Beauty and the Beast the Enchanted Christmas: Musical Hell Review #65 

Yes, but they don't like to talk about it...

It's kinda sad to think about seeing as Forte's had a shittier existence than the Beast. I mean considering his age and the time this story takes place, he probably had to deal with anti-gay stuff from the mob-like peasant people and his crush doesn't appreciate how devoted he is to him (he was hardcore crushing on the Beast). And from what we see when he's a human he's not really bad, just foppish-looking with too much makeup. Could you really blame him for losing his sanity?

And if that is the case, is his human corpse disemboweled or in one piece?

Nicole Francis He is not dead, he's just going home.

Nightman221k I would feel sorry for Forte if this movie is BETTER written Forte would have been a great tragic villain.

Or worse, the chamber pot and or toilet.

@@KL-ki8dbfun fact a deleted scene in the remake features a servant who had the very inhumane fate of being turned into a toilet! a couple decades from when toilets would have been invented!

Yes right? She never feels any sadness for spending christmas without her father. MISSED OPORTUNITY.

I'm friends with several costuming/cosplay people who can wax eloquent about The Corset and Why it Didn't Solely Exist to Squish Women's Organs.

This! I've done an Eliza Schuyler cosplay at Broadwaycon this year and had a corset on for the 1700s look. It was tight at first, but (And this is just my view!) It wasn't so bad once you tightened it and had proper posture. That, or my high tolerance for pain.

@@MusicalHell It acted more as back and breast support, however, the rumor that they squashed women's organs was actually a vicious rumor created by men opposed to the feminist movement since many corsets were created by female entrepreneurs and the make women seem vain and irrational so they wouldn't be able to vote.

@@MusicalHell I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes the remake. There are some good ones, and admittedly some bad ones. I know people won't like Maleficent, probably due to definition reasons, but regardless of that, I find it interesting how the movie and it's sequel went into the direction of exploring fairy folklore. I also like how the Aladdin, Jungle Book, Lion King, and B&B remakes tackled changes that would've made sense. An adaptation is suppose to change something to the story that would fit into the mindset of the modern audience, without ruining the general idea of the story. We can appreciate what was done now, as long as don't forget what was done back then. I love the Illumination Grinch movie, but I love it as much as the Chuck Jones Grinch, because both adaptations kept the idea of the Whos being very neighborly and the Grinch being a hermit; both adaptations created after the original book by Dr. Seuss. Anyways, the point is, we shouldn't take adaptations for granted, and we should stop making ones that don't make sense. Speaking of things that don't make sense, I agree that Forte should've gone with the Violin playing Coat-rack.

@@MusicalHell 12:19 - 12:42: Played by a gratuitous unsubtle Jeff Bennett. I can tell it's him from his cartoonish screams of pain.

90% of this film's budget was used to animate TIM *CURRY'S **_LIPS!!!!_*

Or just getting him in this film.

So many takes on jellopocolpse.

@@ilikecurry2345 And his CGI still looks creepily good, even for 1997.

@@RB01.10 I know, the creepy CGI kinda plays in his favour making his character more defined

Korekiyo Seiko I almost posted a reply that gave the shippers ammo. Thankfully I came to my senses and scrapped that.

well that was implied on the ad for this flick

Korekiyo Seiko maybe I shouldn't tell you the feather duster has three names meaning she's probably three different maids. XD Fifi is the one in the movie, Babette is in the musical, and she's called Marie in the comics. And that's just the ones based on the one in the movie, the. You have Angelique. Then there's Plumette. Lumiere had many girls. Many, many girls. But only ones with French accents.

I guess you can say he’s a....🎶Womanizer Womanizer Womanizer Womanizer🎶

Plot twist: The three of them are in a polyamorous relationship.

This IS an obvious idea to fix this story, so I'll totally believe you if you say came up with this on your own. Out of curiosity, though, I have to ask, have you seen CodedLockFilms's review of this film? His idea was just so eerily similar. Of course, great minds think alike, and I think anyone who appreciates the original film could come up with a similar idea. It's the best route to take with the ideas in this movie.

That sounds like a much better story... why couldn’t we have gotten that movie?!?

That would be SO MUCH BETTER. I hate that both this and Belle's Magical World reset the Beast's character to when he first met Belle (and reminds me way too much of a former abuser of mine). A midquel about him trying but Belle still having reservations would've been really interesting.

@@oliveranderson928 dang dude lol

A lot of people think The Enchanted Christmas IS decent (heck, even PhantomStrider went from hating it to liking it), but without rose-coloured glasses on, let’s just say that while Walt Disney Animation Studios’ Beauty and the Beast is highly phenomenal, the sequels and remake on the other hand, are nowhere near the standards of quality.

