how he actually does it
@anomalocarislover7254
@anomalocarislover7254 Год назад
Is it just me, or has there been a lot of progress in the past few months. I don’t follow the abc challenge too well so I might be out of the loop.
@cjetson
@cjetson Год назад
Not just you- there have been major improvements in what seems like a short amount of time, especially since it had been years since the last A-press save. But of course, there are people hard at work improving the run all the time, even when it looks like there isn't any progress being made. I can't wait to see what else they're working on!
@anomalocarislover7254
@anomalocarislover7254 Год назад
@@cjetson I know, there are so many players in the abc challenge, I couldn’t possibly follow them all.
@MudakTheMultiplier
@MudakTheMultiplier Год назад
I think part of it was bismuth's series on it causing a bunch of new faces to try their hands at it.
@lostpockets2227
@lostpockets2227 Год назад
i play maplestory
@ScorelessPine
@ScorelessPine Год назад
Occasionally it feels like what happens is that stuff is being discovered and implemented, but they wait to post them for a while and then a lot of stuff comes out around the same time, or in the case of Bismuth's video series, stuff was held off on being revealed for dramatic effect.
@chinesemassproduction
@chinesemassproduction Год назад
we'll be rooting for you every step of the way
@GigaOtomia
@GigaOtomia Год назад
It's finally here! The scuttlebug jamboree!
@CodenameWaffles
@CodenameWaffles Год назад
This is some Absolute Mad Lad Routing and I AM HERE FOR IT.
@basketcase4605
@basketcase4605 Год назад
This will be utilized in 5 minutes or 3 years so let's wait and see
@Pet297-alt
@Pet297-alt Год назад
The point (1) in the description makes me wonder how much has camera movement been explored. There is the BCA glitch and camera focus was discussed a bit in "Seeing the unseen". But how much more is there to it...
@thewierdragonbaby4843
@thewierdragonbaby4843 Год назад
@Firstname Lastname BCA has also been used in BitS for a faster pole skip
@WilfredCthulu
@WilfredCthulu Год назад
Legit really cool. I love this game lol.
@genderender
@genderender Год назад
It looks just in reach, would be a very convenient time save
@1LPMx1
@1LPMx1 Год назад
Have you tried receiving knockback from the final scuttlebug? Maybe than could change your angle or allow you to turn the camera in a way that works?
@SuperM789
@SuperM789 Год назад
You absolutely need the height of all 3 bounces, so that doesnt work
@1LPMx1
@1LPMx1 Год назад
I thought it might be possible to still bounce on it after receiving knockback.
@TheJayKayA
@TheJayKayA Год назад
@@SuperM789 like over here... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9gOJW3zB1oY.html
@locked_lunatic8623
@locked_lunatic8623 Год назад
But it wouldn't solve the initial problem regardless. The star dance clip would still turn Mario around to face the camera.
@TheJayKayA
@TheJayKayA Год назад
@@1LPMx1 but i believe, cam is the key problem here...roof is hardcoded and mario always turns towards cam on star collect...and as sliding down hill, jumpkicking up is the best strat for casual plays, it sadly uses a presses, so only upslope facing and frame walking is the ABC-solution :/
@eimazd
@eimazd Год назад
Mario's worst enemy... the camera
@maxrichards5925
@maxrichards5925 Год назад
Wow, that’s insane. Reminds me of watching from rolling rocks with 0.5x A presses. Also did you guys know you can crawl on top of the BBH mansion and not fall off? It’s not a very well known thing
@jacksoncoley7351
@jacksoncoley7351 Год назад
Looks promising :)
@xdeathcon
@xdeathcon Год назад
It really looks like there should be something that can be done. Surely there's an out of the box idea that will suffice. Then again, it also needs to be time saving.
@gradwhan
@gradwhan Год назад
oh god immediate click. love you pannen
@Orion7207
@Orion7207 Год назад
Incredible
@frijolitoazul4343
@frijolitoazul4343 Год назад
Gotta ask god to hand over those scuttlebugs
@kirjian
@kirjian Год назад
Right? The heavens themselves started shooting scuttlebugs at mario
@SamuraiHageshiiTayo
@SamuraiHageshiiTayo Год назад
The scuttlebug is the source of my power!