You are the best human being in the world.

He’s just exploded into gore and viscera because he been smashed to pieces. No one goes down to the basement anymore because it’s that horrifying.

That sounds like the Haunted Mansion to me, specifically the 'ghost host' when he tells you that 'there is always my way'.

Yeah.

I so wish they went with it.

One problem everyone hates the human version of the best design. As a kid I hated that part of the movie because he looked ugly

My headcanon is that Adam can change back into the Beast at will. It helps him take down Heartless and Nobodies.

How would Belle react to suddenly being in the public eye?

*sigh* I remember that sin Disney Channel committed from PhantomStrider's list of most hated live-action Disney movies.

*reads first word* JANET

Forte is an underrated disney villain

And just when you thought Beast was the worst in the 2017 remake and Belle’s Magical World (which is as bad as either the sequel, remake or both (mainly the sequel because I guess you can say the sequels at least have the animation style of the original despite being watered-down, especially in BMW).)…

This is one of many reasons why I'm surprised that Diva didn't question Beast's nasty portrayal in this movie when she talked about Belle's "character derailment".

Ergotth That actually sounds like a pretty good idea for a rewrite.

Ergotth Ergotth All of the songs except “Cut Above the Rest” are really good. For example there are quite a few adult themes in “Don’t Fall in Love” and Forté is doing his best to convince Beast all the bad things that could happen if he fell in love. In the song “Stories” it is about Belle finding a way to connect to Beast and that is emphasized in the first line “When I get to know him we’ll find more things to say”. Then later on with the best line “We will slay the dragons that follow him around. And he’ll smile yes he’ll smile as his dreams leave the ground”. That is talking about how Belle is going to help him face his demons and lack for a better phase “slay them”. Then he will smile as he knows she is with him to show his dreams of hope are possible as they lift off the ground and become real. It’s channels like this that make me mad for them not actually looking into the deeper meaning of film and song themes.

Oooo that's a creepy ending. Imagine the choking wheezes as the door is slammed and chained shut. I love it! Forte was a disturbing looking character, he deserves a suitably disturbing ending.

Don't feel bad. It's kind of an annoying nitpick here too. I mean, I still like the idea of him bringing the whole room down on himself and thus being the final blow against him, but they could have done more with it. I mean, couldn't they have at least shown his pipes snapping? Like a limb tearing off.

Ergotth fucking hell, and I thought I was sick in the head.

because Disney doesn't understand the concept of "not everyone gets a girl or guy in the end"

Wallace Phillips Because these stories don't lend themselves to sequel material-as a Diva already affirmed in her 'Love Never Dies' review. Sadly, these execs keep trying to milk franchises for what they're worth anyway. (But in Hunchback 2's case, it's more baffling since the first movie was not Disney's most lucrative, and was by far their more controversial. The concept of a sequel to that was pretty much doomed from the start, especially after the overall response to the result of 'Pocahontas 2'.)

Wallace Phillips it's never ugly girl gets the handsome guy

Movie rules: no ugly girls are allowed among the mains, unless it's for comic relief purposes. You have to be Hollywood Homely at the absolute least.

joyunicycle Bell's magical world is UNCANON TOO!!!

joyunicycle wait theres another one

Gracekim1 sorry to say, but yes Belle's magical world exists

Might as well rename that movie Bitch and the Bastard since everyone is an asshole in this movie

@@crimsondynamo615 or we should rename it as "Belle's derp face"

Deep. :)

lightbeamrider LOLZ!

Midsummer Night's Dream reference?

You fell asleep on your butt and dreamed the whole thing!

*While napping in the grand, great hall Gotta have 10 syllables in each line if you want it to be iambic pentameter :) nice reference tho.

@Inacio's Second Channel even if he can't save it, he's still enjoyable to watch

That man can work with even the worst material as pointed out by our presenter. He’s the only part I remember from this due to his coolness.

Your comment compliments another comment I just read suggesting that it would've been more interesting if Forte was also immobilised in human form, so it wouldn't make a difference for him if he was turned back.