@landrypierce9942
@landrypierce9942 Год назад
It happened!
@MajoradeMayhem
@MajoradeMayhem Год назад
Dude, I can't even collect this star with the A button.
@AB-uj2vb
@AB-uj2vb Год назад
Tomorrow: "I found a way to make it work"
@bobbarksofficial4335
@bobbarksofficial4335 Год назад
Nice
@KhriszB
@KhriszB Год назад
wooOoow GJ Pannen Lessgó!
@fusion67
@fusion67 Год назад
that’s insane
@SailorLoonie
@SailorLoonie Год назад
Ah yes, the raining scuttlebug strat.
@ghexists
@ghexists Год назад
Holy shit. what a strat
@alecrutz6979
@alecrutz6979 Год назад
aside from saving A presses, we really do need to find faster ways of doing some of these stars, maybe one day the run will be doable in under a day what's the longest star right now?
@rewandemontay
@rewandemontay Год назад
Lethal Lava Land: Elevator Tour In The Volcano, which takes 26 hours.
@kelPrins
@kelPrins Год назад
@@rewandemontay watch for rolling rocks was also like 40 hours of speed building iirc
@findecks
@findecks Год назад
@@kelPrins they found a faster strat that takes 5 hours instead of 14 hours (still really long though)
@rewandemontay
@rewandemontay Год назад
@@kelPrins Wrong. It stands a 5 and 1/2 hours now. Still the second longest, though.
@findecks
@findecks Год назад
@@rewandemontay lmao we said the same thing like 30 seconds apart
@docopoper
@docopoper Год назад
To the left of where you landed the slope of the roof changes direction by 45 degrees. But just inside the corner the roof is at 90 degrees to the mansion wall. Maybe there's a way to land on that roof section while aiming slightly up the slope.
@iquemedia
@iquemedia Год назад
love to be saving time
@TiaSp
@TiaSp Год назад
wow!!!
@HE13272326
@HE13272326 Год назад
Seeing this makes me imagine a movie scenario: Scuttlebugs: Mario, kick us to reach the roof! Mario (who can't jump because of a broken leg/A-Button): Thanks! I will never forget your brave deeds!
@TimSzabo
@TimSzabo Год назад
he can run but not jump. Strange injury for sure 😛
@pigeondriver45
@pigeondriver45 Год назад
jamboree
@sumerhays
@sumerhays Год назад
Scuttlebugs are the answer
@TheExarion
@TheExarion Год назад
I was about to ask whether a boo can be manipulated & used to incur knockback onto the roof, and that was a sad moment where I suddenly realized that boos only move laterally.
@sinteleon
@sinteleon Год назад
But... could we clone a Boo at the appropriate height?
@TheExarion
@TheExarion Год назад
@@sinteleon unfortunately not, I'm pretty sure :( Is there anything in the level they could clone with? I don't think the crazy box provides much in that regard, not to mention it's used in this strat.
@drakath5727
@drakath5727 Год назад
Nowhere near an expert on the ins and outs of SM64, but an idea that comes to mind would be to somehow to gain enough height off of just TWO of the scuttlebugs, the box, and something else in order to use the third scuttlebug to hit Mario, changing his angle and facing him in the right direction. That, or have the unknown thing bonk Mario instead of the scuttlebug.
@SunsetBear
@SunsetBear Год назад
Could you position a scuttlebug such that you bounce on it after the star dance clip rather than before?
@absentcoder4552
@absentcoder4552 Год назад
If that’s as high as you can go, I’m kinda imagining somehow orienting Mario into a C-Up Slide state, perhaps by using the tower to the side of him when he lands on the roof. Can that be done? Or is every roof triangle slippery?
@stocchinet
@stocchinet Год назад
Once again the Jamboree gets denied
@the_churroz2003
@the_churroz2003 Год назад
it could work if the scuttlebugs were not that close to the door
@SuperStingray
@SuperStingray Год назад
The scuttlebug jamboree IS possible!