It explains in the movie he believed his musical talents went heavily unnoticed or just criticized, there’s a scene when he’s a human and Beast calls a composition he wrote for him terrible. As a gigantic CGI pipe organ, he apparently has much more influence and praise from his master because his gloomy music apparently is the perfect way of helping him relax and unwind. Yeah the motive is a bit clunky and dumb, but it’s interesting to see the perspective of someone who prefers his enchanted form over desperately wanting to be a human again. That’s actually a small problem I have with the original is that the main reason why the main castle staff are so kind and hospitable to Belle is mainly to get her to warm up to the idea of falling in love with their master to break the spell. There’s literally a part where Cogsworth is shocked Beast lets Belle go and Ms. Potts and Lumiere get so sad about the spell not being broken instead of really missing Belle or being worried about her and why she can’t stay. It kinda doesn’t help a lot of fans think the Beast is much more handsome and attractive as the beast instead of his human form, kinda missing the point

Not saying that he should have been an overweight character or maybe a disabled character, but it would have made sense.

I always found the opening set up so stupid and pointless like why would anyone not know that an evil pipe organ with an unrequited obsession with the master tried to kill Belle!

Those numbers check out.

Musical Hell yep

•Chickens8 • Amazing, those are the exact same stats that Food Fight got.

elizabethashley42 EGAD MAN YOU’RE RIGHT

Poor Tim must have back issues, carrying all these terrible movies.

DeepEye1994 Phelan is the funniest guy on RU-vid

Now I will forever see it lol

Or... Belle fell in the water and got all wet. She's completely useless now! DEEEEEEEE!

Honestly surprised he isn’t covering this movie

@@crimsondynamo615 Yeah, I really wish he would

He's the only reason I rewatch this catastrophe Also, "They can't fall in love... if they're DEAD"

One thing about this movie that I find to be underrated (even though I have the same good things to say about this piece of Musical Sequel Hell except for Disney butchering Belle’s voice though nowhere near the extent of Quasimodo in The Hunchback of Notre Dame II, notably when he sang Ordinary Miracle) would have to be the end credits song (depending on whether one likes pop songs from the 1990s or not).

I like that idea a lot-- it really opens up the possibility of reworking this film such that it actually becomes good

Theatre Geek And so was Pee-wee Herman...

T G And Tim Curry!

Eeeee😅

Belle's creepy crosseyed eyes though

As far as I know, that one isn't a musical, so it's not eligible for this channel.

Ritz um what’s the difference?

Gracekim1 watch and find out

Netanya is her last name Dangerfield?

Interesting... could Yiddish axe be the father and the search for the perfect christmas tree was really just a father and son bonding moment? Also on the Mrs. Potts fantasizing part, I have a theory she made up the last scene where they celebrate christmas because how would they fixed the castle on the same day as the celebration? The scene even has a blurry vignette around it giving the "this is not real" effect

Me too. I was like, "Othello!" and then I was like, "Wait, what? ....Oh, I was right!"

That makes three, then.

Yay for the lit geeks!

I got the joke as it was being told =]

My BA is in English Lit, and I honest to God don't recall reading Othello even once...(I do appreciate the comparison of Belle to Elizabeth Bennet rather than the victim of Stockholm Syndrome smug people just repeating each other's criticisms frame her as, though. :D).

No, because he died in the form of an organ, not a human.

@@Kahran042 doesnt mean his magically altered remains didnt turn back.

Honestly, I don't think there was any way the live action movie was going to do the enchanted objects as without being a little creepy. I think the writers realized it too, which is why Belle and Maurice's initial reactions aren't so much "Oh, how marvelous and strange!" as "AAAAAAAAAAAAGGH WHAT THE FUCK GET IT AWAY FROM ME."

Musical Hell Ewan MacGregor’s Lumiere and McKellan’s Cogsworth deserve a special mention here.

As do I. Frankly I just skip the scenes that don't have him in it. This movie is bad but Tim Curry at least makes it watchable.

@@tylermoviepro It's a one star movie and Tim Curry is the only reason it even gets that one star.

It’s a guilty pleasure for me. I’d prefer this over the abomination that is the Star Wars Holiday Special anyday. This at least has Tim Curry in it killing it as the villain as he always does. It’s a decent time waster for me as well.

I'm Negan No, do it. That shit needs roasting.

Timetofloat Yeah I want to see her roast it on Valentine's Day. The only three people I know that have torn that film a new one are: The Nostalgia Chick, The Nostalgia Critic himself, & MrEnter.

ultraofrahfan1 I believe you mean "In March"

Ah god.

Why wouldn't Diva review it?

I'm just hoping she'll be doing the review soon. I know its probably happening

But KidSnivy96, Diva DID review both predecessors of Descendants 3 (yeah, another Descendants film will turn out a thing... Yay... 😡).

janeyrevanescence12 For me, no. I saw the original first and thought "Wow, this is a really unhealthy relationship to promote. Nice animation though."