@fsfreturns5242
@fsfreturns5242 Год назад
I wonder if Mario Camera could help here
@whomdunit2457
@whomdunit2457 Год назад
I hope that at some point we'll get another summary of these tricks cuz I got no idea what's going on
@pokefabri
@pokefabri Год назад
Pannen didn't show the process on the video, but, he is like, you know how the Scatterbugs (those round orange spiders) jump to attack? well, he enters a door when they jump, and then, while they are on the air, he enters the same door again to make them jump on the air again, and he repeats that multiple times to makes them float high and then fall to use as platforms/bounce on them. I skipped a lot of technical stuff but hope my explanation helps a lil ^^
@jellomochas
@jellomochas Год назад
@@pokefabri those are Scuttlebugs. Scatterbug is a Pokémon.
@whamer100
@whamer100 Год назад
holy shit i hope this works
@CometMedalChavez
@CometMedalChavez Год назад
ITS RAINING SCUTTLEBUGS FROM OUT OF THE SKY SCUTTLEBUGS NO NEED TO ASK WHY
@IronicHavoc
@IronicHavoc Год назад
I appreciate that this looks fuckin sick
@kiefac
@kiefac Год назад
Is there any way to make this work by moving the scuttlebugs even further away from the door, so you can move the camera around the left edge of the house
@peters6890
@peters6890 Год назад
inb4 the solution video is posted tomorrow. xD
@wollywog42
@wollywog42 Год назад
Would it be possible to use more Scuttlebugs to allow you to stall in the air for long enough for Big Boo to reach you? Or maybe you could position it to where a Scuttlebug lands on the roof? Either of these could allow you to change Mario’s direction through knockback if they work
@BrettMKW
@BrettMKW Год назад
Unfortunately no, there's only 3 scuttle bugs in the course and you can't clone a scuttle bug with current knowledge. Even if you could, clones don't exactly behave the same.
@most42
@most42 Год назад
is there a possibility of using a cloned object to change his direction? I think you can clone in BBH using the crazy box, right?
@letcreate123
@letcreate123 Год назад
Only once, and then the crazy box is no longer present
@56Bagels
@56Bagels Год назад
Do you have to collect the star right when you spawn it? If you spawn the star and re-move the bugs in place you could lock the camera and grab the star again. It’ll take more time but still significantly less than 13h.
@LeislonJose
@LeislonJose Год назад
Sadly, these scuttlebugs (and the crazy box) don't respawn, unless you leave and re-enter the level. But even then, the 100 coin star will despawn as soon as you leave the level. That means you must bounce on all 3 scuttlebugs, spawn the star and grab it all in one go.
@MuzikBike
@MuzikBike Год назад
Oh joy...
@szabolcs7898
@szabolcs7898 Год назад
ayo
@KhriszB
@KhriszB Год назад
Ha így haladunk lassan csak 16 év lesz a speedrun. Kappa
@lopp3
@lopp3 Год назад
Does grabbing the crazy box put you outside of big boo's reset range? I believe you can move big boo around by walking around on the door platform, including moving him fully off the balcony, so maybe you could pre-position him?
@CubemasterXD
@CubemasterXD Год назад
what if we put a fire clone up there to then run up the roof?
@JadeiteMcSwag
@JadeiteMcSwag Год назад
wow this would be a killer time save if you shave off all those hours
@B0ssguy
@B0ssguy Год назад
jeez i thought another a press was already saved
@LarryBordo
@LarryBordo Год назад
Would a BLJ speed be preserved after grabbing the box, or does it zero out Mario's velocity at the end?
@elliemalmrose4764
@elliemalmrose4764 Год назад
a blj would require several A presses, so it wouldn't work for the abc challenge
@sadizz455
@sadizz455 Год назад
is there no way to manipulate normal boos to give extra bounce power?
@Ceilingcat9001
@Ceilingcat9001 Год назад
I believe
@uberterris7551
@uberterris7551 Год назад
geez pannen, the a button challenge is hard enough. you really wanna go doing it one handed?
@ultralowspekken
@ultralowspekken Год назад
Raise _4_ scuttlebugs
@Andsan233
@Andsan233 Год назад
Could you somehow clone a fire object on the roof ?