While the Disney version did it's best to improve the source material, you just can't get away from the fact that the entire story was made up in order to get young girls to accept the idea of an arranged marriage to an older man, which was common among the nobility hundreds of years ago, but has no place in a modern society. Another big issue is that in every version of the story, it's always the beast that forces the heroine to stay in the castle. They aren't an odd couple that get accidentally stuck together because they both need each other, the beauty only stays in the castle because the beast held her father hostage.

Stockholm Syndrom is basically something people say to feel smart, because during the late 2000's sites that 'ruin your childhood' became a thing. Meanwhile Quasimodo from Hunchback of Notre Dame and Rapunzel from Tangled are better examples, as they're told to never disobey and never question and are psycologically tortured by their capturers for doing so.

Igorowan While Quasimodo and Rapunzel do display more clear signs of Stockholm syndrome, both Frollo and Gothel are shown to be villains and by the end the hero stands up against them and breaks free of their bonds. People will always claim Beauty and the Beast features Stockholm syndrom, because even if Belle does speak up against him in the Disney version, you can't ignore the fact that: A. The beast forces Belle to stay in the castle with him, and she's isolated from her friends and family. B. In the end, Belle falls in love with the beast and marries him despite he initially imprisoned her.

Gertrud Bondesson 1) Belle is the one who made the deal with the Beast in the first place and the only thing keeping her there is her promise...which she's not afraid to break when he scares her in the West Wing and only gives him another chance after he saves her life and is only nice to him when he stops being a jerk to her. Stockholm Syndrome is similar to abuse in that fear keeps the victim in place and rewards come when the victim stops resisting. 2) It's implied by the delivery of her line "Thank you for understanding how much he needs me" (a callback to the line in her big I Want song "And for once it might be grand to have someone understand I want so much more than they've got planned") that she started falling in love with him after he releases her with no strings attached to go help Maurice. She probably wouldn't have gone back to the castle for some time had Gaston not decided to kill the Beast and even then it's because she realizes that she put the Beast in danger in the first place. In Stockholm Syndrome, she wouldn't have left the Beast in the first place or even blamed her father for not getting her out.

Pennywise.

EYTPS DOYOUHAVEYOURFRIENDPRINCEALBERTINACAN

The Thing That Would Not Go Away WAHA WAHA WAHA

WA-HA! WA-HA! WA-HA!

Andrew Ollmann in the original, it wasn’t that every piece of dinnerware was a real person, but the magic making the actual objects move because having magical plates dance was fun.

Pink Wings I’m explicitly talking about The Enchanted Christmas. But still, Maurice drinks from Chip in the original movie...so my point still kind of stands.

And the Beauty and the Beast characters show up in Kingdom Hearts!

No they didn't

@@ChelseatheCreativeFox-pc2xz - Yes, they do I can even tell you exactly where they use it. It's in the scene where Mrs Potts is putting the cups to bed, right before Belle comes down cause she's hungry.

They shouldn't have let Emma Watson have too much of a say, period.

Indeed. I couldn't see Belle, because Watson was playing a carbon copy of herself.

I’d say that was the least problematic part of that movie.

Emma Watson really dragged the rest of the cast down

*blows raspberry at haters*

As Always Agreed

Hell, I'll take "Barbie in the Nutcracker"(even though it's not a musical) over "Enchanted Christmas"!

Honest Iago.

True, he does have a blink-and-you-miss it appearance in the opening, but (as you point out) he never speaks and there's never any indication that he's connected with Belle in any way. If you came into this movie without seeing the first one you could easily be forgiven for assuming he's the Yiddish axe, or something.

The reason why was because Rex Everhart, the actor who voiced Maurice, died just before recording for this sorry sequel started.

I wonder why Maurice was nowhere in sight at the end. Because of his voice actor's demise, or because he simply walked out in disgust at hearing how his son-in-law treated his daughter in this story.

@@trinitymplayers No, he died in 2000, three years after this film came out.

@@gageperuti5519orry it was just something I read. In that case, it was a shame then Maurice never got to say anything. For one thing, I would have liked to have seen how his relationship with human Mrs. Potts was developing.

Eh...he was a jerk anyway. ;)

@@PhoenixRising87 Hehe, nice.

@@Flowerbarrel I haven't actually seen that movie in years, but we watched it all the time when I was little. Some lines will always stick with me. :3

Dunes8 No really. The whole story took place in winter!

You obviously have no idea how midquels work, then. The question with midquels isn't "Will they...?", but "HOW will they...?"