@underrated1524
@underrated1524 Год назад
The only way to clone anything in BBH is to use the crazy box, but if you do that you don't have the crazy box to bounce your way up there.
@jaffacalling53
@jaffacalling53 Год назад
Does this qualify as a scuttlebug jamboree?
@TrainerRedGuy
@TrainerRedGuy Год назад
👀👀👀
@sparker599
@sparker599 Год назад
Can a fourth scuttlebug hit mario and change his angle?
@findecks
@findecks Год назад
only 3 scuttlebugs iirc
@Kierio04
@Kierio04 Год назад
:O
@kjl3080
@kjl3080 Год назад
Hmmm
@Kirkklan
@Kirkklan Год назад
Hm... (considering the description) maybe you should try to figure out another angle.
@gigabyte6614
@gigabyte6614 Год назад
He says possible 1 hour strat, then eventually does it in 30 minutes wtf
@entitythegreat9106
@entitythegreat9106 Год назад
15 minutes and 30 comment’s??? What?!?! Also can’t wait till a day later an optimized tas is made.
@raydarable
@raydarable Год назад
This'll probably be solved in a week.
@gabrielstrong7322
@gabrielstrong7322 Год назад
maybe dumb question, but did you try frame walking?
@VMan776
@VMan776 Год назад
The desciption says he can't find a way to end the star dance facing up the slope, which is required to do frame walking.
@jacopodeldeo4308
@jacopodeldeo4308 Год назад
I don’t get why scuttlebug raising wouldn’t be possible mind to explain?
@theescargotconsumer
@theescargotconsumer Год назад
That's how the scuttlebugs get up to where they are in the first place.
@jacopodeldeo4308
@jacopodeldeo4308 Год назад
@@theescargotconsumer can you rephrase it with more words I still haven’t understood
@theescargotconsumer
@theescargotconsumer Год назад
@@jacopodeldeo4308 Mario raises the scuttlebugs for about an hour with this strategy, saving two hours by not having to enter and re enter the house repeatedly. However, this scuttlebug raising results in the scuttlebugs being in a position that leads to Mario being just short of landing on the roof, and requires a star dance clip to get the extra height (Don't worry about what star dance clips are if you don't know, just know that they provide extra height by collecting a star). The problem is that when Mario dances after collecting a star, he automatically faces the camera. This means that Mario will immediately slide off the roof, while with the previous strategy he would be facing away from the camera and would be able to climb up to the top of the roof. Hope this helps.
@Seamusoboyle
@Seamusoboyle Год назад
fix the camera and do it in a PU :) (Though I guess the scuttlebugs arn't there)
@thend4427
@thend4427 Год назад
Just hack more to make him not slide lol jk
@estevanuribe7295
@estevanuribe7295 Год назад
Maybe you can rotate the camera so mario looks towards the roof and not away from it?
@Qbe_Root
@Qbe_Root Год назад
Description says the wall gets in the way
@ZeroJanitor
@ZeroJanitor Год назад
doesn't work because the wall blocks the camera. locking the camera doesn't work either since the star cutscene overrides camera control.
@liamhansolo1464
@liamhansolo1464 Год назад
8 views 20 seconds ago
@aymen_zelda
@aymen_zelda Год назад
Dissapointing observations
@Hunbun999
@Hunbun999 Год назад
First
@mariomaker69420
@mariomaker69420 Год назад
i know this is completely off-topic but what if pannen gave himself hacks to have 420 stars for the sake of funnies
@TehEnglishSpartan
@TehEnglishSpartan Год назад
Nice
@fusion67
@fusion67 Год назад
yeah it’s only been 5 days
@dragonmanover9000
@dragonmanover9000 Год назад
Performing for you
@whamer100
@whamer100 Год назад
if you know the words, you can join in too
@assassin01620
@assassin01620 Год назад
Put your hands together, if you wanna clap
@Jerros_
@Jerros_ Год назад
As we take you through, this monkey rap!
@PsychorGames
@PsychorGames Год назад
jamboree
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